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00:01:00,376\n從臺灣需要的角度來請他們共同繼續替臺灣怕病。我想最重要的重點應該在這裡。那我們也知道有很多的努力,包括之前我們也通過了65歲到底退休了,可以有什麼其他的辦法。所以我們今天就希望針對於在相關的法案裡面有提到要兩年之內\n\n4\n00:01:01,096 --> 00:01:22,055\n要提出一些相關的補助或政策上的理解所以我們就把它定在63歲的時候應該做什麼提供給部長這邊來做參考經過這個勞基法50條修訂以後大家都很擔心到底執行上有沒有什麼困難實際上能夠做到什麼樣的一個可行的\n\n5\n00:01:22,935 --> 00:01:40,284\n議會之下來協助這些即將退休的勞動朋友可以做哪一些事情所以變成如何能夠讓勞資雙方知道政府有補助方案的申請那這些申請以後如果有做跟沒有做\n\n6\n00:01:41,417 --> 00:01:46,382\n告知勞動朋友有哪些權益目前都有在執行當中比如說清零退休金或者是相關的一些權益\n\n7\n00:02:02,498 --> 00:02:02,678\n議員吳春城\n\n8\n00:02:19,992 --> 00:02:40,598\n我們可以看這個在54條修正以後就是年滿65歲就可以透過勞僱雙方來協商延後那在中高齡跟高齡者就業促進法29條裡面的第一項就是說要前兩年裡面要提供相關的這些補助措施而且需要\n\n9\n00:02:41,358 --> 00:02:41,598\n議員吳春城\n\n10\n00:03:04,944 --> 00:03:11,889\n的這個勞參率只剩下9.6相較於南韓跟日本真的是差非常的多那60到64歲之間從39%變成9%這個就是我們如何能夠讓這一群人有機會提高他的勞參率\n\n11\n00:03:20,815 --> 00:03:27,325\n所以如果我們希望能夠有機會達到像日本跟韓國一樣的勞參與的話那我們如何能夠先讓這個63歲64歲的這些勞動者能夠參與那這是我們所知道的人口數\n\n12\n00:03:36,278 --> 00:03:36,298\n對,這因\n\n13\n00:04:03,829 --> 00:04:19,628\n委員我們就是指說這一個中高齡法今年修正以來在65歲退休前兩年就應該要準備計劃這個部分對這個因為法令剛通過我們正在緊鑼密鼓的規劃規劃這一個\n\n14\n00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:23,884\n對,那麼這些我們都現在正在規劃進行中這樣子。\n\n15\n00:04:41,810 --> 00:05:08,005\n因為我們是7月才開始啟動嘛所以到現在為止差不多將近只有5個月時間可能會慢慢的累積一些相關的資料那也可以進行後續的分析我們後續也會來統計分析相信剛剛楊崇英委員也有提到為什麼我們的勞參率一直提升不起來他也希望部長這邊能夠提供相關的方案給他做參考\n\n16\n00:05:08,966 --> 00:05:13,369\n這邊我們其實是有一些政策上的牽引也可以跟這邊跟部長來討論看看針對63歲的這些勞動朋友們當他到63、64歲的時候那勞動部能夠主動的通知\n\n17\n00:05:24,338 --> 00:05:50,536\n有就業補助這樣的方案那同時也能夠主動的去讓我們的企業主知道跟我們的勞動朋友可以協商延後退休這樣的可行性那最後呢也希望能夠有一個協商的指引可以提供給業主做參考那也可以當勞動朋友做參考那經過這個完整的配套以後我們就有機會去了解去統計調查為什麼\n\n18\n00:05:53,158 --> 00:06:11,634\n如果他在執行上有困難或者是執行有無法達到目標的地方我們可以做後續的政策上滾動的一些檢討不知道部長針對這樣的這個政策建議在執行上預期會碰到哪一些的困難或者是如何能夠再去做調控的部分\n\n19\n00:06:12,742 --> 00:06:31,409\n是,謝謝委員的這個建議,非常好像你前面講的勞動部主動通知中高齡就會補助還有主動通知可協商以後退休這個我們正在跟勞保局建立勾肌然後由勞保局的這個系統我們也許可以來主動來發送這些通知給勞工朋友\n\n20\n00:06:31,869 --> 00:06:32,029\n議員．