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00:00:53,961\n那我記得其實包含本席在內很多位的財委會的委員都提到這個強制保單的執行事上造成了一些我們比較弱勢的保護或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多甚至呢他可能他現在這個正在做保險給付的這些這個比較弱勢的這個保護的一個非常大的一個困擾\n\n3\n00:00:55,001 --> 00:01:11,877\n所以後來金管會也從善如流在今年的6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行那這一點其實是非常好但是它還是要透過修法\n\n4\n00:01:13,018 --> 00:01:39,972\n所以當時金管會的說法是提出來這八種的免除強制執行那麼馬上就要公告然後要送行政院而且對外表示要拼在這個下會期能夠在立法院能夠通過所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法因為到目前為止\n\n5\n00:01:40,752 --> 00:01:41,212\n所以我現在請問了\n\n6\n00:01:59,402 --> 00:02:20,574\n從上個會期6月份說要修法公告到目前為止修法在哪裡?是報告委員我們剛剛修正法預告結束我們收集了各方意見我們重新整理完已經簽報今天應該最近應該已經簽報會趕快送進行政院\n\n7\n00:02:21,744 --> 00:02:46,866\n所以現在還沒有送行政院因為我們剛剛結束預告的程序跟整合大家外界的意見所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院十月底之前嗎應該沒問題十月底之前送行政院那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢那我們就盡快的跟行政院報告請趕快協調其他部會開完會我們就盡快送大院審查\n\n8\n00:02:47,625 --> 00:03:15,361\n所以我不曉得我們的召委知不知道這件事情因為這個是知道那很好所以這個事情我們很希望說這個民眾普遍在關心的法案能夠盡快的完成修法好那我請問一下那麼現在你們的修法的這個相關的條文是不是還維持就是當時所宣布的那八項\n\n9\n00:03:16,535 --> 00:03:33,485\n現在因為主要是我們也收到很多預告的意見當時我們的八項送給私人參考其實他們在法院跟行政執行處他們看法都並不是完全參採這個因為實務上很多現在就是因為法律上沒有規定所以我們這次修法把它簡化因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險\n\n10\n00:03:35,546 --> 00:03:35,826\n好,那所以還是100萬嗎?\n\n11\n00:04:00,827 --> 00:04:25,347\n現在不是一百萬現在是多少現在我們是連結到我們的規劃是這樣我們是連結到行政執行法裡面一個最低生活津貼的大概幾個月做一個標準因為我們不希望定一個金額因為這個金額會隨著這個變動我們希望連結到一個比如說按照那個精神上面一個法律上的金額隨著這個東西移動所以我們會用這樣的方式來大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢\n\n12\n00:04:26,529 --> 00:04:28,837\n現在看起來這個金額的部分大概就是應該是20萬10到20萬之間\n\n13\n00:04:31,363 --> 00:04:58,671\n只有10到20萬就是解約金額10到20萬以上以下的話就不得作為還有我們明文的把健康險跟傷害險排除就不會有說剛剛講很多我們陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分那這部分的話就會把它明確化也統一的不管是法院或是那個行政執行處他們有一些不一樣的看法我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過能夠真的有一個法源以後呢我們法院比較好具以辦理\n\n14\n00:04:59,653 --> 00:05:02,474\n這個在我們在預告的時候很多人有提到就是說\n\n15\n00:05:17,381 --> 00:05:17,401\n王鴻議員\n\n16\n00:05:37,768 --> 00:06:06,321\n所以小兒中老保險也在裡面那有沒有一個額度呢?我們額度就統一在按照那個標準來做統一在一百萬?就是以那個最低生活需要的幾個月那你們整個的很限縮餒限縮很大唷那你們跟你們六月份對外所講的跟你們後來實際會送出的法案限縮很大耶那你限縮很大到時候又造成很多的民怨啊\n\n17\n00:06:07,362 --> 00:06:31,682\n這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才收集到各方其實也包括我們的那這樣子的話我們可能立法院就好好審一審因為我本來想說如果你們按照你們6月公告修法幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識那大家也覺得比較可以接受如果你們現在最後送來的法事實上是線索很多因為我當時就說啊因為很多人講說你給我留一個關財本好不好你如果10到20萬這\n\n18\n00:06:34,464 --> 00:06:34,484\n王鴻\n\n19\n00:06:53,066 --> 00:06:53,827\n時間稍微暫停一下我請我們的負稅署署長一起上來\n\n20\n00:07:23,703 --> 00:07:24,485\n副責署宋署長那個主委我還是要繼續就是主委來來來\n\n21\n00:07:36,465 --> 00:07:41,030\n因為前不久你接受媒體的採訪說在明年你們要推TISA這個是事實上過去你們金管會也一直要推的可是我們會推出一個因為像日本是有免稅還有一個免稅額度\n\n22\n00:07:57,288 --> 00:07:58,830\n但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像\n\n23\n00:08:12,148 --> 00:08:31,395\n就是你沒有任何的租稅減免然後只有一些優惠的手續費但事實上現在大家也知道有一些投信事實上有一些的它是已經有優惠的手續費了所以你們會不會出現一個似不像的一個這樣子的個人投資儲蓄賬戶\n\n24\n00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:56,543\n各位委員報告日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅所以他在他的NISA帳戶裡面他特別規定在定額的所得定額的所得是免稅的但是因為我們臺灣本身證券交易所得上市櫃的部分本來就全免那另外我們對於儲蓄儲蓄的利息金融機構儲還利息有27萬免稅\n\n25\n00:09:00,245 --> 00:09:25,981\n這27萬也800年都沒調過了這27萬800年沒調過了可是以臺灣的利率水準27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講那個本金是2000多萬2000多萬那我們如果再去看我們的股利我們的股利本身是有二則一課稅制度簡單講你都不用在公司就要預減稅因為我時間有限所以我要請教主委\n\n26\n00:09:26,801 --> 00:09:50,163\n按照現在財政部的說法就是不會給你任何的免稅說我們都有我們都已經有這個免稅那個免稅有什麼免稅額免稅額還有什麼分離課稅所以那你對你未來要推出的這個TISA你會有信心嗎以日本來講是因為他有免稅額他上路一個月就這個整個的帳戶餘額是暴增\n\n27\n00:09:54,066 --> 00:10:16,776\n對阿這個委員報告就是日本他確實在做TESA他很方便就直接把他那個資本利得免稅這樣就產生很大因為臺灣本來就是免稅在這一塊其實上我們已經沒有這個空間那至於說投信投顧公會提出以那個投資的兩萬四五年那個確實在資金的整個積增成本上非常的高我們評估的時候我們也覺得這個東西\n\n28\n00:10:17,756 --> 00:10:18,936\n所以你按照這樣的方式你要如期上路\n\n29\n00:10:40,207 --> 00:10:53,315\n那你有信心嗎?你有信心嗎?就是到時候你上路之後如果大家對這信息缺缺按照這看起來那跟我現在我存在銀行沒有這個特殊特別的什麼儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊\n\n30\n00:10:53,717 --> 00:10:54,057\n王鴻威委員\n\n31\n00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:28,805\n我們各位列席的出席官員可以在座位上吃便當因為我們可能會開到2點\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1390\t26827\t主委好在上個會期討論非常多的就是因為大法官釋憲就是人民的保單可以強制執行那當時引起了非常非常多的爭議而且我們民意代表也接到了非常多的陳情\n27788\t53961\t那我記得其實包含本席在內很多位的財委會的委員都提到這個強制保單的執行事上造成了一些我們比較弱勢的保護或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多甚至呢他可能他現在這個正在做保險給付的這些這個比較弱勢的這個保護的一個非常大的一個困擾\n55001\t71877\t所以後來金管會也從善如流在今年的6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行那這一點其實是非常好但是它還是要透過修法\n73018\t99972\t所以當時金管會的說法是提出來這八種的免除強制執行那麼馬上就要公告然後要送行政院而且對外表示要拼在這個下會期能夠在立法院能夠通過所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法因為到目前為止\n100752\t101212\t所以我現在請問了\n119402\t140574\t從上個會期6月份說要修法公告到目前為止修法在哪裡?是 報告委員我們剛剛修正法預告結束我們收集了各方意見我們重新整理完已經簽報今天應該最近應該已經簽報會趕快送進行政院\n141744\t166866\t所以現在還沒有送行政院因為我們剛剛結束預告的程序跟整合大家外界的意見所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院十月底之前嗎應該沒問題十月底之前送行政院那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢那我們就盡快的跟行政院報告請趕快協調其他部會開完會我們就盡快送大院審查\n167625\t195361\t所以我不曉得我們的召委知不知道這件事情因為這個是知道那很好所以這個事情我們很希望說這個民眾普遍在關心的法案能夠盡快的完成修法好那我請問一下那麼現在你們的修法的這個相關的條文是不是還維持就是當時所宣布的那八項\n196535\t213485\t現在因為主要是我們也收到很多預告的意見當時我們的八項送給私人參考其實他們在法院跟行政執行處他們看法都並不是完全參採這個因為實務上很多現在就是因為法律上沒有規定所以我們這次修法把它簡化因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險\n215546\t215826\t好,那所以還是100萬嗎?\n240827\t265347\t現在不是一百萬現在是多少現在我們是連結到我們的規劃是這樣我們是連結到行政執行法裡面一個最低生活津貼的大概幾個月做一個標準因為我們不希望定一個金額因為這個金額會隨著這個變動我們希望連結到一個比如說按照那個精神上面一個法律上的金額隨著這個東西移動所以我們會用這樣的方式來大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢\n266529\t268837\t現在看起來這個金額的部分大概就是應該是20萬10到20萬之間\n271363\t298671\t只有10到20萬就是解約金額10到20萬以上以下的話就不得作為還有我們明文的把健康險跟傷害險排除就不會有說剛剛講很多我們陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分那這部分的話就會把它明確化也統一的不管是法院或是那個行政執行處他們有一些不一樣的看法我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過能夠真的有一個法源以後呢我們法院比較好具以辦理\n299653\t302474\t這個在我們在預告的時候很多人有提到就是說\n317381\t317401\t王鴻議員\n337768\t366321\t所以小兒中老保險也在裡面那有沒有一個額度呢?我們額度就統一在按照那個標準來做統一在一百萬?