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00:01:04,147\n那他要能夠獲得不管是大貨車駕照或者職業大貨車或是職業大客車駕照的話他都至少還要再幾年兩到三年一到兩年不等訓練的時間啊跟委員報告那個小型車要有一年到這個大貨車然後大貨車再一年到這個大客車但是如果說是小型車也有一個管道上駕訓班一年可以直升這個大客車\n\n4\n00:01:04,907 --> 00:01:28,624\n我們這個規定是不會因為說喬拜生而修正嘛對不對不會不會好那所以說標準都要一樣即便是這樣子的話那這樣子我們最晚最快你也要一年之後而且你現在勞動部其實還沒有同意對不對他們已經在進行法制的過程但是什麼時候可以這個要年底今年年底就可能有望通過或解套是不是\n\n5\n00:01:30,332 --> 00:01:51,550\n來補充說明一下因為我覺得兩個部分一個是現在缺工的狀況那之前也有人提過說有沒有可能用外籍的駕駛那當然民眾會有疑慮可是你們現在也已經研議並且也認為是說這安全性上來講是沒有問題的報告委員今年8月勞動部有做討論那9月份在國發會那邊也整體會有一些共識\n\n6\n00:01:52,310 --> 00:02:14,228\n未來針對中階人力我們是鎖定在橋外生而不是一般的外籍人士因為橋外生我知道你報告裡面寫得很清楚有讀書有那個他會比較融入本地的生活未來這部分我們在年底以前會把相關的法令建制修好修好之後就可以開始處理要處理之後就是剛才委員所\n\n7\n00:02:15,008 --> 00:02:31,960\n關切的畢竟他在國內從事職業駕駛他要有職業駕照所以說最少即便是今年年底都很順利的狀況今年年底但是他也要明年年底才有可能取得大客車或大貨車的駕照對不對最快\n\n8\n00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:56,722\n那這樣相對來講我們至少還有一年多的時間而且你開放了橋外生橋外生到底有多少人願意投入變成駕駛其實還不確定因為如同我們今天的報告來講就說我們現在的駕駛不管是公路客運其實有缺員差不多兩千位兩千多位而遊覽車客運也是兩千五百到三千大貨車也有缺員的狀況但是實際上我們本國人\n\n9\n00:02:57,142 --> 00:02:57,722\n中文字幕提供\n\n10\n00:03:16,409 --> 00:03:32,849\n駕駛的狀況很嚴重但是我們也想說因為國道客運跟一般客運比較不同的地方在於是國道客運他就一定要每個人一個座位他不能有站位那也變成是一台客運尤其本期最近我們林口地區很多人的這個反應是無障礙的巴士\n\n11\n00:03:33,550 --> 00:04:01,653\n他一個低體盤的公車座位只有22個所以他要變成是說他22個坐滿之後就只能下一班但是缺員的狀況很嚴重駕駛員少有車發不出來那尤其在通勤時間就會造成說塞...就會造成是說他塞在那邊沒有辦法等很多班才能找得了是沒有錯那部長過去到現在也有人提過要有沒有可能開放雙層巴士的空間我知道在之前\n\n12\n00:04:03,686 --> 00:04:30,927\n2023年的時候交通部有討論到時候否決當時否決的理由是認為說考量安全沒有開放不討論開放這個是交通部路政司的專委那時我也認為沒有錯如果說真的安全的話我們一定要考慮安全但是再拉過回頭來我們再去看其他世界各國確實也有些國家他是有開放雙程巴士上國道或是相關的快速道路的\n\n13\n00:04:31,627 --> 00:04:53,760\n那如果說其他國家有這樣的狀況那我們再反思我們現在講有沒有可能以事辦或者是限定路程的一個方式來做雙層巴士的一個開放因為這個是在今年3月我特別查了一下資料很多人在呼籲桃園在2023年去年就呼籲中央要開放雙層巴士上國道\n\n14\n00:04:54,660 --> 00:05:12,794\n今年2024年張善政市長他還特別講到說希望中央開放外籍司機跟雙層巴士上國道那我今天已經看到你們已經嚴議開放外籍司機等於是喬外申已經開放這部分了那另外一個部分雙層巴士\n\n15\n00:05:13,675 --> 00:05:29,887\n我覺得如果說我們怕安全的問題能不能雙層巴士設定時速他可能最高不能超過國道的一個標準比如說國道就是100公里他最高再怎麼踩他就是踩不過100公里那第二雙層巴士能不能在通勤時間能夠開放\n\n16\n00:05:32,133 --> 00:05:51,577\n比如說早上6點到9點這段時間是允許國道客運他們用雙乘巴士讓我們這些要通勤的朋友能夠有多的這個運量回來的時候也如此那第三我覺得更重要的是因為他是協助無障礙空間的駕駛他等於是多一倍嘛\n\n17\n00:05:53,646 --> 00:06:13,734\n部長有沒有這樣的可能性委員我想你的這個想法很好就是說在缺工的狀況底下在尖峰的時段如果可以一台車載運量更高的話多一倍的人力嘛對當然是可以因為現在缺工駕駛員少那這也是不爭的事實而且很多人是離開了這個行業之後他不願意再回來\n\n18\n00:06:15,014 --> 00:06:39,744\n離開的多進來的少對不對所以這個是個解決的好的方案不過我想我們內部先來討論一下安全性的部分尤其是國道因為國道的對於安全性的要求相對高當然剛剛有提出幾個前提或許可以做一些限制如果安全性符合的狀況底下或許這是可以考慮的方向或者是短程的範圍譬如說假設桃園到雙北地區就是以區域性來講\n\n19\n00:06:40,464 --> 00:06:59,441\n因為北北基桃是一個共同生活圈也許北北基桃內的國道客運可以用雙層巴士中張頭可能中張頭可以那我就不存在一台雙層巴士從台北開到高雄是沒有這樣的一個選項但是至少北北基桃可能可以試辦雙層巴士在北北基桃範圍內中張頭、雲嘉南、高高屏\n\n20\n00:07:03,044 --> 00:07:19,066\n用生活圈的概念但是把國道串聯那還有更重要其實如果說真的能夠推動的話就減少一台公車嘛我兩台變一台嘛我的空間釋出來嘛空間可能會更多的一個運用嘛那兩位駕駛變一位駕駛嘛\n\n21\n00:07:20,948 --> 00:07:44,222\n能不能這樣子演繹部長我想這一個部分就是相對專業而且也是苦民所苦那也是來了解大家心聲是不是召集一下一個月內開個會大家來討論一下吧然後最重要的是因為國外也有這樣的一個案例能不能找國外的經驗一起來談安全最優先考量但是以安全為前提的情況下我們用事辦的方式有沒有這個可能\n\n22\n00:07:44,993 --> 00:08:00,192\n我是建議是不是給我們一個月的時間一個月沒有問題我們有提到說國外有這樣的情況但是據我們所了解的部分我們看國外雙重巴士大概就是跟臺北、高雄、台南觀光巴士嘛觀光巴士就是在平面路段的一個部分\n\n23\n00:08:00,652 --> 00:08:25,271\n那真的就我們目前這邊是比較少看就是說在上高速公路因為高速公路的速限最起碼就是這一個60以上所以這些相關的資訊我們先這一個蒐集一下那第二個部分的話我也跟委員報告一下即使是doubletake的這一個雙程巴士的話它的容量絕對不是這個單程的兩倍但一定是比一台巴士人多嘛對所以多一點但是\n\n24\n00:08:26,512 --> 00:08:42,701\n這裡面的一個就是說相關的一個重點的一個部分的話大概就是兩個課題一個是重心的高度跟速度上面的部分這個我都理解所以我才會講是說是不是速限有一定的範圍如果說好做可能你過去就不會否決嘛\n\n25\n00:08:42,961 --> 