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00:02:46,251\n我的問題就是在於說啦1比1或1比2都會有就是說就變成是說那如果沒有客運業者這個業績這個債運沒有受到影響的話那當然就是這個還可以維持下去但是在COVID-19之後整個都受到影響了嘛大家客運的人就減少了那變成說司機的薪水變相也減少了是不是有這個問題\n\n9\n00:02:48,639 --> 00:03:09,195\n如果班次少他的收入當然就會減少對啊就會減少那所以就是說這是剛才部長提到的第二點就是說他是心智的問題心智的問題那我們剛才有看到這一個現在在這個臺北車站吧臺北這一個營運站他那一個這個二樓的這一個我們看一下那一個照片這一個國道客運的臺北轉運站二樓是淪為空城那為什麼\n\n10\n00:03:18,580 --> 00:03:42,929\n當然客運業者他的業績狀況不太好這個大家都知道那再來就租金非常的高在二樓可能聽說要幾百對啊那過去過去還真的過去那因為現在就是生意不好沒有這麼多人在那邊了嘛對啊那所以說臺北轉運站的二樓現在這個大概三四家租金比較便宜所以二樓現在就變成空城了嘛\n\n11\n00:03:44,029 --> 00:04:12,840\n國道客運的載客量衰退36%那也造成說那個業者他們的這一個營運的這個壓力增加那所以我要請教一下部長跟局長就是說第一個當然我們希望說能夠幫這一個司機來加薪水那加薪水這部分的話我看地方政府是有在做地方政府他們有在補助就是說這個比如像雙北大概\n\n12\n00:04:13,460 --> 00:04:40,118\n有可能在年底的時候會補助大概六千塊左右那這部分的話在中央的部分的話對於這個國道科育業者有沒有這個想法或是說有這個機會來補助來補助這個我們這個國道科育業者報告委員這個補助地方政府會補助那我想中央也都有中央的補助是我們挑到這個那中央的補助勒\n\n13\n00:04:41,898 --> 00:05:10,297\n跟委員報告就是說基本上其實在整個的運價包括這一個公路客運跟國道客運的運價其實這兩年已經都做了相關的調整了合理的反映他們的運輸的成本那運價調整之後的話就是說我們都有要求業者就是說這個提升的這一個部分的話其實要回饋到這個駕駛的薪資的一個對啦那我的意思就是說我們現在注意這個地方政府地方政府他們有在補助司機啦那國道客運的駕駛有沒有辦法來補助勒\n\n14\n00:05:13,460 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3分之2是這個排班的這個薪水這樣講比例有沒有錯大概是1比2\n142438\t166251\t我的問題就是在於說啦1比1或1比2都會有就是說就變成是說那如果沒有客運業者這個業績這個債運沒有受到影響的話那當然就是這個還可以維持下去但是在COVID-19之後整個都受到影響了嘛大家客運的人就減少了那變成說司機的薪水變相也減少了是不是有這個問題\n168639\t189195\t如果班次少他的收入當然就會減少對啊就會減少那所以就是說這是剛才部長提到的第二點就是說他是心智的問題心智的問題那我們剛才有看到這一個現在在這個臺北車站吧臺北這一個營運站他那一個這個二樓的這一個我們看一下那一個照片這一個國道客運的臺北轉運站二樓是淪為空城那為什麼\n198580\t222929\t當然客運業者他的業績狀況不太好這個大家都知道那再來就租金非常的高在二樓可能聽說要幾百對啊那過去過去還真的過去那因為現在就是生意不好沒有這麼多人在那邊了嘛對啊那所以說臺北轉運站的二樓現在這個大概三四家租金比較便宜所以二樓現在就變成空城了嘛\n224029\t252840\t國道客運的載客量衰退36%那也造成說那個業者他們的這一個營運的這個壓力增加那所以我要請教一下部長跟局長就是說第一個當然我們希望說能夠幫這一個司機來加薪水那加薪水這部分的話我看地方政府是有在做地方政府他們有在補助就是說這個比如像雙北大概\n253460\t280118\t有可能在年底的時候會補助大概六千塊左右那這部分的話在中央的部分的話對於這個國道科育業者有沒有這個想法或是說有這個機會來補助來補助這個我們這個國道科育業者報告委員這個補助地方政府會補助那我想中