吳春城議員\n\n21\n00:06:54,195 --> 00:06:55,155\n蘇芬委員講得非常清楚\n\n22\n00:07:19,264 --> 00:07:19,464\n議員吳春城\n\n23\n00:07:41,232 --> 00:08:09,018\n其實我們很了解這個在理念上大家都非常的認同的確中高齡高齡的這些朋友們有需要有更全面的一些支應的方式來處理不過就好像我們討論非常多這個本法案的這個主管機關如果是在行政院的話基本上就不好不像是應該在衛防委員會裡面來說主要的討論然後\n\n24\n00:08:10,018 --> 00:08:36,819\n所以應該包括像內政委員會或經濟委員會來主審可能會更適合那如果有那麼多的部會的參與可能要聯席財政交通跟交易委員會這個都是未來在處理的部分我們需要去更了解那當然有公聽會由我們這個委員會或者是由立院來主辦的公聽會應該是可以讓更多的學者專家還有相關的人員一起來努力好謝謝委員謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:39,892 --> 00:08:40,376\n謝謝部長謝謝王委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n249\t269\t區委員質詢。\n21604\t35762\t部長好我想今天到現在同樣的一些問題一直在請教部長還有相關的我們的官員所有委員其實都很關心就是我們如果能夠針對一個中高齡甚至是高齡的長者\n37844\t60376\t從臺灣需要的角度來請他們共同繼續替臺灣怕病。我想最重要的重點應該在這裡。那我們也知道有很多的努力,包括之前我們也通過了65歲到底退休了,可以有什麼其他的辦法。所以我們今天就希望針對於在相關的法案裡面有提到要兩年之內\n61096\t82055\t要提出一些相關的補助或政策上的理解所以我們就把它定在63歲的時候應該做什麼提供給部長這邊來做參考經過這個勞基法50條修訂以後大家都很擔心到底執行上有沒有什麼困難實際上能夠做到什麼樣的一個可行的\n82935\t100284\t議會之下來協助這些即將退休的勞動朋友可以做哪一些事情所以變成如何能夠讓勞資雙方知道政府有補助方案的申請那這些申請以後如果有做跟沒有做\n101417\t106382\t告知勞動朋友有哪些權益目前都有在執行當中比如說清零退休金或者是相關的一些權益\n122498\t122678\t議員吳春城\n139992\t160598\t我們可以看這個在54條修正以後就是年滿65歲就可以透過勞僱雙方來協商延後那在中高齡跟高齡者就業促進法29條裡面的第一項就是說要前兩年裡面要提供相關的這些補助措施而且需要\n161358\t161598\t議員吳春城\n184944\t191889\t的這個勞參率只剩下9.6相較於南韓跟日本真的是差非常的多那60到64歲之間從39%變成9%這個就是我們如何能夠讓這一群人有機會提高他的勞參率\n200815\t207325\t所以如果我們希望能夠有機會達到像日本跟韓國一樣的勞參與的話那我們如何能夠先讓這個63歲64歲的這些勞動者能夠參與那這是我們所知道的人口數\n216278\t216298\t對,這因\n243829\t259628\t委員我們就是指說這一個中高齡法今年修正以來在65歲退休前兩年就應該要準備計劃這個部分對這個因為法令剛通過我們正在緊鑼密鼓的規劃規劃這一個\n263464\t263884\t對,那麼這些我們都現在正在規劃進行中這樣子。\n281810\t308005\t因為我們是7月才開始啟動嘛所以到現在為止差不多將近只有5個月時間可能會慢慢的累積一些相關的資料那也可以進行後續的分析我們後續也會來統計分析相信剛剛楊崇英委員也有提到為什麼我們的勞參率一直提升不起來他也希望部長這邊能夠提供相關的方案給他做參考\n308966\t313369\t這邊我們其實是有一些政策上的牽引也可以跟這邊跟部長來討論看看針對63歲的這些勞動朋友們當他到63、64歲的時候那勞動部能夠主動的通知\n324338\t350536\t有就業補助這樣的方案那同時也能夠主動的去讓我們的企業主知道跟我們的勞動朋友可以協商延後退休這樣的可行性那最後呢也希望能夠有一個協商的指引可以提供給業主做參考那也可以當勞動朋友做參考那經過這個完整的配套以後我們就有機會去了解去統計調查為什麼\n353158\t371634\t如果他在執行上有困難或者是執行有無法達到目標的地方我們可以做後續的政策上滾動的一些檢討不知道部長針對這樣的這個政策建議在執行上預期會碰到哪一些的困難或者是如何能夠再去做調控的部分\n372742\t391409\t是,謝謝委員的這個建議,非常好像你前面講的勞動部主動通知中高齡就會補助還有主動通知可協商以後退休這個我們正在跟勞保局建立勾肌然後由勞保局的這個系統我們也許可以來主動來發送這些通知給勞工朋友\n391869\t392029\t議員．吳春城議員\n414195\t415155\t蘇芬委員講得非常清楚\n439264\t439464\t議員吳春城\n461232\t489018\t其實我們很了解這個在理念上大家都非常的認同的確中高齡高齡的這些朋友們有需要有更全面的一些支應的方式來處理不過就好像我們討論非常多這個本法案的這個主管機關如果是在行政院的話基本上就不好不像是應該在衛防委員會裡面來說主要的討論然後\n490018\t516819\t所以應該包括像內政委員會或經濟委員會來主審可能會更適合那如果有那麼多的部會的參與可能要聯席財政交通跟交易委員會這個都是未來在處理的部分我們需要去更了解那當然有公聽會由我們這個委員會或者是由立院來主辦的公聽會應該是可以讓更多的學者專家還有相關的人員一起來努力好謝謝委員謝謝\n519892\t520376\t謝謝部長謝謝王委員\n","txt":"區委員質詢。