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00:02:34,763\n好謝謝局長回覆在這邊還是再次提醒因為這樣的滲透行為滋事體大那我也希望說接下來的保防機制除了說加強教育之外是不是還有其他的方式我們應該更強力嚴格大家一起來做更強的防範好不好因為看到這樣的新聞其實會讓人很失望啦大家對於我們國軍的信心\n\n8\n00:02:35,965 --> 00:02:51,848\n所以跟委員報告我們對於這些違反國外案件還有包含國家忠誠的問題對於國軍來講是絕對不容許我想剛才偵探局陳局長也跟委員做了一個詳細的說明對於這些設有犯行的這些官兵\n\n9\n00:02:52,328 --> 00:03:10,731\n我們一定是依法就辦,絕對不會寬重。那剛才委員所提到除了我們要加強我們的保防教育之外,包含我們法律司,我們對於整個法紀的維護,還有對於法律的一個這個宣導,案例的這個宣導,我們都會持續的進行。我想這件事情也給我們一個非常好的一個借鏡了。感謝委員這個指導。\n\n10\n00:03:11,837 --> 00:03:38,844\n好謝謝副部長的補充那這個接下來拜託大家一起來防範那再來我想要請教的是因為其實前兩天日本的NHK其實有發布一個紀錄片就是針對這個安巡公司我不知道說我們國防部裡面有沒有去看了一下這個相關的內容其實裡面有提到說這個追蹤中國洩漏的文件涉及20幾個國家其中台灣就一定是非常重要他們要鎖定的對象\n\n11\n00:03:39,804 --> 00:04:07,495\n那這個其實裡面他也提到非常具體這個安巡公司做什麼呢他針對台灣把台灣的一些關鍵的基礎設施包括我們公路啊然後一些地形然後路線全部都把資料整理起來然後提供給中國的公安部門以及解放軍的部門那我不知道說我們國防部現在有沒有掌握到這一些相關的資訊洩漏到什麼程度有沒有是非公開資訊但是已經被掌握的呢\n\n12\n00:04:08,121 --> 00:04:09,242\n國軍平常只有設置治安防護安管理中心24小時監控\n\n13\n00:04:21,513 --> 00:04:37,731\n那如果遇到異常的情況的話我們都會適時的通報跟反映那我們市裡面每年也會針對我們各單位所以像是安巡公司這樣子的行為是沒有發現我們檢視過之後沒有這樣任何的惡意行為跟這個跟還有駭客的工具\n\n14\n00:04:38,848 --> 00:05:01,140\n好,謝謝次長的說明,我在這邊是想要提醒啦,雖然可能他們現在整理的都還是一些公開的資訊,包括一些他們其實裡面有具體的提到喔,就是台灣的公路、地形、橋樑、隧道的位置都已經在他們整理給中國的公安部門,都已經整理好了,然後這也是他們現在重點要網路攻擊的對象。\n\n15\n00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:30,209\n那除了接下來當然你們隨時都在監控這個是必要的那其實在美國的跨黨派的智庫的主席他也有示警說這些都是對他們來說除了這些是必要的之外接下來他們的意圖很明顯嘛就是在未來有可能要嘗試在佔領台灣或是任何軍事行動的時候他們可以精準的調動裝甲的部隊以及兵力那我相信這個都是我們在這一次的NHK的這個紀錄片裡面我們必須要示警而且必須要加強防範的\n\n16\n00:05:31,604 --> 00:05:58,383\n那再來當然因為其實現在中共對於這個相關從這一次的這個事件就可以看得出來他們的資訊戰這10年來的演練已經到一個程度包括說跟這一些他們自己的資訊公司合作然後進行這些20幾個國家的網路的攻擊以及監控那我不知道說國防部在這方面有沒有任何的防範以及接下來的加強呢有報告委員我再請通知就我們這一部分資安防護的部分再跟您做進一步的說明\n\n17\n00:05:59,249 --> 00:06:16,641\n我們國防部本來就已經納入了行政院的這個國家資通安全的匯報裡面那如果發生任何的資安通報我們事實上會跟這個速發部裡面的這個國家電腦緊急應變中心回報那各部會之間都可以互相通聯然後一起共同防處\n\n18\n00:06:17,341 --> 00:06:44,640\n好謝謝次長說明我在這邊是想要提醒啦因為現在錯假訊息的應對其實對很多台灣人來說這個都是非常迫切的那我現在認為政府做的其實還不太夠怎麼說呢因為包括前陣子有一個民防法被造謠然後說什麼總統下令16歲學生要造冊上戰場這件事情很明顯就是一個錯假訊息但是我們應對的方式就只是在教育部的網站上面說這是假的\n\n19\n00:06:45,561 --> 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在這邊還是再次提醒因為這樣的滲透行為滋事體大那我也希望說接下來的保防機制除了說加強教育之外是不是還有其他的方式我們應該更強力嚴格大家一起來做更強的防範好不好因為看到這樣的新聞其實會讓人很失望啦大家對於我們國軍的信心\n155965\t171848\t所以跟委員報告我們對於這些違反國外案件還有包含國家忠誠的問題對於國軍來講是絕對不容許我想剛才偵探局陳局長也跟委員做了一個詳細的說明對於這些設有犯行的這些官兵\n172328\t190731\t我們一定是依法就辦,絕對不會寬重。那剛才委員所提到除了我們要加強我們的保防教育之外,包含我們法律司,我們對於整個法紀的維護,還有對於法律的一個這個宣導,案例的這個宣導,我們都會持續的進行。我想這件事情也給我們一個非常好的一個借鏡了。感謝委員這個指導。\n191837\t218844\t好 謝謝副部長的補充那這個接下來拜託大家一起來防範那再來我想要請教的是因為其實前兩天日本的NHK其實有發布一個紀錄片就是針對這個安巡公司我不知道說我們國防部裡面有沒有去看了一下這個相關的內容其實裡面有提到說這個追蹤中國洩漏的文件涉及20幾個國家其中台灣就一定是非常重要他們要鎖定的對象\n219804\t247495\t那這個其實裡面他也提到非常具體這個安巡公司做什麼呢他針對台灣把台灣的一些關鍵的基礎設施包括我們公路啊然後一些地形然後路線全部都把資料整理起來然後提供給中國的公安部門以及解放軍的部門那我不知道說我們國防部現在有沒有掌握到這一些相關的資訊洩漏到什麼程度有沒有是非公開資訊但是已經被掌握的呢\n248121\t249242\t國軍平常只有設置治安防護安管理中心24小時監控\n261513\t277731\t那如果遇到異常的情況的話我們都會適時的通報跟反映那我們市裡面每年也會針對我們各單位所以像是安巡公司這樣子的行為是沒有發現我們檢視過之後沒有這樣任何的惡意行為跟這個跟還有駭客的工具\n278848\t301140\t好,謝謝次長的說明,我在這邊是想要提醒啦,雖然可能他們現在整理的都還是一些公開的資訊,包括一些他們其實裡面有具體的提到喔,就是台灣的公路、地形、橋樑、隧道的位置都已經在他們整理給中國的公安部門,都已經整理好了,然後這也是他們現在重點要網路攻擊的對象。\n301960\t330209\t那除了接下來當然你們隨時都在監控這個是必要的那其實在美國的跨黨派的智庫的主席他也有示警說這些都是對他們來說除了這些是必要的之外接下來他們的意圖很明顯嘛就是在未來有可能要嘗試在佔領台灣或是任何軍事行動的時候他們可以精準的調動裝甲的部隊以及兵力那我相信這個都是我們在這一次的NHK的這個紀錄片裡面我們必須要示警而且必須要加強防範的\n331604\t358383\t那再來當然因為其實現在中共對於這個相關從這一次的這個事件就可以看得出來他們的資訊戰這10年來的演練已經到一個程度包括說跟這一些他們自己的資訊公司合作然後進行這些20幾個國家的網路的攻擊以及監控那我不知道說國防部在這方面有沒有任何的防範以及接下來的加強呢有 報告委員我再請通知就我們這一部分資安防護的部分再跟您做進一步的說明\n359249\t376641\t我們國防部本來就已經納入了行政院的這個國家資通安全的匯報裡面那如果發生任何的資安通報我們事實上會跟這個速發部裡面的這個國家電腦緊急應變中心回報那各部會之間都可以互相通聯然後一起共同防處\n377341\t404640\t好 謝謝次長說明我在這邊是想要提醒啦因為現在錯假訊息的應對其實對很多台灣人來說這個都是非常迫切的那我現在認為政府做的其實還不太夠怎麼說呢因為包括前陣子有一個民防法被造謠然後說什麼總統下令16歲學生要造冊上戰場這件事情很明顯就是一個錯假訊息但是我們應對的方式就只是在教育部的網站上面說這是假的\n405561\t428451\t那你認為這樣的應對是夠的嗎?