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00:00:51,420\n什麼時候會公佈?\n\n4\n00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:41,336\n跟委員報告下這個交通部的這個函式都已經下去了然後各個這個裁判機構也都是這樣子辦理OK好好謝謝那剛林委員也提到那個死亡死亡率我們看一下臺灣跟日本我們跟其他國家做一下比較啦日本就是去年的日本他們人口數比我們臺灣多五六倍啦他們的死亡人數是兩千六\n\n5\n00:01:42,469 --> 00:02:10,205\n我們台灣的死亡人數是3023你可以看到這樣子的差距那韓國也是一樣他們人口數我們的兩倍那死亡數也比我們低所以我今天希望說提供一個概念就是說之前的部長我都有質詢過但是交通部好像都還沒動那我想跟部長再講一次也希望說我們的司長跟局長可以做一下不同的觀念的思考那以前我們習慣就是\n\n6\n00:02:11,866 --> 00:02:36,068\n道路安全、交通安全基本法等等的事實上我們對交通安全教育真的是做得比較少那也許交通部會認為說這個是交易部的業務還是交通部的業務事實上我再請教市長或部長、局長日本的小孩子過馬路會舉手你知道嗎有看過\n\n7\n00:02:37,372 --> 00:03:01,051\n他們是幾乎每個小朋友只要過馬路就舉手為什麼?因為小朋友小嘛他們習慣訓練就是過馬路就舉手這就是從小做起所以交通安全教育的重要性之前我也跟小慧、山漢辦過公聽會那也質詢過但是現在看起來是沒有什麼具體的成果\n\n8\n00:03:02,148 --> 00:03:28,455\n所以我想先給三位一個觀念然後就是說這個交通安全教育車這個其實當然都是交通部在主政的教育部可能也沒做這些東西啦那你可以看到他們選的教育車一年都會到校一次這是強迫你每一年一定要到校一次然後你去訓練孩子不同的觀念\n\n9\n00:03:30,063 --> 00:03:56,665\n那從幼稚園每一年一次一小時國小生他訓練怎麼用步行過馬路國中生訓練騎腳踏車還要注意什麼叫做安全高中生也是滿18歲騎機車的他的教育安全所以你可以看到這個日本大概我們再看前一頁這個日本其實在大概20年前他的死亡人數大概1萬6千人\n\n10\n00:03:58,834 --> 00:04:27,247\n你看這20年來他就是長期走遠他才可以這樣子去降低死亡率所以當然現在交通部所做的不管是大車的要轉向的警示啦或者是他任何的死角的警示等等的這些都是必要但是另外一個觀念交通部一直還沒有開啟這個觀念就是從教育做起所以我們再來看那個行動博物館\n\n11\n00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:55,661\n事實上現在那個歷史博物館已經都有行動博物館專車到全台巡迴展演那這個觀念我也諮詢過現在的河岸會以前的園人會他們現在已經變成說每一年他會辦一個園整人科技的科普展那氣象署現在他們也懂得說我到校服務所以這個巡迴專車其實是一個概念\n\n12\n00:04:57,043 --> 00:05:19,842\n那交通部是不是可以開始去做這個思考從小學從幼稚園做起根本去改變孩子的觀念我想說我們經過兩年後是不是看到我們的國小幼稚園學生過馬路都會舉手這有沒有差別有差別啊你有些車子的視角不一樣那是太矮了嘛你多了一個高度至少看得到嘛\n\n13\n00:05:20,803 --> 00:05:30,585\n那這個是很簡單的動作但是你要做到全台灣都能做就沒有那麼容易那當然他山之石可以工作好的我們就學嘛\n\n14\n00:05:31,772 --> 00:05:56,743\n好我覺得這個是不是部長可以用一下心呢好報告委員如果台灣人的這個交通上面的觀念可以跟日本的教育一樣這麼徹底的話我相信台灣的交通的狀況會好非常多啦對所以我到了交通部之後也一直拜託我們裡面的同仁針對這個所謂的交通安全的教育的推廣的部分要多花點心思甚至要多花一些預算是做一些有效的\n\n15\n00:05:57,543 --> 00:06:00,404\n所以是不是可以開始做了當然要做當然要做因為現在我還沒看到交通部在做\n\n16\n00:06:14,549 --> 