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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,616 --> 00:00:14,683\n這個我們請金管會彭主委那等一下我講到TISA的時候再請這個財政部的李政務次長在一起上來請彭主委跟李次長我們待會到王鴻威委員執行完畢的時候我們休息10分鐘謝謝\n\n2\n00:00:17,031 --> 00:00:33,959\n主委我先請教一下日本的前首相岸田文雄在2023年12月的時候他提出了一個資產運用立國實現的計畫他希望透過日本巨額的個人金融資產投資於成長的企業並將投資收益回報個人的循環模式\n\n3\n00:00:37,680 --> 00:01:04,846\n實現成長跟分配的良性循環日本的投資他們希望說儲蓄太多了希望拿來投資還有設立了這個四個金融特區有東京然後呢雜晃然後福岡大阪那各有各的特色比如說東京當然就是這個國際金融中心然後這個北海道的雜晃呢它就是這個再生能源供給的這個基地\n\n4\n00:01:05,182 --> 00:01:05,482\n李坤\n\n5\n00:01:36,004 --> 00:01:50,412\n他那時候我講一個重點他是希望說這個經濟規章制度整合公司的資源提供多元產品服務吸引國際的資產管理業者來臺營運讓臺灣成為亞洲資產的投資資產管理的中心吸引外資來到臺灣營運\n\n6\n00:02:00,177 --> 00:02:18,811\n讓臺灣成為亞洲的投資資產管理中心這是賴總統的雄心壯志但是我看到目前金款會的做法把亞洲資產管理中心縮水了變成只有臺灣的資產管理中心\n\n7\n00:02:20,217 --> 00:02:38,849\n說水了本來是說外資要來臺灣那希望說這個引進外資然後讓臺灣的這個經濟啊產業啊更蓬勃的發展但是我看到目前主委的做法金管的做法好像就只有在管理臺灣人的財富管理臺灣人的錢\n\n8\n00:02:40,010 --> 00:02:42,693\n提供一些簡便的一些行政措施然後形成一個專業的聚落然後呢管理這個臺灣的這個有錢人的財富\n\n9\n00:03:00,714 --> 00:03:25,887\n是這樣子嗎跟委員報告這只是我們其中計畫的一部分剛剛委員提到我剛剛在做那個專案報告提到我們這是個要盤點我們優勢務實的來做這是個長遠的計畫沒有縮水我們只是從我們現在可以開始做了各位可能委員看到就我們現在做的好像是很小的但是實際上這樣一步一腳印的往前走我們也不吹牛不說我做很多不是啊好啦你意思是說你務實就對了\n\n10\n00:03:28,889 --> 00:03:50,093\n剛剛有提到就是說我們第二個計畫就是要吸引國外資產管理我們已經跟這些世界上這些大的資產管理公司我們都全面的在接觸中我們也提供非常非常多的誠意還有一些誘因跟他們在討論有沒有可能先講你的第一步短期的做法在高雄設立一個實驗專區產業的聚落同樣的我也要問\n\n11\n00:03:56,308 --> 00:04:25,357\n那為什麼我不在臺北我不在新北那我要特別去飛去高雄是這樣一主要是因為高雄他那邊有一個自由貿易港區的一個設置再來就是高雄市政府跟過去有幾家金融機構在這個地方已經談了大概有兩三年的時間那這個跟你的這個資產管理中心有什麼樣的關係那這個很重要比如說韋恩你想想看臺灣有很多的這些高資產的人他要到新加坡去理財\n\n12\n00:04:26,414 --> 00:04:46,292\n我知道你也跟我經過那我的問題在於說我為什麼要去高雄不留在新北我新北也可以這樣做阿可以可以這沒問題我剛剛講為什麼選高雄只是一個起點因為高雄市政府在過去這些準備比較多比如它的場地還有它一些的所謂的行政優惠措施已經非常具體了你講的那些東西齁場地、行政優惠措施\n\n13\n00:04:47,192 --> 00:05:06,360\n對於這些有錢人對於這些具有資產的人來講我覺得根本不是誘因啊這個委員您就誤會了就是比如說我們剛才講我誤會了對凡事都有個起點我們希望像比如說我們也看到很多的所謂的資產管理中心它是一個很多人都聚落所慢慢形成的一個區塊所以我剛才都有聽啦但是我是覺得說\n\n14\n00:05:09,813 --> 00:05:31,243\n這個總統的政見是要打造成這個亞洲資產管理中心你現在變成在管理臺灣的這個財富而已那只是其中一部分那你講的你說這個要找這個外資誠意是不夠的大家都有誠意啊就是說你為什麼他們要來臺灣不去新加坡香港可能現在不去了啦那為什麼要來臺灣這個這一點其實啊如果說\n\n15\n00:05:35,874 --> 00:05:44,511\n就是說你如果沒有一些相關的法律的修改那你跟過去的這個過去也提出很多口號喔\n\n16\n00:05:46,121 --> 00:06:07,564\n我在當學生時代就都全部聽過了喔是這也是我們被質疑最多的地方我剛才講說其實很多的時空環境不一樣了像比如我們在接觸的這些比如說已經在台灣設置資產管理中心的這些國外的資產管理公司在台灣其實很多但是他們最近也高度的關注要不要把更多的作業中心更多的後台搬到台灣來\n\n17\n00:06:08,365 --> 00:06:09,666\n對,所以說我的意思是說,我們現在剛才講,如果各位有仔細,我們現階段,對,我說\n\n18\n00:06:28,998 --> 00:06:48,853\n當然謝謝委員就是說我說我9月10號的時候我公布是金管會所做的那接下來我們現在也很密集的在跟各部會協調整個國家其他部會的內容是什麼那我們會在第二階段再跟大家宣布說我們整體國家的政策是什麼那我們會對外就是說第一個啦我希望這個是總統的政見所以我們會努力來達成\n\n19\n00:06:50,174 --> 00:07:13,628\n但是我是目前看到的短期的他只是在管理臺灣的有錢人的資產而且他不一定要去高雄啊你如果說講金融中心的話可能雙北還是金融中心啊我們整個臺灣就是一個虛擬的整個的中心只是我們希望像日本一樣每個地方政府如果他們有打出四個特色出來喔我剛才有點出來啊但是呢\n\n20\n00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:32,880\n在你的這個計畫裡面其實沒有其實高雄灣區那邊它是真的有它很多其他我們城市沒有我們也希望說其他的我們的城市願意我們一起來討論一起來努力你的報告我有看你的專訪我也有看我是認為真的還要再更具體一點\n\n21\n00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:57,723\n那你當然說你很務實但是我就是覺得說你的目標實在是太小了就是集中在這個臺灣的資產的管理這部分我們這是第一步啦那你的下一步是何時啊我們先比如說剛才提到我們跟很多人談過在規劃的時候我們想說連臺灣人自己都不願意把這個錢留在臺灣交給臺灣的團隊來管理你怎麼吸引國外人過來\n\n22\n00:07:58,424 --> 00:08:16,499\n所以我們希望趕快快速的聚集國內的資產沒有任何的這些誘因法條的一些改變的話那還是很難我再請教一下日本的有個人儲蓄賬戶叫NISA從2014年就開始了他們針對一般民眾、孩童或是\n\n23\n00:08:22,738 --> 00:08:44,302\n這個7年有這個NISA日本版的個人儲蓄帳戶鼓勵民眾進行投資不是只有儲蓄,儲蓄轉投資希望在5年內呢達到這個NISA的開戶數還有投資金額雙倍的設定目標那也間接的呢這個讓這個日經指數也上漲了那好處至少有兩個第一個呢就是\n\n24\n00:08:44,977 --> 00:09:08,556\n鼓勵民眾及早做退休金的準備保障老年人的經濟安全那第二個我剛提到了引導資金投入資本市場支持實體經濟的持續成長日本版的那臺版的TISA我也聽主委也講過很多次了但是我看了一下臺版的TISA又不太一樣了臺版的TISA它變成是李專這個一本萬利的帳戶\n\n25\n00:09:10,869 --> 00:09:33,689\n就是說他只是跟這個所有投資人講因為站在你旁邊的財政部有意見所以你就跟投資者講好啦那我就跟你講呢有哪一些這個政策的優惠啊租稅的優惠啊手續費的優惠啊那你可以放到這個帳戶裡面來然後幫你做一個統一的管理鼓勵你來參與那裡面要放什麼東西呢都由你自己來決定\n\n26\n00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:50,450\n就等於是一個禮專你去跟這個高端的客戶講來來來我跟你講齁你這個東西齁放哪裡這個東西放哪裡齁有什麼租稅的減免這都是目前有的阿我只是幫你規劃而已阿對這個對不對所以你的TISA是不是變成這樣子\n\n27\n00:09:51,431 --> 00:10:17,867\n委員我們做很多事情要有一定的步驟又來了當然不是我說如果說我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話我覺得這個什麼事情都很困難就沒辦法做因為你旁邊財政部不同意有意見財政部基於他的專業他有他自己的考量比如說不知道我們是一個團隊嗎對所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作我們先用這個方式來做其實待會也可以請財務部說明一下這個其實是很有吸引力的\n\n28\n00:10:18,847 --> 00:10:33,335\n有吸引力的我有什麼吸引力來我問一下給各位一點時間我問一下主委你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣應該這樣剛剛委員提到其他國家他有個特色他們就是他們的資本我講臺灣你想怎麼做TISA你想怎麼做\n\n29\n00:10:35,336 --> 00:10:58,685\n其他國家不管是英國或是比如說這個這個比如在日本他們是因為他們的資本利得是課稅所以他很容易的做個提查就是說你今天如果說投資這個一定額度的話你這邊因為股票投資獲利我可以給你免稅臺灣在過去在資本利的就是沒有課稅所以我們要想的就沒辦法用用他那套東西所以大家很多說奇怪為什麼別人來做我們因為我們的制度就不一樣\n\n30\n00:10:59,505 --> 00:11:19,692\n我們想要做的就是說我們怎麼樣做出臺版的這樣一個TESA我們不能完全抄人家稅制是不同的所以我意思是說我們怎麼樣鼓勵鼓勵我們的所以臺版TESA是跟我剛才講的這個有沒有什麼差別嗎所以剛才我也提到那個禮專那個概念我從來都沒有提過是禮專的部分但是那個基本的內容是差不多啊\n\n31\n00:11:20,712 --> 00:11:35,941\n其實喔有什麼不一樣第一個我覺得這次呢比如說業者就讓利他說第一個對啊你是叫業者啊手續費優惠啊對不對這是第一步再來就是說我們我們透過我們比如說吉寶可以幫各位建建這樣一個管理的專戶\n\n32\n00:11:36,781 --> 00:12:02,458\n那再來就是其實我們現在投資長期投資現在我們長期投資股票可能很多人不知道其實就有一些稅務的優惠很多人不知道這個稅務優惠本來就有的阿對不對但是很多人不知道那就是李專跟你講就是說你投資在這邊齁你放在這個資產放在這邊可以有什麼優惠我們一般人不知道李專知道阿其實我覺得這部分我進來進去是變成這樣子而已阿這也是要推廣到來不要占用時間了齁是謝謝這個齁\n\n33\n00:12:05,404 --> 00:12:20,219\n按照媒體來講其實監管會是想做但是財政部有意見不同調最後在行政院長卓榮泰的緩解之下兩大部會持續溝通我是希望說因為今天部長沒有來我是希望說持續來溝通是\n\n34\n00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:35,690\n如果希望說第一個他能夠引導這個儲蓄變成投資就來做要有誘因你相關稅制就要做修改這是第二個那第二個就是說就是說像日本的他們還有做這個老人退休的一些經濟的一些規劃\n\n35\n00:12:36,951 --> 00:13:01,249\n這個未來我們也是可以做但是我看到目前至少你的版本東扣西扣然後這個財政部有意見然後你就回到這個最基本的我剛才講理專那個是我是認為說內容是差不多啦你只是跟大家講說現在有哪些優惠你可能不知道我不知道因為我不是理財專家那我跟你講有哪些的優惠就這樣子而已啊跟現在有什麼不一樣勒\n\n36\n00:13:02,149 --> 00:13:19,939\n確實我覺得資產管理教育是很重要的我想我們先建立一個制度未來我剛才也提到說我們一定要有實際的績效以後我們才能夠跟比如說要求這個比如說其他稅賦的這些因為我覺得這個社會要考慮到非常非常這個你就是在財政部財政部面前你就投降了\n\n37\n00:13:20,539 --> 00:13:21,800\n李坤委員講的跟我的想法一樣財政部要看到這個\n\n38\n00:13:43,683 --> 