就是以那個最低生活需要的幾個月那你們整個的很限縮餒限縮很大唷那你們跟你們六月份對外所講的跟你們後來實際會送出的法案限縮很大耶那你限縮很大到時候又造成很多的民怨啊\n367362\t391682\t這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才收集到各方其實也包括我們的那這樣子的話我們可能立法院就好好審一審因為我本來想說如果你們按照你們6月公告修法幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識那大家也覺得比較可以接受如果你們現在最後送來的法事實上是線索很多因為我當時就說啊因為很多人講說你給我留一個關財本好不好你如果10到20萬這\n394464\t394484\t王鴻\n413066\t413827\t時間稍微暫停一下我請我們的負稅署署長一起上來\n443703\t444485\t副責署宋署長那個主委我還是要繼續就是主委來來來\n456465\t461030\t因為前不久你接受媒體的採訪說在明年你們要推TISA這個是事實上過去你們金管會也一直要推的可是我們會推出一個因為像日本是有免稅還有一個免稅額度\n477288\t478830\t但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像\n492148\t511395\t就是你沒有任何的租稅減免然後只有一些優惠的手續費但事實上現在大家也知道有一些投信事實上有一些的它是已經有優惠的手續費了所以你們會不會出現一個似不像的一個這樣子的個人投資儲蓄賬戶\n514639\t536543\t各位委員報告日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅所以他在他的NISA帳戶裡面他特別規定在定額的所得定額的所得是免稅的但是因為我們臺灣本身證券交易所得上市櫃的部分本來就全免那另外我們對於儲蓄儲蓄的利息金融機構儲還利息有27萬免稅\n540245\t565981\t這27萬也800年都沒調過了這27萬800年沒調過了可是以臺灣的利率水準27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講那個本金是2000多萬2000多萬那我們如果再去看我們的股利我們的股利本身是有二則一課稅制度簡單講你都不用在公司就要預減稅因為我時間有限所以我要請教主委\n566801\t590163\t按照現在財政部的說法就是不會給你任何的免稅說我們都有我們都已經有這個免稅那個免稅有什麼免稅額免稅額還有什麼分離課稅所以那你對你未來要推出的這個TISA你會有信心嗎以日本來講是因為他有免稅額他上路一個月就這個整個的帳戶餘額是暴增\n594066\t616776\t對阿 這個委員報告就是日本他確實在做TESA他很方便就直接把他那個資本利得免稅這樣就產生很大因為臺灣本來就是免稅在這一塊其實上我們已經沒有這個空間那至於說投信投顧公會提出以那個投資的兩萬四五年那個確實在資金的整個積增成本上非常的高我們評估的時候我們也覺得這個東西\n617756\t618936\t所以你按照這樣的方式你要如期上路\n640207\t653315\t那你有信心嗎?你有信心嗎?就是到時候你上路之後如果大家對這信息缺缺按照這看起來那跟我現在我存在銀行沒有這個特殊特別的什麼儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊\n653717\t654057\t王鴻威委員\n683073\t688805\t我們各位列席的出席官員可以在座位上吃便當因為我們可能會開到2點\n","txt":"主委好在上個會期討論非常多的就是因為大法官釋憲就是人民的保單可以強制執行那當時引起了非常非常多的爭議而且我們民意代表也接到了非常多的陳情\n那我記得其實包含本席在內很多位的財委會的委員都提到這個強制保單的執行事上造成了一些我們比較弱勢的保護或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多甚至呢他可能他現在這個正在做保險給付的這些這個比較弱勢的這個保護的一個非常大的一個困擾\n所以後來金管會也從善如流在今年的6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行那這一點其實是非常好但是它還是要透過修法\n所以當時金管會的說法是提出來這八種的免除強制執行那麼馬上就要公告然後要送行政院而且對外表示要拼在這個下會期能夠在立法院能夠通過所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法因為到目前為止\n所以我現在請問了\n從上個會期6月份說要修法公告到目前為止修法在哪裡?是 報告委員我們剛剛修正法預告結束我們收集了各方意見我們重新整理完已經簽報今天應該最近應該已經簽報會趕快送進行政院\n所以現在還沒有送行政院因為我們剛剛結束預告的程序跟整合大家外界的意見所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院十月底之前嗎應該沒問題十月底之前送行政院那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢那我們就盡快的跟行政院報告請趕快協調其他部會開完會我們就盡快送大院審查\n所以我不曉得我們的召委知不知道這件事情因為這個是知道那很好所以這個事情我們很希望說這個民眾普遍在關心的法案能夠盡快的完成修法好那我請問一下那麼現在你們的修法的這個相關的條文是不是還維持就是當時所宣布的那八項\n現在因為主要是我們也收到很多預告的意見當時我們的八項送給私人參考其實他們在法院跟行政執行處他們看法都並不是完全參採這個因為實務上很多現在就是因為法律上沒有規定所以我們這次修法把它簡化因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險\n好,那所以還是100萬嗎?\n現在不是一百萬現在是多少現在我們是連結到我們的規劃是這樣我們是連結到行政執行法裡面一個最低生活津貼的大概幾個月做一個標準因為我們不希望定一個金額因為這個金額會隨著這個變動我們希望連結到一個比如說按照那個精神上面一個法律上的金額隨著這個東西移動所以我們會用這樣的方式來大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢\n現在看起來這個金額的部分大概就是應該是20萬10到20萬之間\n只有10到20萬就是解約金額10到20萬以上以下的話就不得作為還有我們明文的把健康險跟傷害險排除就不會有說剛剛講很多我們陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分那這部分的話就會把它明確化也統一的不管是法院或是那個行政執行處他們有一些不一樣的看法我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過能夠真的有一個法源以後呢我們法院比較好具以辦理\n這個在我們在預告的時候很多人有提到就是說\n王鴻議員\n所以小兒中老保險也在裡面那有沒有一個額度呢?