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--> 00:03:14,855\n數位技能在家工作的那我們希望把他吸引進來然後也留下至少我們希望在2018年之前有10萬人進來留下一萬人對所以政策上就是說跟兩個縣市談好了要做實驗橋外生要他們是需要工作嘛沒有工作是沒辦法留下來啊對對對那所以事實上他們如果在大學就在念書的時候可以打工每個禮拜是20個小時\n\n10\n00:03:17,118 --> 00:03:33,744\n現在是就我了解是就剛才可以打工的對是可以求外生可以打工對但是你說你放寬兩年讓他這兩年可以去找工作那找工作的期間的收入呢\n\n11\n00:03:35,182 --> 00:03:35,722\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n12\n00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,282\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n13\n00:04:19,938 --> 00:04:39,990\n呃要嫁接齁這個僱主齁跟僑外生齁他們的呃這個平台對不對對你們的平台是要怎麼這樣就是說好我今天我我是產業那我有勞動力的需求那我要怎麼去找到這些僑外生還是要等著僑外生來找我\n\n14\n00:04:41,372 --> 00:05:08,320\n我們現在是第一個我們這個是由教育部會協助在這些學校設就業輔導專員我們希望從學校是最快因為他還沒離開那透過學校的就業輔導單位然後有專員來協助這些橋外生那原來這種事不是每個學校都有有這樣的人力那所以現在會有那第二個部分是我們開始透過經濟部去接洽企業\n\n15\n00:05:10,041 --> 00:05:27,539\n像很多的企業就開始預先去找這些橋外生包括前一陣子經濟部也媒介了這個台電要修這個電網的這些廠商去找橋外生然後開始進行訓練所以我們是從學校的角度跟企業的角度我們雙軌並行\n\n16\n00:05:28,956 --> 00:05:38,323\n但是現在還是有一個問題就是說我們現在要求的僱主他有一個門檻的要求就是他的資本額要大500萬或是營業額是1000萬以上那\n\n17\n00:05:42,776 --> 00:06:06,885\n這兩個是貨所以兩個中有達到一個但是我要強調的是說你定資本額500萬以上的企業事實上在我們全國的稅籍登記的資料它只有占18%所以相對的就是還有另外82%的它是不在500萬以上當然這部分它可能就要需要用營業額1000萬去做它第二個要件\n\n18\n00:06:07,445 --> 00:06:18,999\n那你們這樣看起來在這兩個要件之下大概國內有多少比例的企業可以符合可以符合他可以聘請喬愛森各位委員報告這部分有一些鬆綁我們請勞動部做說明\n\n19\n00:06:23,184 --> 00:06:30,674\n委員是跟您報告一下基本上為了要配合國發會的攬才政策所以我們在111跟112已經陸續放寬了包括新創事業5加2產業還有六大核心戰略產業這些產業的這個500萬跟1000萬的限制我們都已經鬆綁了\n\n20\n00:06:40,106 --> 00:07:02,921\n那這些產業大概已經佔到專業及技術人才裡面所以你說未來五百萬跟一千萬都沒有限制?都打開?等於是所有的企業都可以?重點產業那如果說還有在這個業別以外的那目的事業主管機關認為有需要我們有一個會商機制經會商之後一樣可以打開\n\n21\n00:07:04,372 --> 00:07:32,314\n所以目前這個部分應該是已經解決了大部分喬惠孫所造成的一些就業上的困擾好那我再就教主委一個問題啦是關於移工嘛就是不是喬惠孫是單純的移工事實上很多移工朋友事實上跟我反映你包括日本跟韓國他們現在都已經開放說你到比方說到日本去移工他是可以帶他的家屬\n\n22\n00:07:33,786 --> 00:08:00,973\n直接都可以到日本去帶家屬去而且家屬過去也可以工作那如果這一個家屬的工作有發生問題的時候當然就會有一點連坐法連著移工也一併要被遣送回去那個是罰則的部分但是我們講他開的這一個門就是說移工他可以帶著他的家屬一方面讓移工他們不用跟他的家人這個\n\n23\n00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:19,546\n隔著非常遠的距離會有思鄉之苦。」