00:13:51,148\n你講得很好你講得很好亞洲資產中心這個財政部這是賴總統的政見啦要一起努力啦\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n616\t14683\t這個我們請金管會彭主委那等一下我講到TISA的時候再請這個財政部的李政務次長在一起上來請彭主委跟李次長我們待會到王鴻威委員執行完畢的時候我們休息10分鐘謝謝\n17031\t33959\t主委我先請教一下日本的前首相岸田文雄在2023年12月的時候他提出了一個資產運用立國實現的計畫他希望透過日本巨額的個人金融資產投資於成長的企業並將投資收益回報個人的循環模式\n37680\t64846\t實現成長跟分配的良性循環日本的投資他們希望說儲蓄太多了希望拿來投資還有設立了這個四個金融特區有東京然後呢雜晃然後福岡大阪那各有各的特色比如說東京當然就是這個國際金融中心然後這個北海道的雜晃呢它就是這個再生能源供給的這個基地\n65182\t65482\t李坤\n96004\t110412\t他那時候我講一個重點他是希望說這個經濟規章制度整合公司的資源提供多元產品服務吸引國際的資產管理業者來臺營運讓臺灣成為亞洲資產的投資資產管理的中心吸引外資來到臺灣營運\n120177\t138811\t讓臺灣成為亞洲的投資資產管理中心這是賴總統的雄心壯志但是我看到目前金款會的做法把亞洲資產管理中心縮水了變成只有臺灣的資產管理中心\n140217\t158849\t說水了本來是說外資要來臺灣那希望說這個引進外資然後讓臺灣的這個經濟啊產業啊更蓬勃的發展但是我看到目前主委的做法金管的做法好像就只有在管理臺灣人的財富管理臺灣人的錢\n160010\t162693\t提供一些簡便的一些行政措施然後形成一個專業的聚落然後呢管理這個臺灣的這個有錢人的財富\n180714\t205887\t是這樣子嗎跟委員報告這只是我們其中計畫的一部分剛剛委員提到我剛剛在做那個專案報告提到我們這是個要盤點我們優勢務實的來做這是個長遠的計畫沒有縮水我們只是從我們現在可以開始做了各位可能委員看到就我們現在做的好像是很小的但是實際上這樣一步一腳印的往前走我們也不吹牛不說我做很多不是啊好啦你意思是說你務實就對了\n208889\t230093\t剛剛有提到就是說我們第二個計畫就是要吸引國外資產管理我們已經跟這些世界上這些大的資產管理公司我們都全面的在接觸中我們也提供非常非常多的誠意還有一些誘因跟他們在討論有沒有可能先講你的第一步短期的做法在高雄設立一個實驗專區產業的聚落同樣的我也要問\n236308\t265357\t那為什麼我不在臺北我不在新北那我要特別去飛去高雄是這樣一主要是因為高雄他那邊有一個自由貿易港區的一個設置再來就是高雄市政府跟過去有幾家金融機構在這個地方已經談了大概有兩三年的時間那這個跟你的這個資產管理中心有什麼樣的關係那這個很重要比如說韋恩你想想看臺灣有很多的這些高資產的人他要到新加坡去理財\n266414\t286292\t我知道你也跟我經過那我的問題在於說我為什麼要去高雄不留在新北我新北也可以這樣做阿可以可以這沒問題我剛剛講為什麼選高雄只是一個起點因為高雄市政府在過去這些準備比較多比如它的場地還有它一些的所謂的行政優惠措施已經非常具體了你講的那些東西齁場地、行政優惠措施\n287192\t306360\t對於這些有錢人對於這些具有資產的人來講我覺得根本不是誘因啊這個委員您就誤會了就是比如說我們剛才講我誤會了對凡事都有個起點我們希望像比如說我們也看到很多的所謂的資產管理中心它是一個很多人都聚落所慢慢形成的一個區塊所以我剛才都有聽啦但是我是覺得說\n309813\t331243\t這個總統的政見是要打造成這個亞洲資產管理中心你現在變成在管理臺灣的這個財富而已那只是其中一部分那你講的你說這個要找這個外資誠意是不夠的大家都有誠意啊就是說你為什麼他們要來臺灣不去新加坡香港可能現在不去了啦那為什麼要來臺灣這個這一點其實啊如果說\n335874\t344511\t就是說你如果沒有一些相關的法律的修改那你跟過去的這個過去也提出很多口號喔\n346121\t367564\t我在當學生時代就都全部聽過了喔是 這也是我們被質疑最多的地方我剛才講說其實很多的時空環境不一樣了像比如我們在接觸的這些比如說已經在台灣設置資產管理中心的這些國外的資產管理公司在台灣其實很多但是他們最近也高度的關注要不要把更多的作業中心更多的後台搬到台灣來\n368365\t369666\t對,所以說我的意思是說,我們現在剛才講,如果各位有仔細,我們現階段,對,我說\n388998\t408853\t當然謝謝委員就是說我說我9月10號的時候我公布是金管會所做的那接下來我們現在也很密集的在跟各部會協調整個國家其他部會的內容是什麼那我們會在第二階段再跟大家宣布說我們整體國家的政策是什麼那我們會對外就是說第一個啦我希望這個是總統的政見所以我們會努力來達成\n410174\t433628\t但是我是目前看到的短期的他只是在管理臺灣的有錢人的資產而且他不一定要去高雄啊你如果說講金融中心的話可能雙北還是金融中心啊我們整個臺灣就是一個虛擬的整個的中心只是我們希望像日本一樣每個地方政府如果他們有打出四個特色出來喔我剛才有點出來啊但是呢\n434744\t452880\t在你的這個計畫裡面其實沒有其實高雄灣區那邊它是真的有它很多其他我們城市沒有我們也希望說其他的我們的城市願意我們一起來討論一起來努力你的報告我有看你的專訪我也有看我是認為真的還要再更具體一點\n453921\t477723\t那你當然說你很務實但是我就是覺得說你的目標實在是太小了就是集中在這個臺灣的資產的管理這部分我們這是第一步啦那你的下一步是何時啊我們先比如說剛才提到我們跟很多人談過在規劃的時候我們想說連臺灣人自己都不願意把這個錢留在臺灣交給臺灣的團隊來管理你怎麼吸引國外人過來\n478424\t496499\t所以我們希望趕快快速的聚集國內的資產沒有任何的這些誘因法條的一些改變的話那還是很難我再請教一下日本的有個人儲蓄賬戶叫NISA從2014年就開始了他們針對一般民眾、孩童或是\n502738\t524302\t這個7年有這個NISA日本版的個人儲蓄帳戶鼓勵民眾進行投資不是只有儲蓄,儲蓄轉投資希望在5年內呢達到這個NISA的開戶數還有投資金額雙倍的設定目標那也間接的呢這個讓這個日經指數也上漲了那好處至少有兩個第一個呢就是\n524977\t548556\t鼓勵民眾及早做退休金的準備保障老年人的經濟安全那第二個我剛提到了引導資金投入資本市場支持實體經濟的持續成長日本版的那臺版的TISA我也聽主委也講過很多次了但是我看了一下臺版的TISA又不太一樣了臺版的TISA它變成是李專這個一本萬利的帳戶\n550869\t573689\t就是說他只是跟這個所有投資人講因為站在你旁邊的財政部有意見所以你就跟投資者講好啦那我就跟你講呢有哪一些這個政策的優惠啊租稅的優惠啊手續費的優惠啊那你可以放到這個帳戶裡面來然後幫你做一個統一的管理鼓勵你來參與那裡面要放什麼東西呢都由你自己來決定\n574730\t590450\t就等於是一個禮專你去跟這個高端的客戶講來來來我跟你講齁你這個東西齁放哪裡這個東西放哪裡齁有什麼租稅的減免這都是目前有的阿我只是幫你規劃而已阿對這個對不對所以你的TISA是不是變成這樣子\n591431\t617867\t委員我們做很多事情要有一定的步驟又來了當然不是我說如果說我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話我覺得這個什麼事情都很困難就沒辦法做因為你旁邊財政部不同意有意見財政部基於他的專業他有他自己的考量比如說不知道我們是一個團隊嗎對所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作我們先用這個方式來做其實待會也可以請財務部說明一下這個其實是很有吸引力的\n618847\t633335\t有吸引力的 