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00:00:39,670\n好院長好院長我想請問一下昨天我有看到一個有趣的統計交通部觀光署最新公佈的數據顯示我們今年1月到6月博物館的參訪人數人次的排行榜你有看到嗎有看到第一名是中正紀念堂195萬人次故宮博物院在第6名89萬7252人當然我有特別注意到12名故宮南院\n\n3\n00:00:40,430 --> 00:01:06,133\n有42萬多人次我想這個數據每年幾乎都會出一次每一年的排名都有所變動當然我們不要說一定要照今年的就特別來做一個批評或者是給予一個鼓勵但標題總是離不開台灣最強博物館的字眼想請問一下院長這樣的數據院長有沒有什麼看法你覺得故宮是不是台灣最強的博物館\n\n4\n00:01:07,121 --> 00:01:15,608\n故宮目前為止的話還是台灣最強的博物館但是現在的這樣的觀眾人次的確是不滿意\n\n5\n00:01:18,544 --> 00:01:39,934\n的確是什麼的確是沒有辦法讓人家滿意是自己不滿意是嗎自己不滿意我想外界大概也會覺得也會覺得可以再加強一下是吧是我想謝謝院長的回應那我是認為參觀人數他是一個觀光統計的數據但能不能用這些數據來評比哪一個博物館是最強的實際上的確有待商榷\n\n6\n00:01:40,914 --> 00:01:53,316\n故宮身為國家級的博物館館長的歷史與文化價值是無庸置疑的可是這件事情也很奇怪院長我先問你一下你的數據跟我數據有沒有一樣請問故宮現在的館長有多少\n\n7\n00:01:56,313 --> 00:02:16,413\n大概70萬件啦好不好70萬件可以說是全國之最全國之首那麼豐富的館藏是可以吸引遊客的一個賣點然而實際參觀人數卻不太如你我還有全民的預期請問院長對於這種現象有沒有進行分析大數據的剖析有嗎\n\n8\n00:02:18,675 --> 00:02:26,851\n大概只憑個人的經驗當然真的沒有去做過調查研究去做過一個很嚴謹的分析有沒有做過相關的民調\n\n9\n00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:49,749\n呃...民調的話我...我們沒有特別因為民調的話觀眾滿意度調查基本上是OK沒有沒有因為我們有但是是做觀眾滿意度的調查沒有去調查周邊的整個今天給你一個建議是不是我們來對全民來做一個民調什麼樣的一個慣常什麼樣的一個措施不只是滿意度\n\n10\n00:02:50,109 --> 00:02:51,650\n而且基本上就現有的狀況他們能知道的就是這樣\n\n11\n00:03:07,315 --> 00:03:28,736\n因為來到現場展覽嘛他們不知道你還能夠多好所以用滿意度我覺得有失公平未來是不是展覽策劃方面的問題還是展品有重複性質的問題或者是更新頻率不夠高這個部分導致觀眾的這個興趣啊有疑慮甚至有降低這是不是我們可以來做研究\n\n12\n00:03:29,176 --> 00:03:52,223\n是我們會來從各種不同的面向來檢討我另外請問你70萬件你個人的經驗瞭解這70萬件全部都有展覽過嗎沒有因為70萬件裡面的話其實圖書文獻包括那個上本圖書的話大概近60萬件所以真正的70萬件的話其實不到10萬件是長\n\n13\n00:03:54,204 --> 00:03:58,366\n所以故宮內部有評估大概68、69萬件左右的展品屬於書類的可能比較不能夠全數展覽圖書、文獻、檔案的其實也都可以展也都有展只是說它的展示方式就不一樣\n\n14\n00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:20,839\n現在80萬\n\n15\n00:04:50,881 --> 00:05:09,659\n現在80萬南院現在對現在這個禮拜一南院已經到80萬那未來我想不管是這個所謂的展覽品我們的館藏這麼多有沒有機會到台中來做一個展覽甚至有機會到這個故宮中院有這樣子的一個產生\n\n16\n00:05:11,681 --> 00:05:32,074\n院長喊話一下有沒有一個態度為我們中部的人來謀福利我在那個國美館的時候台中國立台灣美術館的時候其實我就辦過四館的連展就是故宮博物院臺北館然後齊美博物館跟東京富士美術館所以到中部去展覽是沒有問題崔白菜也去過台中\n\n17\n00:05:32,874 --> 00:05:52,431\n至於所謂的我剛聽到所謂的故宮中分院這個信息的話是我記得胡志強當市長的時候是有提過那也有評估過那在那個故宮所謂的南院南院的話其實所謂南院的話包括中部\n\n18\n00:05:53,132 --> 00:06:19,185\n包括彰化也都提案來爭取最後選定嘉義但是是不是有可能說在中部有一個什麼樣的情況因為像我們去年也是到彰化美術館去展覽就是說到底是要有一個固定的展場或是說我們有展覽故宮出遊區可以到中部這個我們基本上來講的話是大家可以來進一步討論\n\n19\n00:06:19,445 --> 00:06:22,667\n我們會來評估接下來剛剛你有提到之前你當國美館的館長也有相關的一個配合是不是您可以答應我最近近期我們開始來規劃\n\n20\n00:06:45,663 --> 00:07:12,947\n明年度有這個機會故宮的一些館長而且是重要的館長來到台中再一次的來跟大家分享跟委員報告就是現在的話當然國美館的話是有標準的展覽空間是可以沒有問題那我期待的話未來的立美圖就是台中式的美術館如果有適當的機會的話那我們倒是願意去立美圖每天幫他們\n\n21\n00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:24,860\n雖然綠美圖很棒但國美館是我的選區阿好不好先以國美館欸你娘家捏你老家族你沒去購一個可不可以先以這個明年阿一邊規劃國美館阿綠美圖也可以做考慮但國美館為先這個部分來做一個慎重的考慮\n\n22\n00:07:31,067 --> 00:07:31,767\n其實我一個建議就是國美館\n\n23\n00:07:58,180 --> 00:08:23,099\n配合大敦文化中心屯區文化中心能夠做一次就是將多數的故宮館藏移施到中部尤其是台中一次做分部分點分區特色比如說珠寶類的假設全部在國美館工藝類的全部在大敦文化中心做一個我們都市一個藝文展覽的一天的一個規劃讓大家能夠來參觀這些文物館藏\n\n24\n00:08:26,622 --> 00:08:27,483\n委員會長蕭宗煌列席報告\n\n25\n00:08:51,721 --> 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