00:06:42,193\n其實每一年都有很多的交通安全教育的宣導費用有但是都撥到地方政府去由地方政府下去做那或許現在大家看到比較沒有具體的成果那我們未來會拿到交通部來努力來做就是我們總是特別重視交通的就是我們交通部嘛那安全那個是我們最重要的嘛那另外還有交通博物館齁我們先看那個台灣有個兒童教育博物館齁\n\n17\n00:06:43,783 --> 00:07:11,741\n以前曾經有過啦台灣那一張以前台灣兒童交通教育博物館以前曾經有過1992年的時候在台北市那現在已經沒有了在2008年的時候轉成客家園區當然它有各族群有不同的需要但是我們是不是有機會交通部來規劃一個兒童交通安全博物館現在全國只剩下一個地方叫做麗寶\n\n18\n00:07:13,106 --> 00:07:39,493\n那個地方是民間自己在經營的所以這個兒童交通博物館事實上你可以看到世界各大國都有這種交通博物館我們左邊這個是美國就是左上角跟中間這個圖這個是美國的交通博物館然後底下那個是英國倫敦的交通博物館這些圖片都讓部長再參考一下\n\n19\n00:07:40,353 --> 00:08:08,952\n然後我們再看回來那個各國交通博物館都是由中央在主導日本的其餘的鐵道博物館是左邊這個圖左下方是瑞士的交通博物館那下面的左邊的是英國倫敦再來最右下角的是德國德勒斯登皇宮它有好幾個不同的主題其中一個主題是交通博物館所以我們讓那個部長知道一下交通博物館事實上它的重要性\n\n20\n00:08:09,833 --> 00:08:37,622\n然後再來看一下山濱日本山濱他們這個兒童交通公園目前台灣有兩座一個在我們鳳山新墻公園那這個也是當時交通部有補助200萬也謝謝交通部那又下腳這個是萬華青年公園所以你可以看到這個我們的交通公園跟兒童交通公園跟日本的兒童交通公園其實有一些差距這個他們都是實地實況去模擬的\n\n21\n00:08:39,703 --> 00:09:08,815\n改天有機會再放一下蠟筆小新的那個片子那個交通交易給部長參考那個其實很有趣他們就是從這樣子從小就這樣做起要從小做起所以最後有一個希望就是說我們高雄有一塊高雄機場那這一塊地綠色的這些部分事實上市府現在也在規劃交通公園或親子公園日本三品他們小朋友很多人學騎腳踏車是去那個地方學\n\n22\n00:09:09,727 --> 00:09:30,417\n像你在都市裡面,台北人很多人不會騎腳踏車,不知道要怎麼做交通公園其實又安全,所以這個是一個好的概念所以市府現在已經有考慮在做這個交通公園、親子公園等等在我們這一塊高雄機場那另外呢,部長有看到那個左上方六連棟那裡\n\n23\n00:09:32,338 --> 00:09:56,624\n左上方六年多那個現在是本來是我們台鐵的地現在要保留啦現在要保留那保留的話我們裡面要怎麼配置呢剛才那麼多的交通那個交通博物館的圖有那個部長看你可以看我們這一塊這個那個上方這些都是那個透空的而且那個挑高的所以這個地方你看起來跟那個美國\n\n24\n00:09:58,191 --> 00:10:06,596\n跟那個美國那一張圖你看這一張中間這個美國上面的那個是不是鏤空的然後是不是挑高的是不是吊滿了飛機\n\n25\n00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:36,954\n所以其實類似這樣的概念如果說在高雄機場這塊地這是台鐵跟市府現在都市計畫變更應該我們再鋪行它進度快一點應該快要通過了啦這個通過之後是不是有機會設兒童交通博物館有機會設兒童交通公園這個交通部用一點心事實上日本三病這個不是只有台灣人去不是只有日本人去很多公安客去都會去參觀\n\n26\n00:10:38,234 --> 00:11:06,534\n都會去那邊尤其帶小朋友的那邊還可以提供腳踏車免費的所以這樣子一個概念交通公園、交通安全博物館如果在高雄機場這一塊區域可以實現那未來其實包括全台灣的人或是各國的觀光客都有可能會來這個地方看一看我們台灣的規劃小朋友很喜歡去所以尤其是觀光客有帶小朋友來的他都很喜歡去\n\n27\n00:11:07,935 --> 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我覺得這個是不是部長可以用一下心呢好 報告委員如果台灣人的這個交通上面的觀念可以跟日本的教育一樣這麼徹底的話我相信台灣的交通的狀況會好非常多啦對所以我到了交通部之後也一直拜託我們裡面的同仁針對這個所謂的交通安全的教育的推廣的部分要多花點心思甚至要多花一些預算是做一些有效的\n357543\t360404\t所以是不是可以開始做了當然要做 