我有什麼吸引力來 我問一下給各位一點時間我問一下主委你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣應該這樣 剛剛委員提到其他國家他有個特色他們就是他們的資本 我講臺灣你想怎麼做 TISA你想怎麼做\n635336\t658685\t其他國家不管是英國或是比如說這個這個比如在日本他們是因為他們的資本利得是課稅所以他很容易的做個提查就是說你今天如果說投資這個一定額度的話你這邊因為股票投資獲利我可以給你免稅臺灣在過去在資本利的就是沒有課稅所以我們要想的就沒辦法用用他那套東西所以大家很多說奇怪為什麼別人來做我們因為我們的制度就不一樣\n659505\t679692\t我們想要做的就是說我們怎麼樣做出臺版的這樣一個TESA我們不能完全抄人家稅制是不同的所以我意思是說我們怎麼樣鼓勵鼓勵我們的所以臺版TESA是跟我剛才講的這個有沒有什麼差別嗎所以剛才我也提到那個禮專那個概念我從來都沒有提過是禮專的部分但是那個基本的內容是差不多啊\n680712\t695941\t其實喔有什麼不一樣第一個我覺得這次呢比如說業者就讓利他說第一個對啊你是叫業者啊手續費優惠啊對不對這是第一步再來就是說我們我們透過我們比如說吉寶可以幫各位建建這樣一個管理的專戶\n696781\t722458\t那再來就是其實我們現在投資長期投資現在我們長期投資股票可能很多人不知道其實就有一些稅務的優惠很多人不知道這個稅務優惠本來就有的阿對不對但是很多人不知道那就是李專跟你講就是說你投資在這邊齁你放在這個資產放在這邊可以有什麼優惠我們一般人不知道李專知道阿其實我覺得這部分我進來進去是變成這樣子而已阿這也是要推廣到來不要占用時間了齁是謝謝這個齁\n725404\t740219\t按照媒體來講其實監管會是想做但是財政部有意見不同調最後在行政院長卓榮泰的緩解之下兩大部會持續溝通我是希望說因為今天部長沒有來我是希望說持續來溝通是\n741400\t755690\t如果希望說第一個他能夠引導這個儲蓄變成投資就來做要有誘因你相關稅制就要做修改這是第二個那第二個就是說就是說像日本的他們還有做這個老人退休的一些經濟的一些規劃\n756951\t781249\t這個未來我們也是可以做但是我看到目前至少你的版本東扣西扣然後這個財政部有意見然後你就回到這個最基本的我剛才講理專那個是我是認為說內容是差不多啦你只是跟大家講說現在有哪些優惠你可能不知道我不知道因為我不是理財專家那我跟你講有哪些的優惠就這樣子而已啊跟現在有什麼不一樣勒\n782149\t799939\t確實我覺得資產管理教育是很重要的我想我們先建立一個制度未來我剛才也提到說我們一定要有實際的績效以後我們才能夠跟比如說要求這個比如說其他稅賦的這些因為我覺得這個社會要考慮到非常非常這個你就是在財政部財政部面前你就投降了\n800539\t801800\t李坤委員講的跟我的想法一樣財政部要看到這個\n823683\t831148\t你講得很好你講得很好亞洲資產中心這個財政部這是賴總統的政見啦要一起努力啦\n","txt":"這個我們請金管會彭主委那等一下我講到TISA的時候再請這個財政部的李政務次長在一起上來請彭主委跟李次長我們待會到王鴻威委員執行完畢的時候我們休息10分鐘謝謝\n主委我先請教一下日本的前首相岸田文雄在2023年12月的時候他提出了一個資產運用立國實現的計畫他希望透過日本巨額的個人金融資產投資於成長的企業並將投資收益回報個人的循環模式\n實現成長跟分配的良性循環日本的投資他們希望說儲蓄太多了希望拿來投資還有設立了這個四個金融特區有東京然後呢雜晃然後福岡大阪那各有各的特色比如說東京當然就是這個國際金融中心然後這個北海道的雜晃呢它就是這個再生能源供給的這個基地\n李坤\n他那時候我講一個重點他是希望說這個經濟規章制度整合公司的資源提供多元產品服務吸引國際的資產管理業者來臺營運讓臺灣成為亞洲資產的投資資產管理的中心吸引外資來到臺灣營運\n讓臺灣成為亞洲的投資資產管理中心這是賴總統的雄心壯志但是我看到目前金款會的做法把亞洲資產管理中心縮水了變成只有臺灣的資產管理中心\n說水了本來是說外資要來臺灣那希望說這個引進外資然後讓臺灣的這個經濟啊產業啊更蓬勃的發展但是我看到目前主委的做法金管的做法好像就只有在管理臺灣人的財富管理臺灣人的錢\n提供一些簡便的一些行政措施然後形成一個專業的聚落然後呢管理這個臺灣的這個有錢人的財富\n是這樣子嗎跟委員報告這只是我們其中計畫的一部分剛剛委員提到我剛剛在做那個專案報告提到我們這是個要盤點我們優勢務實的來做這是個長遠的計畫沒有縮水我們只是從我們現在可以開始做了各位可能委員看到就我們現在做的好像是很小的但是實際上這樣一步一腳印的往前走我們也不吹牛不說我做很多不是啊好啦你意思是說你務實就對了\n剛剛有提到就是說我們第二個計畫就是要吸引國外資產管理我們已經跟這些世界上這些大的資產管理公司我們都全面的在接觸中我們也提供非常非常多的誠意還有一些誘因跟他們在討論有沒有可能先講你的第一步短期的做法在高雄設立一個實驗專區產業的聚落同樣的我也要問\n那為什麼我不在臺北我不在新北那我要特別去飛去高雄是這樣一主要是因為高雄他那邊有一個自由貿易港區的一個設置再來就是高雄市政府跟過去有幾家金融機構在這個地方已經談了大概有兩三年的時間那這個跟你的這個資產管理中心有什麼樣的關係那這個很重要比如說韋恩你想想看臺灣有很多的這些高資產的人他要到新加坡去理財\n我知道你也跟我經過那我的問題在於說我為什麼要去高雄不留在新北我新北也可以這樣做阿可以可以這沒問題我剛剛講為什麼選高雄只是一個起點因為高雄市政府在過去這些準備比較多比如它的場地還有它一些的所謂的行政優惠措施已經非常具體了你講的那些東西齁場地、行政優惠措施\n對於這些有錢人對於這些具有資產的人來講我覺得根本不是誘因啊這個委員您就誤會了就是比如說我們剛才講我誤會了對凡事都有個起點我們希望像比如說我們也看到很多的所謂的資產管理中心它是一個很多人都聚落所慢慢形成的一個區塊所以我剛才都有聽啦但是我是覺得說\n這個總統的政見是要打造成這個亞洲資產管理中心你現在變成在管理臺灣的這個財富而已那只是其中一部分那你講的你說這個要找這個外資誠意是不夠的大家都有誠意啊就是說你為什麼他們要來臺灣不去新加坡香港可能現在不去了啦那為什麼要來臺灣這個這一點其實啊如果說\n就是說你如果沒有一些相關的法律的修改那你跟過去的這個過去也提出很多口號喔\n我在當學生時代就都全部聽過了喔是 