第二個因為移工他的家人也過來他會希望在台灣有更安定的生活他也尋求更安定的工作所以他的工作態度或者是他們會盡量去避免\n\n24\n00:08:21,308 --> 00:08:34,925\n違法避免犯規因為連坐的一個結果會變成他整個他的比如比方說他的爸爸媽媽兄弟姊妹來都要相對的要被送回去那我們台灣有可能走到這一步嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:35,746 --> 00:08:48,950\n我們跟委員報告我們現在我們這次的修法裡面會把中階技術人才納進來就是中階技術的移工包括具備一定技術能力的焊接、模具這些我們都會納進來他就會適用這條\n\n26\n00:08:51,371 --> 00:09:12,947\n所以他未來就是可以引他的家屬進來他的家屬來後就在台灣一樣是定居然後一樣可以找工作對他會適用到我們的攬才專法裡面好那我蠻期待的我希望這個文字如果形成文字後可以給我們辦公室是的我們預計我們下禮拜會公開預覽那我們也送一份到您辦公室好謝謝主委好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t24211\t請蔡議員謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會請國會留主委蔡委員好\n25237\t31202\t主委,這個國發會說2030年有48萬的勞動力缺口那這個缺口在2023年在2028年要補足這個勞動力缺口就是35萬那目前還有20萬的差額所以這20萬的差額你們是說要怎麼去補回來\n51148\t68033\t二十萬差額裡面有八萬是屬於勞動力那有十二萬是屬於技術能力那我們會這個分工下來就是希望把這個12萬的這個這個白領的這個技術人才我們把它\n69414\t88726\t會以這個委員長吸引人才跟留住我們的僑外生兩個方向來做那僑外生我們現在一年可以新進的已經到了2萬那過去是48.1%會留下來那我們明年請了教育部幫忙會在每個學校設立一個就業輔導員我們希望能夠有到八成到九成的人留下來這樣的話呢\n90612\t106594\t再加上我們國外攬才加上我們最近會修法我們下禮拜會公開預覽然後放寬外籍人士進來那這些多元管道我們認為應該是沒有問題可以達到我們要的目標。」主委你認為現在橋外生的優勢是怎樣?\n108652\t122069\t主要的問題在於是我們沒有足夠的人以2028年35萬來看我們的畢業生只有15萬就怎麼樣就沒有了當然啊所以喬外森的最大優勢是這樣\n125593\t147072\t有些僑生他本身就會中文能力就很不錯那至少這些人在台灣都讀過書了解台灣的文化了解台灣的社會秩序那我們協助他們留下來的話可以幫助我們可以做得更好會比那些沒待過台灣的更容易被留下來那目前來說這些僑外生他們留下來的意願呢?\n148175\t166475\t目前的意願是很高的那我們現在怎麼去有更多的法令讓他們可以更容易找到工作所以我們現在也放寬到他畢業以後他有兩年找工作的期間就不會那麼快要逼回去那另外我們還做了一件事情就是全球現在有3500萬的數位牧民就是他用\n167175\t194855\t數位技能在家工作的那我們希望把他吸引進來然後也留下至少我們希望在2018年之前有10萬人進來留下一萬人對所以政策上就是說跟兩個縣市談好了要做實驗橋外生要他們是需要工作嘛沒有工作是沒辦法留下來啊對對對那所以事實上他們如果在大學就在念書的時候可以打工每個禮拜是20個小時\n197118\t213744\t現在是就我了解是就剛才可以打工的對是可以求外生可以打工對但是你說你放