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00:00:48,802\n他是講說是在有一個叫做青少年兒童教育中心的項目要讓服務升級好那我想了解喔就這裡面的青少年兒童教育中心以及這個家庭中心和現在的北院的兒童學藝中心是相同的項目嗎\n\n3\n00:00:49,947 --> 00:01:12,033\n跟委員報告這是一個誤解因為當初新故宮計畫的時候是有這樣的一個規劃但是後來考量實際上如果說把那個兒少的就是那個兒童教育中心放在那個南院的話那南院跟北院的紀律就是說他抽離他的那個展場\n\n4\n00:01:12,913 --> 00:01:38,686\n所以後來的話我才會重新跟同仁討論就是說那個兒少中心的話就設在故宮的東側原來的第二辦公室的地方然後另外連結他旁邊的舊的四棟宿舍變成是一個探索館所以現在這樣的話他就整個跟跟故宮的政管連結就故宮的地下一樓的話有一個就是入口的還是\n\n5\n00:01:40,907 --> 00:02:06,880\n院長用這一張來跟我說明一下好了故宮的B1的話近期它有一個兒育中心這個兒育中心的話未來我們還是會留著這個是所以這個地方不變嗎只是說增加了青少年教育跟兒童教育中心這樣子讓一般的閃課或是沒有預約的來然後之後的話就是兒童教育中心兒童教育中心的話就是\n\n6\n00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:20,953\n現在的那個原來的第二行政辦公大樓現在已經在7月的時候已經已經完成了已經開始辦理教育推廣活動另外的話4棟的那個宿舍的話那基本上來講的話我們會進行規劃因為原來在新故宮計劃裡面並沒有包括這4棟的宿舍\n\n7\n00:02:26,278 --> 00:02:53,003\n那另外的話兒益中心就原來第二班公大樓的話原來叫兒益中心可是現在的推廣教育的話就不會指這兒童就說我們會做樂齡會做那個銀髮就說基本上來講報告長院長我覺得我現在我想確認一件事就是說好我們有學益中心不變對不對他就是給散課我們現在有探索中心結合了青少兒童家庭的部分這部分就是來做推廣課程\n\n8\n00:02:54,183 --> 00:03:07,214\n對對吧但是這個部分的話他會變成是一個有預約式的課程對我知道他就是一個推廣預約的活動嗎然後讓學校可能可以來預約課程之類的嗎對不對所以現在是在已經第二行政大樓已經在7月的時候開始營運了對嗎對好\n\n9\n00:03:09,136 --> 00:03:36,611\n那我想了解一下就是說因為現在剛剛還有講到一個探索中心這個探索中心是包含了就是我剛剛講的這些全部所以那個四棟建宿舍跟這個完全沒有關係對嗎沒有那個所有的探索館就是四棟的舊的宿舍我要把它改成是一個推廣教育的探索中心探索中心的話譬如說裡面有一棟的話是可以做數位的影音沒關係院長我釐清一下好了就是說\n\n10\n00:03:38,872 --> 00:03:44,347\n所以那個探索中心也就是你剛剛講的這個在第二行政大樓裡面的這四個宿舍對不對?\n\n11\n00:03:45,185 --> 00:03:48,646\n對於單字量尚不足的學齡兒童來說﹖或者是說對於家長對於3C有concern的部分﹖\n\n12\n00:04:11,332 --> 00:04:11,693\n我知道我知道我知道\n\n13\n00:04:26,406 --> 00:04:52,272\n但是在未來的推廣教育的話基本上來講DIY互動的部分就會增多所以我是想要強調這個部分那我想就是說現在看起來有些詳細的規劃那可能也開始舉辦了一些課程那是不是可以把這個現在已經舉辦的課程以及來訪的年齡層相關的細節可不可以在一個禮拜內提供給我這個報告好不好讓我們來看看裡面還可以怎麼樣一起來努力那再來就是說其實我也想要跟這個\n\n14\n00:04:55,376 --> 00:05:18,673\n部長來討論一下就是說其實這個是在我剛剛聽到很多委員都在講就是這個百年故宮啊然後這個我們必須要傳承台灣的歷史啊那我其實自己過去其實也追蹤了過上次在諮詢的時候也有問院長就是說我們在北院15歲以下的兒童到訪的人次是相對少的\n\n15\n00:05:19,874 --> 00:05:39,111\n我們南院是多的因為我們活動很精彩很豐富可是我們北院來說相對是少的但是我也認為就是說孩子必須要從小就開始學習進入到博物館裡面去了解台灣的歷史發生了什麼事情那這是我從英國的VNMMuseum他其實有做一個就是MuseumofChildhood就是童年的部分\n\n16\n00:05:40,192 --> 00:06:05,315\n展示了不同世代的英國兒童的童年這個是在2018年的時候新加坡也策了一個展就在講不同世代的一個遊戲場我覺得這個主題對小孩來說非常有趣所以我在想提供一個解方我們先希望吸引更小的小朋友他可以進來遊戲場進來這個博物館我覺得遊戲場可能是一個很好的主題因為對他來說他會覺得感同身受\n\n17\n00:06:06,096 --> 00:06:34,391\n會很有興趣但可能就是一個很好的媒介讓他進入到博物館所以我在想如果我們明年有經費的話是不是可以來測一個這樣子的展呢好那個我請我們同仁來研究看看那跟我們報告未來的4的舊的宿舍基本上來講的話就等於4個展場對所以它裡面的話它可以調整的空間對我想我們是不是可以來考慮一下因為其實這個其實有蠻多博物館都有做類似的展覽好\n\n18\n00:06:35,171 --> 00:06:55,071\n好那再來就下一個就是說我們現在的多媒體導覽在成人的部分我們有那個台語跟客語就是國家本土語言的部分那我們在兒童的部分因為其實就有很多的這樣跟我反映啊他的小孩本土就一般的生活對話都是可以用台語進行的可是當他要去了解一些更深層的藝術的知識的時候\n\n19\n00:06:57,153 --> 00:07:05,400\n他就不知道怎麼跟他小孩講所以我覺得故宮其實也可以承擔這樣子的責任來開發兒童版本的台語跟客語的導覽這部分是不是可行呢?\n\n20\n00:07:09,135 --> 00:07:27,647\n臺語的導覽的話我原來在國立臺灣美術館做過課題的話倒沒有那這樣看起來之前院長有經驗嘛我們是不是可以來發展這個給兒童的版本一起來傳承母語附贈的任務如果成為一個導覽的書籍的版本我們可以來研究\n\n21\n00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:49,241\n我們可以來研究喔,那我們是不是可以來到時候也給我一個詳細的一個期程,你們大概什麼時候可以研究好不好?對,因為現在最大的問題對故宮最大的問題的話就是因為故宮的展覽活動很多,如果越多語言的話那個翻譯的即時性是一個很大的負擔,那以目前來講的話\n\n22\n00:07:50,402 --> 00:08:14,939\n除了說未來AI可以提議人：因為成人的導覽都已經有台語跟客語了啦其實一些基本的字我想也不需要整份全部把它變成是兒童的版本嘛因為兒童會能夠理解的我想我們也有兒少親自委員會嘛我們其實也可以跟他來請教我們可以針對哪個部分來強化好不好這個部分請院長一定要來幫忙啦好不好讓我們的孩子也可以從不同的本土語言來了解我們台灣的文化跟歷史\n\n23\n00:08:15,860 --> 00:08:17,262\n我們這次要去這個大阪萬博展\n\n24\n00:08:25,177 --> 00:08:52,879\n我是想要做個小小的提醒啦因為其實到時候萬博展一定會吸引非常非常多的國際旅客去參訪那其實大家也都有提到故宮的國際旅客一直在下降所以我覺得這是一個很好的機會來吸引我們的國際旅客但是我們還是希望說在這裡面的策展的內容呢也要去強調我們台灣的一個本土歷史讓大家更了解台灣然後我們也希望可以藉由這個活動呢可能來去串聯未來大家來到故宮的時候可以去看到\n\n25\n00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,322\n臺灣故宮更豐富的一個館長：這個部分可不可以請院長來特別注意一下?