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00:02:18,472\n這件事情通茶網10月14號的時候我質詢完以後速發部火速下架我們本來以為這是一個負責任的態度你們說結束公測下架精進嗎在此跟各位告知大家都被騙了通茶網還在幾千幾萬筆詐騙集團的資料全部還在網路上面甚至我們用戶還可以登入\n\n6\n00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:37,072\n這種假性下架的做法到底是在騙誰到底是在騙誰這是誰的疏失所有幾千幾萬筆詐騙集團的圖片、文字現在都還收羅在網路上面在增加詐騙集團的搜尋排序嗎在幫他們抬轎嗎這些網站、網址\n\n7\n00:02:40,316 --> 00:03:09,025\n理論上都不應該由速發部去備存還要來幫他們加分這裡面有很多隱私、很多侵權、很多違法甚至情色小說在上面的這些風險結果咧所有的網站內容全部現在是被Google收羅完全都還在我今天為什麼要接我自己的電腦是因為待會還有時間我直接表演給你看全部都是在網路上面每一頁都可以連結\n\n8\n00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:17,056\n現在這些你說下架了結果這些網站都還在用的是哪一台主機用的是誰的錢你知道這個網站還在嗎\n\n9\n00:03:19,086 --> 00:03:38,773\n是我想委員您是專家我想這不是專家的問題你們10月13號的新聞稿說已經下架了在開發的時候一定會經過AlphaTest還有BetaTestAlphaTest通常就是現在到底下架了沒然後我們接下來會做公測然後我們現在已經做完公測以後我們10月14號的新聞稿下架了\n\n10\n00:03:41,834 --> 00:04:08,093\n現在到底下架了還在嗎如果說委員我們所謂的下架是在AppleAppStore還有GooglePlay上面我們已經下架了現在所有網路資料都還在為什麼不關機為什麼網頁不移除我想你是專家你一定知道就是說在軟體界就是這樣子運作的就是這個App在做進行公測的時候我們已經從AppAppStore下架以後那原來的使用者還是可以繼續使用而原來這個使用者繼續使用的話\n\n11\n00:04:09,554 --> 00:04:24,583\n其實他這些我們現在看到這些詐騙資訊我們是會進行處理網頁全部還可以連您可能沒有搞懂我的意思所有的網頁都還在用戶還可以登入不是APP我說的是網站\n\n12\n00:04:26,918 --> 00:04:30,040\n網頁還在沒有關係這會造成什麼問題你們都在幫詐騙集團的網站抬轎、加分、增加他們的搜尋、排訓中國大陸的詐騙網址現在列在你們速發布產業署的網站上面然後呢我們搜尋了什麼\n\n13\n00:04:47,028 --> 00:04:53,711\n當沖班長這個詐騙集團已經被金融金管會已經驗證是詐騙集團結果現在搜尋當沖班長會出現速發布的網頁結果前一天晚上搜尋其他真正詐騙集團的網頁排序節節升高\n\n14\n00:05:03,334 --> 00:05:19,771\n你們這不是在幫他的SEO抬轎這是什麼我原講的齁譬如說那個就是有仿冒名人的這個網站那仿那個仿冒既然是仿冒名人名人他的網站當然還會我還沒講到仿冒名人我講的是詐騙集團的網站被列在你們的官網下面這是一種抬轎的行為喔\n\n15\n00:05:22,774 --> 00:05:40,554\n只要列在我們官網上面我們就會通知這些網路廣告平台包含Meta包含Line包含Google你們的通茶網已經下架你把它下架了但是列在你們速發部的官網啊還有你剛剛講的侵權的、冒名的問題這些主持人的名字都還在\n\n16\n00:05:41,616 --> 00:05:53,393\n還在你們的官網上而且把他們的名字跟這些詐騙字樣連結在一起這樣有沒有侵害民眾的權益呢好再來我們看10月14號你們發了新聞稿開了這些說明說下架了\n\n17\n00:05:58,059 --> 00:06:13,868\n結果10月18日賴清德總統的網站被剪取你們還幫他改還幫他驗證結果我自己剪取另外一個假罵我的名字的到現在沒有下文\n\n18\n00:06:14,548 --> 00:06:33,253\n這是什麼差別在於這是什麼演算法如果說有人就是仿冒那個委員的身份的話事實上這就是我們這個網站通報查詢網的目的那我們會盡快的要求Line還有那個Meta還有Google他都跟我們簽了那個他們都會提供我們特殊的通道市長您不要激動是\n\n19\n00:06:34,173 --> 00:06:58,618\n我在講的是這整個網站所有詐騙集團的資料網址、連結、文字、圖片現在通通在速發布的主機裡面我沒有在講蘋果我沒有在講大公司是你們的團隊你們的廠商你們的計劃我再講一件事情我已經提了我10月14號說\n\n20\n00:07:00,018 --> 00:07:15,491\n不應該違法收入這些人的圖片你沒有權利結果呢你們的工程師下架以後持續修改就算了他說我把圖片打蒙啊我保護人權啊結果呢程式碼打開來一看原圖還在\n\n21\n00:07:17,233 --> 00:07:39,993\n他幹嘛?他是這麼愛這些圖片嗎?原圖還在,他只適用前端特效,這是怎麼回事啊?四百多位的公眾人物,我們列入我們的白名單保護機制,我們都有取得他的同意這個不是我們片面跟他,就是取用他的那個照片所以你有取得賴清德總統的同意,提供資料,你有取得朱楚文的照片的資料\n\n22\n00:07:40,393 --> 00:07:49,013\n你有提供同意你有取得吳淡如小姐的資料你有取得她的同意你有取得她們的同意把她的名字在速發布的官網跟詐騙兩個字綁在一起\n\n23\n00:07:51,095 --> 00:08:14,982\n我們是把那個仿冒名人的詐騙所以我說你們這樣的說法就是在騙下架了還在各位委員報告我們沒有在騙我們是在反詐騙我們就是要防止我只問了下架了沒網站不是下架了為什麼還在為什麼還可以登入我們說的下架是從AppStore跟GooglePlay上面下架沒有啊你網站你網站現在是這樣寫的啊你網站現在是寫說下架啊\n\n24\n00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:37,843\n結束公測啊,不是嗎?我們現在打開看嘛,結束公測嘛,什麼功能都不能用嘛,結果咧?全部還在啊,我現在每一頁打開,全部是詐騙集團的資訊全部是詐騙集團的資訊,都還在啊,我現在即時連給你看啊,哪裡下架了\n\n25\n00:08:38,655 --> 00:08:54,761\n市長你說哪裡下架了AppStore下架了你說公測結束是你說公測結束下架精進是你說通查網會精進改善網頁設計是統一名稱不會宣傳並下架測試網不是嗎這不是還在嗎是我們市長AppStore下架了是\n\n26\n00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:21,239\n那網頁為什麼還在因為我們這個系統不能停止因為我們每天都在面對詐騙我們這個網路你們這些資料記錄在這裡就是在幫詐騙集團搜尋排序啦我告訴你啦我現在直接列給你看這些全部是齁我們直接看我們搜尋當沖班長底下全部都是詐騙網頁當沖班長詐騙下一頁\n\n27\n00:09:25,060 --> 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Store下架以後那原來的使用者還是可以繼續使用而原來這個使用者繼續使用的話\n其實他這些我們現在看到這些詐騙資訊我們是會進行處理網頁全部還可以連您可能沒有搞懂我的意思所有的網頁都還在用戶還可以登入不是APP我說的是網站\n網頁還在沒有關係這會造成什麼問題你們都在幫詐騙集團的網站抬轎、加分、增加他們的搜尋、排訓中國大陸的詐騙網址現在列在你們速發布產業署的網站上面然後呢我們搜尋了什麼\n當沖班長這個詐騙集團已經被金融金管會已經驗證是詐騙集團結果現在搜尋當沖班長會出現速發布的網頁結果前一天晚上搜尋其他真正詐騙集團的網頁排序節節升高\n你們這不是在幫他的SEO抬轎這是什麼我原講的齁譬如說那個就是有仿冒名人的這個網站那仿那個仿冒既然是仿冒名人名人他的網站當然還會我還沒講到仿冒名人我講的是詐騙集團的網站被列在你們的官網下面這是一種