當然要做因為現在我還沒看到交通部在做\n374549\t402193\t其實每一年都有很多的交通安全教育的宣導費用有但是都撥到地方政府去由地方政府下去做那或許現在大家看到比較沒有具體的成果那我們未來會拿到交通部來努力來做就是我們總是特別重視交通的就是我們交通部嘛那安全那個是我們最重要的嘛那另外還有交通博物館齁我們先看那個台灣有個兒童教育博物館齁\n403783\t431741\t以前曾經有過啦台灣那一張以前台灣兒童交通教育博物館以前曾經有過1992年的時候在台北市那現在已經沒有了在2008年的時候轉成客家園區當然它有各族群有不同的需要但是我們是不是有機會交通部來規劃一個兒童交通安全博物館現在全國只剩下一個地方叫做麗寶\n433106\t459493\t那個地方是民間自己在經營的所以這個兒童交通博物館事實上你可以看到世界各大國都有這種交通博物館我們左邊這個是美國就是左上角跟中間這個圖這個是美國的交通博物館然後底下那個是英國倫敦的交通博物館這些圖片都讓部長再參考一下\n460353\t488952\t然後我們再看回來那個各國交通博物館都是由中央在主導日本的其餘的鐵道博物館是左邊這個圖左下方是瑞士的交通博物館那下面的左邊的是英國倫敦再來最右下角的是德國德勒斯登皇宮它有好幾個不同的主題其中一個主題是交通博物館所以我們讓那個部長知道一下交通博物館事實上它的重要性\n489833\t517622\t然後再來看一下山濱日本山濱他們這個兒童交通公園目前台灣有兩座一個在我們鳳山新墻公園那這個也是當時交通部有補助200萬也謝謝交通部那又下腳這個是萬華青年公園所以你可以看到這個我們的交通公園跟兒童交通公園跟日本的兒童交通公園其實有一些差距這個他們都是實地實況去模擬的\n519703\t548815\t改天有機會再放一下蠟筆小新的那個片子那個交通交易給部長參考那個其實很有趣他們就是從這樣子從小就這樣做起要從小做起所以最後有一個希望就是說我們高雄有一塊高雄機場那這一塊地綠色的這些部分事實上市府現在也在規劃交通公園或親子公園日本三品他們小朋友很多人學騎腳踏車是去那個地方學\n549727\t570417\t像你在都市裡面,台北人很多人不會騎腳踏車,不知道要怎麼做交通公園其實又安全,所以這個是一個好的概念所以市府現在已經有考慮在做這個交通公園、親子公園等等在我們這一塊高雄機場那另外呢,部長有看到那個左上方六連棟那裡\n572338\t596624\t左上方六年多那個現在是本來是我們台鐵的地現在要保留啦現在要保留那保留的話我們裡面要怎麼配置呢剛才那麼多的交通那個交通博物館的圖有那個部長看你可以看我們這一塊這個那個上方這些都是那個透空的而且那個挑高的所以這個地方你看起來跟那個美國\n598191\t606596\t跟那個美國那一張圖你看這一張中間這個美國上面的那個是不是鏤空的然後是不是挑高的是不是吊滿了飛機\n608942\t636954\t所以其實類似這樣的概念如果說在高雄機場這塊地這是台鐵跟市府現在都市計畫變更應該我們再鋪行它進度快一點應該快要通過了啦這個通過之後是不是有機會設兒童交通博物館有機會設兒童交通公園這個交通部用一點心事實上日本三病這個不是只有台灣人去不是只有日本人去很多公安客去都會去參觀\n638234\t666534\t都會去那邊尤其帶小朋友的那邊還可以提供腳踏車免費的所以這樣子一個概念交通公園、交通安全博物館如果在高雄機場這一塊區域可以實現那未來其實包括全台灣的人或是各國的觀光客都有可能會來這個地方看一看我們台灣的規劃小朋友很喜歡去所以尤其是觀光客有帶小朋友來的他都很喜歡去\n667935\t689294\t是不是請部長跟局長、市長,那當然這個跟台鐵有關那這一塊是不是有機會這樣子做一個,那包括我們的巡迴車巡迴車一起去做思考,把我們台灣的交通教育整理好就開始做這樣好不好好希望交通部一起努力這相當好建議,謝謝委員好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請局長跟公路局長陳局長那司長也一起公共運輸林司長謝謝部長剛才林軍憲委員提到的這個法人跟法車這個部分我希望說交通部真的是可以有一個\n針對營業車輛的一個部分如果是駕駛人的違規行為比如說危險駕駛而導致要吊扣車牌的這個部分那現在在採訪的部分\n什麼時候會公佈?