我們額度就統一在按照那個標準來做統一在一百萬?就是以那個最低生活需要的幾個月那你們整個的很限縮餒限縮很大唷那你們跟你們六月份對外所講的跟你們後來實際會送出的法案限縮很大耶那你限縮很大到時候又造成很多的民怨啊\n這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才收集到各方其實也包括我們的那這樣子的話我們可能立法院就好好審一審因為我本來想說如果你們按照你們6月公告修法幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識那大家也覺得比較可以接受如果你們現在最後送來的法事實上是線索很多因為我當時就說啊因為很多人講說你給我留一個關財本好不好你如果10到20萬這\n王鴻\n時間稍微暫停一下我請我們的負稅署署長一起上來\n副責署宋署長那個主委我還是要繼續就是主委來來來\n因為前不久你接受媒體的採訪說在明年你們要推TISA這個是事實上過去你們金管會也一直要推的可是我們會推出一個因為像日本是有免稅還有一個免稅額度\n但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像\n就是你沒有任何的租稅減免然後只有一些優惠的手續費但事實上現在大家也知道有一些投信事實上有一些的它是已經有優惠的手續費了所以你們會不會出現一個似不像的一個這樣子的個人投資儲蓄賬戶\n各位委員報告日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅所以他在他的NISA帳戶裡面他特別規定在定額的所得定額的所得是免稅的但是因為我們臺灣本身證券交易所得上市櫃的部分本來就全免那另外我們對於儲蓄儲蓄的利息金融機構儲還利息有27萬免稅\n這27萬也800年都沒調過了這27萬800年沒調過了可是以臺灣的利率水準27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講那個本金是2000多萬2000多萬那我們如果再去看我們的股利我們的股利本身是有二則一課稅制度簡單講你都不用在公司就要預減稅因為我時間有限所以我要請教主委\n按照現在財政部的說法就是不會給你任何的免稅說我們都有我們都已經有這個免稅那個免稅有什麼免稅額免稅額還有什麼分離課稅所以那你對你未來要推出的這個TISA你會有信心嗎以日本來講是因為他有免稅額他上路一個月就這個整個的帳戶餘額是暴增\n對阿 這個委員報告就是日本他確實在做TESA他很方便就直接把他那個資本利得免稅這樣就產生很大因為臺灣本來就是免稅在這一塊其實上我們已經沒有這個空間那至於說投信投顧公會提出以那個投資的兩萬四五年那個確實在資金的整個積增成本上非常的高我們評估的時候我們也覺得這個東西\n所以你按照這樣的方式你要如期上路\n那你有信心嗎?你有信心嗎?就是到時候你上路之後如果大家對這信息缺缺按照這看起來那跟我現在我存在銀行沒有這個特殊特別的什麼儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊\n王鴻威委員\n我們各位列席的出席官員可以在座位上吃便當因為我們可能會開到2點\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.390 --> 00:26.827\n主委好在上個會期討論非常多的就是因為大法官釋憲就是人民的保單可以強制執行那當時引起了非常非常多的爭議而且我們民意代表也接到了非常多的陳情\n\n00:27.788 --> 00:53.961\n那我記得其實包含本席在內很多位的財委會的委員都提到這個強制保單的執行事上造成了一些我們比較弱勢的保護或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多甚至呢他可能他現在這個正在做保險給付的這些這個比較弱勢的這個保護的一個非常大的一個困擾\n\n00:55.001 --> 01:11.877\n所以後來金管會也從善如流在今年的6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行那這一點其實是非常好但是它還是要透過修法\n\n01:13.018 --> 01:39.972\n所以當時金管會的說法是提出來這八種的免除強制執行那麼馬上就要公告然後要送行政院而且對外表示要拼在這個下會期能夠在立法院能夠通過所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法因為到目前為止\n\n01:40.752 --> 01:41.212\n所以我現在請問了\n\n01:59.402 --> 02:20.574\n從上個會期6月份說要修法公告到目前為止修法在哪裡?是報告委員我們剛剛修正法預告結束我們收集了各方意見我們重新整理完已經簽報今天應該最近應該已經簽報會趕快送進行政院\n\n02:21.744 --> 02:46.866\n所以現在還沒有送行政院因為我們剛剛結束預告的程序跟整合大家外界的意見所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院十月底之前嗎應該沒問題十月底之前送行政院那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢那我們就盡快的跟行政院報告請趕快協調其他部會開完會我們就盡快送大院審查\n\n02:47.625 --> 03:15.361\n所以我不曉得我們的召委知不知道這件事情因為這個是知道那很好所以這個事情我們很希望說這個民眾普遍在關心的法案能夠盡快的完成修法好那我請問一下那麼現在你們的修法的這個相關的條文是不是還維持就是當時所宣布的那八項\n\n03:16.535 --> 03:33.485\n現在因為主要是我們也收到很多預告的意見當時我們的八項送給私人參考其實他們在法院跟行政執行處他們看法都並不是完全參採這個因為實務上很多現在就是因為法律上沒有規定所以我們這次修法把它簡化因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險\n\n03:35.546 --> 03:35.826\n好,那所以還是100萬嗎?