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00:02:27,967\n你們是缺人做解決,你不是引進就業機會嗎?對不對?你是把它數位化之後減少用人。你不是增加就業率啊?這個方向性是不一樣的,我們講的是促進他的就業。那我讓兩位看一下,就是說在韓國,他們有高齡者就業促進法。\n\n8\n00:02:28,928 --> 00:02:51,515\n他們的主動積極的精神就是他會去篩選160種適合中高齡者就業的職類我就問兩位我們目前在臺灣我們要促進中高齡的就業我們有沒有很細膩的去篩選哪些行業別他其實是比較適合中高齡在就業的目前有沒有有沒有羅列出來\n\n9\n00:02:52,891 --> 00:02:52,911\n韓國執委\n\n10\n00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:26,708\n你們經濟部有沒有在做沒有我們沒有因為我們是配合勞動部如果這個職類設計出來那我們要配合比如說人才培訓對這個就是我看到的問題啦事實上經濟部在這一個角色上面是蠻消極的所以我想這是為什麼吳委員才會有提到一個產業發展的概念\n\n11\n00:03:27,068 --> 00:03:47,981\n就是說經濟部也應該與時俱進啊,邁向高齡化的社會這個你們要看到我們的勞動市場會有越來越多的中高齡者就是說你現場要運用中高齡者但是在這個部分如果經濟部沒有想法沒有主動性跟勞動部一起就是來思考比如說你們對產業是最了解的啊\n\n12\n00:03:48,641 --> 00:04:04,981\n那我看現在產業部分也是勞動部在負責啊沒有沒有沒有你們對於現場其實哪一些適合中高齡就業我覺得經濟部也應該提出你們的構想啊因為你們轄下管那麼多的中小企業是都你們管的呢?不是勞動部你管的呢?\n\n13\n00:04:06,002 --> 00:04:28,682\n老公不是管勞工啊那企業老闆雇主這邊他是不是他的職場環境應該怎麼做我覺得經濟部也應該要加入好不好那個我們都有跟而且職場環境又是中高齡這種職場環境這個我們那我就要求就是這個部長可不可以答應我們最快什麼時間我們可以篩選出適合中高齡就業的這些職類\n\n14\n00:04:29,363 --> 00:04:29,523\n議員吳春城\n\n15\n00:04:57,190 --> 00:05:21,557\n韓國他們其實有義務優先禁用就是55歲以上的族群但是其實看我們現在的中高齡就業促進法我們比較重輔導但是我們沒有一個在法令上面去希望企業可以有優先僱用跟禁用的這樣的一個條款所以就會變成在實務上面你只能用獎勵啦你剛剛也講你們有很多的獎勵計畫但是獎勵一過之後\n\n16\n00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:49,126\n就是企業感覺本身也沒什麼動力也沒有什麼強制力這一塊你們未來要怎麼解決委員其實很感謝大院委員中小企業這一次加薪抵稅有針對65以上那我們就給了加薪抵稅這樣的誘因這是非常謝謝委員那當然禁用可是禁用你要不要用一個強制性的概念在法律裡面規定\n\n17\n00:05:51,547 --> 00:06:07,826\n我要你們思考的就是說韓國是一種模式它很積極然後它也才一種就是必須優先禁用的概念但是我們台灣我們沒有那我們其實比較是重輔導用獎對但是\n\n18\n00:06:08,146 --> 00:06:18,898\n你可以看到如果過去4年它的成長是這麼的緩慢可能也遇到了瓶頸還有剛剛提到的現在實務上你有一些的獎勵的確是獎勵期過了看起來是衝著獎勵而來獎勵期過了然後就失去那個動力我覺得這一些的問題都必須要解決跟處理\n\n19\n00:06:28,089 --> 00:06:31,934\n委員過去幾年每年成長1%其實有10萬人欸其實也沒有很差啦真的可是因為而且過去3年有疫情那個整個內需的就業市場其實中共連主力都會在內需就業市場\n\n20\n00:06:45,450 --> 00:07:00,436\n所以再來的成長率應該是會蠻可觀的你預計會成長幾%?我們希望再來還是每年至少一定要10萬以上你有沒有設定目標?我們有一個70%的目標我們有一個70%的目標你現在67嘛現在大概67%你們希望明年嗎?可以達到70%?我們希望能盡快達到70%的目標明年嗎?這我不敢這樣子打包票可是希望能盡快來達到好嗎?