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00:01:16,704\n還有公路客運相關的搭乘人次以及收入都明顯的減少那市區客運2019跟2023來比較2023已經減少了64萬人次這是市區客運公路客運就是跨縣市還有國道客運這種公路客運少了13萬\n\n5\n00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:46,100\n人次左右那相關的營收呢市區客運少了5.32%那公路客運少了41%更嚴重那我們公路局有初步的統計公路客運缺員大概772位駕駛那市區客運缺員大概1443位駕駛總共缺少了2215位駕駛\n\n6\n00:01:55,282 --> 00:02:17,279\n部長我先請教你你認為司機大幅減少原因是什麼來簡單說明一下如果以客運來說的話因為過去三年的疫情造成客運業他們的營運上面出現了問題所以大量的司機員流失這是第一個最重要的問題因為同時間流失了這麼大量之後要補齊其實不太容易那第二個就是說人才\n\n7\n00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:43,089\n流失了之後其實他有往貨運跑因為過去的疫情的過程當中貨運業其實狀況非常的好所以人才往那邊跑或者是外送員的部分也有一些人才往那邊跑也就是說就業多元化的部分讓很多的司機員往那個地方移動那第三個問題其實是因為這段時間其實大家對於服務業尤其是客運業的服務的要求相對的高那我們有些司機員有在反映說那這樣\n\n8\n00:02:43,609 --> 00:03:04,064\n很像開公車、開客運壓力相對大一些所以這個環境讓他們不太願意留在這裡部長就是說有受到疫情的衝擊啊讓這種搭乘的人數啊大幅的減少因為疫情衝擊大家都自行的騎車或者是開車那另外就是啊\n\n9\n00:03:04,904 --> 00:03:29,246\n新資的這個結構破碎化勞動條件的這樣的一個持續的惡化這也是對司機員減少的一個原因另外年齡結構也偏高現在老駕駛多新的補充人力也不足另外這都會嚴重的影響到公共運輸的安全這個是很嚴重的問題那針對我們相關的不管是\n\n10\n00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:51,467\n運量減少、收入減少、還有司機減少那交通部要有什麼具體的作為運量減少的部分當然我們會用一些比較優惠例如說T-pass的方式希望能夠讓我們的旅客跟通勤者會願意搭客運不要自己開車、不要自己騎車這個部分我們是這樣處理\n\n11\n00:03:52,808 --> 00:04:14,879\n那針對這個它的營收減少的部分其實我們在公路局的部分對於他們的補助客運業的補助其實也相對的相當多這段時間其實大家一直在努力協助這些客運業者那我相信客運業者也有感受到那第三個其實大家比較關注的議題是這個缺工的部分那缺工的部分一方面可以解決營收又可以解決薪資就是從運價面來處理\n\n12\n00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:36,445\n運價面我們第一個來處理讓它運價可以提升並且指定一部分的薪資是要流向薪資的部分來提升這個駕駛員的這個薪資那二方面是委員您剛剛有說到他們這個年齡偏大所以我們有開放到68歲以下都可以來開這個客運從65開放到68歲那這也讓這個流財應該有1000多人的流財\n\n13\n00:04:42,927 --> 00:05:07,220\n一千三百多人的這個人數有留下來那另外針對這個橋外生的部分我們也跟這個勞動部一起在努力他目前正在這個法制化的過程當中我們希望有一些外籍的移工跟橋外生可以補充到這方面的人力那另外針對這個徵才的補助方案其實公路局也提供了非常多的這個徵才的補助那目前我們也協助了\n\n14\n00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:29,657\n大概3000多人的這個人力的補充以上報告部長不管是放寬駕駛的年齡限制或者是相關的增採的一個補助或是相關的開放這樣這個外景的人力這樣的一個政策思考其實都是減緩問題的嚴重性而已那其實我們看日本\n\n15\n00:05:30,197 --> 00:05:57,373\n日本這樣面對大缺工他們估計到2040年為止相關的司機或是外送員、廠照人力會減少20%這是一個很嚴重的問題那我們相關的剛才提到的相關具體措施只是減緩問題的嚴重性而已我認為必須要改善勞動條件這個才是另外一個正確的方向\n\n16\n00:05:57,933 --> 00:06:11,347\n那我們從過去的司法判決裡面就是司機跟業者相關的因為勞資的糾紛透過司法途徑來處理那相關的資料有顯示統計薪資司機的薪資問題\n\n17\n00:06:14,890 --> 00:06:38,270\n明確地點出它的薪資破碎化薪資結構破碎化的這樣一個問題我們每月薪資大概是超過10個項目來組成不管是平均薪資大概是6至9萬但是它的玉石津貼佔了15%休息日的津貼佔了18%然後國定假日津貼佔了3%\n\n18\n00:06:40,471 --> 00:06:55,576\n加班津貼是達到36%所以說超過三分之一都是加班費這代表薪資的結構破碎化也代表勞動條件的持續惡化我先請教一下勞動部陳次長\n\n19\n00:06:59,656 --> 00:07:13,919\n陳次長我們勞動部針對司機的薪資結構我認為是必須要跟業者來對話相關的工資及工時要明確的定義化來請你簡單說明一下是謝委員的指教嗎\n\n20\n00:07:14,912 --> 00:07:38,760\n有關於汽車貨運業相關的司機的待遇確實他因為他的那個薪資的項目組成非常的複雜那這部分我們會跟交通部一起來來努力因為現在的狀況其實就是委員所指教的其實人口結構的改變然後缺工時代的來臨所以我們除了一方面要提升國內的勞參率之外一方面已經國外的\n\n21\n00:07:39,640 --> 00:08:06,447\n相關的技術人力但是在整個流財的部分最終還是取決於薪資跟勞動條件的情況能不能留住相應的財這就是我說所說的相關的這樣的一個薪資的結構破碎化的問題勞動條件持續惡化必須要去做改善這部分我們會跟交通部也請部長跟那個交通部跟勞動部必須來合作針對這個\n\n22\n00:08:08,908 --> 00:08:26,416\n駕駛的工資及工時還有薪資結構要明確的定義化另外我們針對相關的不管是薪資的結構、工資工時的定義化之後交通部也必須納入行政指導的項目裡面這個有沒有問題\n\n23\n00:08:30,275 --> 00:08:50,384\n最後的時間我佔用一點時間偽造車牌是逐年的增加這也增加造成交通的違法相關的數據都在上面我就不再多說這個部長跟局長也都非常清楚我們是希望具體的建議交通部應該要\n\n24\n00:08:53,257 --> 00:09:17,289\n研議相關偽造車牌的受害者免除更換牌照的這種製造費以及相關行政規範相關的費用另外也要研議針對偽造車牌者過去的違規行為因為偽造車牌無法查緝到的罰款要進行追繳研議針對使用偽造車牌的違規行為增加代保管車輛\n\n25\n00:09:18,570 --> 00:09:42,715\n必須要等到罰款繳清後才可領回還有累犯者的沒入車輛等等來部長簡單回應一下報告委員您所建議的第一項我們已經有跟這個財政部來做溝通那這個部分他們是給我們比較正面的訊息所以第一項應該是可以那第二三項的部分我們目前正在檢討當中我們都納入這些建議來檢討那目前也朝這個方向來檢討另外我們針對相關的\n\n26\n00:09:48,229 --> 00:10:12,182\n偽造車牌的這樣一個議題將必須提出短中長程跟明確的做法例如說我們短期的做法是不是能夠在完稅或者是驗車之後相關的來貼上一張黃尾的這樣的一個貼紙這樣來做一個基本的辨識這是短期比較可行的一個做法\n\n27\n00:10:12,802 --> 00:10:29,754\n那中長期那我們是不是針對相關的這種辨識的這樣的一個貼片在相關的可以透過我們的這種智慧的系統AI的辨識系統可以來做一個初步的認定\n\n28\n00:10:31,291 --> 00:10:51,739\n另外長期就是說是否可以植入晶片可以用這樣的一個路感的偵測器以及相關的這樣的一個警情的系統來做AR的一個辨識但是這個很重要長期的這個要只能作為辨識車牌之用不可以有其他的個資或其他的相關個人的資訊來請說明一下\n\n29\n00:10:54,220 --> 00:11:23,600\n報告委員您所說的第一項短期措施我們現在也正在努力我們希望明年就可以比較具體有一個短期的防偽功能要出來包括這個防偽貼紙的這個部分我們也納入討論那中長期的部分確實是長期應該要來建構的部分那我們也會跟公路局來討論說我們中長期的計畫是什麼因為大概用短期的這個防偽只能擋一陣子因為那個道高一尺魔高一丈有時候他們研發的速度很快那我們中長期的部分還是要趕快來思考\n\n30\n00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:26,764\n那有關於中期措施這種RFID黃尾標籤這個目前你們有在規劃嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:31,773 --> 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剛才提到的相關具體措施只是減緩問題的嚴重性而已我認為必須要改善勞動條件這個才是另外一個正確的方向\n357933\t371347\t那我們從過去的司法判決裡面就是司機跟業者相關的因為勞資的糾紛透過司法途徑來處理那相關的資料有顯示統計薪資司機的薪資問題\n374890\t398270\t明確地點出它的薪資破碎化薪資結構破碎化的這樣一個問題我們每月薪資大概是超過10個項目來組成不管是平均薪資大概是6至9萬但是它的玉石津貼佔了15%休息日的津貼佔了18%然後國定假日津貼佔了3%\n400471\t415576\t加班津貼是達到36%所以說超過三分之一都是加班費這代表薪資的結構破碎化也代表勞動條件的持續惡化我先請教一下勞動部陳次長\n419656\t433919\t陳次長 我們勞動部針對司機的薪資結構我認為是必須要跟業者來對話相關的工資及工時要明確的定義化來 請你簡單說明一下是謝委員的指教嗎\n434912\t458760\t有關於汽車貨運業相關的司機的待遇確實他因為他的那個薪資的項目組成非常的複雜那這部分我們會跟交通部一起來來努力因為現在的狀況其實就是委員所指教的其實人口結構的改變然後缺工時代的來臨所以我們除了一方面要提升國內的勞參率之外一方面已經國外的\n459640\t486447\t相關的技術人力但是在整個流財的部分最終還是取決於薪資跟勞動條件的情況能不能留住相應的財這就是我說所說的相關的這樣的一個薪資的結構破碎化的問題勞動條件持續惡化必須要去做改善這部分我們會跟交通部也請部長跟那個交通部跟勞動部必須來合作針對這個\n488908\t506416\t駕駛的工資及工時還有薪資結構要明確的定義化另外我們針對相關的不管是薪資的結構、工資工時的定義化之後交通部也必須納入行政指導的項目裡面這個有沒有問題\n510275\t530384\t最後的時間我佔用一點時間偽造車牌是逐年的增加這也增加造成交通的違法相關的數據都在上面我就不再多說這個部長跟局長也都非常清楚我們是希望具體的建議交通部應該要\n533257\t557289\t研議相關偽造車牌的受害者免除更換牌照的這種製造費以及相關行政規範相關的費用另外也要研議針對偽造車牌者過去的違規行為因為偽造車牌無法查緝到的罰款要進行追繳研議針對使用偽造車牌的違規行為增加代保管車輛\n558570\t582715\t必須要等到罰款繳清後才可領回還有累犯者的沒入車輛等等來部長簡單回應一下報告委員您所建議的第一項我們已經有跟這個財政部來做溝通那這個部分他們是給我們比較正面的訊息所以第一項應該是可以那第二三項的部分我們目前正在檢討當中我們都納入這些建議來檢討那目前也朝這個方向來檢討另外我們針對相關的\n588229\t612182\t偽造車牌的這樣一個議題將必須提出短中長