\n\n04:00.827 --> 04:25.347\n現在不是一百萬現在是多少現在我們是連結到我們的規劃是這樣我們是連結到行政執行法裡面一個最低生活津貼的大概幾個月做一個標準因為我們不希望定一個金額因為這個金額會隨著這個變動我們希望連結到一個比如說按照那個精神上面一個法律上的金額隨著這個東西移動所以我們會用這樣的方式來大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢\n\n04:26.529 --> 04:28.837\n現在看起來這個金額的部分大概就是應該是20萬10到20萬之間\n\n04:31.363 --> 04:58.671\n只有10到20萬就是解約金額10到20萬以上以下的話就不得作為還有我們明文的把健康險跟傷害險排除就不會有說剛剛講很多我們陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分那這部分的話就會把它明確化也統一的不管是法院或是那個行政執行處他們有一些不一樣的看法我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過能夠真的有一個法源以後呢我們法院比較好具以辦理\n\n04:59.653 --> 05:02.474\n這個在我們在預告的時候很多人有提到就是說\n\n05:17.381 --> 05:17.401\n王鴻議員\n\n05:37.768 --> 06:06.321\n所以小兒中老保險也在裡面那有沒有一個額度呢?我們額度就統一在按照那個標準來做統一在一百萬?就是以那個最低生活需要的幾個月那你們整個的很限縮餒限縮很大唷那你們跟你們六月份對外所講的跟你們後來實際會送出的法案限縮很大耶那你限縮很大到時候又造成很多的民怨啊\n\n06:07.362 --> 06:31.682\n這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才收集到各方其實也包括我們的那這樣子的話我們可能立法院就好好審一審因為我本來想說如果你們按照你們6月公告修法幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識那大家也覺得比較可以接受如果你們現在最後送來的法事實上是線索很多因為我當時就說啊因為很多人講說你給我留一個關財本好不好你如果10到20萬這\n\n06:34.464 --> 06:34.484\n王鴻\n\n06:53.066 --> 06:53.827\n時間稍微暫停一下我請我們的負稅署署長一起上來\n\n07:23.703 --> 07:24.485\n副責署宋署長那個主委我還是要繼續就是主委來來來\n\n07:36.465 --> 07:41.030\n因為前不久你接受媒體的採訪說在明年你們要推TISA這個是事實上過去你們金管會也一直要推的可是我們會推出一個因為像日本是有免稅還有一個免稅額度\n\n07:57.288 --> 07:58.830\n但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像\n\n08:12.148 --> 08:31.395\n就是你沒有任何的租稅減免然後只有一些優惠的手續費但事實上現在大家也知道有一些投信事實上有一些的它是已經有優惠的手續費了所以你們會不會出現一個似不像的一個這樣子的個人投資儲蓄賬戶\n\n08:34.639 --> 08:56.543\n各位委員報告日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅所以他在他的NISA帳戶裡面他特別規定在定額的所得定額的所得是免稅的但是因為我們臺灣本身證券交易所得上市櫃的部分本來就全免那另外我們對於儲蓄儲蓄的利息金融機構儲還利息有27萬免稅\n\n09:00.245 --> 09:25.981\n這27萬也800年都沒調過了這27萬800年沒調過了可是以臺灣的利率水準27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講那個本金是2000多萬2000多萬那我們如果再去看我們的股利我們的股利本身是有二則一課稅制度簡單講你都不用在公司就要預減稅因為我時間有限所以我要請教主委\n\n09:26.801 --> 09:50.163\n按照現在財政部的說法就是不會給你任何的免稅說我們都有我們都已經有這個免稅那個免稅有什麼免稅額免稅額還有什麼分離課稅所以那你對你未來要推出的這個TISA你會有信心嗎以日本來講是因為他有免稅額他上路一個月就這個整個的帳戶餘額是暴增\n\n09:54.066 --> 10:16.776\n對阿這個委員報告就是日本他確實在做TESA他很方便就直接把他那個資本利得免稅這樣就產生很大因為臺灣本來就是免稅在這一塊其實上我們已經沒有這個空間那至於說投信投顧公會提出以那個投資的兩萬四五年那個確實在資金的整個積增成本上非常的高我們評估的時候我們也覺得這個東西\n\n10:17.756 --> 10:18.936\n所以你按照這樣的方式你要如期上路\n\n10:40.207 --> 10:53.315\n那你有信心嗎?你有信心嗎?就是到時候你上路之後如果大家對這信息缺缺按照這看起來那跟我現在我存在銀行沒有這個特殊特別的什麼儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊\n\n10:53.717 --> 10:54.057\n王鴻威委員\n\n11:23.073 --> 11:28.805\n我們各位列席的出席官員可以在座位上吃便當因為我們可能會開到2點\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.39,"end":26.827,"text":"主委好在上個會期討論非常多的就是因為大法官釋憲就是人民的保單可以強制執行那當時引起了非常非常多的爭議而且我們民意代表也接到了非常多的陳情"},{"start":27.788,"end":53.961,"text":"那我記得其實包含本席在內很多位的財委會的委員都提到這個強制保單的執行事上造成了一些我們比較弱勢的保護或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多甚至呢他可能他現在這個正在做保險給付的這些這個比較弱勢的這個保護的一個非常大的一個困擾"},{"start":55.001,"end":71.877,"text":"所以後來金管會也從善如流在今年的6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行那這一點其實是非常好但是它還是要透過修法"},{"start":73.018,"end":99.972,"text":"所以當時金管會的說法是提出來這八種的免除強制執行那麼馬上就要公告然後要送行政院而且對外表示要拼在這個下會期能夠在立法院能夠通過所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法因為到目前為止"},{"start":100.752,"end":101.212,"text":"所以我現在請問了"},{"start":119.402,"end":140.574,"text":"從上個會期6月份說要修法公告到目前為止修法在哪裡?