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00:02:35,370\n從AI到現在其實不過半年整個產業的進展非常的快那我這邊想要建議勞動部跟國發會這邊是不是應該更加積極以勞動部的角色增進相關勞工的知能也好或者是當這些AI的技術導入產業它對相關產業的衝擊我認為國發會應該更有角色去協助勞動部看見這個面向的困境還有做出相對的因應是這邊可不可以請主委回應一下\n\n8\n00:02:37,523 --> 00:02:50,234\n好的,這個部分我們會跟相關部會來討論一下,看怎麼樣讓勞工可以盡早地適應到未來的變化,也具備這樣的應用AI的技能。好,這邊我們希望兩個月內給我們辦公室相關報告可以嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:51,270 --> 00:03:15,741\n可以啊好謝謝主委那另外一個其實我之前已經來跟主委請教過就是關於地方創新的事情之前跟主委討論是相關的法規範其實對於很多新創的產業有非常大的困境喔最近這個黑白大廚很好我就不再多說可是這裡面導入了韓國在地的飲食精彩的飲食文化這件事情其實已經是全球的趨勢我要告訴主委其實我們台灣的料理或是台灣相關的創新能力絕對不輸這個\n\n10\n00:03:17,102 --> 00:03:30,577\n但是他們到底遇到什麼問題我之前跟您請教過在5月30我說他們被同業檢舉、被開法會相關的法規範其實都不適合讓他們回到地方有非常非常多的困境其實但是因為地方創生計畫是來自國發會所以國發會從我們5月30質詢到現在到底相關法規範在各個部會之間的討論平台目前的困境是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:38,726 --> 00:04:04,028\n例如說我們知道月桃在衛福部今年五月營用可是還是有些問題可是老葉呢到目前還不得使用我當然知道衛福部為了照顧國人的食安當然要嚴謹地把關可是例如說我要講艾草目前是應適量使用根莖尚不得使用芝子花這可以做出婚貴我不知道主委你知不知道芝子花是這樣來的還有呢相關之前因為這個蝸牛小米粽的問題可能也讓大家擔心但它可能不是因為食安的問題\n\n12\n00:04:05,129 --> 00:04:17,744\n我想要問的是臺灣的很多米其林餐廳甚至也有在用這些食材所以不管是地方創生也好或者是所謂高級的米其林餐飲其實他們都會遇到類似的問題但是國發會這邊的角色主委你要不要說一下我想\n\n13\n00:04:20,953 --> 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