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00:02:27,894\n那園區管理機構你們現在打算因為我們現在在你們書面的資料裡面目前只有看到所謂PCM的工程管理的規劃那去做這些建設性的規劃就是營造工程方面的管理但是對於園區的管理這個事情目前我們沒有看到在這裡面有更進一步的資訊或者說所謂的另一個單位是什麼民間單位嗎BOT嗎\n\n7\n00:02:30,657 --> 00:02:34,040\n中科院有跟民間廠商尤其對於民間的廠商進行管理的經驗嗎?因為我們上個禮拜考察的時候我們去看了有一個軍民通用中心\n\n8\n00:02:52,798 --> 00:03:07,258\n我現在想問像中科院的軍民通用中心現在面積是多少?然後有多少運員?那也包括這個有多少進駐的廠商?原區的面積大概17公頃\n\n9\n00:03:08,908 --> 00:03:33,786\n中科院的院員只有80人進駐的廠商總共19家對那現在這裡面當然我們看到這個中心裡面有所謂的廠商的生產線可是我們當然有點擔心說到底中科院有沒有管理產業園區的經驗尤其是未來假如是有上百家的民間廠商假如要進駐的話這個部分中科院有管理的能力嗎\n\n10\n00:03:35,171 --> 00:04:04,262\n我老實講其實我們自己對這一點也很懷疑你們很懷疑?那你們打算怎麼辦?你這樣講我們就擔心了因為它是在118年開始營運但是我們現在期待整個壓縮117年開始營運所以說這個問題我們也希望等進駐的廠商在我們明年PCM去訪商確定之後有哪些進駐的廠商部長你剛才在講有沒有看到你右邊顧部長的臉都歪了\n\n11\n00:04:06,835 --> 00:04:31,028\n因為中科院真的從來沒有管理一個園區的經驗說實話我們還在但是現在你們已經被要求要承擔這個角色了我講實話就是我們在努力你們在努力那個院長我知道這是一個很大的重責大任你剛才講到說你們這裡面的人員只有80位就是說如果我給你們幾個參考的經驗\n\n12\n00:04:33,829 --> 00:04:55,841\n因為我們現在看到這個軍民通用中心它其實比較像是一個產業育成中心其實裡面沒有生產線沒有廠房跟我們現在預想的所謂無人機產業園區其實明顯是不太一樣的狀態這你們應該心裡很清楚那無人機本身其實它是一個高科技產品坦白說我覺得台灣並不是沒有管理高科技產業園區的經驗當然不是沒有\n\n13\n00:04:58,642 --> 00:05:19,655\n我們過去國科會包括這個園區管理局等等等我們都有這些相關的經驗可是確實今天大家是希望由中科院來管的一個很重要的原因是因為大家原本設想這是一個所謂跟軍民協力嘛對不對我們很難把這個單位去外包去BOT出去給另外的人來管這裡面涉及到也許很多軍事上面的機密所以我自己還是認為\n\n14\n00:05:20,535 --> 00:05:43,060\n要交由國防部或者是中科院來管我覺得這是正確的裡面有很多機敏的資訊你沒有辦法全面交給一個民間廠商來管我覺得這方向是正確但現在重點是到底怎麼樣能夠快速的讓中科院管理產業園區的經驗真的能夠長出來我想先看一下下面一張我如果我們看一下科學園區管理局大家可以看一下\n\n15\n00:05:44,213 --> 00:06:08,684\n園區管理局他目前的員工是472位那進駐的廠商總共三個園區加錢進駐廠商一千多家其實如果我們仔細去看的話每人大概管理是10.8公頃包括每人其實協助就如果以管理人數來除的話每人是協助2.4家廠商坦白說你需要人你需要管理的經驗你需要錢那尤其包括我也要問部長因為\n\n16\n00:06:09,963 --> 