這也是我們被質疑最多的地方我剛才講說其實很多的時空環境不一樣了像比如我們在接觸的這些比如說已經在台灣設置資產管理中心的這些國外的資產管理公司在台灣其實很多但是他們最近也高度的關注要不要把更多的作業中心更多的後台搬到台灣來\n對,所以說我的意思是說,我們現在剛才講,如果各位有仔細,我們現階段,對,我說\n當然謝謝委員就是說我說我9月10號的時候我公布是金管會所做的那接下來我們現在也很密集的在跟各部會協調整個國家其他部會的內容是什麼那我們會在第二階段再跟大家宣布說我們整體國家的政策是什麼那我們會對外就是說第一個啦我希望這個是總統的政見所以我們會努力來達成\n但是我是目前看到的短期的他只是在管理臺灣的有錢人的資產而且他不一定要去高雄啊你如果說講金融中心的話可能雙北還是金融中心啊我們整個臺灣就是一個虛擬的整個的中心只是我們希望像日本一樣每個地方政府如果他們有打出四個特色出來喔我剛才有點出來啊但是呢\n在你的這個計畫裡面其實沒有其實高雄灣區那邊它是真的有它很多其他我們城市沒有我們也希望說其他的我們的城市願意我們一起來討論一起來努力你的報告我有看你的專訪我也有看我是認為真的還要再更具體一點\n那你當然說你很務實但是我就是覺得說你的目標實在是太小了就是集中在這個臺灣的資產的管理這部分我們這是第一步啦那你的下一步是何時啊我們先比如說剛才提到我們跟很多人談過在規劃的時候我們想說連臺灣人自己都不願意把這個錢留在臺灣交給臺灣的團隊來管理你怎麼吸引國外人過來\n所以我們希望趕快快速的聚集國內的資產沒有任何的這些誘因法條的一些改變的話那還是很難我再請教一下日本的有個人儲蓄賬戶叫NISA從2014年就開始了他們針對一般民眾、孩童或是\n這個7年有這個NISA日本版的個人儲蓄帳戶鼓勵民眾進行投資不是只有儲蓄,儲蓄轉投資希望在5年內呢達到這個NISA的開戶數還有投資金額雙倍的設定目標那也間接的呢這個讓這個日經指數也上漲了那好處至少有兩個第一個呢就是\n鼓勵民眾及早做退休金的準備保障老年人的經濟安全那第二個我剛提到了引導資金投入資本市場支持實體經濟的持續成長日本版的那臺版的TISA我也聽主委也講過很多次了但是我看了一下臺版的TISA又不太一樣了臺版的TISA它變成是李專這個一本萬利的帳戶\n就是說他只是跟這個所有投資人講因為站在你旁邊的財政部有意見所以你就跟投資者講好啦那我就跟你講呢有哪一些這個政策的優惠啊租稅的優惠啊手續費的優惠啊那你可以放到這個帳戶裡面來然後幫你做一個統一的管理鼓勵你來參與那裡面要放什麼東西呢都由你自己來決定\n就等於是一個禮專你去跟這個高端的客戶講來來來我跟你講齁你這個東西齁放哪裡這個東西放哪裡齁有什麼租稅的減免這都是目前有的阿我只是幫你規劃而已阿對這個對不對所以你的TISA是不是變成這樣子\n委員我們做很多事情要有一定的步驟又來了當然不是我說如果說我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話我覺得這個什麼事情都很困難就沒辦法做因為你旁邊財政部不同意有意見財政部基於他的專業他有他自己的考量比如說不知道我們是一個團隊嗎對所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作我們先用這個方式來做其實待會也可以請財務部說明一下這個其實是很有吸引力的\n有吸引力的 我有什麼吸引力來 我問一下給各位一點時間我問一下主委你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣應該這樣 剛剛委員提到其他國家他有個特色他們就是他們的資本 我講臺灣你想怎麼做 TISA你想怎麼做\n其他國家不管是英國或是比如說這個這個比如在日本他們是因為他們的資本利得是課稅所以他很容易的做個提查就是說你今天如果說投資這個一定額度的話你這邊因為股票投資獲利我可以給你免稅臺灣在過去在資本利的就是沒有課稅所以我們要想的就沒辦法用用他那套東西所以大家很多說奇怪為什麼別人來做我們因為我們的制度就不一樣\n我們想要做的就是說我們怎麼樣做出臺版的這樣一個TESA我們不能完全抄人家稅制是不同的所以我意思是說我們怎麼樣鼓勵鼓勵我們的所以臺版TESA是跟我剛才講的這個有沒有什麼差別嗎所以剛才我也提到那個禮專那個概念我從來都沒有提過是禮專的部分但是那個基本的內容是差不多啊\n其實喔有什麼不一樣第一個我覺得這次呢比如說業者就讓利他說第一個對啊你是叫業者啊手續費優惠啊對不對這是第一步再來就是說我們我們透過我們比如說吉寶可以幫各位建建這樣一個管理的專戶\n那再來就是其實我們現在投資長期投資現在我們長期投資股票可能很多人不知道其實就有一些稅務的優惠很多人不知道這個稅務優惠本來就有的阿對不對但是很多人不知道那就是李專跟你講就是說你投資在這邊齁你放在這個資產放在這邊可以有什麼優惠我們一般人不知道李專知道阿其實我覺得這部分我進來進去是變成這樣子而已阿這也是要推廣到來不要占用時間了齁是謝謝這個齁\n按照媒體來講其實監管會是想做但是財政部有意見不同調最後在行政院長卓榮泰的緩解之下兩大部會持續溝通我是希望說因為今天部長沒有來我是希望說持續來溝通是\n如果希望說第一個他能夠引導這個儲蓄變成投資就來做要有誘因你相關稅制就要做修改這是第二個那第二個就是說就是說像日本的他們還有做這個老人退休的一些經濟的一些規劃\n這個未來我們也是可以做但是我看到目前至少你的版本東扣西扣然後這個財政部有意見然後你就回到這個最基本的我剛才講理專那個是我是認為說內容是差不多啦你只是跟大家講說現在有哪些優惠你可能不知道我不知道因為我不是理財專家那我跟你講有哪些的優惠就這樣子而已啊跟現在有什麼不一樣勒\n確實我覺得資產管理教育是很重要的我想我們先建立一個制度未來我剛才也提到說我們一定要有實際的績效以後我們才能夠跟比如說要求這個比如說其他稅賦的這些因為我覺得這個社會要考慮到非常非常這個你就是在財政部財政部面前你就投降了\n李坤委員講的跟我的想法一樣財政部要看到這個\n你講得很好你講得很好亞洲資產中心這個財政部這是賴總統的政見啦要一起努力啦\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.616 --> 00:14.683\n這個我們請金管會彭主委那等一下我講到TISA的時候再請這個財政部的李政務次長在一起上來請彭主委跟李次長我們待會到王鴻威委員執行完畢的時候我們休息10分鐘謝謝\n\n00:17.031 --> 00:33.959\n主委我先請教一下日本的前首相岸田文雄在2023年12月的時候他提出了一個資產運用立國實現的計畫他希望透過日本巨額的個人金融資產投資於成長的企業並將投資收益回報個人的循環模式\n\n00:37.680 --> 01:04.846\n實現成長跟分配的良性循環日本的投資他們希望說儲蓄太多了希望拿來投資還有設立了這個四個金融特區有東京然後呢雜晃然後福岡大阪那各有各的特色比如說東京當然就是這個國際金融中心然後這個北海道的雜晃呢它就是這個再生能源供給的這個基地\n\n01:05.182 --> 01:05.482\n李坤\n\n01:36.004 --> 01:50.412\n他那時候我講一個重點他是希望說這個經濟規章制度整合公司的資源提供多元產品服務吸引國際的資產管理業者來臺營運讓臺灣成為亞洲資產的投資資產管理的中心吸引外資來到臺灣營運\n\n02:00.177 --> 02:18.811\n讓臺灣成為亞洲的投資資產管理中心這是賴總統的雄心壯志但是我看到目前金款會的做法把亞洲資產管理中心縮水了變成只有臺灣的資產管理中心\n\n02:20.217 --> 02:38.849\n說水了本來是說外資要來臺灣那希望說這個引進外資然後讓臺灣的這個經濟啊產業啊更蓬勃的發展但是我看到目前主委的做法金管的做法好像就只有在管理臺灣人的財富管理臺灣人的錢\n\n02:40.010 --> 02:42.693\n提供一些簡便的一些行政措施然後形成一個專業的聚落然後呢管理這個臺灣的這個有錢人的財富\n\n03:00.714 --> 03:25.887\n是這樣子嗎跟委員報告這只是我們其中計畫的一部分剛剛委員提到我剛剛在做那個專案報告提到我們這是個要盤點我們優勢務實的來做這是個長遠的計畫沒有縮水我們只是從我們現在可以開始做了各位可能委員看到就我們現在做的好像是很小的但是實際上這樣一步一腳印的往前走我們也不吹牛不說我做很多不是啊好啦你意思是說你務實就對了\n\n03:28.889 --> 03:50.093\n剛剛有提到就是說我們第二個計畫就是要吸引國外資產管理我們已經跟這些世界上這些大的資產管理公司我們都全面的在接觸中我們也提供非常非常多的誠意還有一些誘因跟他們在討論有沒有可能先講你的第一步短期的做法在高雄設立一個實驗專區產業的聚落同樣的我也要問\n\n03:56.308 --> 04:25.357\n那為什麼我不在臺北我不在新北那我要特別去飛去高雄是這樣一主要是因為高雄他那邊有一個自由貿易港區的一個設置再來就是高雄市政府跟過去有幾家金融機構在這個地方已經談了大概有兩三年的時間那這個跟你的這個資產管理中心有什麼樣的關係那這個很重要比如說韋恩你想想看臺灣有很多的這些高資產的人他要到新加坡去理財\n\n04:26.414 --> 04:46.292\n我知道你也跟我經過那我的問題在於說我為什麼要去高雄不留在新北我新北也可以這樣做阿可以可以這沒問題我剛剛講為什麼選高雄只是一個起點因為高雄市政府在過去這些準備比較多比如它的場地還有它一些的所謂的行政優惠措施已經非常具體了你講的那些東西齁場地、行政優惠措施\n\n04:47.192 --> 05:06.360\n對於這些有錢人對於這些具有資產的人來講我覺得根本不是誘因啊這個委員您就誤會了就是比如說我們剛才講我誤會了對凡事都有個起點我們希望像比如說我們也看到很多的所謂的資產管理中心它是一個很多人都聚落所慢慢形成的一個區塊所以我剛才都有聽啦但是我是覺得說\n\n05:09.813 --> 05:31.243\n這個總統的政見是要打造成這個亞洲資產管理中心你現在變成在管理臺灣的這個財富而已那只是其中一部分那你講的你說這個要找這個外資誠意是不夠的大家都有誠意啊就是說你為什麼他們要來臺灣不去新加坡香港可能現在不去了啦那為什麼要來臺灣這個這一點其實啊如果說\n\n05:35.874 --> 05:44.511\n就是說你如果沒有一些相關的法律的修改那你跟過去的這個過去也提出很多口號喔\n\n05:46.121 --> 06:07.564\n我在當學生時代就都全部聽過了喔是這也是我們被質疑最多的地方我剛才講說其實很多的時空環境不一樣了像比如我們在接觸的這些比如說已經在台灣設置資產管理中心的這些國外的資產管理公司在台灣其實很多但是他們最近也高度的關注要不要把更多的作業中心更多的後台搬到台灣來\n\n06:08.365 --> 06:09.666\n對,所以說我的意思是說,我們現在剛才講,如果各位有仔細,我們現階段,對,我說\n\n06:28.998 --> 06:48.853\n當然謝謝委員就是說我說我9月10號的時候我公布是金管會所做的那接下來我們現在也很密集的在跟各部會協調整個國家其他部會的內容是什麼那我們會在第二階段再跟大家宣布說我們整體國家的政策是什麼那我們會對外就是說第一個啦我希望這個是總統的政見所以我們會努力來達成\n\n06:50.174 --> 07:13.628\n但是我是目前看到的短期的他只是在管理臺灣的有錢人的資產而且他不一定要去高雄啊你如果說講金融中心的話可能雙北還是金融中心啊我們整個臺灣就是一個虛擬的整個的中心只是我們希望像日本一樣每個地方政府如果他們有打出四個特色出來喔我剛才有點出來啊但是呢\n\n07:14.744 --> 07:32.880\n在你的這個計畫裡面其實沒有其實高雄灣區那邊它是真的有它很多其他我們城市沒有我們也希望說其他的我們的城市願意我們一起來討論一起來努力你的報告我有看你的專訪我也有看我是認為真的還要再更具體一點\n\n07:33.921 --> 07:57.723\n那你當然說你很務實但是我就是覺得說你的目標實在是太小了就是集中在這個臺灣的資產的管理這部分我們這是第一步啦那你的下一步是何時啊我們先比如說剛才提到我們跟很多人談過在規劃的時候我們想說連臺灣人自己都不願意把這個錢留在臺灣交給臺灣的團隊來管理你怎麼吸引國外人過來\n\n07:58.424 --> 08:16.499\n所以我們希望趕快快速的聚集國內的資產沒有任何的這些誘因法條的一些改變的話那還是很難我再請教一下日本的有個人儲蓄賬戶叫NISA從2014年就開始了他們針對一般民眾、孩童或是\n\n08:22.738 --> 08:44.302\n這個7年有這個NISA日本版的個人儲蓄帳戶鼓勵民眾進行投資不是只有儲蓄,儲蓄轉投資希望在5年內呢達到這個NISA的開戶數還有投資金額雙倍的設定目標那也間接的呢這個讓這個日經指數也上漲了那好處至少有兩個第一個呢就是\n\n08:44.977 --> 09:08.556\n鼓勵民眾及早做退休金的準備保障老年人的經濟安全那第二個我剛提到了引導資金投入資本市場支持實體經濟的持續成長日本版的那臺版的TISA我也聽主委也講過很多次了但是我看了一下臺版的TISA又不太一樣了臺版的TISA它變成是李專這個一本萬利的帳戶\n\n09:10.869 --> 09:33.689\n就是說他只是跟這個所有投資人講因為站在你旁邊的財政部有意見所以你就跟投資者講好啦那我就跟你講呢有哪一些這個政策的優惠啊租稅的優惠啊手續費的優惠啊那你可以放到這個帳戶裡面來然後幫你做一個統一的管理鼓勵你來參與那裡面要放什麼東西呢都由你自己來決定\n\n09:34.730 --> 