寬兩年讓他這兩年可以去找工作那找工作的期間的收入呢\n215182\t215722\t主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n240040\t242282\t主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n259938\t279990\t呃要嫁接齁這個僱主齁跟僑外生齁他們的呃這個平台對不對對你們的平台是要怎麼這樣就是說好我今天我我是產業那我有勞動力的需求那我要怎麼去找到這些僑外生還是要等著僑外生來找我\n281372\t308320\t我們現在是第一個我們這個是由教育部會協助在這些學校設就業輔導專員我們希望從學校是最快因為他還沒離開那透過學校的就業輔導單位然後有專員來協助這些橋外生那原來這種事不是每個學校都有有這樣的人力那所以現在會有那第二個部分是我們開始透過經濟部去接洽企業\n310041\t327539\t像很多的企業就開始預先去找這些橋外生包括前一陣子經濟部也媒介了這個台電要修這個電網的這些廠商去找橋外生然後開始進行訓練所以我們是從學校的角度跟企業的角度我們雙軌並行\n328956\t338323\t但是現在還是有一個問題就是說我們現在要求的僱主他有一個門檻的要求就是他的資本額要大500萬或是營業額是1000萬以上那\n342776\t366885\t這兩個是貨所以兩個中有達到一個但是我要強調的是說你定資本額500萬以上的企業事實上在我們全國的稅籍登記的資料它只有占18%所以相對的就是還有另外82%的它是不在500萬以上當然這部分它可能就要需要用營業額1000萬去做它第二個要件\n367445\t378999\t那你們這樣看起來在這兩個要件之下大概國內有多少比例的企業可以符合可以符合他可以聘請喬愛森各位委員報告這部分有一些鬆綁我們請勞動部做說明\n383184\t390674\t委員是跟您報告一下基本上為了要配合國發會的攬才政策所以我們在111跟112已經陸續放寬了包括新創事業5加2產業還有六大核心戰略產業這些產業的這個500萬跟1000萬的限制我們都已經鬆綁了\n400106\t422921\t那這些產業大概已經佔到專業及技術人才裡面所以你說未來五百萬跟一千萬都沒有限制?都打開?等於是所有的企業都可以?重點產業那如果說還有在這個業別以外的那目的事業主管機關認為有需要我們有一個會商機制經會商之後一樣可以打開\n424372\t452314\t所以目前這個部分應該是已經解決了大部分喬惠孫所造成的一些就業上的困擾好那我再就教主委一個問題啦是關於移工嘛就是不是喬惠孫是單純的移工事實上很多移工朋友事實上跟我反映你包括日本跟韓國他們現在都已經開放說你到比方說到日本去移工他是可以帶他的家屬\n453786\t480973\t直接都可以到日本去帶家屬去而且家屬過去也可以工作那如果這一個家屬的工作有發生問題的時候當然就會有一點連坐法連著移工也一併要被遣送回去那個是罰則的部分但是我們講他開的這一個門就是說移工他可以帶著他的家屬一方面讓移工他們不用跟他的家人這個\n482373\t499546\t隔著非常遠的距離會有思鄉之苦。」第二個因為移工他的家人也過來他會希望在台灣有更安定的生活他也尋求更安定的工作所以他的工作態度或者是他們會盡量去避免\n501308\t514925\t違法避免犯規因為連坐的一個結果會變成他整個他的比如比方說他的爸爸媽媽兄弟姊妹來都要相對的要被送回去那我們台灣有可能走到這一步嗎?