00:06:35,936\n部長你的屬下剛剛講了實話說他也很懷疑自己有沒有管理的經驗部長你要不要講一下你對這個看法怎樣我認為就是要找有園區管理經驗的人然後跟他們進行交流之外然後讓這些有經驗的人能夠被中科院所招募進來然後進行這個園區的管理我們還有時間來做這些事情\n\n17\n00:06:36,596 --> 00:07:04,593\n其實時間並沒有很多部長你應該心裡很清楚因為我們把很多的時程也提前了所以我會督促中科院來盡快的來進行就是說就如同委員說前我們並不是沒有在臺灣並不是沒有這些管理這個園區經驗的人那我們針對這些有管理園區經驗的人我們要進行經驗的交流我們也要招募這樣的人才來負責這樣子的一個園區的管理\n\n18\n00:07:04,673 --> 00:07:21,100\n部長,其實我覺得你講了很多的重點,但我這邊還是想要說,其實我們過去大概,我們也去請教了像園區管理局,就是這個國科會下的園區管理局,他們只是也在講說,其實就一個科學園區裡面,當然前面有好幾個重要的管理的議題,比方說\n\n19\n00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:42,766\n第一個環境跟公安這裡面我們其實這幾年其實臺灣的科學園區發展的是還不錯的但是過去我們也犯過錯但是現在做得還不錯那包括燒傷跟審查尤其是審查端我認為在無人機的產業園區裡面大概這部分更重要因為會有很多機敏的部分其實你需要去做檢核再來一個是關於園區的安全管制\n\n20\n00:07:43,386 --> 00:08:10,668\n這些大概都是一個科學園區或者是高科技的園區要進行管理的時候其實這些重要的課題但我們坦白說在今天質詢前也詢問了中科院確實你們中科院跟我們反映的事情是你們對這些事情都相當的陌生你們可能知道自己怎麼拉你們自己的生產線但對於我要可能要去面對數百個相關的廠商這件事情你們我自己我自己感覺你們也相當的\n\n21\n00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,943\n中科院應該從現在開始就來找國科會包括他們的這個科學園區管理局\n\n22\n00:08:31,104 --> 00:08:56,645\n到底在前面建制的階段現在要做哪些的準備哪裡有相關的人才哪些議題哪些事情包括在前端尤其是廠商進駐前廠商規劃他到底要怎麼進駐他也需要時間他也要知道你的要求是什麼而不是趴一聲只是直接進來而已我覺得這些事情恐怕我自己是期待國防部趕快督促院長中科院\n\n23\n00:08:57,426 --> 00:09:12,653\n我們趕快把這些事情給工作這真的不是只有PCM工程管理的部分現在我們只寫了PCM工程管理我覺得是有點太輕誤也太小看接下來這整個大家非常非常看重的無人機的管理園區這部分希望部長我們應該是可以強化來督導應該沒問題吧\n\n24\n00:09:14,654 --> 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洪委其實今天在質詢前我想也先跟兩位召委致意因為我們連續兩週那很快速的安排委員會到安排無人機的考察跟質詢這是大家非常關注的議題\n25084\t49910\t那也請部長跟院長其實我其實在看了讀你們提供的報告裡面其實當然大家都這樣現在都很清楚知道無人機的重要性那尤其是在烏克蘭戰爭裡面其實烏克蘭確實是利用無人機去做到這個對不對稱戰力的補強那才有辦法能夠走到現在的以小博大的這個狀況\n53151\t75892\t今年8月行政院其實核定了無人機產業園區的預算由中科院來負責園區的規劃跟設置看起來一個很重要的原則是所謂軍民協力這當然我們都認為是一個正確的方向尤其是中國的大疆無人機其實它當然早就有解放軍科技的扶植再加上\n77594\t79174\t在今年的8月責成中科院去設置與運為無人機產業園區的時候\n106801\t123640\t目前有沒有提到園區管理單位打算怎麼做的確當時在8月23號行政院決議由我們來規劃設計的時候同時也說未來營運由中科院但是獨立成立另外一個園區的管理機構\n124434\t147894\t那園區管理機構你們現在打算因為我們現在在你們書面的資料裡面目前只有看到所謂PCM的工程管理的規劃那去做這些建設性的規劃就是營造工程方面的管理但是對於園區的管理這個事情目前我們沒有看到在這裡面有更進一步的資訊或者說所謂的另一個單位是什麼民間單位嗎BOT嗎\n150657\t154040\t中科院有跟民間廠商尤其對於民間的廠商進行管理的經驗嗎?