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00:02:53,214\n跟委員報告就是一般來講的話如果硬體的無障礙設施的話當然是秘書室管理然後那個展場的服務的部分的話是那個展服處那其實我們有一個提示服務品質的一個小組其實這個小組的話就統合這兩個部門甚至其他的業務部門在有關觀眾服務或是那個\n\n9\n00:02:54,395 --> 00:02:56,857\n我還是覺得至少要有專人因為他要處理所有的觀眾服務其實範圍就很大那就沒有辦法針對這個就是無障礙的設施進行處理\n\n10\n00:03:18,937 --> 00:03:29,513\n第二部分就是無障礙的相關的討論我看你們都是個案式並沒有制度化那院長是不是能夠演繹成立專門處理這個常設性的身心障礙\n\n11\n00:03:34,921 --> 00:03:49,366\n只要叫他諮詢委員會那其實應該就能夠定期吸收相關的意見也能夠持續進步呢這個部分我想就預算上也不會花你們很多的經費那院長是不是可能承諾來研議這個部分呢\n\n12\n00:03:52,440 --> 00:04:05,007\n因為我們有一個因為基本上來講的話我們好幾個委員會再多一個諮詢會當然是我們在做業務上的整合\n\n13\n00:04:12,871 --> 00:04:34,717\n事實上比如說委員之前講的在我們的那個無障礙聯通道的話那我們就特別就請身心障礙的朋友來來來參議我知道你有很多委員會了可是就是說故宮這麼的重要如果我們連一個諮詢委員會都不願意給身心障礙的這個領域的話我想這個議題是不可能做的好的\n\n14\n00:04:35,157 --> 00:04:35,417\n好,我們來原議。好。\n\n15\n00:04:45,885 --> 00:05:14,340\n就是專責單位或主管那我今天已經通融至少是專人吧那有先求有我們再求那身心障礙諮詢委員會的一個演繹好不好OK好那他包括硬體跟軟體就是包括那個軟體對當然你講說委員會對因為身心障礙的話當然包括整個設施的當然啦我想應該就是我們以國際為標準一步一步改善好不好\n\n16\n00:05:15,921 --> 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