所以其實像剛剛次長說的這個是一個必須要跨部會大家一起來整合的東西那面對資訊戰我希望能做的是國防部竟然是一個政戰最高單位那我希望接下來要協助各部會包括你看連教育部都會被攻擊不管是樹發部甚至到我們各個農業部都有可能有錯假訊息的被攻擊的樣態那你們應該要去統合\n432173\t433934\t感謝委員指導,我們會把委員的意見納入我們重要的參考。\n","txt":"黃委員好\n好 副部長好今天傳出一個消息我先在這邊請教你喔就是新市局有據說有最近破獲了一個在宮廟跟幫派他們吸收現役跟退役的軍人然後請他們拿著五星旗來拍攝投降影片以及請他們洩漏軍情不知道我們國防部這邊有沒有掌握是 報告委員我這部分我請鎮安局陳局長來跟您做詳細的說明好不好\n委員好 這個案子是我們官兵陸續檢舉還有國安通報然後我們通報國安局統合相關的國安單位來共同偵辦那這個剛剛刑事局那邊還有高檢署也都有發布新聞那這個部分我們因為還在司法偵辦當中對於案情我們就不多做敘述\n好那其實針對新聞的內容也提到了就如我剛剛說的包括現役軍人退役軍人全部都有在這一次的這個案件當中然後據這個新聞內容是指出他們每個人以賤計酬一個人可以拿3到15萬然後你就是拿著五星旗拍攝投降的影片然後必須穿著現役軍人的制服\n那我不知道說如果現在這樣的情勢為真那我們接下來國防部是不是應該進行強力的檢討報委員我們對於官兵利益薰心\n對於後續我們會持續的加強保防教育跟愛國教育那近年來我們破獲的這個共諜案有86%到87%都是我們官兵檢舉所以我們在保防教育的部分已經有成效那後續我們會持續加強\n好 謝謝局長回覆 在這邊還是再次提醒因為這樣的滲透行為滋事體大那我也希望說接下來的保防機制除了說加強教育之外是不是還有其他的方式我們應該更強力嚴格大家一起來做更強的防範好不好因為看到這樣的新聞其實會讓人很失望啦大家對於我們國軍的信心\n所以跟委員報告我們對於這些違反國外案件還有包含國家忠誠的問題對於國軍來講是絕對不容許我想剛才偵探局陳局長也跟委員做了一個詳細的說明對於這些設有犯行的這些官兵\n我們一定是依法就辦,絕對不會寬重。那剛才委員所提到除了我們要加強我們的保防教育之外,包含我們法律司,我們對於整個法紀的維護,還有對於法律的一個這個宣導,案例的這個宣導,我們都會持續的進行。我想這件事情也給我們一個非常好的一個借鏡了。感謝委員這個指導。\n好 謝謝副部長的補充那這個接下來拜託大家一起來防範那再來我想要請教的是因為其實前兩天日本的NHK其實有發布一個紀錄片就是針對這個安巡公司我不知道說我們國防部裡面有沒有去看了一下這個相關的內容其實裡面有提到說這個追蹤中國洩漏的文件涉及20幾個國家其中台灣就一定是非常重要他們要鎖定的對象\n那這個其實裡面他也提到非常具體這個安巡公司做什麼呢他針對台灣把台灣的一些關鍵的基礎設施包括我們公路啊然後一些地形然後路線全部都把資料整理起來然後提供給中國的公安部門以及解放軍的部門那我不知道說我們國防部現在有沒有掌握到這一些相關的資訊洩漏到什麼程度有沒有是非公開資訊但是已經被掌握的呢\n國軍平常只有設置治安防護安管理中心24小時監控\n那如果遇到異常的情況的話我們都會適時的通報跟反映那我們市裡面每年也會針對我們各單位所以像是安巡公司這樣子的行為是沒有發現我們檢視過之後沒有這樣任何的惡意行為跟這個跟還有駭客的工具\n好,謝謝次長的說明,我在這邊是想要提醒啦,雖然可能他們現在整理的都還是一些公開的資訊,包括一些他們其實裡面有具體的提到喔,就是台灣的公路、地形、橋樑、隧道的位置都已經在他們整理給中國的公安部門,都已經整理好了,然後這也是他們現在重點要網路攻擊的對象。