\n跟委員報告下這個交通部的這個函式都已經下去了然後各個這個裁判機構也都是這樣子辦理OK好好謝謝那剛林委員也提到那個死亡死亡率我們看一下臺灣跟日本我們跟其他國家做一下比較啦日本就是去年的日本他們人口數比我們臺灣多五六倍啦他們的死亡人數是兩千六\n我們台灣的死亡人數是3023你可以看到這樣子的差距那韓國也是一樣他們人口數我們的兩倍那死亡數也比我們低所以我今天希望說提供一個概念就是說之前的部長我都有質詢過但是交通部好像都還沒動那我想跟部長再講一次也希望說我們的司長跟局長可以做一下不同的觀念的思考那以前我們習慣就是\n道路安全、交通安全基本法等等的事實上我們對交通安全教育真的是做得比較少那也許交通部會認為說這個是交易部的業務還是交通部的業務事實上我再請教市長或部長、局長日本的小孩子過馬路會舉手你知道嗎有看過\n他們是幾乎每個小朋友只要過馬路就舉手為什麼?因為小朋友小嘛他們習慣訓練就是過馬路就舉手這就是從小做起所以交通安全教育的重要性之前我也跟小慧、山漢辦過公聽會那也質詢過但是現在看起來是沒有什麼具體的成果\n所以我想先給三位一個觀念然後就是說這個交通安全教育車這個其實當然都是交通部在主政的教育部可能也沒做這些東西啦那你可以看到他們選的教育車一年都會到校一次這是強迫你每一年一定要到校一次然後你去訓練孩子不同的觀念\n那從幼稚園每一年一次一小時國小生他訓練怎麼用步行過馬路國中生訓練騎腳踏車還要注意什麼叫做安全高中生也是滿18歲騎機車的他的教育安全所以你可以看到這個日本大概我們再看前一頁這個日本其實在大概20年前他的死亡人數大概1萬6千人\n你看這20年來他就是長期走遠他才可以這樣子去降低死亡率所以當然現在交通部所做的不管是大車的要轉向的警示啦或者是他任何的死角的警示等等的這些都是必要但是另外一個觀念交通部一直還沒有開啟這個觀念就是從教育做起所以我們再來看那個行動博物館\n事實上現在那個歷史博物館已經都有行動博物館專車到全台巡迴展演那這個觀念我也諮詢過現在的河岸會以前的園人會他們現在已經變成說每一年他會辦一個園整人科技的科普展那氣象署現在他們也懂得說我到校服務所以這個巡迴專車其實是一個概念\n那交通部是不是可以開始去做這個思考從小學從幼稚園做起根本去改變孩子的觀念我想說我們經過兩年後是不是看到我們的國小幼稚園學生過馬路都會舉手這有沒有差別有差別啊你有些車子的視角不一樣那是太矮了嘛你多了一個高度至少看得到嘛\n那這個是很簡單的動作但是你要做到全台灣都能做就沒有那麼容易那當然他山之石可以工作好的我們就學嘛\n好 我覺得這個是不是部長可以用一下心呢好 報告委員如果台灣人的這個交通上面的觀念可以跟日本的教育一樣這麼徹底的話我相信台灣的交通的狀況會好非常多啦對所以我到了交通部之後也一直拜託我們裡面的同仁針對這個所謂的交通安全的教育的推廣的部分要多花點心思甚至要多花一些預算是做一些有效的\n所以是不是可以開始做了當然要做 當然要做因為現在我還沒看到交通部在做\n其實每一年都有很多的交通安全教育的宣導費用有但是都撥到地方政府去由地方政府下去做那或許現在大家看到比較沒有具體的成果那我們未來會拿到交通部來努力來做就是我們總是特別重視交通的就是我們交通部嘛那安全那個是我們最重要的嘛那另外還有交通博物館齁我們先看那個台灣有個兒童教育博物館齁\n以前曾經有過啦台灣那一張以前台灣兒童交通教育博物館以前曾經有過1992年的時候在台北市那現在已經沒有了在2008年的時候轉成客家園區當然它有各族群有不同的需要但是我們是不是有機會交通部來規劃一個兒童交通安全博物館現在全國只剩下一個地方叫做麗寶\n那個地方是民間自己在經營的所以這個兒童交通博物館事實上你可以看到世界各大國都有這種交通博物館我們左邊這個是美國就是左上角跟中間這個圖這個是美國的交通博物館然後底下那個是英國倫敦的交通博物館這些圖片都讓部長再參考一下\n然後我們再看回來那個各國交通博物館都是由中央在主導日本的其餘的鐵道博物館是左邊這個圖左下方是瑞士的交通博物館那下面的左邊的是英國倫敦再來最右下角的是德國德勒斯登皇宮它有好幾個不同的主題其中一個主題是交通博物館所以我們讓那個部長知道一下交通博物館事實上它的重要性\n然後再來看一下山濱日本山濱他們這個兒童交通公園目前台灣有兩座一個在我們鳳山新墻公園那這個也是當時交通部有補助200萬也謝謝交通部那又下腳這個是萬華青年公園所以你可以看到這個我們的交通公園跟兒童交通公園跟日本的兒童交通公園其實有一些差距這個他們都是實地實況去模擬的\n改天有機會再放一下蠟筆小新的那個片子那個交通交易給部長參考那個其實很有趣他們就是從這樣子從小就