因為我們上個禮拜考察的時候我們去看了有一個軍民通用中心\n172798\t187258\t我現在想問像中科院的軍民通用中心現在面積是多少?然後有多少運員?那也包括這個有多少進駐的廠商?原區的面積大概17公頃\n188908\t213786\t中科院的院員只有80人進駐的廠商總共19家對 那現在這裡面當然我們看到這個中心裡面有所謂的廠商的生產線可是我們當然有點擔心說到底中科院有沒有管理產業園區的經驗尤其是未來假如是有上百家的民間廠商假如要進駐的話這個部分中科院有管理的能力嗎\n215171\t244262\t我老實講其實我們自己對這一點也很懷疑你們很懷疑?那你們打算怎麼辦?你這樣講我們就擔心了因為它是在118年開始營運但是我們現在期待整個壓縮117年開始營運所以說這個問題我們也希望等進駐的廠商在我們明年PCM去訪商確定之後有哪些進駐的廠商部長你剛才在講有沒有看到你右邊顧部長的臉都歪了\n246835\t271028\t因為中科院真的從來沒有管理一個園區的經驗說實話我們還在但是現在你們已經被要求要承擔這個角色了我講實話就是我們在努力你們在努力那個院長我知道這是一個很大的重責大任你剛才講到說你們這裡面的人員只有80位就是說如果我給你們幾個參考的經驗\n273829\t295841\t因為我們現在看到這個軍民通用中心它其實比較像是一個產業育成中心其實裡面沒有生產線沒有廠房跟我們現在預想的所謂無人機產業園區其實明顯是不太一樣的狀態這你們應該心裡很清楚那無人機本身其實它是一個高科技產品坦白說我覺得台灣並不是沒有管理高科技產業園區的經驗當然不是沒有\n298642\t319655\t我們過去國科會包括這個園區管理局等等等我們都有這些相關的經驗可是確實今天大家是希望由中科院來管的一個很重要的原因是因為大家原本設想這是一個所謂跟軍民協力嘛對不對我們很難把這個單位去外包去BOT出去給另外的人來管這裡面涉及到也許很多軍事上面的機密所以我自己還是認為\n320535\t343060\t要交由國防部或者是中科院來管我覺得這是正確的裡面有很多機敏的資訊你沒有辦法全面交給一個民間廠商來管我覺得這方向是正確但現在重點是到底怎麼樣能夠快速的讓中科院管理產業園區的經驗真的能夠長出來我想先看一下下面一張我如果我們看一下科學園區管理局大家可以看一下\n344213\t368684\t園區管理局他目前的員工是472位那進駐的廠商總共三個園區加錢進駐廠商一千多家其實如果我們仔細去看的話每人大概管理是10.8公頃包括每人其實協助就如果以管理人數來除的話每人是協助2.4家廠商坦白說你需要人你需要管理的經驗你需要錢那尤其包括我也要問部長因為\n369963\t395936\t部長你的屬下剛剛講了實話說他也很懷疑自己有沒有管理的經驗部長你要不要講一下你對這個看法怎樣我認為就是要找有園區管理經驗的人然後跟他們進行交流之外然後讓這些有經驗的人能夠被中科院所招募進來然後進行這個園區的管理我們還有時間來做這些事情\n396596\t424593\t其實時間並沒有很多部長你應該心裡很清楚因為我們把很多的時程也提前了所以我會督促中科院來盡快的來進行就是說就如同委員說前我們並不是沒有在臺灣並不是沒有這些管理這個園區經驗的人那我們針對這些有管理園區經驗的人我們要進行經驗的交流我們也要招募這樣的