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00:03:28,233\n助台的辦事處來合作但是我想請教院長例如說像我們跟榮總合作這個樂齡課程這個經費是誰來出的\n\n10\n00:03:33,784 --> 00:03:57,335\n經費的話基本上來講是故宮出的那他們提供相對的比如說場地然後跟那個學員的部分但包括他們把他們的醫療人員都帶進來所以基本上來講的話大家共同參與那因為這個經費的話基本上來講的話除了那個那個卡牌之外的話其實花費不多\n\n11\n00:03:58,414 --> 00:04:09,269\n雙方都有來提供資源上面的互惠媒合那像亞洲藝術節跟各國駐台反制數合作外交部有沒有來協助亞洲藝術節沒有亞洲藝術節是故宮來院的經會那\n\n12\n00:04:14,475 --> 00:04:36,561\n國外的部分的話他們提供的展覽的內容那另外他們當然就是說另外一種模式的話就是他們會跟那個百貨公司跟這些串聯然後推展他們比如說像琉球在地的一些食品或是紀念品推動觀光基本上來講的話是採取一個附會的方式在進行\n\n13\n00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:43,363\n今天很多人提到說明年就是故宮百年故宮百年的歷史起點從哪裡開始呢從把這個末代皇帝溥儀的皇宮貼上封條交由善後委員會然後開始來辦理讓人民\n\n14\n00:04:54,507 --> 00:05:17,007\n進故宮來參觀這個起點開始所以我想故宮一項很重要實名就是要發揮他的社會影響力那剛剛我提到種種跟榮總的合作或者是像我們要跟其他國家合作這些計劃我想有很多都是需要除了故宮以外我們中央其他部會各個單位大家可以一起來合作的\n\n15\n00:05:34,298 --> 00:05:52,602\n自己政府各個部門或者是民間社會單位來合作我覺得明年的百年故宮我們更加要去展現我們故宮的社會影響力那再來要跟院長討論的是呢永續發展近鄰碳排這是我們整體國家的政策那行政院呢其實也有相關的委員會我們必須要來做這個我們的氣候行動所以呢我們故宮有沒有開始在做我們的碳盤查了因為要先盤查才有辦法來減碳嘛\n\n16\n00:06:04,666 --> 00:06:10,071\n探盤查的話北院正在進行中南院的話明年會進行\n\n17\n00:06:11,499 --> 00:06:34,251\n所以北越我們是預計今年底可以完成出盤應該是因為今年他的計畫是今年做那南越明年做好那這一點很重要因為我們是整個國家整體大家要一起來來完成這個淨零碳排的目標所以從碳盤查開始基本做起那未來我們才能來進行檢探\n\n18\n00:06:35,672 --> 00:06:52,201\n對跟委員報告我們未來的故宮的所有建築的話都會以那個綠建築以環保標章的那樣的概念去做規劃所以南院的話其實我們已經都有一些已經被列為一個標竿的建築其中因為故宮有有序發展小組嗎\n\n19\n00:06:53,161 --> 00:07:11,009\n在你們的會議記錄裡面看到資訊委員有給我們建議就是我們每次展示的時候很多的展櫃相關這些材料能不能夠來跟管際之間合作做一個循環的利用但是我想這一點也需要文化部加入一起來做管際之間的協調所以我們目前有沒有相關的討論\n\n20\n00:07:12,970 --> 00:07:35,941\n基本上故宮來講展場的話它是邊跪邊跪是固定的然後獨立跪獨立跪的話是可以移動可是基本上來講的話都是循環再利用重複再利用就是說因為換一次的話要花很大的錢那最近一次的話我們淘汰了一些展櫃的話是因為台灣大學成立了美術史的博物館\n\n21\n00:07:36,761 --> 00:07:51,803\n好所以我們把那批東西就捐給台大這個循環在利用若有其他的管方也需要我們來協助我想我們就可以一起來溝通有需要文化部的地方那我也一起來幫忙協調很多人在問那個淡美不言的櫃子因為那個是他們製作的那個我知道\n\n22\n00:07:52,904 --> 00:07:55,365\n他們要拿回去是是是那最後呢我們故宮有網路商品合作這個有一個網路商店實體的跟網路的都有我知道這幾年來的這個行銷的成績是不斷的在成長不過因為審計部有提醒我們這個當中曾經廠商違約超過了一年就本來預定要上線時間結果延宕了一年那後來呢我們故宮也一約\n\n23\n00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:41,852\n11天罰一天總共罰了420萬也就是總共延遲了420天院長這發生什麼事有沒有掌握這個是我到任之前的事來請說明報告委員是因為網路新商城還有新POST系統他們沒有依照時間把那新系統上架但是我們原來的系統還是繼續維運\n\n24\n00:08:59,002 --> 