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00:02:55,967\n其實經常性薪資已經上調到5000多元了。所以我們調整薪資透明化的門檻,你有沒有什麼初步的想法,你們想要怎麼修訂它?我知道委員,這個我們有在討論中。就是關於薪資透明化當然舊部法是規定40000啦。那有沒有必要再上調,我們已經在討論了。\n\n9\n00:02:59,468 --> 00:03:25,563\n我比較想知道的是進度啦你們預計在什麼時候會訂出來我們要就是因為當然我們本來舊福法就有修法的計畫啦那麼明年上半會期明年上半會期你會想提出新的是是是對很好我也是幫大家關心一下謝謝再來呢這件事情我們之後也會面臨也就是說\n\n10\n00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:51,552\n公車司機現在平均喔月薪是7萬可是居然沒有人想要坐我舉臺北市好了臺北市我們這個公車司機的缺口已經超過1500人那如果交通部統計全臺灣的大客車駕駛缺工是2000到3000人所以大客車他在招募就算開出6萬到8萬啊他到現在才補了500多個人\n\n11\n00:03:54,714 --> 00:04:08,808\n為什麼我們要提到這個問題是因為2030年有一大批屆齊的屆齡的公車駕駛要退休所以我們計算一下比如說台北市會有900多位在退休離職\n\n12\n00:04:10,149 --> 00:04:29,092\n可是我們現在有全台都有這個TPAS嘛然後我們還要再成立公車電動國家隊等等的我們的科技目前還沒進展到無人駕駛輪班的司機只好轉換用時數來補所以就演變成超工時加班這樣子的現況\n\n13\n00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:57,986\n市委員您就是這個當然公車客運司機其實我們已經開放橋外生中階人力可以來這一個用這個在上個月我們開放了對那麼當然現在重點就是說橋外生夠不夠啦或是說你的薪資橋外生願不願意來來來來來這個對那因為公車的環境他可能比較就是說比如說客宿頻繁\n\n14\n00:04:58,826 --> 00:05:16,406\n所以對這個公車的勞動、公車實際勞動提要加價,不過這只有薪水,這個問題而已。下一張我是要告訴您說,他們現在必須加班,所以一天的工時10到12個小時,如果他排到首班車,他4、5點就要出門,中間雖然有給他休息時間,可是\n\n15\n00:05:17,580 --> 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