00:09:08,275\n但我現在講的是說因為現在面臨的狀況還有就是現在人口成長越來越多生活圈大大的需求所以我才會考慮說是不是用事辦的方式來討論好不好我們來收集足夠的資訊再來跟委員報告好再麻煩一個月有相關的資料那我們要繼續追這件事情因為這關心到我相信這招我一定心有戚戚焉嘛桃園中壢的鄉親好朋友也會有雙北的需求啊\n\n26\n00:09:08,976 --> 00:09:14,504\n這其實大家都有這樣的需求啦甚至等下中章投說不定也都有需要嘛好不好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝洪委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n270\t1011\t主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長好陳部長\n10660\t37075\t好部長好部長我們今天討論這個大型客運的短缺駕駛短缺的部分其實這是各行各業都有這個缺工的問題那其中我有看到你在今天的報告第三頁裡面已經有考慮要引進外籍的人力納入橋外生的這個呃擔任這些相關的工作嘛齁但是我們現在假設如果說以橋外生來講的話他有小客車駕照\n38032\t64147\t那他要能夠獲得不管是大貨車駕照或者職業大貨車或是職業大客車駕照的話他都至少還要再幾年兩到三年一到兩年不等訓練的時間啊跟委員報告那個小型車要有一年到這個大貨車然後大貨車再一年到這個大客車但是如果說是小型車也有一個管道上駕訓班一年可以直升這個大客車\n64907\t88624\t我們這個規定是不會因為說喬拜生而修正嘛 對不對不會不會好 那所以說 標準都要一樣即便是這樣子的話 那這樣子我們最晚 最快你也要一年之後 而且你現在勞動部其實還沒有同意 對不對他們已經在進行法制的過程但是什麼時候可以這個要 年底今年年底就可能有望通過或解套 是不是\n90332\t111550\t來補充說明一下因為我覺得兩個部分一個是現在缺工的狀況那之前也有人提過說有沒有可能用外籍的駕駛那當然民眾會有疑慮可是你們現在也已經研議並且也認為是說這安全性上來講是沒有問題的報告委員今年8月勞動部有做討論那9月份在國發會那邊也整體會有一些共識\n112310\t134228\t未來針對中階人力我們是鎖定在橋外生而不是一般的外籍人士因為橋外生我知道你報告裡面寫得很清楚有讀書有那個他會比較融入本地的生活未來這部分我們在年底以前會把相關的法令建制修好修好之後就可以開始處理要處理之後就是剛才委員所\n135008\t151960\t關切的畢竟他在國內從事職業駕駛他要有職業駕照所以說最少即便是今年年底都很順利的狀況今年年底但是他也要明年年底才有可能取得大客車或大貨車的駕照對不對最快\n152620\t176722\t那這樣相對來講我們至少還有一年多的時間而且你開放了橋外生橋外生到底有多少人願意投入變成駕駛其實還不確定因為如同我們今天的報告來講就說我們現在的駕駛不管是公路客運其實有缺員差不多兩千位兩千多位而遊覽車客運也是兩千五百到三千大貨車也有缺員的狀況但是實際上我們本國人\n177142\t177722\t中文字幕提供\n196409\t212849\t駕駛的狀況很嚴重但是我們也想說因為國道客運跟一般客運比較不同的地方在於是國道客運他就一定要每個人一個座位他不能有站位那也變成是一台客運尤其本期最近我們林口地區很多人的這個反應是無障礙的巴士\n213550\t241653\t他一個低體盤的公車座位只有22個所以他要變成是說他22個坐滿之後就只能下一班但是缺員的狀況很嚴重駕駛員少有車發不出來那尤其在通勤時間就會造成說塞...就會造成是說他塞在那邊沒有辦法等很多班才能找得了是 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