人才來負責這樣子的一個園區的管理\n424673\t441100\t部長,其實我覺得你講了很多的重點,但我這邊還是想要說,其實我們過去大概,我們也去請教了像園區管理局,就是這個國科會下的園區管理局,他們只是也在講說,其實就一個科學園區裡面,當然前面有好幾個重要的管理的議題,比方說\n442000\t462766\t第一個環境跟公安這裡面我們其實這幾年其實臺灣的科學園區發展的是還不錯的但是過去我們也犯過錯但是現在做得還不錯那包括燒傷跟審查尤其是審查端我認為在無人機的產業園區裡面大概這部分更重要因為會有很多機敏的部分其實你需要去做檢核再來一個是關於園區的安全管制\n463386\t490668\t這些大概都是一個科學園區或者是高科技的園區要進行管理的時候其實這些重要的課題但我們坦白說在今天質詢前也詢問了中科院確實你們中科院跟我們反映的事情是你們對這些事情都相當的陌生你們可能知道自己怎麼拉你們自己的生產線但對於我要可能要去面對數百個相關的廠商這件事情你們我自己我自己感覺你們也相當的\n492600\t494943\t中科院應該從現在開始就來找國科會包括他們的這個科學園區管理局\n511104\t536645\t到底在前面建制的階段現在要做哪些的準備哪裡有相關的人才哪些議題哪些事情包括在前端尤其是廠商進駐前廠商規劃他到底要怎麼進駐他也需要時間他也要知道你的要求是什麼而不是趴一聲只是直接進來而已我覺得這些事情恐怕我自己是期待國防部趕快督促院長中科院\n537426\t552653\t我們趕快把這些事情給工作這真的不是只有PCM工程管理的部分現在我們只寫了PCM工程管理我覺得是有點太輕誤也太小看接下來這整個大家非常非常看重的無人機的管理園區這部分希望部長我們應該是可以強化來督導應該沒問題吧\n554654\t578408\t是,謝謝委員的提醒我想我們就立即請中科院來跟這個管理科學園區的這個單位甚至也包括可能包括像經濟部經濟部跟這個國科會趕快來請教那我自己是希望說能不能夠在三個月內有一些初步請教至少你們對這事情相對重要的掌握可以給我們一份初步的報告我知道三個月可能沒有辦法\n578908\t579028\t主席\n","txt":"請顧部長跟中科院請顧部長是 洪委其實今天在質詢前我想也先跟兩位召委致意因為我們連續兩週那很快速的安排委員會到安排無人機的考察跟質詢這是大家非常關注的議題\n那也請部長跟院長其實我其實在看了讀你們提供的報告裡面其實當然大家都這樣現在都很清楚知道無人機的重要性那尤其是在烏克蘭戰爭裡面其實烏克蘭確實是利用無人機去做到這個對不對稱戰力的補強那才有辦法能夠走到現在的以小博大的這個狀況\n今年8月行政院其實核定了無人機產業園區的預算由中科院來負責園區的規劃跟設置看起來一個很重要的原則是所謂軍民協力這當然我們都認為是一個正確的方向尤其是中國的大疆無人機其實它當然早就有解放軍科技的扶植再加上\n在今年的8月責成中科院去設置與運為無人機產業園區的時候\n目前有沒有提到園區管理單位打算怎麼做的確當時在8月23號行政院決議由我們來規劃設計的時候同時也說未來營運由中科院但是獨立成立另外一個園區的管理機構\n那園區管理機構你們現在打算因為我們現在在你們書面的資料裡面目前只有看到所謂PCM的工程管理的規劃那去做這些建設性的規劃就是營造工程方面的管理但是對於園區的管理這個事情目前我們沒有看到在這裡面有更進一步的資訊或者說所謂的另一個單位是什麼民間單位嗎BOT嗎\n中科院有跟民間廠商尤其對於民間的廠商進行管理的經驗嗎?因為我們上個禮拜考察的時候我們去看了有一個軍民通用中心\n我現在想問像中科院的軍民通用中心現在面積是多少?然後有多少運員?那也包括這個有多少進駐的廠商?