\n那除了接下來當然你們隨時都在監控這個是必要的那其實在美國的跨黨派的智庫的主席他也有示警說這些都是對他們來說除了這些是必要的之外接下來他們的意圖很明顯嘛就是在未來有可能要嘗試在佔領台灣或是任何軍事行動的時候他們可以精準的調動裝甲的部隊以及兵力那我相信這個都是我們在這一次的NHK的這個紀錄片裡面我們必須要示警而且必須要加強防範的\n那再來當然因為其實現在中共對於這個相關從這一次的這個事件就可以看得出來他們的資訊戰這10年來的演練已經到一個程度包括說跟這一些他們自己的資訊公司合作然後進行這些20幾個國家的網路的攻擊以及監控那我不知道說國防部在這方面有沒有任何的防範以及接下來的加強呢有 報告委員我再請通知就我們這一部分資安防護的部分再跟您做進一步的說明\n我們國防部本來就已經納入了行政院的這個國家資通安全的匯報裡面那如果發生任何的資安通報我們事實上會跟這個速發部裡面的這個國家電腦緊急應變中心回報那各部會之間都可以互相通聯然後一起共同防處\n好 謝謝次長說明我在這邊是想要提醒啦因為現在錯假訊息的應對其實對很多台灣人來說這個都是非常迫切的那我現在認為政府做的其實還不太夠怎麼說呢因為包括前陣子有一個民防法被造謠然後說什麼總統下令16歲學生要造冊上戰場這件事情很明顯就是一個錯假訊息但是我們應對的方式就只是在教育部的網站上面說這是假的\n那你認為這樣的應對是夠的嗎?所以其實像剛剛次長說的這個是一個必須要跨部會大家一起來整合的東西那面對資訊戰我希望能做的是國防部竟然是一個政戰最高單位那我希望接下來要協助各部會包括你看連教育部都會被攻擊不管是樹發部甚至到我們各個農業部都有可能有錯假訊息的被攻擊的樣態那你們應該要去統合\n感謝委員指導,我們會把委員的意見納入我們重要的參考。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:00.109\n黃委員好\n\n00:10.851 --> 00:40.002\n好副部長好今天傳出一個消息我先在這邊請教你喔就是新市局有據說有最近破獲了一個在宮廟跟幫派他們吸收現役跟退役的軍人然後請他們拿著五星旗來拍攝投降影片以及請他們洩漏軍情不知道我們國防部這邊有沒有掌握是報告委員我這部分我請鎮安局陳局長來跟您做詳細的說明好不好\n\n00:41.789 --> 01:07.921\n委員好這個案子是我們官兵陸續檢舉還有國安通報然後我們通報國安局統合相關的國安單位來共同偵辦那這個剛剛刑事局那邊還有高檢署也都有發布新聞那這個部分我們因為還在司法偵辦當中對於案情我們就不多做敘述\n\n01:09.656 --> 01:31.203\n好那其實針對新聞的內容也提到了就如我剛剛說的包括現役軍人退役軍人全部都有在這一次的這個案件當中然後據這個新聞內容是指出他們每個人以賤計酬一個人可以拿3到15萬然後你就是拿著五星旗拍攝投降的影片然後必須穿著現役軍人的制服\n\n01:32.318 --> 01:46.683\n那我不知道說如果現在這樣的情勢為真那我們接下來國防部是不是應該進行強力的檢討報委員我們對於官兵利益薰心\n\n01:47.881 --> 01:49.842\n對於後續我們會持續的加強保防教育跟愛國教育那近年來我們破獲的這個共諜案有86%到87%都是我們官兵檢舉所以我們在保防教育的部分已經有成效那後續我們會持續加強\n\n02:11.852 --> 02:34.763\n好謝謝局長回覆在這邊還是再次提醒因為這樣的滲透行為滋事體大那我也希望說接下來的保防機制除了說加強教育之外是不是還有其他的方式我們應該更強力嚴格大家一起來做更強的防範好不好因為看到這樣的新聞其實會讓人很失望啦大家對於我們國軍的信心\n\n02:35.965 --> 02:51.848\n所以跟委員報告我們對於這些違反國外案件還有包含國家忠誠的問題對於國軍來講是絕對不容許我想剛才偵探局陳局長也跟委員做了一個詳細的說明對於這些設有犯行的這些官兵\n\n02:52.328 --> 03:10.731\n我們一定是依法就辦,絕對不會寬重。