\n515746\t528950\t我們跟委員報告我們現在我們這次的修法裡面會把中階技術人才納進來就是中階技術的移工包括具備一定技術能力的焊接、模具這些我們都會納進來他就會適用這條\n531371\t552947\t所以他未來就是可以引他的家屬進來他的家屬來後就在台灣一樣是定居然後一樣可以找工作對他會適用到我們的攬才專法裡面好那我蠻期待的我希望這個文字如果形成文字後可以給我們辦公室是的我們預計我們下禮拜會公開預覽那我們也送一份到您辦公室好謝謝主委好謝謝\n","txt":"請蔡議員謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會請國會留主委蔡委員好\n主委,這個國發會說2030年有48萬的勞動力缺口那這個缺口在2023年在2028年要補足這個勞動力缺口就是35萬那目前還有20萬的差額所以這20萬的差額你們是說要怎麼去補回來\n二十萬差額裡面有八萬是屬於勞動力那有十二萬是屬於技術能力那我們會這個分工下來就是希望把這個12萬的這個這個白領的這個技術人才我們把它\n會以這個委員長吸引人才跟留住我們的僑外生兩個方向來做那僑外生我們現在一年可以新進的已經到了2萬那過去是48.1%會留下來那我們明年請了教育部幫忙會在每個學校設立一個就業輔導員我們希望能夠有到八成到九成的人留下來這樣的話呢\n再加上我們國外攬才加上我們最近會修法我們下禮拜會公開預覽然後放寬外籍人士進來那這些多元管道我們認為應該是沒有問題可以達到我們要的目標。」主委你認為現在橋外生的優勢是怎樣?\n主要的問題在於是我們沒有足夠的人以2028年35萬來看我們的畢業生只有15萬就怎麼樣就沒有了當然啊所以喬外森的最大優勢是這樣\n有些僑生他本身就會中文能力就很不錯那至少這些人在台灣都讀過書了解台灣的文化了解台灣的社會秩序那我們協助他們留下來的話可以幫助我們可以做得更好會比那些沒待過台灣的更容易被留下來那目前來說這些僑外生他們留下來的意願呢?\n目前的意願是很高的那我們現在怎麼去有更多的法令讓他們可以更容易找到工作所以我們現在也放寬到他畢業以後他有兩年找工作的期間就不會那麼快要逼回去那另外我們還做了一件事情就是全球現在有3500萬的數位牧民就是他用\n數位技能在家工作的那我們希望把他吸引進來然後也留下至少我們希望在2018年之前有10萬人進來留下一萬人對所以政策上就是說跟兩個縣市談好了要做實驗橋外生要他們是需要工作嘛沒有工作是沒辦法留下來啊對對對那所以事實上他們如果在大學就在念書的時候可以打工每個禮拜是20個小時\n現在是就我了解是就剛才可以打工的對是可以求外生可以打工對但是你說你放寬兩年讓他這兩年可以去找工作那找工作的期間的收入呢\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n呃要嫁接齁這個僱主齁跟僑外生齁他們的呃這個平台對不對對你們的平台是要怎麼這樣就是說好我今天我我是產業那我有勞動力的需求那我要怎麼去找到這些僑外生還是要等著僑外生來找我\n我們現在是第一個我們這個是由教育部會協助在這些學校設就業輔導專員我們希望從學校是最快因為他還沒離開那透過學校的就業輔導單位然後有專員來協助這些橋外生那原來這種事不是每個學校都有有這樣的人力那所以現在會有那第二個部分是我們開始透過經濟部去接洽企業\n像很多的企業就開始預先去找這些橋外生包括前一陣子經濟部也媒介了這個台電要修這個電網的這些廠商去找橋外生然後開始進行訓練所以我們是從學校的角度跟企業的角度我們雙軌並行\n但是現在還是有一個問題就是說我們現在要求的僱主他有一個門檻的要求就是他的資本額要大500萬或是營業額是1000萬以上那\n這兩個是貨所以兩個中有達到一個但是我要強調的是說你定資本額500萬以上的企業事實上在我們全國的稅籍登記的資料它只有占18%所以相對的就是還有另外82%的它是不在500萬以上當然這部分它可能就要需要用營業額1000萬去做它第二個要件\n那你們這樣看起來在這兩個要件之下大概國內有多少比例的企業可以符合可以符合他可以聘請喬愛森各位委員報告這部分有一些鬆綁我們請勞動部做說明\n委員是跟您報告一下基本上為了要配合國發會的攬才政策所以我們在111跟112已經陸續放寬了包括新創事業5加2產業還有六大核心戰略產業這些產業的這個500萬跟1000萬的限制我們都已經鬆綁了\n那這些產業大概已經佔到專業及技術人才裡面所以你說未來五百萬跟一千萬都沒有限制?都打開?等於是所有的企業都可以?