原區的面積大概17公頃\n中科院的院員只有80人進駐的廠商總共19家對 那現在這裡面當然我們看到這個中心裡面有所謂的廠商的生產線可是我們當然有點擔心說到底中科院有沒有管理產業園區的經驗尤其是未來假如是有上百家的民間廠商假如要進駐的話這個部分中科院有管理的能力嗎\n我老實講其實我們自己對這一點也很懷疑你們很懷疑?那你們打算怎麼辦?你這樣講我們就擔心了因為它是在118年開始營運但是我們現在期待整個壓縮117年開始營運所以說這個問題我們也希望等進駐的廠商在我們明年PCM去訪商確定之後有哪些進駐的廠商部長你剛才在講有沒有看到你右邊顧部長的臉都歪了\n因為中科院真的從來沒有管理一個園區的經驗說實話我們還在但是現在你們已經被要求要承擔這個角色了我講實話就是我們在努力你們在努力那個院長我知道這是一個很大的重責大任你剛才講到說你們這裡面的人員只有80位就是說如果我給你們幾個參考的經驗\n因為我們現在看到這個軍民通用中心它其實比較像是一個產業育成中心其實裡面沒有生產線沒有廠房跟我們現在預想的所謂無人機產業園區其實明顯是不太一樣的狀態這你們應該心裡很清楚那無人機本身其實它是一個高科技產品坦白說我覺得台灣並不是沒有管理高科技產業園區的經驗當然不是沒有\n我們過去國科會包括這個園區管理局等等等我們都有這些相關的經驗可是確實今天大家是希望由中科院來管的一個很重要的原因是因為大家原本設想這是一個所謂跟軍民協力嘛對不對我們很難把這個單位去外包去BOT出去給另外的人來管這裡面涉及到也許很多軍事上面的機密所以我自己還是認為\n要交由國防部或者是中科院來管我覺得這是正確的裡面有很多機敏的資訊你沒有辦法全面交給一個民間廠商來管我覺得這方向是正確但現在重點是到底怎麼樣能夠快速的讓中科院管理產業園區的經驗真的能夠長出來我想先看一下下面一張我如果我們看一下科學園區管理局大家可以看一下\n園區管理局他目前的員工是472位那進駐的廠商總共三個園區加錢進駐廠商一千多家其實如果我們仔細去看的話每人大概管理是10.8公頃包括每人其實協助就如果以管理人數來除的話每人是協助2.4家廠商坦白說你需要人你需要管理的經驗你需要錢那尤其包括我也要問部長因為\n部長你的屬下剛剛講了實話說他也很懷疑自己有沒有管理的經驗部長你要不要講一下你對這個看法怎樣我認為就是要找有園區管理經驗的人然後跟他們進行交流之外然後讓這些有經驗的人能夠被中科院所招募進來然後進行這個園區的管理我們還有時間來做這些事情\n其實時間並沒有很多部長你應該心裡很清楚因為我們把很多的時程也提前了所以我會督促中科院來盡快的來進行就是說就如同委員說前我們並不是沒有在臺灣並不是沒有這些管理這個園區經驗的人那我們針對這些有管理園區經驗的人我們要進行經驗的交流我們也要招募這樣的人才來負責這樣子的一個園區的管理\n部長,其實我覺得你講了很多的重點,但我這邊還是想要說,其實我們過去大概,我們也去請教了像園區管理局,就是這個國科會下的園區管理局,他們只是也在講說,其實就一個科學園區裡面,當然前面有好幾個重要的管理的議題,比方說\n第一個環境跟公安這裡面我們其實這幾年其實臺灣的科學園區發展的是還不錯的但是過去我們也犯過錯但是現在做得還不錯那包括燒傷跟審查尤其是審查端我認為在無人機的產業園區裡面大概這部分更重要因為會有很多機敏的部分其實你需要去做檢核再來一個是關於園區的安全管制\n這些大概都是一個科學園區或者是高科技的園區要進行管理的時候其實這些重要的課題但我們坦白說在今天質詢前也詢問了中科院確實你們中科院跟我們反映的事情是你們對這些事情都相當的陌生你們可能知道自己怎麼拉你們自己的生產線但對於我要可能要去面對數百個相關的廠商這件事情你們我自己我自己感覺你們也相當的\n中科院應該從現在開始就來找國科會包括他們的這個科學園區管理局\n到底在前面建制的階段現在要做哪些的準備哪裡有相關的人才哪些議題哪些事情包括在前端尤其是廠商進駐前廠商規劃他到底要怎麼進駐他也需要時間他也要知道你的要求是什麼而不是趴一聲只是直接進來而已我覺得這些事情恐怕我自己是期待國防部趕快督促院長中科院\n我