這樣做起要從小做起所以最後有一個希望就是說我們高雄有一塊高雄機場那這一塊地綠色的這些部分事實上市府現在也在規劃交通公園或親子公園日本三品他們小朋友很多人學騎腳踏車是去那個地方學\n像你在都市裡面,台北人很多人不會騎腳踏車,不知道要怎麼做交通公園其實又安全,所以這個是一個好的概念所以市府現在已經有考慮在做這個交通公園、親子公園等等在我們這一塊高雄機場那另外呢,部長有看到那個左上方六連棟那裡\n左上方六年多那個現在是本來是我們台鐵的地現在要保留啦現在要保留那保留的話我們裡面要怎麼配置呢剛才那麼多的交通那個交通博物館的圖有那個部長看你可以看我們這一塊這個那個上方這些都是那個透空的而且那個挑高的所以這個地方你看起來跟那個美國\n跟那個美國那一張圖你看這一張中間這個美國上面的那個是不是鏤空的然後是不是挑高的是不是吊滿了飛機\n所以其實類似這樣的概念如果說在高雄機場這塊地這是台鐵跟市府現在都市計畫變更應該我們再鋪行它進度快一點應該快要通過了啦這個通過之後是不是有機會設兒童交通博物館有機會設兒童交通公園這個交通部用一點心事實上日本三病這個不是只有台灣人去不是只有日本人去很多公安客去都會去參觀\n都會去那邊尤其帶小朋友的那邊還可以提供腳踏車免費的所以這樣子一個概念交通公園、交通安全博物館如果在高雄機場這一塊區域可以實現那未來其實包括全台灣的人或是各國的觀光客都有可能會來這個地方看一看我們台灣的規劃小朋友很喜歡去所以尤其是觀光客有帶小朋友來的他都很喜歡去\n是不是請部長跟局長、市長,那當然這個跟台鐵有關那這一塊是不是有機會這樣子做一個,那包括我們的巡迴車巡迴車一起去做思考,把我們台灣的交通教育整理好就開始做這樣好不好好希望交通部一起努力這相當好建議,謝謝委員好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.399 --> 00:29.651\n謝謝主席我們請局長跟公路局長陳局長那司長也一起公共運輸林司長謝謝部長剛才林軍憲委員提到的這個法人跟法車這個部分我希望說交通部真的是可以有一個\n\n00:31.430 --> 00:35.552\n針對營業車輛的一個部分如果是駕駛人的違規行為比如說危險駕駛而導致要吊扣車牌的這個部分那現在在採訪的部分\n\n00:51.220 --> 00:51.420\n什麼時候會公佈?\n\n01:13.120 --> 01:41.336\n跟委員報告下這個交通部的這個函式都已經下去了然後各個這個裁判機構也都是這樣子辦理OK好好謝謝那剛林委員也提到那個死亡死亡率我們看一下臺灣跟日本我們跟其他國家做一下比較啦日本就是去年的日本他們人口數比我們臺灣多五六倍啦他們的死亡人數是兩千六\n\n01:42.469 --> 02:10.205\n我們台灣的死亡人數是3023你可以看到這樣子的差距那韓國也是一樣他們人口數我們的兩倍那死亡數也比我們低所以我今天希望說提供一個概念就是說之前的部長我都有質詢過但是交通部好像都還沒動那我想跟部長再講一次也希望說我們的司長跟局長可以做一下不同的觀念的思考那以前我們習慣就是\n\n02:11.866 --> 02:36.068\n道路安全、交通安全基本法等等的事實上我們對交通安全教育真的是做得比較少那也許交通部會認為說這個是交易部的業務還是交通部的業務事實上我再請教市長或部長、局長日本的小孩子過馬路會舉手你知道嗎有看過\n\n02:37.372 --> 03:01.051\n他們是幾乎每個小朋友只要過馬路就舉手為什麼?因為小朋友小嘛他們習慣訓練就是過馬路就舉手這就是從小做起所以交通安全教育的重要性之前我也跟小慧、山漢辦過公聽會那也質詢過但是現在看起來是沒有什麼具體的成果\n\n03:02.148 --> 03:28.455\n所以我想先給三位一個觀念然後就是說這個交通安全教育車這個其實當然都是交通部在主政的教育部可能也沒做這些東西啦那你可以看到他們選的教育車一年都會到校一次這是強迫你每一年一定要到校一次然後你去訓練孩子不同的觀念\n\n03:30.063 --> 03:56.665\n那從幼稚園每一年一次一小時國小生他訓練怎麼用步行過馬路國中生訓練騎腳踏車還要注意什麼叫做安全高中生也是滿18歲騎機車的他的教育安全所以你可以看到這個日本大概我們再看前一頁這個日本其實在大概20年前他的死亡人數大概1萬6千人\n\n03:58.834 --> 