重點產業那如果說還有在這個業別以外的那目的事業主管機關認為有需要我們有一個會商機制經會商之後一樣可以打開\n所以目前這個部分應該是已經解決了大部分喬惠孫所造成的一些就業上的困擾好那我再就教主委一個問題啦是關於移工嘛就是不是喬惠孫是單純的移工事實上很多移工朋友事實上跟我反映你包括日本跟韓國他們現在都已經開放說你到比方說到日本去移工他是可以帶他的家屬\n直接都可以到日本去帶家屬去而且家屬過去也可以工作那如果這一個家屬的工作有發生問題的時候當然就會有一點連坐法連著移工也一併要被遣送回去那個是罰則的部分但是我們講他開的這一個門就是說移工他可以帶著他的家屬一方面讓移工他們不用跟他的家人這個\n隔著非常遠的距離會有思鄉之苦。」第二個因為移工他的家人也過來他會希望在台灣有更安定的生活他也尋求更安定的工作所以他的工作態度或者是他們會盡量去避免\n違法避免犯規因為連坐的一個結果會變成他整個他的比如比方說他的爸爸媽媽兄弟姊妹來都要相對的要被送回去那我們台灣有可能走到這一步嗎?\n我們跟委員報告我們現在我們這次的修法裡面會把中階技術人才納進來就是中階技術的移工包括具備一定技術能力的焊接、模具這些我們都會納進來他就會適用這條\n所以他未來就是可以引他的家屬進來他的家屬來後就在台灣一樣是定居然後一樣可以找工作對他會適用到我們的攬才專法裡面好那我蠻期待的我希望這個文字如果形成文字後可以給我們辦公室是的我們預計我們下禮拜會公開預覽那我們也送一份到您辦公室好謝謝主委好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:24.211\n請蔡議員謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會請國會留主委蔡委員好\n\n00:25.237 --> 00:31.202\n主委,這個國發會說2030年有48萬的勞動力缺口那這個缺口在2023年在2028年要補足這個勞動力缺口就是35萬那目前還有20萬的差額所以這20萬的差額你們是說要怎麼去補回來\n\n00:51.148 --> 01:08.033\n二十萬差額裡面有八萬是屬於勞動力那有十二萬是屬於技術能力那我們會這個分工下來就是希望把這個12萬的這個這個白領的這個技術人才我們把它\n\n01:09.414 --> 01:28.726\n會以這個委員長吸引人才跟留住我們的僑外生兩個方向來做那僑外生我們現在一年可以新進的已經到了2萬那過去是48.1%會留下來那我們明年請了教育部幫忙會在每個學校設立一個就業輔導員我們希望能夠有到八成到九成的人留下來這樣的話呢\n\n01:30.612 --> 01:46.594\n再加上我們國外攬才加上我們最近會修法我們下禮拜會公開預覽然後放寬外籍人士進來那這些多元管道我們認為應該是沒有問題可以達到我們要的目標。」主委你認為現在橋外生的優勢是怎樣?\n\n01:48.652 --> 02:02.069\n主要的問題在於是我們沒有足夠的人以2028年35萬來看我們的畢業生只有15萬就怎麼樣就沒有了當然啊所以喬外森的最大優勢是這樣\n\n02:05.593 --> 02:27.072\n有些僑生他本身就會中文能力就很不錯那至少這些人在台灣都讀過書了解台灣的文化了解台灣的社會秩序那我們協助他們留下來的話可以幫助我們可以做得更好會比那些沒待過台灣的更容易被留下來那目前來說這些僑外生他們留下來的意願呢?\n\n02:28.175 --> 02:46.475\n目前的意願是很高的那我們現在怎麼去有更多的法令讓他們可以更容易找到工作所以我們現在也放寬到他畢業以後他有兩年找工作的期間就不會那麼快要逼回去那另外我們還做了一件事情就是全球現在有3500萬的數位牧民就是他用\n\n02:47.175 --> 03:14.855\n數位技能在家工作的那我們希望把他吸引進來然後也留下至少我們希望在2018年之前有10萬人進來留下一萬人對所以政策上就是說跟兩個縣市談好了要做實驗橋外生要他們是需要工作嘛沒有工作是沒辦法留下來啊對對對那所以事實上他們如果在大學就在念書的時候可以打工每個禮拜是20個小時\n\n03:17.118 --> 03:33.744\n現在是就我了解是就剛才可以打工的對是可以求外生可以打工對但是你說你放寬兩年讓他這兩年可以去找工作那找工作的期間的收入呢\n\n03:35.182 --> 