們趕快把這些事情給工作這真的不是只有PCM工程管理的部分現在我們只寫了PCM工程管理我覺得是有點太輕誤也太小看接下來這整個大家非常非常看重的無人機的管理園區這部分希望部長我們應該是可以強化來督導應該沒問題吧\n是,謝謝委員的提醒我想我們就立即請中科院來跟這個管理科學園區的這個單位甚至也包括可能包括像經濟部經濟部跟這個國科會趕快來請教那我自己是希望說能不能夠在三個月內有一些初步請教至少你們對這事情相對重要的掌握可以給我們一份初步的報告我知道三個月可能沒有辦法\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:03.431\n請顧部長跟中科院請顧部長是洪委其實今天在質詢前我想也先跟兩位召委致意因為我們連續兩週那很快速的安排委員會到安排無人機的考察跟質詢這是大家非常關注的議題\n\n00:25.084 --> 00:49.910\n那也請部長跟院長其實我其實在看了讀你們提供的報告裡面其實當然大家都這樣現在都很清楚知道無人機的重要性那尤其是在烏克蘭戰爭裡面其實烏克蘭確實是利用無人機去做到這個對不對稱戰力的補強那才有辦法能夠走到現在的以小博大的這個狀況\n\n00:53.151 --> 01:15.892\n今年8月行政院其實核定了無人機產業園區的預算由中科院來負責園區的規劃跟設置看起來一個很重要的原則是所謂軍民協力這當然我們都認為是一個正確的方向尤其是中國的大疆無人機其實它當然早就有解放軍科技的扶植再加上\n\n01:17.594 --> 01:19.174\n在今年的8月責成中科院去設置與運為無人機產業園區的時候\n\n01:46.801 --> 02:03.640\n目前有沒有提到園區管理單位打算怎麼做的確當時在8月23號行政院決議由我們來規劃設計的時候同時也說未來營運由中科院但是獨立成立另外一個園區的管理機構\n\n02:04.434 --> 02:27.894\n那園區管理機構你們現在打算因為我們現在在你們書面的資料裡面目前只有看到所謂PCM的工程管理的規劃那去做這些建設性的規劃就是營造工程方面的管理但是對於園區的管理這個事情目前我們沒有看到在這裡面有更進一步的資訊或者說所謂的另一個單位是什麼民間單位嗎BOT嗎\n\n02:30.657 --> 02:34.040\n中科院有跟民間廠商尤其對於民間的廠商進行管理的經驗嗎?因為我們上個禮拜考察的時候我們去看了有一個軍民通用中心\n\n02:52.798 --> 03:07.258\n我現在想問像中科院的軍民通用中心現在面積是多少?然後有多少運員?那也包括這個有多少進駐的廠商?原區的面積大概17公頃\n\n03:08.908 --> 03:33.786\n中科院的院員只有80人進駐的廠商總共19家對那現在這裡面當然我們看到這個中心裡面有所謂的廠商的生產線可是我們當然有點擔心說到底中科院有沒有管理產業園區的經驗尤其是未來假如是有上百家的民間廠商假如要進駐的話這個部分中科院有管理的能力嗎\n\n03:35.171 --> 04:04.262\n我老實講其實我們自己對這一點也很懷疑你們很懷疑?那你們打算怎麼辦?你這樣講我們就擔心了因為它是在118年開始營運但是我們現在期待整個壓縮117年開始營運所以說這個問題我們也希望等進駐的廠商在我們明年PCM去訪商確定之後有哪些進駐的廠商部長你剛才在講有沒有看到你右邊顧部長的臉都歪了\n\n04:06.835 --> 04:31.028\n因為中科院真的從來沒有管理一個園區的經驗說實話我們還在但是現在你們已經被要求要承擔這個角色了我講實話就是我們在努力你們在努力那個院長我知道這是一個很大的重責大任你剛才講到說你們這裡面的人員只有80位就是說如果我給你們幾個參考的經驗\n\n04:33.829 --> 