\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4148\t28516\t謝謝主席,我們有請院長有請蕭院長張院長院長早,就是說首先我現在會最關心我在乎的這個兒少議題就是說我看到你們的新故宮計畫你們的計畫裡面有提到要整建故宮北院南側的老舊建築群那其中呢就有我看這個計畫裡面的子計畫的第9項\n31397\t48802\t他是講說是在有一個叫做青少年兒童教育中心的項目要讓服務升級好那我想了解喔就這裡面的青少年兒童教育中心以及這個家庭中心和現在的北院的兒童學藝中心是相同的項目嗎\n49947\t72033\t跟委員報告這是一個誤解因為當初新故宮計畫的時候是有這樣的一個規劃但是後來考量實際上如果說把那個兒少的就是那個兒童教育中心放在那個南院的話那南院跟北院的紀律就是說他抽離他的那個展場\n72913\t98686\t所以後來的話我才會重新跟同仁討論就是說那個兒少中心的話就設在故宮的東側原來的第二辦公室的地方然後另外連結他旁邊的舊的四棟宿舍變成是一個探索館所以現在這樣的話他就整個跟跟故宮的政管連結就故宮的地下一樓的話有一個就是入口的還是\n100907\t126880\t院長用這一張來跟我說明一下好了故宮的B1的話近期它有一個兒育中心這個兒育中心的話未來我們還是會留著這個是所以這個地方不變嗎只是說增加了青少年教育跟兒童教育中心這樣子讓一般的閃課或是沒有預約的來然後之後的話就是兒童教育中心兒童教育中心的話就是\n127980\t140953\t現在的那個原來的第二行政辦公大樓現在已經在7月的時候已經已經完成了已經開始辦理教育推廣活動另外的話4棟的那個宿舍的話那基本上來講的話我們會進行規劃因為原來在新故宮計劃裡面並沒有包括這4棟的宿舍\n146278\t173003\t那另外的話兒益中心就原來第二班公大樓的話原來叫兒益中心可是現在的推廣教育的話就不會指這兒童就說我們會做樂齡會做那個銀髮就說基本上來講 報告長院長我覺得我現在我想確認一件事就是說好我們有學益中心不變對不對他就是給散課我們現在有探索中心結合了青少兒童家庭的部分這部分就是來做推廣課程\n174183\t187214\t對對吧但是這個部分的話他會變成是一個有預約式的課程對我知道他就是一個推廣預約的活動嗎然後讓學校可能可以來預約課程之類的嗎對不對所以現在是在已經第二行政大樓已經在7月的時候開始營運了對嗎對好\n189136\t216611\t那我想了解一下就是說因為現在剛剛還有講到一個探索中心這個探索中心是包含了就是我剛剛講的這些全部所以那個四棟建宿舍跟這個完全沒有關係對嗎沒有那個所有的探索館就是四棟的舊的宿舍我要把它改成是一個推廣教育的探索中心探索中心的話譬如說裡面有一棟的話是可以做數位的影音沒關係院長我釐清一下好了就是說\n218872\t224347\t所以那個探索中心也就是你剛剛講的這個在第二行政大樓裡面的這四個宿舍對不對?\n225185\t228646\t對於單字量尚不足的學齡兒童來說﹖或者是說對於家長對於3C有concern的部分﹖\n251332\t251693\t我知道 我知道 我知道\n266406\t292272\t但是在未來的推廣教育的話基本上來講DIY互動的部分就會增多所以我是想要強調這個部分那我想就是說現在看起來有些詳細的規劃那可能也開始舉辦了一些課程那是不是可以把這個現在已經舉辦的課程以及來訪的年齡層相關的細節可不可以在一個禮拜內提供給我這個報告好不好讓我們來看看裡面還可以怎麼樣一起來努力那再來就是說其實我也想要跟這個\n295376\t318673\t部長來討論一下就是說其實這個是在我剛剛聽到很多委員都在講就是這個百年故宮啊然後這個我們必須要傳承台灣的歷史啊那我其實自己過去其實也追蹤了過上次在諮詢的時候也有問院長就是說我們在北院15歲以下的兒童到訪的人次是相對少的\n319874\t339111\t我們南院是多的因為我們活動很精彩很豐富可是我們北院來說相對是少的但是我也認為就是說孩子必須要從小就開始學習進入到博物館裡面去了解台灣的歷史發生了什麼事情那這是我從英國的VNM Museum他其實有做一個就是Museum of