是 報告委員我們剛剛修正法預告結束我們收集了各方意見我們重新整理完已經簽報今天應該最近應該已經簽報會趕快送進行政院"},{"start":141.744,"end":166.866,"text":"所以現在還沒有送行政院因為我們剛剛結束預告的程序跟整合大家外界的意見所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院十月底之前嗎應該沒問題十月底之前送行政院那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢那我們就盡快的跟行政院報告請趕快協調其他部會開完會我們就盡快送大院審查"},{"start":167.625,"end":195.361,"text":"所以我不曉得我們的召委知不知道這件事情因為這個是知道那很好所以這個事情我們很希望說這個民眾普遍在關心的法案能夠盡快的完成修法好那我請問一下那麼現在你們的修法的這個相關的條文是不是還維持就是當時所宣布的那八項"},{"start":196.535,"end":213.485,"text":"現在因為主要是我們也收到很多預告的意見當時我們的八項送給私人參考其實他們在法院跟行政執行處他們看法都並不是完全參採這個因為實務上很多現在就是因為法律上沒有規定所以我們這次修法把它簡化因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險"},{"start":215.546,"end":215.826,"text":"好,那所以還是100萬嗎?"},{"start":240.827,"end":265.347,"text":"現在不是一百萬現在是多少現在我們是連結到我們的規劃是這樣我們是連結到行政執行法裡面一個最低生活津貼的大概幾個月做一個標準因為我們不希望定一個金額因為這個金額會隨著這個變動我們希望連結到一個比如說按照那個精神上面一個法律上的金額隨著這個東西移動所以我們會用這樣的方式來大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢"},{"start":266.529,"end":268.837,"text":"現在看起來這個金額的部分大概就是應該是20萬10到20萬之間"},{"start":271.363,"end":298.671,"text":"只有10到20萬就是解約金額10到20萬以上以下的話就不得作為還有我們明文的把健康險跟傷害險排除就不會有說剛剛講很多我們陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分那這部分的話就會把它明確化也統一的不管是法院或是那個行政執行處他們有一些不一樣的看法我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過能夠真的有一個法源以後呢我們法院比較好具以辦理"},{"start":299.653,"end":302.474,"text":"這個在我們在預告的時候很多人有提到就是說"},{"start":317.381,"end":317.401,"text":"王鴻議員"},{"start":337.768,"end":366.321,"text":"所以小兒中老保險也在裡面那有沒有一個額度呢?我們額度就統一在按照那個標準來做統一在一百萬?就是以那個最低生活需要的幾個月那你們整個的很限縮餒限縮很大唷那你們跟你們六月份對外所講的跟你們後來實際會送出的法案限縮很大耶那你限縮很大到時候又造成很多的民怨啊"},{"start":367.362,"end":391.682,"text":"這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才收集到各方其實也包括我們的那這樣子的話我們可能立法院就好好審一審因為我本來想說如果你們按照你們6月公告修法幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識那大家也覺得比較可以接受如果你們現在最後送來的法事實上是線索很多因為我當時就說啊因為很多人講說你給我留一個關財本好不好你如果10到20萬這"},{"start":394.464,"end":394.484,"text":"王鴻"},{"start":413.066,"end":413.827,"text":"時間稍微暫停一下我請我們的負稅署署長一起上來"},{"start":443.703,"end":444.485,"text":"副責署宋署長那個主委我還是要繼續就是主委來來來"},{"start":456.465,"end":461.03,"text":"因為前不久你接受媒體的採訪說在明年你們要推TISA這個是事實上過去你們金管會也一直要推的可是我們會推出一個因為像日本是有免稅還有一個免稅額度"},{"start":477.288,"end":478.83,"text":"但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像"},{"start":492.148,"end":511.395,"text":"就是你沒有任何的租稅減免然後只有一些優惠的手續費但事實上現在大家也知道有一些投信事實上有一些的它是已經有優惠的手續費了所以你們會不會出現一個似不像的一個這樣子的個人投資儲蓄賬戶"},{"start":514.639,"end":536.543,"text":"各位委員報告日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅所以他在他的NISA帳戶裡面他特別規定在定額的所得定額的所得是免稅的但是因為我們臺灣本身證券交易所得上市櫃的部分本來就全免那另外我們對於儲蓄儲蓄的利息金融機構儲還利息有27萬免稅"},{"start":540.245,"end":565.981,"text":"這27萬也800年都沒調過了這27萬800年沒調過了可是以臺灣的利率水準27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講那個本金是2000多萬2000多萬那我們如果再去看我們的股利我們的股利本身是有二則一課稅制度簡單講你都不用在公司就要預減稅因為我時間有限所以我要請教主委"},{"start":566.801,"end":590.163,"text":"按照現在財政部的說法就是不會給你任何的免稅說我們都有我們都已經有這個免稅那個免稅有什麼免稅額免稅額還有什麼分離課稅所以那你對你未來要推出的這個TISA你會有信心嗎以日本來講是因為他有免稅額他上路一個月就這個整個的帳戶餘額是暴增"},{"start":594.066,"end":616.776,"text":"對阿 這個委員報告就是日本他確實在做TESA他很方便就直接把他那個資本利得免稅這樣就產生很大因為臺灣本來就是免稅在這一塊其實上我們已經沒有這個空間那至於說投信投顧公會提出以那個投資的兩萬四五年那個確實在資金的整個積增成本上非常的高我們評估的時候我們也覺得這個東西"},{"start":617.756,"end":618.936,"text":"所以你按照這樣的方式你要如期上路"},{"start":640.207,"end":653.315,"text":"那你有信心嗎?