程跟明確的做法例如說我們短期的做法是不是能夠在完稅或者是驗車之後相關的來貼上一張黃尾的這樣的一個貼紙這樣來做一個基本的辨識這是短期比較可行的一個做法\n612802\t629754\t那中長期那我們是不是針對相關的這種辨識的這樣的一個貼片在相關的可以透過我們的這種智慧的系統AI的辨識系統可以來做一個初步的認定\n631291\t651739\t另外長期就是說是否可以植入晶片可以用這樣的一個路感的偵測器以及相關的這樣的一個警情的系統來做AR的一個辨識但是這個很重要長期的這個要只能作為辨識車牌之用不可以有其他的個資或其他的相關個人的資訊來請說明一下\n654220\t683600\t報告委員您所說的第一項短期措施我們現在也正在努力我們希望明年就可以比較具體有一個短期的防偽功能要出來包括這個防偽貼紙的這個部分我們也納入討論那中長期的部分確實是長期應該要來建構的部分那我們也會跟公路局來討論說我們中長期的計畫是什麼因為大概用短期的這個防偽只能擋一陣子因為那個道高一尺魔高一丈有時候他們研發的速度很快那我們中長期的部分還是要趕快來思考\n683940\t686764\t那有關於中期措施這種RFID黃尾標籤這個目前你們有在規劃嗎?\n691773\t720730\t來 那個局長簡單說明一下跟各位報告因為車牌有些部分其實在國內已經有相關的e-tag的這個資訊所以我們大概也會再跟這個高工局就是說對於就是說因為e-tag也是用RFID的相關的一個技術所以我想就是說我們中長期的措施委員所提出來的這些部分的話其實我們都有納入考量只是說因為它確實是比較有一些相關的配套措施要一起處理\n720970\t733523\t那短期措施明年就可以實施嗎短期措施我們有提出一些防偽功能的加強那是不是要用防偽貼紙這個部分是不是讓我們一起綜合來考量必須要盡快的相關的作為防偽功能有提升以上\n","txt":"謝謝召委 請一下陳世凱部長以及陳文瑞局長、林釜山市長、勞動部陳局長、林市長\n部長好我們現在已經是正式進入一個大缺工的時代不管是相關的產業、製造業、傳統的產業另外就是跟生活相關的這些人力也缺少問題非常嚴重包含餐廳、包含司機、外送員以及相關的長照等等\n這些人力已經是跟我們生活息息相關的人力也缺少那我們看到公共運輸來講我們看到很嚴重的運量減少營收大跌還有相關的司機缺工這個都嚴重衝擊到公共的運輸我們看到我們的市區客運\n還有公路客運相關的搭乘人次以及收入都明顯的減少那市區客運2019跟2023來比較2023已經減少了64萬人次這是市區客運公路客運就是跨縣市還有國道客運這種公路客運少了13萬\n人次左右那相關的營收呢市區客運少了5.32%那公路客運少了41%更嚴重那我們公路局有初步的統計公路客運缺員大概772位駕駛那市區客運缺員大概1443位駕駛總共缺少了2215位駕駛\n部長我先請教你你認為司機大幅減少原因是什麼來簡單說明一下如果以客運來說的話因為過去三年的疫情造成客運業他們的營運上面出現了問題所以大量的司機員流失這是第一個最重要的問題因為同時間流失了這麼大量之後要補齊其實不太容易那第二個就是說人才\n流失了之後其實他有往貨運跑因為過去的疫情的過程當中貨運業其實狀況非常的好所以人才往那邊跑或者是外送員的部分也有一些人才往那邊跑也就是說就業多元化的部分讓很多的司機員往那個地方移動那第三個問題其實是因為這段時間其實大家對於服務業尤其是客運業的服務的要求相對的高那我們有些司機員有在反映說那這樣\n很像開公車、開客運壓力相對大一些所以這個環境讓他們不太願意留在這裡部長就是說有受到疫情的衝擊啊讓這種搭乘的人數啊大幅的減少因為疫情衝擊大家都自行的騎車或者是開車那另外就是啊\n新資的這個結構破碎化勞動條件的這樣的一個持續的惡化這也是對司機員減少的一個原因另外年齡結構也偏高現在老駕駛多新的補充人力也不足另外這都會嚴重的影響到公共運輸的安全這個是很嚴重的問題那針對我們相關的不管是\n運量減少、收入減少、還有司機減少那交通部要有什麼具體的作為運量減少的部分當然我們會用一些比較優惠例如說T-pass的方式希望能夠讓我們的旅客跟通勤者會願意搭客運不要自己開車、不要自己騎車這個部分我們是這樣處