09:50.450\n就等於是一個禮專你去跟這個高端的客戶講來來來我跟你講齁你這個東西齁放哪裡這個東西放哪裡齁有什麼租稅的減免這都是目前有的阿我只是幫你規劃而已阿對這個對不對所以你的TISA是不是變成這樣子\n\n09:51.431 --> 10:17.867\n委員我們做很多事情要有一定的步驟又來了當然不是我說如果說我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話我覺得這個什麼事情都很困難就沒辦法做因為你旁邊財政部不同意有意見財政部基於他的專業他有他自己的考量比如說不知道我們是一個團隊嗎對所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作我們先用這個方式來做其實待會也可以請財務部說明一下這個其實是很有吸引力的\n\n10:18.847 --> 10:33.335\n有吸引力的我有什麼吸引力來我問一下給各位一點時間我問一下主委你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣應該這樣剛剛委員提到其他國家他有個特色他們就是他們的資本我講臺灣你想怎麼做TISA你想怎麼做\n\n10:35.336 --> 10:58.685\n其他國家不管是英國或是比如說這個這個比如在日本他們是因為他們的資本利得是課稅所以他很容易的做個提查就是說你今天如果說投資這個一定額度的話你這邊因為股票投資獲利我可以給你免稅臺灣在過去在資本利的就是沒有課稅所以我們要想的就沒辦法用用他那套東西所以大家很多說奇怪為什麼別人來做我們因為我們的制度就不一樣\n\n10:59.505 --> 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這也是我們被質疑最多的地方我剛才講說其實很多的時空環境不一樣了像比如我們在接觸的這些比如說已經在台灣設置資產管理中心的這些國外的資產管理公司在台灣其實很多但是他們最近也高度的關注要不要把更多的作業中心更多的後台搬到台灣來"},{"start":368.365,"end":369.666,"text":"對,所以說我的意思是說,我們現在剛才講,如果各位有仔細,我們現階段,對,我說"},{"start":388.998,"end":408.853,"text":"當然謝謝委員就是說我說我9月10號的時候我公布是金管會所做的那接下來我們現在也很密集的在跟各部會協調整個國家其他部會的內容是什麼那我們會在第二階段再跟大家宣布說我們整體國家的政策是什麼那我們會對外就是說第一個啦我希望這個是總統的政見所以我們會努力來達成"},{"start":410.174,"end":433.628,"text":"但是我是目前看到的短期的他只是在管理臺灣的有錢人的資產而且他不一定要去高雄啊你如果說講金融中心的話可能雙北還是金融中心啊我們整個臺灣就是一個虛擬的整個的中心只是我們希望像日本一樣每個地方政府如果他們有打出四個特色出來喔我剛才有點出來啊但是呢"},{"start":434.744,"end":452.88,"text":"在你的這個計畫裡面其實沒有其實高雄灣區那邊它是真的有它很多其他我們城市沒有我們也希望說其他的我們的城市願意我們一起來討論一起來努力你的報告我有看你的專訪我也有看我是認為真的還要再更具體一點"},{"start":453.921,"end":477.723,"text":"那你當然說你很務實但是我就是覺得說你的目標實在是太小了就是集中在這個臺灣的資產的管理這部分我們這是第一步啦那你的下一步是何時啊我們先比如說剛才提到我們跟很多人談過在規劃的時候我們想說連臺灣人自己都不願意把這個錢留在臺灣交給臺灣的團隊來管理你怎麼吸引國外人過來"},{"start":478.424,"end":496.499,"text":"所以我們希望趕快快速的聚集國內的資產沒有任何的這些誘因法條的一些改變的話那還是很難我再請教一下日本的有個人儲蓄賬戶叫NISA從2014年就開始了他們針對一般民眾、孩童或是"},{"start":502.738,"end":524.302,"text":"這個7年有這個NISA日本版的個人儲蓄帳戶鼓勵民眾進行投資不是只有儲蓄,儲蓄轉投資希望在5年內呢達到這個NISA的開戶數還有投資金額雙倍的設定目標那也間接的呢這個讓這個日經指數也上漲了那好處至少有兩個第一個呢就是"},{"start":524.977,"end":548.556,"text":"鼓勵民眾及早做退休金的準備保障老年人的經濟安全那第二個我剛提到了引導資金投入資本市場支持實體經濟的持續成長日本版的那臺版的TISA我也聽主委也講過很多次了但是我看了一下臺版的TISA又不太一樣了臺版的TISA它變成是李專這個一本萬利的帳戶"},{"start":550.869,"end":573.689,"text":"就是說他只是跟這個所有投資人講因為站在你旁邊的財政部有意見所以你就跟投資者講好啦那我就跟你講呢有哪一些這個政策的優惠啊租稅的優惠啊手續費的優惠啊那你可以放到這個帳戶裡面來然後幫你做一個統一的管理鼓勵你來參與那裡面要放什麼東西呢都由你自己來決定"},{"start":574.73,"end":590.45,"text":"就等於是一個禮專你去跟這個高端的客戶講來來來我跟你講齁你這個東西齁放哪裡這個東西放哪裡齁有什麼租稅的減免這都是目前有的阿我只是幫你規劃而已阿對這個對不對所以你的TISA是不是變成這樣子"},{"start":591.431,"end":617.867,"text":"委員我們做很多事情要有一定的步驟又來了當然不是我說如果說我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話我覺得這個什麼事情都很困難就沒辦法做因為你旁邊財政部不同意有意見財政部基於他的專業他有他自己的考量比如說不知道我們是一個團隊嗎對所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作我們先用這個方式來做其實待會也可以請財務部說明一下這個其實是很有吸引力的"},{"start":618.847,"end":633.335,"text":"有吸引力的 我有什麼吸引力來 我問一下給各位一點時間我問一下主委你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣應該這樣 剛剛委員提到其他國家他有個特色他們就是他們的資本 我講臺灣你想怎麼做 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員，我們做很多事情，要有一定的步驟……"],["李委員坤城：又來了。"],["彭主任委員金隆：當然，如果我們一定要等到租稅優惠才做的話，我覺得什麼事情都很困難，但是……"],["李委員坤城：就沒辦法做，因為你旁邊財政部不同意、有意見。"],["彭主任委員金隆：財政部基於他的專業，他有他自己的考量，比如說……"],["李委員坤城：不是啊，我們是一個team啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，所以說我們非常非常緊密的合作，我們先用這個方式來做，其實待會也可以請財政部說明一下，這其實是很有吸引力的。"],["李委員坤城：很有吸引力？