你有信心嗎?就是到時候你上路之後如果大家對這信息缺缺按照這看起來那跟我現在我存在銀行沒有這個特殊特別的什麼儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊"},{"start":653.717,"end":654.057,"text":"王鴻威委員"},{"start":683.073,"end":688.805,"text":"我們各位列席的出席官員可以在座位上吃便當因為我們可能會開到2點"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":923,"blocks":[["王委員鴻薇：（12時3分）好，謝謝主席，我請彭主委。"],["主席：請主委。"],["王委員鴻薇：主委好。"],["彭主任委員金隆：委員好。"],["王委員鴻薇：在上個會期討論非常多的，就是因為大法官釋憲人民的保單可以強制執行，當時引起了非常多的爭議，而且我們民意代表也接到了非常多的陳情。我記得包含本席在內，很多位財委會的委員都提到，這個強制保單的執行，事實上造成了一些比較弱勢的保戶，或者他的保單金額沒有這麼多，甚至他現在可能正在做保險給付等，這些比較弱勢的保戶，造成一個非常大的困擾。","後來金管會也從善如流，在今年6月份宣布有8種可以免除強制執行，這一點其實非常好，但還是要透過修法。當時金管會的說法是，提出這8種免除強制執行，然後馬上公告送行政院，並對外表示要拚下會期能夠在立法院通過。所以我們也非常希望趕快等到這個修法，因為到目前為止，以我們辦公室來說，到現在還有很多的保戶在關心這個進度，我去跑行程的時候也有民眾會攔轎喊冤，在關心這件事。所以我現在請問，從上個會期6月份說要修法公告，到目前為止修法在哪裡？"],["彭主任委員金隆：報告委員，我們修正法剛預告結束，蒐集了各方意見，我們重新整理完，最近應該已經簽報，會趕快送進行政院。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以現在還沒有送行政院？"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為我們剛結束預告的程序，跟整合外界的意見。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以你們預計什麼時候要送行政院，10月底之前嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：應該沒問題。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，10月底之前送行政院，那大概什麼時候會送進立法院審查呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們就儘快的跟行政院報告，趕快協調其他部會開完會，儘快送大院審查。"],["王委員鴻薇：我不曉得我們召委知不知道這件事情？知道，那很好。所以我們很希望這個民眾普遍在關心的法案，能夠儘快的完成修法。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，我們也是朝這個方向努力。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，那我請問一下，現在你們修法的相關條文是不是還維持當時所宣布的那8項？"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為我們也收到很多預告的意見，比如當時我們的8項送給司法院參考，其實他們在法院跟行政執行處都不是完全參採這個。現在就是因為法律上沒有規定，所以我們這次的修法把它簡化，因為大法庭裡面的決議是針對人壽保險，本來就不含健康跟傷害險。但是因為我們的年金險，大概也會跟人壽保險很像，也是很高的儲蓄性質。所以我們這次修法就針對人壽險跟年金險的解約金，達到一定金額以上的才可以作為強制執行的對象。我們把它簡化以後也考慮到這個問題，這個案子會趕快送過來。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以還是100萬嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：現在不是100萬。"],["王委員鴻薇：現在是多少？"],["彭主任委員金隆：現在的規劃是這樣，我們是連結到行政執行法裡面，最低生活津貼大概幾個月做一個標準。我們不希望訂一個金額，因為這個金額會隨著東西變動，所以我們希望連結到一個，比如說按照法律上的金額隨著這個移動，我們會用這樣的方式來訂定。"],["王委員鴻薇：那大概會落在什麼樣的區間呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：現在看起來金額的部分大概就是20萬，10到20萬之間。"],["王委員鴻薇：只有10到20萬，就是解約金額10到20萬是不是？"],["彭主任委員金隆：以上，以下的話就不得作為，還有我們明文把健康險跟傷害險排除，就不會有剛剛講的，陳情案最多的就是醫療險的部分。那這部分就會把它明確化，也統一了，不管是法院或是行政執行處，他們有一些不一樣的看法，我們也希望這個法案能夠趕快通過，真的有一個法源以後，我們法院比較好據以辦理。"],["王委員鴻薇：另外，其中有一項是小額終老保險以外的人壽保險，每個保險人合併之後，保險金沒有超過100萬額度以內，那個還存在嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：這個在我們預告的時候有很多人提到，不希望保險成為規避債務的方法，所以我們現在就把它簡化，只要是人壽保險就全部都以人壽保險。我們回到大法庭的解釋，就是他只針對人壽保險，我們就針對人壽保險，還有衍生出來年金險的部分，所以當然小額終老保險也涵蓋在人壽保險的範圍之內。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以小額終老保險也在裡面？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["王委員鴻薇：有沒有一個額度呢？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們額度就統一按照那個標準來做，其實……"],["王委員鴻薇：統一在100萬？"],["彭主任委員金隆：就是以最低生活需要的幾個月。"],["王委員鴻薇：哇！