理\n那針對這個它的營收減少的部分其實我們在公路局的部分對於他們的補助客運業的補助其實也相對的相當多這段時間其實大家一直在努力協助這些客運業者那我相信客運業者也有感受到那第三個其實大家比較關注的議題是這個缺工的部分那缺工的部分一方面可以解決營收又可以解決薪資就是從運價面來處理\n運價面我們第一個來處理讓它運價可以提升並且指定一部分的薪資是要流向薪資的部分來提升這個駕駛員的這個薪資那二方面是委員您剛剛有說到他們這個年齡偏大所以我們有開放到68歲以下都可以來開這個客運從65開放到68歲那這也讓這個流財應該有1000多人的流財\n一千三百多人的這個人數有留下來那另外針對這個橋外生的部分我們也跟這個勞動部一起在努力他目前正在這個法制化的過程當中我們希望有一些外籍的移工跟橋外生可以補充到這方面的人力那另外針對這個徵才的補助方案其實公路局也提供了非常多的這個徵才的補助那目前我們也協助了\n大概3000多人的這個人力的補充以上報告部長不管是放寬駕駛的年齡限制或者是相關的增採的一個補助或是相關的開放這樣這個外景的人力這樣的一個政策思考其實都是減緩問題的嚴重性而已那其實我們看日本\n日本這樣面對大缺工他們估計到2040年為止相關的司機或是外送員、廠照人力會減少20%這是一個很嚴重的問題那我們相關的 剛才提到的相關具體措施只是減緩問題的嚴重性而已我認為必須要改善勞動條件這個才是另外一個正確的方向\n那我們從過去的司法判決裡面就是司機跟業者相關的因為勞資的糾紛透過司法途徑來處理那相關的資料有顯示統計薪資司機的薪資問題\n明確地點出它的薪資破碎化薪資結構破碎化的這樣一個問題我們每月薪資大概是超過10個項目來組成不管是平均薪資大概是6至9萬但是它的玉石津貼佔了15%休息日的津貼佔了18%然後國定假日津貼佔了3%\n加班津貼是達到36%所以說超過三分之一都是加班費這代表薪資的結構破碎化也代表勞動條件的持續惡化我先請教一下勞動部陳次長\n陳次長 我們勞動部針對司機的薪資結構我認為是必須要跟業者來對話相關的工資及工時要明確的定義化來 請你簡單說明一下是謝委員的指教嗎\n有關於汽車貨運業相關的司機的待遇確實他因為他的那個薪資的項目組成非常的複雜那這部分我們會跟交通部一起來來努力因為現在的狀況其實就是委員所指教的其實人口結構的改變然後缺工時代的來臨所以我們除了一方面要提升國內的勞參率之外一方面已經國外的\n相關的技術人力但是在整個流財的部分最終還是取決於薪資跟勞動條件的情況能不能留住相應的財這就是我說所說的相關的這樣的一個薪資的結構破碎化的問題勞動條件持續惡化必須要去做改善這部分我們會跟交通部也請部長跟那個交通部跟勞動部必須來合作針對這個\n駕駛的工資及工時還有薪資結構要明確的定義化另外我們針對相關的不管是薪資的結構、工資工時的定義化之後交通部也必須納入行政指導的項目裡面這個有沒有問題\n最後的時間我佔用一點時間偽造車牌是逐年的增加這也增加造成交通的違法相關的數據都在上面我就不再多說這個部長跟局長也都非常清楚我們是希望具體的建議交通部應該要\n研議相關偽造車牌的受害者免除更換牌照的這種製造費以及相關行政規範相關的費用另外也要研議針對偽造車牌者過去的違規行為因為偽造車牌無法查緝到的罰款要進行追繳研議針對使用偽造車牌的違規行為增加代保管車輛\n必須要等到罰款繳清後才可領回還有累犯者的沒入車輛等等來部長簡單回應一下報告委員您所建議的第一項我們已經有跟這個財政部來做溝通那這個部分他們是給我們比較正面的訊息所以第一項應該是可以那第二三項的部分我們目前正在檢討當中我們都納入這些建議來檢討那目前也朝這個方向來檢討另外我們針對相關的\n偽造車牌的這樣一個議題將必須提出短中長程跟明確的做法例如說我們短期的做法是不是能夠在完稅或者是驗車之後相關的來貼上一張黃尾的這樣的一個貼紙這樣來做一個基本的辨識這是短期比較可行的一個做法\n那中長期那我們是不是針對相關的這種辨識的這樣的一個貼片在相關的可以透過我們的這種智慧的系統AI的辨識系統可以來做一個初步的認定\n另外長期就是說是否可以植入晶片可以用這樣的一個路感的偵測器以及相關的這樣的一個警情的系統來做AR的一個辨識但是這個很重要長期的這個要只能作為辨識車牌之用不可以有其他的個資或其他的相關個人的資訊來請說明一下\n報告委員您所說的第一項短期措施我們現在也正在努力我們希望明年就可以比較具體有一個短期的防偽功能要出來包括這個防偽貼紙的這個部分我們也納入討論那中長期的部分確實是長期應該要來建構的部分那我們也會跟公路局來討論說我們中長期的計畫是什麼因為大概用短期的這個防偽只能擋一陣子因為那個道高一尺魔高一丈有時候他們研發的速度很快那我們中長期的部分還是要趕快來思考\n那有關於中期措施這種RFID黃尾標籤這個目前你們有在規劃嗎?