04:27.247\n你看這20年來他就是長期走遠他才可以這樣子去降低死亡率所以當然現在交通部所做的不管是大車的要轉向的警示啦或者是他任何的死角的警示等等的這些都是必要但是另外一個觀念交通部一直還沒有開啟這個觀念就是從教育做起所以我們再來看那個行動博物館\n\n04:28.740 --> 04:55.661\n事實上現在那個歷史博物館已經都有行動博物館專車到全台巡迴展演那這個觀念我也諮詢過現在的河岸會以前的園人會他們現在已經變成說每一年他會辦一個園整人科技的科普展那氣象署現在他們也懂得說我到校服務所以這個巡迴專車其實是一個概念\n\n04:57.043 --> 05:19.842\n那交通部是不是可以開始去做這個思考從小學從幼稚園做起根本去改變孩子的觀念我想說我們經過兩年後是不是看到我們的國小幼稚園學生過馬路都會舉手這有沒有差別有差別啊你有些車子的視角不一樣那是太矮了嘛你多了一個高度至少看得到嘛\n\n05:20.803 --> 05:30.585\n那這個是很簡單的動作但是你要做到全台灣都能做就沒有那麼容易那當然他山之石可以工作好的我們就學嘛\n\n05:31.772 --> 05:56.743\n好我覺得這個是不是部長可以用一下心呢好報告委員如果台灣人的這個交通上面的觀念可以跟日本的教育一樣這麼徹底的話我相信台灣的交通的狀況會好非常多啦對所以我到了交通部之後也一直拜託我們裡面的同仁針對這個所謂的交通安全的教育的推廣的部分要多花點心思甚至要多花一些預算是做一些有效的\n\n05:57.543 --> 06:00.404\n所以是不是可以開始做了當然要做當然要做因為現在我還沒看到交通部在做\n\n06:14.549 --> 06:42.193\n其實每一年都有很多的交通安全教育的宣導費用有但是都撥到地方政府去由地方政府下去做那或許現在大家看到比較沒有具體的成果那我們未來會拿到交通部來努力來做就是我們總是特別重視交通的就是我們交通部嘛那安全那個是我們最重要的嘛那另外還有交通博物館齁我們先看那個台灣有個兒童教育博物館齁\n\n06:43.783 --> 07:11.741\n以前曾經有過啦台灣那一張以前台灣兒童交通教育博物館以前曾經有過1992年的時候在台北市那現在已經沒有了在2008年的時候轉成客家園區當然它有各族群有不同的需要但是我們是不是有機會交通部來規劃一個兒童交通安全博物館現在全國只剩下一個地方叫做麗寶\n\n07:13.106 --> 07:39.493\n那個地方是民間自己在經營的所以這個兒童交通博物館事實上你可以看到世界各大國都有這種交通博物館我們左邊這個是美國就是左上角跟中間這個圖這個是美國的交通博物館然後底下那個是英國倫敦的交通博物館這些圖片都讓部長再參考一下\n\n07:40.353 --> 08:08.952\n然後我們再看回來那個各國交通博物館都是由中央在主導日本的其餘的鐵道博物館是左邊這個圖左下方是瑞士的交通博物館那下面的左邊的是英國倫敦再來最右下角的是德國德勒斯登皇宮它有好幾個不同的主題其中一個主題是交通博物館所以我們讓那個部長知道一下交通博物館事實上它的重要性\n\n08:09.833 --> 08:37.622\n然後再來看一下山濱日本山濱他們這個兒童交通公園目前台灣有兩座一個在我們鳳山新墻公園那這個也是當時交通部有補助200萬也謝謝交通部那又下腳這個是萬華青年公園所以你可以看到這個我們的交通公園跟兒童交通公園跟日本的兒童交通公園其實有一些差距這個他們都是實地實況去模擬的\n\n08:39.703 --> 09:08.815\n改天有機會再放一下蠟筆小新的那個片子那個交通交易給部長參考那個其實很有趣他們就是從這樣子從小就這樣做起要從小做起所以最後有一個希望就是說我們高雄有一塊高雄機場那這一塊地綠色的這些部分事實上市府現在也在規劃交通公園或親子公園日本三品他們小朋友很多人學騎腳踏車是去那個地方學\n\n09:09.727 --> 09:30.417\n像你在都市裡面,台北人很多人不會騎腳踏車,不知道要怎麼做交通公園其實又安全,所以這個是一個好的概念所以市府現在已經有考慮在做這個交通公園、親子公園等等在我們這一塊高雄機場那另外呢,部長有看到那個左上方六連棟那裡\n\n09:32.338 --> 09:56.624\n左上方六年多那個現在是本來是我們台鐵的地現在要保留啦現在要保留那保留的話我們裡面要怎麼配置呢剛才那麼多的交通那個交通博物館的圖有那個部長看你可以看我們這一塊這個那個上方這些都是那個透空的而且那個挑高的所以這個地方你看起來跟那個美國\n\n09:58.191 --> 10:06.596\n跟那個美國那一張圖你看這一張中間這個美國上面的那個是不是鏤空的然後是不是挑高的是不是吊滿了飛機\n\n10:08.942 --> 10:36.954\n所以其實類似這樣的概念如果說在高雄機場這塊地這是台鐵跟市府現在都市計畫變更應該我們再鋪行它進度快一點應該快要通過了啦這個通過之後是不是有機會設兒童交通博物館有機會設兒童交通公園這個交通部用一點心事實上日本三病這個不是只有台灣人去不是只有日本人去很多公安客去都會去參觀\n\n10:38.234 --> 11:06.534\n都會去那邊尤其帶小朋友的那邊還可以提供腳踏車免費的所以這樣子一個概念交通公園、交通安全博物館如果在高雄機場這一塊區域可以實現那未來其實包括全台灣的人或是各國的觀光客都有可能會來這個地方看一看我們台灣的規劃小朋友很喜歡去所以尤其是觀光客有帶小朋友來的他都很喜歡去\n\n11:07.935 --> 11:29.294\n是不是請部長跟局長、市長,那當然這個跟台鐵有關那這一塊是不是有機會這樣子做一個,那包括我們的巡迴車巡迴車一起去做思考,把我們台灣的交通教育整理好就開始做這樣好不好好希望交通部一起努力這相當好建議,謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.399,"end":29.651,"text":"謝謝主席我們請局長跟公路局長陳局長那司長也一起公共運輸林司長謝謝部長剛才林軍憲委員提到的這個法人跟法車這個部分我希望說交通部真的是可以有一個"},{"start":31.43,"end":35.552,"text":"針對營業車輛的一個部分如果是駕駛人的違規行為比如說危險駕駛而導致要吊扣車牌的這個部分那現在在採訪的部分"},{"start":51.22,"end":51.42,"text":"什麼時候會公佈?"},{"start":73.12,"end":101.336,"text":"跟委員報告下這個交通部的這個函式都已經下去了然後各個這個裁判機構也都是這樣子辦理OK好好謝謝那剛林委員也提到那個死亡死亡率我們看一下臺灣跟日本我們跟其他國家做一下比較啦日本就是去年的日本他們人口數比我們臺灣多五六倍啦他們的死亡人數是兩千六"},{"start":102.469,"end":130.205,"text":"我們台灣的死亡人數是3023你可以看到這樣子的差距那韓國也是一樣他們人口數我們的兩倍那死亡數也比我們低所以我今天希望說提供一個概念就是說之前的部長我都有質詢過但是交通部好像都還沒動那我想跟部長再講一次也希望說我們的司長跟局長可以做一下不同的觀念的思考那以前我們習慣就是"},{"start":131.866,"end":156.068,"text":"道路安全、交通安全基本法等等的事實上我們對交通安全教育真的是做得比較少那也許交通部會認為說這個是交易部的業務還是交通部的業務事實上我再請教市長或部長、局長日本的小孩子過馬路會舉手你知道嗎有看過"},{"start":157.372,"end":181.051,"text":"他們是幾乎每個小朋友只要過馬路就舉手為什麼?因為小朋友小嘛他們習慣訓練就是過馬路就舉手這就是從小做起所以交通安全教育的重要性之前我也跟小慧、山漢辦過公聽會那也質詢過但是現在看起來是沒有什麼具體的成果"},{"start":182.148,"end":208.455,"text":"所以我想先給三位一個觀念然後就是說這個交通安全教育車這個其實當然都是交通部在主政的教育部可能也沒做這些東西啦那你可以看到他們選的教育車一年都會到校一次這是強迫你每一年一定要到校一次然後你去訓練孩子不同的觀念"},{"start":210.063,"end":236.665,"text":"那從幼稚園每一年一次一小時國小生他訓練怎麼用步行過馬路國中生訓練騎腳踏車還要注意什麼叫做安全高中生也是滿18歲騎機車的他的教育安全所以你可以看到這個日本大概我們再看前一頁這個日本其實在大概20年前他的死亡人數大概1萬6千人"},{"start":238.834,"end":267.247,"text":"你看這20年來他就是長期走遠他才可以這樣子去降低死亡率所以當然現在交通部所做的不管是大車的要轉向的警示啦或者是他任何的死角的警示等等的這些都是必要但是另外一個觀念交通部一直還沒有開啟這個觀念就是從教育做起所以我們再來看那個行動博物館"},{"start":268