04:55.841\n因為我們現在看到這個軍民通用中心它其實比較像是一個產業育成中心其實裡面沒有生產線沒有廠房跟我們現在預想的所謂無人機產業園區其實明顯是不太一樣的狀態這你們應該心裡很清楚那無人機本身其實它是一個高科技產品坦白說我覺得台灣並不是沒有管理高科技產業園區的經驗當然不是沒有\n\n04:58.642 --> 05:19.655\n我們過去國科會包括這個園區管理局等等等我們都有這些相關的經驗可是確實今天大家是希望由中科院來管的一個很重要的原因是因為大家原本設想這是一個所謂跟軍民協力嘛對不對我們很難把這個單位去外包去BOT出去給另外的人來管這裡面涉及到也許很多軍事上面的機密所以我自己還是認為\n\n05:20.535 --> 05:43.060\n要交由國防部或者是中科院來管我覺得這是正確的裡面有很多機敏的資訊你沒有辦法全面交給一個民間廠商來管我覺得這方向是正確但現在重點是到底怎麼樣能夠快速的讓中科院管理產業園區的經驗真的能夠長出來我想先看一下下面一張我如果我們看一下科學園區管理局大家可以看一下\n\n05:44.213 --> 06:08.684\n園區管理局他目前的員工是472位那進駐的廠商總共三個園區加錢進駐廠商一千多家其實如果我們仔細去看的話每人大概管理是10.8公頃包括每人其實協助就如果以管理人數來除的話每人是協助2.4家廠商坦白說你需要人你需要管理的經驗你需要錢那尤其包括我也要問部長因為\n\n06:09.963 --> 06:35.936\n部長你的屬下剛剛講了實話說他也很懷疑自己有沒有管理的經驗部長你要不要講一下你對這個看法怎樣我認為就是要找有園區管理經驗的人然後跟他們進行交流之外然後讓這些有經驗的人能夠被中科院所招募進來然後進行這個園區的管理我們還有時間來做這些事情\n\n06:36.596 --> 07:04.593\n其實時間並沒有很多部長你應該心裡很清楚因為我們把很多的時程也提前了所以我會督促中科院來盡快的來進行就是說就如同委員說前我們並不是沒有在臺灣並不是沒有這些管理這個園區經驗的人那我們針對這些有管理園區經驗的人我們要進行經驗的交流我們也要招募這樣的人才來負責這樣子的一個園區的管理\n\n07:04.673 --> 07:21.100\n部長,其實我覺得你講了很多的重點,但我這邊還是想要說,其實我們過去大概,我們也去請教了像園區管理局,就是這個國科會下的園區管理局,他們只是也在講說,其實就一個科學園區裡面,當然前面有好幾個重要的管理的議題,比方說\n\n07:22.000 --> 07:42.766\n第一個環境跟公安這裡面我們其實這幾年其實臺灣的科學園區發展的是還不錯的但是過去我們也犯過錯但是現在做得還不錯那包括燒傷跟審查尤其是審查端我認為在無人機的產業園區裡面大概這部分更重要因為會有很多機敏的部分其實你需要去做檢核再來一個是關於園區的安全管制\n\n07:43.386 --> 08:10.668\n這些大概都是一個科學園區或者是高科技的園區要進行管理的時候其實這些重要的課題但我們坦白說在今天質詢前也詢問了中科院確實你們中科院跟我們反映的事情是你們對這些事情都相當的陌生你們可能知道自己怎麼拉你們自己的生產線但對於我要可能要去面對數百個相關的廠商這件事情你們我自己我自己感覺你們也相當的\n\n08:12.600 --> 08:14.943\n中科院應該從現在開始就來找國科會包括他們的這個科學園區管理局\n\n08:31.104 --> 08:56.645\n到底在前面建制的階段現在要做哪些的準備哪裡有相關的人才哪些議題哪些事情包括在前端尤其是廠商進駐前廠商規劃他到底要怎麼進駐他也需要時間他也要知道你的要求是什麼而不是趴一聲只是直接進來而已我覺得這些事情恐怕我自己是期待國防部趕快督促院長中科院\n\n08:57.426 --> 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