抬轎的行為喔\n只要列在我們官網上面我們就會通知這些網路廣告平台包含Meta包含Line包含Google你們的通茶網已經下架你把它下架了但是列在你們速發部的官網啊還有你剛剛講的侵權的、冒名的問題這些主持人的名字都還在\n還在你們的官網上而且把他們的名字跟這些詐騙字樣連結在一起這樣有沒有侵害民眾的權益呢好再來我們看10月14號你們發了新聞稿開了這些說明說下架了\n結果10月18日賴清德總統的網站被剪取你們還幫他改還幫他驗證結果我自己剪取另外一個假罵我的名字的到現在沒有下文\n這是什麼差別在於這是什麼演算法如果說有人就是仿冒那個委員的身份的話事實上這就是我們這個網站通報查詢網的目的那我們會盡快的要求Line還有那個Meta還有Google他都跟我們簽了那個他們都會提供我們特殊的通道市長您不要激動是\n我在講的是這整個網站所有詐騙集團的資料網址、連結、文字、圖片現在通通在速發布的主機裡面我沒有在講蘋果我沒有在講大公司是你們的團隊你們的廠商你們的計劃我再講一件事情我已經提了我10月14號說\n不應該違法收入這些人的圖片你沒有權利結果呢你們的工程師下架以後持續修改就算了他說我把圖片打蒙啊我保護人權啊結果呢程式碼打開來一看原圖還在\n他幹嘛?他是這麼愛這些圖片嗎?原圖還在,他只適用前端特效,這是怎麼回事啊?四百多位的公眾人物,我們列入我們的白名單保護機制,我們都有取得他的同意這個不是我們片面跟他,就是取用他的那個照片所以你有取得賴清德總統的同意,提供資料,你有取得朱楚文的照片的資料\n你有提供同意你有取得吳淡如小姐的資料你有取得她的同意你有取得她們的同意把她的名字在速發布的官網跟詐騙兩個字綁在一起\n我們是把那個仿冒名人的詐騙所以我說你們這樣的說法就是在騙下架了還在各位委員報告我們沒有在騙我們是在反詐騙我們就是要防止我只問了下架了沒網站不是下架了為什麼還在為什麼還可以登入我們說的下架是從App Store跟Google Play上面下架沒有啊你網站你網站現在是這樣寫的啊你網站現在是寫說下架啊\n結束公測啊,不是嗎?我們現在打開看嘛,結束公測嘛,什麼功能都不能用嘛,結果咧?全部還在啊,我現在每一頁打開,全部是詐騙集團的資訊全部是詐騙集團的資訊,都還在啊,我現在即時連給你看啊,哪裡下架了\n市長你說哪裡下架了App Store下架了你說公測結束是你說公測結束下架精進是你說通查網會精進改善網頁設計是統一名稱不會宣傳並下架測試網不是嗎這不是還在嗎是我們市長App Store下架了是\n那網頁為什麼還在因為我們這個系統不能停止因為我們每天都在面對詐騙我們這個網路你們這些資料記錄在這裡就是在幫詐騙集團搜尋排序啦我告訴你啦我現在直接列給你看這些全部是齁我們直接看我們搜尋當沖班長底下全部都是詐騙網頁當沖班長詐騙下一頁\n你們現在啊政府部會的網站排序都很高啦速發部速發部就在這裡第二頁你是在幫當沖班長廣告嗎\n你是要幫他抬轎嗎那個當沖班長我不知道但是那個我直接告訴你為什麼詐騙集團要這樣做啦你看這些高中的網頁啦他們都被入侵啦這些公家部門的網站對詐騙集團來說是最寶貴的\n因為如果可以跟你們連接在一起它的關鍵字就可以提升排名如果說到我們這個網頁上你就會看到那些就是詐騙我們都會在上面登記就是詐騙我問次長一句話所以這些網頁都要一直留在這裡嗎色情小說要繼續留嗎當中班長要繼續留嗎這些網頁上面會標示說哪些是詐騙哪些不是詐騙這些資料當然要留在我們網上上這樣民眾才會知道哪些是詐騙哪些不是詐騙你覺得不用下架喔\n你覺得不用下架?那個我什麼東西要下架?什麼東西要不要下架?在什麼地方下架?什麼地方不要下架?這個是不同的事情,不能混為一談因為時間超過了還蠻久的因為這個博弈專業的議題,待會你們有空,針對這問題講清楚\n是有違法疑慮的你們這樣子的說法是有不誠實疑慮的我們已經到地方法院幫你們公正這些頁面的存在也許一個小時之後你們員工機器就關機檔案就刪除了這件事情是錯的請不要用這樣的方式在這裡辯解我們已經幫你們做事情了我們一起來協作好 數位部好好去演\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.646 --> 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