\n來 那個局長簡單說明一下跟各位報告因為車牌有些部分其實在國內已經有相關的e-tag的這個資訊所以我們大概也會再跟這個高工局就是說對於就是說因為e-tag也是用RFID的相關的一個技術所以我想就是說我們中長期的措施委員所提出來的這些部分的話其實我們都有納入考量只是說因為它確實是比較有一些相關的配套措施要一起處理\n那短期措施明年就可以實施嗎短期措施我們有提出一些防偽功能的加強那是不是要用防偽貼紙這個部分是不是讓我們一起綜合來考量必須要盡快的相關的作為防偽功能有提升以上\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.956 --> 00:09.205\n謝謝召委請一下陳世凱部長以及陳文瑞局長、林釜山市長、勞動部陳局長、林市長\n\n00:17.453 --> 00:43.430\n部長好我們現在已經是正式進入一個大缺工的時代不管是相關的產業、製造業、傳統的產業另外就是跟生活相關的這些人力也缺少問題非常嚴重包含餐廳、包含司機、外送員以及相關的長照等等\n\n00:44.270 --> 01:05.496\n這些人力已經是跟我們生活息息相關的人力也缺少那我們看到公共運輸來講我們看到很嚴重的運量減少營收大跌還有相關的司機缺工這個都嚴重衝擊到公共的運輸我們看到我們的市區客運\n\n01:06.716 --> 01:16.704\n還有公路客運相關的搭乘人次以及收入都明顯的減少那市區客運2019跟2023來比較2023已經減少了64萬人次這是市區客運公路客運就是跨縣市還有國道客運這種公路客運少了13萬\n\n01:29.875 --> 01:46.100\n人次左右那相關的營收呢市區客運少了5.32%那公路客運少了41%更嚴重那我們公路局有初步的統計公路客運缺員大概772位駕駛那市區客運缺員大概1443位駕駛總共缺少了2215位駕駛\n\n01:55.282 --> 02:17.279\n部長我先請教你你認為司機大幅減少原因是什麼來簡單說明一下如果以客運來說的話因為過去三年的疫情造成客運業他們的營運上面出現了問題所以大量的司機員流失這是第一個最重要的問題因為同時間流失了這麼大量之後要補齊其實不太容易那第二個就是說人才\n\n02:17.879 --> 02:43.089\n流失了之後其實他有往貨運跑因為過去的疫情的過程當中貨運業其實狀況非常的好所以人才往那邊跑或者是外送員的部分也有一些人才往那邊跑也就是說就業多元化的部分讓很多的司機員往那個地方移動那第三個問題其實是因為這段時間其實大家對於服務業尤其是客運業的服務的要求相對的高那我們有些司機員有在反映說那這樣\n\n02:43.609 --> 03:04.064\n很像開公車、開客運壓力相對大一些所以這個環境讓他們不太願意留在這裡部長就是說有受到疫情的衝擊啊讓這種搭乘的人數啊大幅的減少因為疫情衝擊大家都自行的騎車或者是開車那另外就是啊\n\n03:04.904 --> 03:29.246\n新資的這個結構破碎化勞動條件的這樣的一個持續的惡化這也是對司機員減少的一個原因另外年齡結構也偏高現在老駕駛多新的補充人力也不足另外這都會嚴重的影響到公共運輸的安全這個是很嚴重的問題那針對我們相關的不管是\n\n03:33.360 --> 03:51.467\n運量減少、收入減少、還有司機減少那交通部要有什麼具體的作為運量減少的部分當然我們會用一些比較優惠例如說T-pass的方式希望能夠讓我們的旅客跟通勤者會願意搭客運不要自己開車、不要自己騎車這個部分我們是這樣處理\n\n03:52.808 --> 04:14.879\n那針對這個它的營收減少的部分其實我們在公路局的部分對於他們的補助客運業的補助其實也相對的相當多這段時間其實大家一直在努力協助這些客運業者那我相信客運業者也有感受到那第三個其實大家比較關注的議題是這個缺工的部分那缺工的部分一方面可以解決營收又可以解決薪資就是從運價面來處理\n\n04:17.960 --> 04:36.445\n運價面我們第一個來處理讓它運價可以提升並且指定一部分的薪資是要流向薪資的部分來提升這個駕駛員的這個薪資那二方面是委員您剛剛有說到他們這個年齡偏大所以我們有開放到68歲以下都可以來開這個客運從65開放到68歲那這也讓這個流財應該有1000多人的流財\n\n04:42.927 --> 05:07.220\n一千三百多人的這個人數有留下來那另外針對這個橋外生的部分我們也跟這個勞動部一起在努力他目前正在這個法制化的過程當中我們希望有一些外籍的移工跟橋外生可以補充到這方面的人力那另外針對這個徵才的補助方案其實公路局也提供了非常多的這個徵才的補助那目前我們也協助了\n\n05:08.200 --> 05:29.657\n大概3000多人的這個人力的補充以上報告部長不管是放寬駕駛的年齡限制或者是相關的增採的一個補助或是相關的開放這樣這個外景的人力這樣的一個政策思考其實都是減緩問題的嚴重性而已那其實我們看日本\n\n05:30.197 --> 05:57.373\n日本這樣面對大缺工他們估計到2040年為止相關的司機或是外送員、廠照人力會減少20%這是一個很嚴重的問題那我們相關的剛才提到的相關具體措施只是減緩問題的嚴重性而已我認為必須要改善勞動條件這個才是另外一個正確的方向\n\n05:57.933 --> 06:11.347\n那我們從過去的司法判決裡面就是司機跟業者相關的因為勞資的糾紛透過司法途徑來處理那相關的資料有顯示統計薪資司機的薪資問題\n\n06:14.890 --> 06:38.270\n明確地點出它的薪資破碎化薪資結構破碎化的這樣一個問題我們每月薪資大概是超過10個項目來組成不管是平均薪資大概是6至9萬但是它的玉石津貼佔了15%休息日的津貼佔了18%然後國定假日津貼佔了3%\n\n06:40.471 --> 06:55.576\n加班津貼是達到36%所以說超過三分之一都是加班費這代表薪資的結構破碎化也代表勞動條件的持續惡化我先請教一下勞動部陳次長\n\n06:59.656 --> 07:13.919\n陳次長我們勞動部針對司機的薪資結構我認為是必須要跟業者來對話相關的工資及工時要明確的定義化來請你簡單說明一下是謝委員的指教嗎\n\n07:14.912 --> 07:38.760\n有關於汽車貨運業相關的司機的待遇確實他因為他的那個薪資的項目組成非常的複雜那這部分我們會跟交通部一起來來努力因為現在的狀況其實就是委員所指教的其實人口結構的改變然後缺工時代的來臨所以我們除了一方面要提升國內的勞參率之外一方面已經國外的\n\n07:39.640 --> 08:06.447\n相關的技術人力但是在整個流財的部分最終還是取決於薪資跟勞動條件的情況能不能留住相應的財這就是我說所說的相關的這樣的一個薪資的結構破碎化的問題勞動條件持續惡化必須要去做改善這部分我們會跟交通部也請部長跟那個交通部跟勞動部必須來合作針對這個\n\n08:08.908 --> 08:26.416\n駕駛的工資及工時還有薪資結構要明確的定義化另外我們針對相關的不管是薪資的結構、工資工時的定義化之後交通部也必須納入行政指導的項目裡面這個有沒有問題\n\n08:30.275 --> 08:50.384\n最後的時間我佔用一點時間偽造車牌是逐年的增加這也增加造成交通的違法相關的數據都在上面我就不再多說這個部長跟局長也都非常清楚我們是希望具體的建議交通部應該要\n\n08:53.257 --> 09:17.289\n研議相關偽造車牌的受害者免除更換牌照的這種製造費以及相關行政規範相關的費用另外也要研議針對偽造車牌者過去的違規行為因為偽造車牌無法查緝到的罰款要進行追繳研議針對使用偽造車牌的違規行為增加代保管車輛\n\n09:18.570 --> 09:42.715\n必須要等到罰款繳清後才可領回還有累犯者的沒入車輛等等來部長簡單回應一下報告委員您所建議的第一項我們已經有跟這個財政部來做溝通那這個部分他們是給我們比較正面的訊息所以第一項應該是可以那第二三項的部分我們目前正在檢討當中我們都納入這些建議來檢討那目前也朝這個方向來檢討另外我們針對相關的\n\n09:48.229 --> 10:12.182\n偽造車牌的這樣一個議題將必須提出短中長程跟明確的做法例如說我們短期的做法是不是能夠在完稅或者是驗車之後相關的來貼上一張黃尾的這樣的一個貼紙這樣來做一個基本的辨識這是短期比較可行的一個做法\n\n10:12.802 --> 10:29.754\n那中長期那我們是不是針對相關的這種辨識的這樣的一個貼片在相關的可以透過我們的這種智慧的系統AI的辨識系統可以來做一個初步的認定\n\n10:31.291 --> 10:51.739\n另外長期就是說是否可以植入晶片可以用這樣的一個路感的偵測器以及相關的這樣的一個警情的系統來做AR的一個辨識但是這個很重要長期的這個要只能作為辨識車牌之用不可以有其他的個資或其他的相關個人的資訊來請說明一下\n\n10:54.220 --> 11:23.600\n報告委員您所說的第一項短期措施我們現在也正在努力我們希望明年就可以比較具體有一個短期的防偽功能要出來包括這個防偽貼紙的這個部分我們也納入討論那中長期的部分確實是長期應該要來建構的部分那我們也會跟公路局來討論說我們中長期的計畫是什麼因為大概用短期的這個防偽只能擋一陣子因為那個道高一尺魔高一丈有時候他們研發的速度很快那我們中長期的部分還是要趕快來思考\n\n11:23.940 --> 11:26.764\n那有關於中期措施這種RFID黃尾標籤這個目前你們有在規劃嗎?\n\n11:31.773 --> 12:00.730\n來那個局長簡單說明一下跟各位報告因為車牌有些部分其實在國內已經有相關的e-tag的這個資訊所以我們大概也會再跟這個高工局就是說對於就是說因為e-tag也是用RFID的相關的一個技術所以我想就是說我們中長期的措施委員所提出來的這些部分的話其實我們都有納入考量只是說因為它確實是比較有一些相關的配套措施要一起處理\n\n12:00.970 --> 12:13.523\n那短期措施明年就可以實施嗎短期措施我們有提出一些防偽功能的加強那是不是要用防偽貼紙這個部分是不是讓我們一起綜合來考量必須要盡快的相關的作為防偽功能有提升以上\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.956,"end":9.205,"text":"謝謝召委 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剛才提到的相關具體措施只是減緩問題的嚴重性而已我認為必須要改善勞動條件這個才是另外一個正確的方向"},{"start":357.933,"end":371.347,"text":"那我們從過去的司法判決裡面就是司機跟業者相關的因為勞資的糾紛透過司法途徑來處理那相關的資料有顯示統計薪資司機的薪資問題"},{"start":374.89,"end":398.27,"text":"明確地點出它的薪資破碎化薪資結構破碎化的這樣一個問題我們每月薪資大概是超過10個項目來組成不管是平均薪資大概是6至9萬但是它的玉石津貼佔了15%休息日的津貼佔了18%然後國定假日津貼佔了3%"},{"start":400.471,"end":415.576,"text":"加班津貼是達到36%所以說超過三分之一都是加班費這代表薪資的結構破碎化也代表勞動條件的持續惡化我先請教一下勞動部陳次長"},{"start":419.656,"end":433.919,"text":"陳次長 我們勞動部針對司機的薪資結構我認為是必須要跟業者來對話相關的工資及工時要明確的定義化來 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