對好\n\n21\n00:07:13,641 --> 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--> 00:07.544\n主席\n\n00:13.130 --> 00:38.895\n議員好部長好部長我們今天討論這個壯世代跟產業發展的問題那在你夜館的主要就是中高齡就業促進法這個上路近4年來他是有成長但是成長得很緩慢你可以看到這個圖如果我們用壯世代的定義吳春城委員他講的55歲以上的話那他幾乎是一年一趴的這個成長率\n\n00:39.707 --> 00:59.764\n其實是一個緩慢的成長,非常的有限所以我想今天有那麼多的部會來我也覺得促進中高齡就業也不是只有勞動部的責任因為這當中涉及到很多產業的面向,雇主願不願意去禁用然後也涉及到職務再設計的一個問題\n\n01:02.046 --> 01:02.146\n議員吳春城\n\n01:19.413 --> 01:36.227\n經濟委員會主審這個不是放在未還委員會所以表示兩個部會都有責任那我要問的是像經濟部我先問一下次長你比較少來未還委員會你們在中高齡就業的方面你們有沒有提供什麼樣的獎勵跟措施\n\n01:36.827 --> 01:50.572\n我們其實在產生條例就有一些租稅業會再來就是在一些中高齡一些相關的輔技或是一些導入一些智慧科技這個我們在產業發展上我們都有極力在推動而且我們跟勞動部在\n\n02:11.292 --> 02:27.967\n你們是缺人做解決,你不是引進就業機會嗎?對不對?你是把它數位化之後減少用人。你不是增加就業率啊?這個方向性是不一樣的,我們講的是促進他的就業。那我讓兩位看一下,就是說在韓國,他們有高齡者就業促進法。\n\n02:28.928 --> 02:51.515\n他們的主動積極的精神就是他會去篩選160種適合中高齡者就業的職類我就問兩位我們目前在臺灣我們要促進中高齡的就業我們有沒有很細膩的去篩選哪些行業別他其實是比較適合中高齡在就業的目前有沒有有沒有羅列出來\n\n02:52.891 --> 02:52.911\n韓國執委\n\n03:07.938 --> 03:26.708\n你們經濟部有沒有在做沒有我們沒有因為我們是配合勞動部如果這個職類設計出來那我們要配合比如說人才培訓對這個就是我看到的問題啦事實上經濟部在這一個角色上面是蠻消極的所以我想這是為什麼吳委員才會有提到一個產業發展的概念\n\n03:27.068 --> 03:47.981\n就是說經濟部也應該與時俱進啊,邁向高齡化的社會這個你們要看到我們的勞動市場會有越來越多的中高齡者就是說你現場要運用中高齡者但是在這個部分如果經濟部沒有想法沒有主動性跟勞動部一起就是來思考比如說你們對產業是最了解的啊\n\n03:48.641 --> 04:04.981\n那我看現在產業部分也是勞動部在負責啊沒有沒有沒有你們對於現場其實哪一些適合中高齡就業我覺得經濟部也應該提出你們的構想啊因為你們轄下管那麼多的中小企業是都你們管的呢?不是勞動部你管的呢?\n\n04:06.002 --> 04:28.682\n老公不是管勞工啊那企業老闆雇主這邊他是不是他的職場環境應該怎麼做我覺得經濟部也應該要加入好不好那個我們都有跟而且職場環境又是中高齡這種職場環境這個我們那我就要求就是這個部長可不可以答應我們最快什麼時間我們可以篩選出適合中高齡就業的這些職類\n\n04:29.363 --> 04:29.523\n議員吳春城\n\n04:57.190 --> 05:21.557\n韓國他們其實有義務優先禁用就是55歲以上的族群但是其實看我們現在的中高齡就業促進法我們比較重輔導但是我們沒有一個在法令上面去希望企業可以有優先僱用跟禁用的這樣的一個條款所以就會變成在實務上面你只能用獎勵啦你剛剛也講你們有很多的獎勵計畫但是獎勵一過之後\n\n05:24.558 --> 05:49.126\n就是企業感覺本身也沒什麼動力也沒有什麼強制力這一塊你們未來要怎麼解決委員其實很感謝大院委員中小企業這一次加薪抵稅有針對65以上那我們就給了加薪抵稅這樣的誘因這是非常謝謝委員那當然禁用可是禁用你要不要用一個強制性的概念在法律裡面規定\n\n05:51.547 --> 06:07.826\n我要你們思考的就是說韓國是一種模式它很積極然後它也才一種就是必須優先禁用的概念但是我們台灣我們沒有那我們其實比較是重輔導用獎對但是\n\n06:08.146 --> 06:18.898\n你可以看到如果過去4年它的成長是這麼的緩慢可能也遇到了瓶頸還有剛剛提到的現在實務上你有一些的獎勵的確是獎勵期過了看起來是衝著獎勵而來獎勵期過了然後就失去那個動力我覺得這一些的問題都必須要解決跟處理\n\n06:28.089 --> 06:31.934\n委員過去幾年每年成長1%其實有10萬人欸其實也沒有很差啦真的可是因為而且過去3年有疫情那個整個內需的就業市場其實中共連主力都會在內需就業市場\n\n06:45.450 --> 07:00.436\n所以再來的成長率應該是會蠻可觀的你預計會成長幾%?我們希望再來還是每年至少一定要10萬以上你有沒有設定目標?我們有一個70%的目標我們有一個70%的目標你現在67嘛現在大概67%你們希望明年嗎?可以達到70%?我們希望能盡快達到70%的目標明年嗎?這我不敢這樣子打包票可是希望能盡快來達到好嗎?對好\n\n07:13.641 --> 07:40.698\n我覺得中高齡就業已經是一個趨勢也是我們不得不面對的一個問題那所以我希望這件事情勞動部要再加把勁有成長但是還不夠那經濟部今天來那麼多部會這個也不是只有勞動部的責任我希望各部會都要動起來好不好就是我們促進中高齡的就業特別是女性的部分我們讓他可以28.3%他們渴望重返職場希望他們這樣渴望\n\n07:41.058 --> 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