央也都有中央的補助是我們挑到這個那中央的補助勒\n281898\t310297\t跟委員報告就是說基本上其實在整個的運價包括這一個公路客運跟國道客運的運價其實這兩年已經都做了相關的調整了合理的反映他們的運輸的成本那運價調整之後的話就是說我們都有要求業者就是說這個提升的這一個部分的話其實要回饋到這個駕駛的薪資的一個對啦那我的意思就是說我們現在注意這個地方政府地方政府他們有在補助司機啦那國道客運的駕駛有沒有辦法來補助勒\n313460\t333839\t我們目前是補助給業者但是我們有要求補助給他的裡面有一定的比例是要給駕駛員那現在是補助是多少勒因為我們大概一年就是說像國道科運的話一年補助大概有6億元那公務科運一年有1到2億元那有多少是拿來是做這個月薪的這個調整勒\n335337\t353962\t月薪的調整這個部分的話其實當初大概就是說在勞動條件上面我們有請業者就是說征服的這個部分因為大概都有增加10%的一個就是說他們這樣子啊你給我一個給我一個報告好了好不好就是說中央補助的部分的話大概他們薪資可以增加大概4000元\n355842\t380117\t就是說 麻煩你給我一個比較明確的報告就是說你們對於這個業者的補助的話還有多少是拿來做這一個這個四季的加薪因為至少我知道說雙北他們都有加薪的六千塊啦然後還有這個國道路線的話現在是只有補助這個平面的兩個端點高速路段並沒有補貼那這個有沒有機會說在高速路段的部分比照平面路段這個採用準運機制納入補貼\n382197\t396415\t這個部分我們也有在研議而且國道客運的話就是說我們除了就是說國道走平面路段有補貼以外另外就是說對於就是說這個運價成長之後它沒有反映到票價所以票差的這個部分我們也有給他們協助\n397496\t423114\t那這部分我是希望說這個能夠協助這個客運業者啦因為其實客運還是有許多人他會選擇的一個搭運的一個交通的一個方式啦因為我們對於這個相對於說對高鐵啊對鐵路啊就相對好像有多一點這個關照的眼神那但是對客運業者說是比較少啦那我希望這一點也能夠再加強好不好好謝謝部長謝謝局長謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長還有公路局陳局長\n部長好、局長好、委員好我相信大家早上都問了很多有關於這個我們這個客運的司機這個人力不足的問題那其實我看了你們的這一個報告裡面也發現到就是說在公路客運這部分的話現有人力是3625個人然後缺員是772個\n市區客運現有人力10,866缺員1,443遊覽車業者也有缺但是實際上我們零有駕駛職業實照的司機數量是遠遠超過於這邊那部長或是局長這邊有沒有想到說為什麼\n我明明有這個這個執照有這個駕照那為什麼不願意投入這一個客運的司機的這個工作我想一般人的就業啦應該是考慮他的這個職場環境職場環境就是一個那另外就是待遇可能有沒有符合他的想像部長就點到兩個重點了吧一個是職場的環境的問題第二個就是說這個待遇的問題那其實我的問題跟剛剛岳勤委員的問題類似就是說\n現在我們看好像這個司機他們月薪比如說坑月者司機可能月薪大概有大概多少?七、八萬以上有嗎?七、八萬甚至到十萬都有也有機會那他們的月薪是多少?\n他們大概月薪是多少月薪如果委員所指的是基本底薪基本底薪因為各家公司不一樣只是說剛剛所提到的那個是正常的排班之下的話大概就是說他們的平均薪資就是七八萬到有的資深的可以到十萬但是他們的底薪大概都是基本薪資那剩下都是用這個加班的方式\n它是就是說有排班啦它有排班就是說因為比如說這個可能就是如果是你出班的那個日數啦頻率比較少的話所以1 3分之1是底薪1 3分之2是這個排班的這個薪水這樣講比例有沒有錯大概是1比2\n我的問題就是在於說啦1比1或1比2都會有就是說就變成是說那如果沒有客運業者這個業績這個債運沒有受到影響的話那當然就是這個還可以維持下去但是在COVID-19之後整個都受到影響了嘛大家客運的人就減少了那變成說司機的薪水變相也減少了是不是有這個問題\n如果班次少他的收入當然就會減少對啊就會減少那所以就是說這是剛才部長提到的第二點就是說他是心智的問題心智的問題那我們剛才有看到這一個現在在這個臺北車站吧臺北這一個營運站他那一個這個二樓的這一個我們看一下那一個照片這一個國道客運的臺北轉運站二樓是淪為空城那為什麼\n當然客運業者他的業績狀況不太