Childhood就是童年的部分\n340192\t365315\t展示了不同世代的英國兒童的童年這個是在2018年的時候新加坡也策了一個展就在講不同世代的一個遊戲場我覺得這個主題對小孩來說非常有趣所以我在想提供一個解方我們先希望吸引更小的小朋友他可以進來遊戲場進來這個博物館我覺得遊戲場可能是一個很好的主題因為對他來說他會覺得感同身受\n366096\t394391\t會很有興趣但可能就是一個很好的媒介讓他進入到博物館所以我在想如果我們明年有經費的話是不是可以來測一個這樣子的展呢好那個我請我們同仁來研究看看那跟我們報告未來的4的舊的宿舍基本上來講的話就等於4個展場對所以它裡面的話它可以調整的空間對我想我們是不是可以來考慮一下因為其實這個其實有蠻多博物館都有做類似的展覽好\n395171\t415071\t好那再來就下一個就是說我們現在的多媒體導覽在成人的部分我們有那個台語跟客語就是國家本土語言的部分那我們在兒童的部分因為其實就有很多的這樣跟我反映啊他的小孩本土就一般的生活對話都是可以用台語進行的可是當他要去了解一些更深層的藝術的知識的時候\n417153\t425400\t他就不知道怎麼跟他小孩講所以我覺得故宮其實也可以承擔這樣子的責任來開發兒童版本的台語跟客語的導覽這部分是不是可行呢?\n429135\t447647\t臺語的導覽的話我原來在國立臺灣美術館做過 課題的話倒沒有那這樣看起來之前院長有經驗嘛我們是不是可以來發展這個給兒童的版本一起來傳承母語附贈的任務如果成為一個導覽的書籍的版本我們可以來研究\n452190\t469241\t我們可以來研究喔,那我們是不是可以來到時候也給我一個詳細的一個期程,你們大概什麼時候可以研究好不好?對,因為現在最大的問題對故宮最大的問題的話就是因為故宮的展覽活動很多,如果越多語言的話那個翻譯的即時性是一個很大的負擔,那以目前來講的話\n470402\t494939\t除了說未來AI可以提議人：因為成人的導覽都已經有台語跟客語了啦其實一些基本的字我想也不需要整份全部把它變成是兒童的版本嘛因為兒童會能夠理解的我想我們也有兒少親自委員會嘛我們其實也可以跟他來請教我們可以針對哪個部分來強化好不好這個部分請院長一定要來幫忙啦好不好讓我們的孩子也可以從不同的本土語言來了解我們台灣的文化跟歷史\n495860\t497262\t我們這次要去這個大阪萬博展\n505177\t532879\t我是想要做個小小的提醒啦因為其實到時候萬博展一定會吸引非常非常多的國際旅客去參訪那其實大家也都有提到故宮的國際旅客一直在下降所以我覺得這是一個很好的機會來吸引我們的國際旅客但是我們還是希望說在這裡面的策展的內容呢也要去強調我們台灣的一個本土歷史讓大家更了解台灣然後我們也希望可以藉由這個活動呢可能來去串聯未來大家來到故宮的時候可以去看到\n534600\t537322\t臺灣故宮更豐富的一個館長：這個部分可不可以請院長來特別注意一下?\n564480\t576681\t﹗\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們有請院長有請蕭院長張院長院長早,就是說首先我現在會最關心我在乎的這個兒少議題就是說我看到你們的新故宮計畫你們的計畫裡面有提到要整建故宮北院南側的老舊建築群那其中呢就有我看這個計畫裡面的子計畫的第9項\n他是講說是在有一個叫做青少年兒童教育中心的項目要讓服務升級好那我想了解喔就這裡面的青少年兒童教育中心以及這個家庭中心和現在的北院的兒童學藝中心是相同的項目嗎\n跟委員報告這是一個誤解因為當初新故宮計畫的時候是有這樣的一個規劃但是後來考量實際上如果說把那個兒少的就是那個兒童教育中心放在那個南院的話那南院跟北院的紀律就是說他抽離他的那個展場\n所以後來的話我才會重新跟同仁討論就是說那個兒少中心的話就設在故宮的東側原來的第二辦公室的地方然後另外連結他旁邊的舊的四棟宿舍變成是一個探索館所以現在這樣的話他就整個跟跟故宮的政管連結就故宮的地下一樓的話有一個就是入口的還是\n院長用這一張來跟我說明一下好了故宮的B1的話近期它有一個兒育中心這個兒育中心的話未來我們還是會留著這個是所以這個地方不變嗎只是說增加了青少年教育跟兒童教育中心這樣子讓一般的閃課或是沒有預約的來然後之後的話就是兒童教育中心兒童教育中心的話就是\n現在的那個原來的第二行政辦公大樓現在已經在7月的時候已經已經完成了已經開始辦理教育推廣活動另外的話4棟的那個宿舍的話那基本上來講的話我們會進行規劃因為原來在新故宮計劃裡面並沒有包括這4棟的宿舍\n那另外的話兒益中心就原來第二班公大樓的話原來叫兒益中心可是現在的推廣教育的話就不會指這兒童就說我們會做樂齡會做那個銀髮就說基本上來講 