有什麼吸引力？來，我問一下，給我一點時間，我問一下主委，你心目中的TISA應該是長什麼樣？"],["彭主任委員金隆：剛剛委員提到，其他國家有個特色，他們就是……"],["李委員坤城：我講臺灣啦！TISA你想怎麼做？"],["彭主任委員金隆：其他國家不管是英國或是比如說日本，他們是因為他們的資本利得是課稅，所以他很容易做TISA，你今天如果投資一定額度的話，你因為股票投資獲利，我可以給你免稅。臺灣過去在資本利得就是沒有課稅，所以我們就沒辦法用它那一套東西，所以大家很多人覺得奇怪，為什麼別人來做就可以？因為我們的制度就不一樣，我們想要做，我們怎麼樣做臺版的這樣一個TISA，我們不能完全抄人家，稅制是不同的，所以我意思是說，我們怎麼樣鼓勵……"],["李委員坤城：對啊，所以你的臺版TISA跟我剛才講的這個有什麼差別嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：所以剛才委員提到那個理專的概念，我倒是第一次聽，我從來都沒有提過什麼理專……"],["李委員坤城：但是基本的內容是差不多啊，有什麼不一樣？"],["彭主任委員金隆：第一個，我覺得這一次，比如說業者就讓利，然後交易部分也……"],["李委員坤城：對啊，你是叫業者手續費優惠，對不對？"],["彭主任委員金隆：這是第一步，再來就是說，我們透過比如說集保可以幫各位建這樣一個管理的專戶，再來，其實我們現在……"],["李委員坤城：這個現在本來就有在做啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：現在我們長期投資股票，可能很多人不知道，其實就有一些稅務的優惠，很多人不知道。"],["李委員坤城：這個稅務優惠是本來就有的啊，對不對？"],["彭主任委員金隆：但是很多人不知道。"],["李委員坤城：理專會跟你講，你投資在這邊，你的資產放在這邊，可以有什麼優惠，我們一般人不知道，但理專知道啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們先將制度建立起來，其實我覺得這部分……"],["李委員坤城：我聽來聽去就是變成這樣子而已啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：這也是要推廣到比如說……"],["李委員坤城：來，你不要占用時間了。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，謝謝。"],["李委員坤城：按照媒體的說法，其實金管會是想做，但是財政部有意見，不同調，最後在行政院長卓榮泰的緩頰之下，兩大部會持續溝通，因為今天部長沒有來，我是希望你們持續來溝通。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是。"],["李委員坤城：我希望第一個，它能夠引導儲蓄變成投資，就來做，要有誘因，你相關的稅制就要做修改，這是第一個。第二個，像日本他們還有做整個老人退休的一些經濟規劃，這個未來我們也是可以做，但是我看到目前至少你的版本東扣西扣，然後財政部有意見，於是你就回到最基本的，我剛才講理專的部分，我是認為內容其實是差不多啦，你只是跟大家講現在有哪些優惠，你可能不知道，像我就不知道，因為我不是理財專家，所以你們跟大家講有哪些優惠，就這樣子而已啊！跟現在有什麼不一樣呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：確實，我覺得資產管理教育是很重要的，我想我們先建立一個制度，至於未來，我剛才也提到我們一定要有實際的績效以後，我們才能夠要求其他稅負的這些等等，因為我覺得這個社會要考慮到非常非常多的層面。"],["李委員坤城：但這個部分，你在財政部面前你就投降了啦！"],["彭主任委員金隆：倒不是，因為我覺得國家是一體的，我想……"],["李委員坤城：我當然知道是一體的，所以我才說兩部要一起合作啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，財政部實際上……"],["李委員坤城：那我今天支持你啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝，我想現在財政部也很努力，但是我們要考慮到整個國家，我想財政部持續會做出努力啦，謝謝。"],["李委員坤城：好，謝謝，謝謝主席。"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝李坤城委員，李坤城委員講的跟我的想法一樣，財政部要看到……"],["李委員坤城：主席，你不要……"],["主席：你講得很好，你講得很好。財政部，亞洲資產中心計畫是賴總統的政見，你們要一起努力啦。","請賴士葆委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":308,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-4","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","李坤城","賴士葆","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王鴻薇","王世堅","廖先翔","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","葉元之","沈發惠","葛如鈞","賴瑞隆","羅明才","邱志偉","林楚茵"],"page_start":225,"meetingDate":["2024-10-24"],"gazette_id":"1138901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經\n濟部、交通部就「政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之具體作為暨如何協助金融科技及新創產\n業籌資現況與未來發展」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138901_00004"}}}