03:35.722\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n04:00.040 --> 04:02.282\n主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n04:19.938 --> 04:39.990\n呃要嫁接齁這個僱主齁跟僑外生齁他們的呃這個平台對不對對你們的平台是要怎麼這樣就是說好我今天我我是產業那我有勞動力的需求那我要怎麼去找到這些僑外生還是要等著僑外生來找我\n\n04:41.372 --> 05:08.320\n我們現在是第一個我們這個是由教育部會協助在這些學校設就業輔導專員我們希望從學校是最快因為他還沒離開那透過學校的就業輔導單位然後有專員來協助這些橋外生那原來這種事不是每個學校都有有這樣的人力那所以現在會有那第二個部分是我們開始透過經濟部去接洽企業\n\n05:10.041 --> 05:27.539\n像很多的企業就開始預先去找這些橋外生包括前一陣子經濟部也媒介了這個台電要修這個電網的這些廠商去找橋外生然後開始進行訓練所以我們是從學校的角度跟企業的角度我們雙軌並行\n\n05:28.956 --> 05:38.323\n但是現在還是有一個問題就是說我們現在要求的僱主他有一個門檻的要求就是他的資本額要大500萬或是營業額是1000萬以上那\n\n05:42.776 --> 06:06.885\n這兩個是貨所以兩個中有達到一個但是我要強調的是說你定資本額500萬以上的企業事實上在我們全國的稅籍登記的資料它只有占18%所以相對的就是還有另外82%的它是不在500萬以上當然這部分它可能就要需要用營業額1000萬去做它第二個要件\n\n06:07.445 --> 06:18.999\n那你們這樣看起來在這兩個要件之下大概國內有多少比例的企業可以符合可以符合他可以聘請喬愛森各位委員報告這部分有一些鬆綁我們請勞動部做說明\n\n06:23.184 --> 06:30.674\n委員是跟您報告一下基本上為了要配合國發會的攬才政策所以我們在111跟112已經陸續放寬了包括新創事業5加2產業還有六大核心戰略產業這些產業的這個500萬跟1000萬的限制我們都已經鬆綁了\n\n06:40.106 --> 07:02.921\n那這些產業大概已經佔到專業及技術人才裡面所以你說未來五百萬跟一千萬都沒有限制?都打開?等於是所有的企業都可以?重點產業那如果說還有在這個業別以外的那目的事業主管機關認為有需要我們有一個會商機制經會商之後一樣可以打開\n\n07:04.372 --> 07:32.314\n所以目前這個部分應該是已經解決了大部分喬惠孫所造成的一些就業上的困擾好那我再就教主委一個問題啦是關於移工嘛就是不是喬惠孫是單純的移工事實上很多移工朋友事實上跟我反映你包括日本跟韓國他們現在都已經開放說你到比方說到日本去移工他是可以帶他的家屬\n\n07:33.786 --> 08:00.973\n直接都可以到日本去帶家屬去而且家屬過去也可以工作那如果這一個家屬的工作有發生問題的時候當然就會有一點連坐法連著移工也一併要被遣送回去那個是罰則的部分但是我們講他開的這一個門就是說移工他可以帶著他的家屬一方面讓移工他們不用跟他的家人這個\n\n08:02.373 --> 08:19.546\n隔著非常遠的距離會有思鄉之苦。」第二個因為移工他的家人也過來他會希望在台灣有更安定的生活他也尋求更安定的工作所以他的工作態度或者是他們會盡量去避免\n\n08:21.308 --> 08:34.925\n違法避免犯規因為連坐的一個結果會變成他整個他的比如比方說他的爸爸媽媽兄弟姊妹來都要相對的要被送回去那我們台灣有可能走到這一步嗎?\n\n08:35.746 --> 08:48.950\n我們跟委員報告我們現在我們這次的修法裡面會把中階技術人才納進來就是中階技術的移工包括具備一定技術能力的焊接、模具這些我們都會納進來他就會適用這條\n\n08:51.371 --> 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