報告長院長我覺得我現在我想確認一件事就是說好我們有學益中心不變對不對他就是給散課我們現在有探索中心結合了青少兒童家庭的部分這部分就是來做推廣課程\n對對吧但是這個部分的話他會變成是一個有預約式的課程對我知道他就是一個推廣預約的活動嗎然後讓學校可能可以來預約課程之類的嗎對不對所以現在是在已經第二行政大樓已經在7月的時候開始營運了對嗎對好\n那我想了解一下就是說因為現在剛剛還有講到一個探索中心這個探索中心是包含了就是我剛剛講的這些全部所以那個四棟建宿舍跟這個完全沒有關係對嗎沒有那個所有的探索館就是四棟的舊的宿舍我要把它改成是一個推廣教育的探索中心探索中心的話譬如說裡面有一棟的話是可以做數位的影音沒關係院長我釐清一下好了就是說\n所以那個探索中心也就是你剛剛講的這個在第二行政大樓裡面的這四個宿舍對不對?\n對於單字量尚不足的學齡兒童來說﹖或者是說對於家長對於3C有concern的部分﹖\n我知道 我知道 我知道\n但是在未來的推廣教育的話基本上來講DIY互動的部分就會增多所以我是想要強調這個部分那我想就是說現在看起來有些詳細的規劃那可能也開始舉辦了一些課程那是不是可以把這個現在已經舉辦的課程以及來訪的年齡層相關的細節可不可以在一個禮拜內提供給我這個報告好不好讓我們來看看裡面還可以怎麼樣一起來努力那再來就是說其實我也想要跟這個\n部長來討論一下就是說其實這個是在我剛剛聽到很多委員都在講就是這個百年故宮啊然後這個我們必須要傳承台灣的歷史啊那我其實自己過去其實也追蹤了過上次在諮詢的時候也有問院長就是說我們在北院15歲以下的兒童到訪的人次是相對少的\n我們南院是多的因為我們活動很精彩很豐富可是我們北院來說相對是少的但是我也認為就是說孩子必須要從小就開始學習進入到博物館裡面去了解台灣的歷史發生了什麼事情那這是我從英國的VNM Museum他其實有做一個就是Museum of Childhood就是童年的部分\n展示了不同世代的英國兒童的童年這個是在2018年的時候新加坡也策了一個展就在講不同世代的一個遊戲場我覺得這個主題對小孩來說非常有趣所以我在想提供一個解方我們先希望吸引更小的小朋友他可以進來遊戲場進來這個博物館我覺得遊戲場可能是一個很好的主題因為對他來說他會覺得感同身受\n會很有興趣但可能就是一個很好的媒介讓他進入到博物館所以我在想如果我們明年有經費的話是不是可以來測一個這樣子的展呢好那個我請我們同仁來研究看看那跟我們報告未來的4的舊的宿舍基本上來講的話就等於4個展場對所以它裡面的話它可以調整的空間對我想我們是不是可以來考慮一下因為其實這個其實有蠻多博物館都有做類似的展覽好\n好那再來就下一個就是說我們現在的多媒體導覽在成人的部分我們有那個台語跟客語就是國家本土語言的部分那我們在兒童的部分因為其實就有很多的這樣跟我反映啊他的小孩本土就一般的生活對話都是可以用台語進行的可是當他要去了解一些更深層的藝術的知識的時候\n他就不知道怎麼跟他小孩講所以我覺得故宮其實也可以承擔這樣子的責任來開發兒童版本的台語跟客語的導覽這部分是不是可行呢?\n臺語的導覽的話我原來在國立臺灣美術館做過 課題的話倒沒有那這樣看起來之前院長有經驗嘛我們是不是可以來發展這個給兒童的版本一起來傳承母語附贈的任務如果成為一個導覽的書籍的版本我們可以來研究\n我們可以來研究喔,那我們是不是可以來到時候也給我一個詳細的一個期程,你們大概什麼時候可以研究好不好?