那剛才委員所提到除了我們要加強我們的保防教育之外,包含我們法律司,我們對於整個法紀的維護,還有對於法律的一個這個宣導,案例的這個宣導,我們都會持續的進行。我想這件事情也給我們一個非常好的一個借鏡了。感謝委員這個指導。\n\n03:11.837 --> 03:38.844\n好謝謝副部長的補充那這個接下來拜託大家一起來防範那再來我想要請教的是因為其實前兩天日本的NHK其實有發布一個紀錄片就是針對這個安巡公司我不知道說我們國防部裡面有沒有去看了一下這個相關的內容其實裡面有提到說這個追蹤中國洩漏的文件涉及20幾個國家其中台灣就一定是非常重要他們要鎖定的對象\n\n03:39.804 --> 04:07.495\n那這個其實裡面他也提到非常具體這個安巡公司做什麼呢他針對台灣把台灣的一些關鍵的基礎設施包括我們公路啊然後一些地形然後路線全部都把資料整理起來然後提供給中國的公安部門以及解放軍的部門那我不知道說我們國防部現在有沒有掌握到這一些相關的資訊洩漏到什麼程度有沒有是非公開資訊但是已經被掌握的呢\n\n04:08.121 --> 04:09.242\n國軍平常只有設置治安防護安管理中心24小時監控\n\n04:21.513 --> 04:37.731\n那如果遇到異常的情況的話我們都會適時的通報跟反映那我們市裡面每年也會針對我們各單位所以像是安巡公司這樣子的行為是沒有發現我們檢視過之後沒有這樣任何的惡意行為跟這個跟還有駭客的工具\n\n04:38.848 --> 05:01.140\n好,謝謝次長的說明,我在這邊是想要提醒啦,雖然可能他們現在整理的都還是一些公開的資訊,包括一些他們其實裡面有具體的提到喔,就是台灣的公路、地形、橋樑、隧道的位置都已經在他們整理給中國的公安部門,都已經整理好了,然後這也是他們現在重點要網路攻擊的對象。\n\n05:01.960 --> 05:30.209\n那除了接下來當然你們隨時都在監控這個是必要的那其實在美國的跨黨派的智庫的主席他也有示警說這些都是對他們來說除了這些是必要的之外接下來他們的意圖很明顯嘛就是在未來有可能要嘗試在佔領台灣或是任何軍事行動的時候他們可以精準的調動裝甲的部隊以及兵力那我相信這個都是我們在這一次的NHK的這個紀錄片裡面我們必須要示警而且必須要加強防範的\n\n05:31.604 --> 05:58.383\n那再來當然因為其實現在中共對於這個相關從這一次的這個事件就可以看得出來他們的資訊戰這10年來的演練已經到一個程度包括說跟這一些他們自己的資訊公司合作然後進行這些20幾個國家的網路的攻擊以及監控那我不知道說國防部在這方面有沒有任何的防範以及接下來的加強呢有報告委員我再請通知就我們這一部分資安防護的部分再跟您做進一步的說明\n\n05:59.249 --> 06:16.641\n我們國防部本來就已經納入了行政院的這個國家資通安全的匯報裡面那如果發生任何的資安通報我們事實上會跟這個速發部裡面的這個國家電腦緊急應變中心回報那各部會之間都可以互相通聯然後一起共同防處\n\n06:17.341 --> 06:44.640\n好謝謝次長說明我在這邊是想要提醒啦因為現在錯假訊息的應對其實對很多台灣人來說這個都是非常迫切的那我現在認為政府做的其實還不太夠怎麼說呢因為包括前陣子有一個民防法被造謠然後說什麼總統下令16歲學生要造冊上戰場這件事情很明顯就是一個錯假訊息但是我們應對的方式就只是在教育部的網站上面說這是假的\n\n06:45.561 --> 07:08.451\n那你認為這樣的應對是夠的嗎?所以其實像剛剛次長說的這個是一個必須要跨部會大家一起來整合的東西那面對資訊戰我希望能做的是國防部竟然是一個政戰最高單位那我希望接下來要協助各部會包括你看連教育部都會被攻擊不管是樹發部甚至到我們各個農業部都有可能有錯假訊息的被攻擊的樣態那你們應該要去統合\n\n07:12.173 --> 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