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謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請故宮博物院院長好有請蕭院長吳院長蕭院長好上個禮拜呢在我們故宮博物院邀請之下我跟本委員會的陳培宇委員郭育群委員一起到了故宮觀賞大美不言這一個特展那我聽說這個特展也籌備了多年\n是由我們臺灣故宮跟巴黎裝飾藝術館還有凡克雅寶三方合作所籌備的那我自己的觀賞體驗我覺得非常的驚喜然後收穫也很多這個照片上恐怕沒有呈現但是因為在每一個展櫃裡面都是由我們策展的一個主題\n但是有我們三方共同去找出符合這個主題的展品我們也從中看到了故宮所收藏的文物展品的多樣性其實是收羅包含了東西方然後跨時代的非常的豐富尤其是這樣子國際性的交流合作我想也對我們故宮讓世界更多人看見\n吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n吳沛憶\n國際交流之外我想我們故宮跟在地的交流連結也非常的重要在今天的業務報告裡面我也看到我們已經展現相當豐碩的成果其中上一次就在這個地方跟院長也討論過就是故宮跟在我們萬華的龍山寺有合作\n希望由故宮來當領頭羊也帶領了這些國際訪客或者國內的訪客能夠走進臺北更多的區域認識我們臺灣特色之美剛剛院長有提到說跟龍山寺的合作很多因為我是龍山寺出資所以我想不只是跟廟宇的合作跟社會各界的合作例如說我看到的是我們跟故宮跟Meta\n也有合作一個城市尋寶遊戲好然後我們跟過去跟臺灣爸也有合作來做那個兒少影片的介紹那甚至呢故宮現在跟榮總也有合作來做樂齡的課程例如說包括一些失智症患者失智症的陪伴等等我們去結合藝術與醫療我覺得這些通通都是非常好的嘗試包括故宮辦理了亞洲藝術節嗎跟各國\n助台的辦事處來合作但是我想請教院長例如說像我們跟榮總合作這個樂齡課程這個經費是誰來出的\n經費的話基本上來講是故宮出的那他們提供相對的比如說場地然後跟那個學員的部分但包括他們把他們的醫療人員都帶進來所以基本上來講的話大家共同參與那因為這個經費的話基本上來講的話除了那個那個卡牌之外的話其實花費不多\n雙方都有來提供資源上面的互惠媒合那像亞洲藝術節跟各國駐台反制數合作外交部有沒有來協助亞洲藝術節沒有亞洲藝術節是故宮來院的經會那\n國外的部分的話他們提供的展覽的內容那另外他們當然就是說另外一種模式的話就是他們會跟那個百貨公司跟這些串聯然後推展他們比如說像琉球在地的一些食品或是紀念品推動觀光基本上來講的話是採取一個附會的方式在進行\n今天很多人提到說明年就是故宮百年故宮百年的歷史起點從哪裡開始呢從把這個末代皇帝溥儀的皇宮貼上封條交由善後委員會然後開始來辦理讓人民\n進故宮來參觀這個起點開始所以我想故宮一項很重要實名就是要發揮他的社會影響力那剛剛我提到種種跟榮總的合作或者是像我們要跟其他國家合作這些計劃我想有很多都是需要除了故宮以外我們中央其他部會各個單位大家可以一起來合作的\n﹗﹗\n自己政府各個部門或者是民間社會單位來合作我覺得明年的百年故宮我們更加要去展現我們故宮的社會影響力那再來要跟院長討論的是呢永續發展近鄰碳排這是我們整體國家的政策那行政院呢其實也有相關的委員會我們必須要來做這個我們的氣候行動所以呢我們故宮有沒有開始在做我們的碳盤查了因為要先盤查才有辦法來減碳嘛\n探盤查的話北院正在進行中南院的話明年會進行\n所以北越我們是預計今年底可以完成出盤應該是因為今年他的計畫是今年做那南越明年做好那這一點很重要因為我們是整個國家整體大家要一起來來完成這個淨零碳排的目標所以從碳盤查開始基本做起那未來我們才能來進行檢探\n對跟委員報告我們未來的故宮的所有建築的話都會以那個綠建築以環保標章的那樣的概念去做規劃所以南院的話其實我們已經都有一些已經被列為一個標竿的建築其中因為故宮有有序發展小組嗎\n在你們的會議記錄裡面看到資訊委員有給我們建議就是我們每次展示的時候很多的展櫃相關這些材料能不能夠來跟管際之間合作做一個循環的利用但是我想這一點也需要文化部加入一起來做管際之間的協調所以我們目前有沒有相關的討論\n基本上故宮來講展場的話它是邊跪邊跪是固定的然後獨立跪獨立跪的話是可以移動可是基本上來講的話都是循環再利用重複再利用就是說因為換一次的話要花很大的錢那最近一次的話我們淘汰了一些展櫃的話是因為台灣大學成立了美術史的博物館\n好所以我們把那批東西就捐給台大這個循環在利用若有其他的管方也需要我們來協助我想我們就可以一起來溝通有需要文化部的地方那我也一起來幫忙協調很多人在問那個淡美不言的櫃子因為那個是他們製作的那個我知道\n他們要拿回去是是是那最後呢我們故宮有網路商品合作這個有一個網路商店實體的跟網路的都有我知道這幾年來的這個行銷的成績是不斷的在成長不過因為審計部有提醒我們這個當中曾經廠商違約超過了一年就本來預定要上線時間結果延宕了一年那後來呢我們故宮也一約\n11天罰一天總共罰了420萬也就是總共延遲了420天院長這發生什麼事有沒有掌握這個是我到任之前的事來請說明報告委員是因為網路新商城還有新POST系統他們沒有依照時間把那新系統上架但是我們原來的系統還是繼續維運\n﹖\n謝謝院長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.206 --> 00:09.447\n謝謝主席我請故宮博物院院長好有請蕭院長吳院長蕭院長好上個禮拜呢在我們故宮博物院邀請之下我跟本委員會的陳培宇委員郭育群委員一起到了故宮觀賞大美不言這一個特展那我聽說這個特展也籌備了多年\n\n00:32.172 --> 00:35.854\n是由我們臺灣故宮跟巴黎裝飾藝術館還有凡克雅寶三方合作所籌備的那我自己的觀賞體驗我覺得非常的驚喜然後收穫也很多這個照片上恐怕沒有呈現但是因為在每一個展櫃裡面都是由我們策展的一個主題\n\n00:57.563 --> 01:22.403\n但是有我們三方共同去找出符合這個主題的展品我們也從中看到了故宮所收藏的文物展品的多樣性其實是收羅包含了東西方然後跨時代的非常的豐富尤其是這樣子國際性的交流合作我想也對我們故宮讓世界更多人看見\n\n01:23.664 --> 01:23.804\n吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n\n01:48.962 --> 01:48.982\n吳沛憶\n\n02:06.381 --> 02:12.769\n國際交流之外我想我們故宮跟在地的交流連結也非常的重要在今天的業務報告裡面我也看到我們已經展現相當豐碩的成果其中上一次就在這個地方跟院長也討論過就是故宮跟在我們萬華的龍山寺有合作\n\n02:25.403 --> 02:30.544\n希望由故宮來當領頭羊也帶領了這些國際訪客或者國內的訪客能夠走進臺北更多的區域認識我們臺灣特色之美剛剛院長有提到說跟龍山寺的合作很多因為我是龍山寺出資所以我想不只是跟廟宇的合作跟社會各界的合作例如說我看到的是我們跟故宮跟Meta\n\n02:53.268 --> 03:14.923\n也有合作一個城市尋寶遊戲好然後我們跟過去跟臺灣爸也有合作來做那個兒少影片的介紹那甚至呢故宮現在跟榮總也有合作來做樂齡的課程例如說包括一些失智症患者失智症的陪伴等等我們去結合藝術與醫療我覺得這些通通都是非常好的嘗試包括故宮辦理了亞洲藝術節嗎跟各國\n\n03:21.508 --> 03:28.233\n助台的辦事處來合作但是我想請教院長例如說像我們跟榮總合作這個樂齡課程這個經費是誰來出的\n\n03:33.784 --> 03:57.335\n經費的話基本上來講是故宮出的那他們提供相對的比如說場地然後跟那個學員的部分但包括他們把他們的醫療人員都帶進來所以基本上來講的話大家共同參與那因為這個經費的話基本上來講的話除了那個那個卡牌之外的話其實花費不多\n\n03:58.414 --> 04:09.269\n雙方都有來提供資源上面的互惠媒合那像亞洲藝術節跟各國駐台反制數合作外交部有沒有來協助亞洲藝術節沒有亞洲藝術節是故宮來院的經會那\n\n04:14.475 --> 04:36.561\n國外的部分的話他們提供的展覽的內容那另外他們當然就是說另外一種模式的話就是他們會跟那個百貨公司跟這些串聯然後推展他們比如說像琉球在地的一些食品或是紀念品推動觀光基本上來講的話是採取一個附會的方式在進行\n\n04:37.361 --> 04:43.363\n今天很多人提到說明年就是故宮百年故宮百年的歷史起點從哪裡開始呢從把這個末代皇帝溥儀的皇宮貼上封條交由善後委員會然後開始來辦理讓人民\n\n04:54.507 --> 05:17.007\n進故宮來參觀這個起點開始所以我想故宮一項很重要實名就是要發揮他的社會影響力那剛剛我提到種種跟榮總的合作或者是像我們要跟其他國家合作這些計劃我想有很多都是需要除了故宮以外我們中央其他部會各個單位大家可以一起來合作的\n\n05:34.298 --> 05:52.602\n自己政府各個部門或者是民間社會單位來合作我覺得明年的百年故宮我們更加要去展現我們故宮的社會影響力那再來要跟院長討論的是呢永續發展近鄰碳排這是我們整體國家的政策那行政院呢其實也有相關的委員會我們必須要來做這個我們的氣候行動所以呢我們故宮有沒有開始在做我們的碳盤查了因為要先盤查才有辦法來減碳嘛\n\n06:04.666 --> 06:10.071\n探盤查的話北院正在進行中南院的話明年會進行\n\n06:11.499 --> 06:34.251\n所以北越我們是預計今年底可以完成出盤應該是因為今年他的計畫是今年做那南越明年做好那這一點很重要因為我們是整個國家整體大家要一起來來完成這個淨零碳排的目標所以從碳盤查開始基本做起那未來我們才能來進行檢探\n\n06:35.672 --> 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