對,因為現在最大的問題對故宮最大的問題的話就是因為故宮的展覽活動很多,如果越多語言的話那個翻譯的即時性是一個很大的負擔,那以目前來講的話\n除了說未來AI可以提議人：因為成人的導覽都已經有台語跟客語了啦其實一些基本的字我想也不需要整份全部把它變成是兒童的版本嘛因為兒童會能夠理解的我想我們也有兒少親自委員會嘛我們其實也可以跟他來請教我們可以針對哪個部分來強化好不好這個部分請院長一定要來幫忙啦好不好讓我們的孩子也可以從不同的本土語言來了解我們台灣的文化跟歷史\n我們這次要去這個大阪萬博展\n我是想要做個小小的提醒啦因為其實到時候萬博展一定會吸引非常非常多的國際旅客去參訪那其實大家也都有提到故宮的國際旅客一直在下降所以我覺得這是一個很好的機會來吸引我們的國際旅客但是我們還是希望說在這裡面的策展的內容呢也要去強調我們台灣的一個本土歷史讓大家更了解台灣然後我們也希望可以藉由這個活動呢可能來去串聯未來大家來到故宮的時候可以去看到\n臺灣故宮更豐富的一個館長：這個部分可不可以請院長來特別注意一下?\n﹗\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.148 --> 00:28.516\n謝謝主席,我們有請院長有請蕭院長張院長院長早,就是說首先我現在會最關心我在乎的這個兒少議題就是說我看到你們的新故宮計畫你們的計畫裡面有提到要整建故宮北院南側的老舊建築群那其中呢就有我看這個計畫裡面的子計畫的第9項\n\n00:31.397 --> 00:48.802\n他是講說是在有一個叫做青少年兒童教育中心的項目要讓服務升級好那我想了解喔就這裡面的青少年兒童教育中心以及這個家庭中心和現在的北院的兒童學藝中心是相同的項目嗎\n\n00:49.947 --> 01:12.033\n跟委員報告這是一個誤解因為當初新故宮計畫的時候是有這樣的一個規劃但是後來考量實際上如果說把那個兒少的就是那個兒童教育中心放在那個南院的話那南院跟北院的紀律就是說他抽離他的那個展場\n\n01:12.913 --> 01:38.686\n所以後來的話我才會重新跟同仁討論就是說那個兒少中心的話就設在故宮的東側原來的第二辦公室的地方然後另外連結他旁邊的舊的四棟宿舍變成是一個探索館所以現在這樣的話他就整個跟跟故宮的政管連結就故宮的地下一樓的話有一個就是入口的還是\n\n01:40.907 --> 02:06.880\n院長用這一張來跟我說明一下好了故宮的B1的話近期它有一個兒育中心這個兒育中心的話未來我們還是會留著這個是所以這個地方不變嗎只是說增加了青少年教育跟兒童教育中心這樣子讓一般的閃課或是沒有預約的來然後之後的話就是兒童教育中心兒童教育中心的話就是\n\n02:07.980 --> 02:20.953\n現在的那個原來的第二行政辦公大樓現在已經在7月的時候已經已經完成了已經開始辦理教育推廣活動另外的話4棟的那個宿舍的話那基本上來講的話我們會進行規劃因為原來在新故宮計劃裡面並沒有包括這4棟的宿舍\n\n02:26.278 --> 02:53.003\n那另外的話兒益中心就原來第二班公大樓的話原來叫兒益中心可是現在的推廣教育的話就不會指這兒童就說我們會做樂齡會做那個銀髮就說基本上來講報告長院長我覺得我現在我想確認一件事就是說好我們有學益中心不變對不對他就是給散課我們現在有探索中心結合了青少兒童家庭的部分這部分就是來做推廣課程\n\n02:54.183 --> 03:07.214\n對對吧但是這個部分的話他會變成是一個有預約式的課程對我知道他就是一個推廣預約的活動嗎然後讓學校可能可以來預約課程之類的嗎對不對所以現在是在已經第二行政大樓已經在7月的時候開始營運了對嗎對好\n\n03:09.136 --> 03:36.611\n那我想了解一下就是說因為現在剛剛還有講到一個探索中心這個探索中心是包含了就是我剛剛講的這些全部所以那個四棟建宿舍跟這個完全沒有關係對嗎沒有那個所有的探索館就是四棟的舊的宿舍我要把它改成是一個推廣教育的探索中心探索中心的話譬如說裡面有一棟的話是可以做數位的影音沒關係院長我釐清一下好了就是說\n\n03:38.872 --> 03:44.347\n所以那個探索中心也就是你剛剛講的這個在第二行政大樓裡面的這四個宿舍對不對?\n\n03:45.185 --> 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