你們整個很限縮欸！限縮很大喔！"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，因為主要是我們想解決……"],["王委員鴻薇：你們6月份對外所講的，跟你們後來實際送出的法案，限縮很大耶！"],["彭主任委員金隆：其實我們……"],["王委員鴻薇：你限縮很大，到時候又造成很多的民怨。"],["彭主任委員金隆：這個問題我們也是因為透過預告的時候才蒐集到各方，其實也包括我們的……"],["王委員鴻薇：這樣子的話，我們立法院可能就要好好審一審，如果你們是按照你們6月的公告修法，幾乎是那時候大家都比較達成一定的共識，大家也覺得比較可以接受。如果你們最後送來的法，事實上是限縮很多，因為我當時就說，很多人講你給我留一個棺材本好不好？如果是10到20萬，這很多人很難接受啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：剛剛看的是以保險給付，我們是解約金的角度，其實這個介入權最重要的概念是，他同時衡平的保護債權人跟債務人，那也不能過度偏廢於債務人，其實債權人權益也是要考慮的，所以這個重點不在於說……"],["王委員鴻薇：但是我覺得這個額度還是要調整，不然以現在的物價之高，尤其在臺北市，六都的生活水準，我覺得你們都要把它涵蓋在內。"],["彭主任委員金隆：確實我覺得在未來……"],["王委員鴻薇：我希望在你們送出之前，還是能夠做一些調整，否則的話到我們這邊來大修啦！對不對？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的，我們會來考慮這件事情，我們應該是近期趕快，因為這已經……"],["王委員鴻薇：好，時間稍微暫停一下，我請我們的賦稅署署長一起上來。"],["主席：請賦稅署宋署長。"],["王委員鴻薇：主委，前不久你接受媒體的採訪，說在明年你們要推TISA。事實上過去金管會也一直要推，可是我們會推出一個……因為像日本是有免稅，他有一個免稅額度，但還有一些負擔的手續費。但是我們臺灣非常不一樣，就是沒有免稅，當然就是源於財政部不准嘛！但是這樣的推出會不會變成四不像？就是你沒有任何的租稅減免，只有一些優惠的手續費，但事實上現在大家也知道，有一些投信已經有優惠的手續費了，所以你們會不會出現一個四不像的個人投資儲蓄帳戶？"],["宋署長秀玲：跟委員報告，日本是因為他有很多所得要課稅，所以他在NISA帳戶裡面特別規定，在定額的所得是免稅的。但是因為我們臺灣本身，證券交易所上市櫃的部分本來就全免，另外我們對於儲蓄的利息，金融機構存款利息有27萬免稅，這個……"],["王委員鴻薇：這27萬也800年沒調過啦！"],["宋署長秀玲：可是因為以臺灣的利率水準，27萬利息所得免稅倒推來講，那個本金是2,000多萬，如果再去看我們的股利，我們的股利本身是有二擇一課稅制度，簡單講，你都不用在公司機關預繳稅款就有可抵減稅額……"],["王委員鴻薇：好，因為我時間有限，我要請教主委，按照現在財政部的說法，就是不會給你任何的免稅，說我們都已經有這個免稅、那個免稅，有什麼免稅額，還有什麼分離課稅，所以你對未來要推出的這個TISA，你會有信心嗎？以日本來講，是因為他有免稅額，他上路一個月整個帳戶的餘額是暴增欸！"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，確實日本在做TISA很方便，就直接把資本利得免稅，這樣就產生很大的誘因，但因為臺灣本來就是免稅，在這一塊其實我們已經沒有這個空間。至於投信投顧公會提出以投資的2萬4,000五年，那個在整個資金的激增成本上非常的高，我們評估的時候，也覺得這個東西不太可能。再來直接扣2萬4,000的投資，其實所能產生的稅負效果很微小，我們後來才請賦稅署給我們盤點一下現在的這些資訊，這個的好處比原來投信投顧公會提的好很多，所以我們想先讓制度先行。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以按照這樣的方式，你要如期上路，你有信心嗎？到時上路之後，如果大家對這個興趣缺缺，按照這個看起來，跟我現在存在銀行沒有特別的儲蓄投資帳戶也差不多啊！"],["彭主任委員金隆：其實還是有差別，我想這個點可能副主委能作更專業的說明。"],["王委員鴻薇：我只問你有沒有信心啊？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我是有信心。"],["王委員鴻薇：你有信心？因為馬上就會驗證到，你什麼時候要上路呢？明年？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們還要跟集保，及相關參與的投信投顧……"],["王委員鴻薇：預計。"],["彭主任委員金隆：我想明年上半年應該可以上路。"],["王委員鴻薇：上半年是不是？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，因為今年已經剩下兩個月而已。"],["王委員鴻薇：對，沒有錯，好，拭目以待了，謝謝。"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員，各位列席官員可以在座位上吃便當，因為我們可能會開到2點，中間不休息，自由用餐，謝謝。接著我們請王世堅王委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":308,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-4","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","李坤城","賴士葆","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王鴻薇","王世堅","廖先翔","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","葉元之","沈發惠","葛如鈞","賴瑞隆","羅明才","邱志偉","林楚茵"],"page_start":225,"meetingDate":["2024-10-24"],"gazette_id":"1138901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經\n濟部、交通部就「政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之具體作為暨如何協助金融科技及新創產\n業籌資現況與未來發展」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138901_00004"}}}