好這個大家都知道那再來就租金非常的高在二樓可能聽說要幾百對啊那過去過去還真的過去那因為現在就是生意不好沒有這麼多人在那邊了嘛對啊那所以說臺北轉運站的二樓現在這個大概三四家租金比較便宜所以二樓現在就變成空城了嘛\n國道客運的載客量衰退36%那也造成說那個業者他們的這一個營運的這個壓力增加那所以我要請教一下部長跟局長就是說第一個當然我們希望說能夠幫這一個司機來加薪水那加薪水這部分的話我看地方政府是有在做地方政府他們有在補助就是說這個比如像雙北大概\n有可能在年底的時候會補助大概六千塊左右那這部分的話在中央的部分的話對於這個國道科育業者有沒有這個想法或是說有這個機會來補助來補助這個我們這個國道科育業者報告委員這個補助地方政府會補助那我想中央也都有中央的補助是我們挑到這個那中央的補助勒\n跟委員報告就是說基本上其實在整個的運價包括這一個公路客運跟國道客運的運價其實這兩年已經都做了相關的調整了合理的反映他們的運輸的成本那運價調整之後的話就是說我們都有要求業者就是說這個提升的這一個部分的話其實要回饋到這個駕駛的薪資的一個對啦那我的意思就是說我們現在注意這個地方政府地方政府他們有在補助司機啦那國道客運的駕駛有沒有辦法來補助勒\n我們目前是補助給業者但是我們有要求補助給他的裡面有一定的比例是要給駕駛員那現在是補助是多少勒因為我們大概一年就是說像國道科運的話一年補助大概有6億元那公務科運一年有1到2億元那有多少是拿來是做這個月薪的這個調整勒\n月薪的調整這個部分的話其實當初大概就是說在勞動條件上面我們有請業者就是說征服的這個部分因為大概都有增加10%的一個就是說他們這樣子啊你給我一個給我一個報告好了好不好就是說中央補助的部分的話大概他們薪資可以增加大概4000元\n就是說 麻煩你給我一個比較明確的報告就是說你們對於這個業者的補助的話還有多少是拿來做這一個這個四季的加薪因為至少我知道說雙北他們都有加薪的六千塊啦然後還有這個國道路線的話現在是只有補助這個平面的兩個端點高速路段並沒有補貼那這個有沒有機會說在高速路段的部分比照平面路段這個採用準運機制納入補貼\n這個部分我們也有在研議而且國道客運的話就是說我們除了就是說國道走平面路段有補貼以外另外就是說對於就是說這個運價成長之後它沒有反映到票價所以票差的這個部分我們也有給他們協助\n那這部分我是希望說這個能夠協助這個客運業者啦因為其實客運還是有許多人他會選擇的一個搭運的一個交通的一個方式啦因為我們對於這個相對於說對高鐵啊對鐵路啊就相對好像有多一點這個關照的眼神那但是對客運業者說是比較少啦那我希望這一點也能夠再加強好不好好謝謝部長謝謝局長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.432 --> 00:06.803\n謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長還有公路局陳局長\n\n00:15.309 --> 00:33.329\n部長好、局長好、委員好我相信大家早上都問了很多有關於這個我們這個客運的司機這個人力不足的問題那其實我看了你們的這一個報告裡面也發現到就是說在公路客運這部分的話現有人力是3625個人然後缺員是772個\n\n00:36.773 --> 00:41.156\n市區客運現有人力10,866缺員1,443遊覽車業者也有缺但是實際上我們零有駕駛職業實照的司機數量是遠遠超過於這邊那部長或是局長這邊有沒有想到說為什麼\n\n00:57.240 --> 01:18.290\n我明明有這個這個執照有這個駕照那為什麼不願意投入這一個客運的司機的這個工作我想一般人的就業啦應該是考慮他的這個職場環境職場環境就是一個那另外就是待遇可能有沒有符合他的想像部長就點到兩個重點了吧一個是職場的環境的問題第二個就是說這個待遇的問題那其實我的問題跟剛剛岳勤委員的問題類似就是說\n\n01:24.393 --> 01:38.488\n現在我們看好像這個司機他們月薪比如說坑月者司機可能月薪大概有大概多少?七、八萬以上有嗎?七、八萬甚至到十萬都有也有機會那他們的月薪是多少?\n\n01:40.128 --> 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