.74,"end":295.661,"text":"事實上現在那個歷史博物館已經都有行動博物館專車到全台巡迴展演那這個觀念我也諮詢過現在的河岸會以前的園人會他們現在已經變成說每一年他會辦一個園整人科技的科普展那氣象署現在他們也懂得說我到校服務所以這個巡迴專車其實是一個概念"},{"start":297.043,"end":319.842,"text":"那交通部是不是可以開始去做這個思考從小學從幼稚園做起根本去改變孩子的觀念我想說我們經過兩年後是不是看到我們的國小幼稚園學生過馬路都會舉手這有沒有差別有差別啊你有些車子的視角不一樣那是太矮了嘛你多了一個高度至少看得到嘛"},{"start":320.803,"end":330.585,"text":"那這個是很簡單的動作但是你要做到全台灣都能做就沒有那麼容易那當然他山之石可以工作好的我們就學嘛"},{"start":331.772,"end":356.743,"text":"好 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這一塊地是臺鐵的，市府現在要做都市計畫變更，我們在push讓它的進度快一點，應該快要通過了，在這個通過之後，是不是有機會設兒童交通博物館、有機會設兒童交通公園？請交通部用一點心。事實上，像日本杉並這個兒童交通公園，並不是只有日本人去，很多觀光客都會去參觀，尤其是會帶小朋友去，那邊還有提供免費的腳踏車。所以像這樣子的概念，交通公園、交通安全博物館如果可以在高雄機廠這一塊區域實現，那未來包括全臺灣的人或是各國的觀光客都有可能會來這個地方看一看我們臺灣的規劃，小朋友會很喜歡去，尤其是觀光客如果有帶小朋友來，他們都很喜歡去，所以請部長、局長、司長思考，當然這個跟臺鐵有關，那這一塊是不是有機會做這個，包括我們的巡迴車，你們也一起去做思考，把我們臺灣的交通教育從小就開始做，這樣好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["許委員智傑：希望交通部一起努力。"],["陳部長世凱：這是相當好的建議，謝謝委員。"],["許委員智傑：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝許委員。先作以下宣告：待會等我本人魯明哲委員發言完畢就休息10分鐘。接下來有請廖先翔委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":366,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-7","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","林國成","林沛祥","林俊憲","許智傑","廖先翔","徐富癸","邱若華","陳雪生","陳素月","蔡其昌","林月琴","李坤城","鍾佳濱","牛煦庭","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","賴惠員","黃健豪","羅廷瑋","羅智強","王鴻薇","何欣純","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","游顥","陳冠廷"],"page_start":289,"meetingDate":["2024-10-24"],"gazette_id":"1139001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139001_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、公平交易委員會主任委員李鎂、數位發展部次長、勞動部次長、衛\n生福利部、經濟部、個人資料保護委員會籌備處及行政院消費者保護處就「外送平台之整併、收\n費指引、個資保護、產業發展、勞工權益及食品物流安全規範」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、\n邀請交通部公路局局長就「公路大型客貨運駕駛短缺之因應措施暨現行遊覽車評鑑制度之檢討與\n精進」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139001_00005"}}}