\n部長好我想今天到現在同樣的一些問題一直在請教部長還有相關的我們的官員所有委員其實都很關心就是我們如果能夠針對一個中高齡甚至是高齡的長者\n從臺灣需要的角度來請他們共同繼續替臺灣怕病。我想最重要的重點應該在這裡。那我們也知道有很多的努力,包括之前我們也通過了65歲到底退休了,可以有什麼其他的辦法。所以我們今天就希望針對於在相關的法案裡面有提到要兩年之內\n要提出一些相關的補助或政策上的理解所以我們就把它定在63歲的時候應該做什麼提供給部長這邊來做參考經過這個勞基法50條修訂以後大家都很擔心到底執行上有沒有什麼困難實際上能夠做到什麼樣的一個可行的\n議會之下來協助這些即將退休的勞動朋友可以做哪一些事情所以變成如何能夠讓勞資雙方知道政府有補助方案的申請那這些申請以後如果有做跟沒有做\n告知勞動朋友有哪些權益目前都有在執行當中比如說清零退休金或者是相關的一些權益\n議員吳春城\n我們可以看這個在54條修正以後就是年滿65歲就可以透過勞僱雙方來協商延後那在中高齡跟高齡者就業促進法29條裡面的第一項就是說要前兩年裡面要提供相關的這些補助措施而且需要\n議員吳春城\n的這個勞參率只剩下9.6相較於南韓跟日本真的是差非常的多那60到64歲之間從39%變成9%這個就是我們如何能夠讓這一群人有機會提高他的勞參率\n所以如果我們希望能夠有機會達到像日本跟韓國一樣的勞參與的話那我們如何能夠先讓這個63歲64歲的這些勞動者能夠參與那這是我們所知道的人口數\n對,這因\n委員我們就是指說這一個中高齡法今年修正以來在65歲退休前兩年就應該要準備計劃這個部分對這個因為法令剛通過我們正在緊鑼密鼓的規劃規劃這一個\n對,那麼這些我們都現在正在規劃進行中這樣子。\n因為我們是7月才開始啟動嘛所以到現在為止差不多將近只有5個月時間可能會慢慢的累積一些相關的資料那也可以進行後續的分析我們後續也會來統計分析相信剛剛楊崇英委員也有提到為什麼我們的勞參率一直提升不起來他也希望部長這邊能夠提供相關的方案給他做參考\n這邊我們其實是有一些政策上的牽引也可以跟這邊跟部長來討論看看針對63歲的這些勞動朋友們當他到63、64歲的時候那勞動部能夠主動的通知\n有就業補助這樣的方案那同時也能夠主動的去讓我們的企業主知道跟我們的勞動朋友可以協商延後退休這樣的可行性那最後呢也希望能夠有一個協商的指引可以提供給業主做參考那也可以當勞動朋友做參考那經過這個完整的配套以後我們就有機會去了解去統計調查為什麼\n如果他在執行上有困難或者是執行有無法達到目標的地方我們可以做後續的政策上滾動的一些檢討不知道部長針對這樣的這個政策建議在執行上預期會碰到哪一些的困難或者是如何能夠再去做調控的部分\n是,謝謝委員的這個建議,非常好像你前面講的勞動部主動通知中高齡就會補助還有主動通知可協商以後退休這個我們正在跟勞保局建立勾肌然後由勞保局的這個系統我們也許可以來主動來發送這些通知給勞工朋友\n議員．吳春城議員\n蘇芬委員講得非常清楚\n議員吳春城\n其實我們很了解這個在理念上大家都非常的認同的確中高齡高齡的這些朋友們有需要有更全面的一些支應的方式來處理不過就好像我們討論非常多這個本法案的這個主管機關如果是在行政院的話基本上就不好不像是應該在衛防委員會裡面來說主要的討論然後\n所以應該包括像內政委員會或經濟委員會來主審可能會更適合那如果有那麼多的部會的參與可能要聯席財政交通跟交易委員會這個都是未來在處理的部分我們需要去更了解那當然有公聽會由我們這個委員會或者是由立院來主辦的公聽會應該是可以讓更多的學者專家還有相關的人員一起來努力好謝謝委員謝謝\n謝謝部長謝謝王委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:00.269\n區委員質詢。\n\n00:21.604 --> 00:35.762\n部長好我想今天到現在同樣的一些問題一直在請教部長還有相關的我們的官員所有委員其實都很關心就是我們如果能夠針對一個中高齡甚至是高齡的長者\n\n00:37.844 --> 01:00.376\n從臺灣需要的角度來請他們共同繼續替臺灣怕病。我想最重要的重點應該在這裡。那我們也知道有很多的努力,包括之前我們也通過了65歲到底退休了,可以有什麼其他的辦法。所以我們今天就希望針對於在相關的法案裡面有提到要兩年之內\n\n01:01.096 --> 01:22.055\n要提出一些相關的補助或政策上的理解所以我們就把它定在63歲的時候應該做什麼提供給部長這邊來做參考經過這個勞基法50條修訂以後大家都很擔心到底執行上有沒有什麼困難實際上能夠做到什麼樣的一個可行的\n\n01:22.935 --> 01:40.284\n議會之下來協助這些即將退休的勞動朋友可以做哪一些事情所以變成如何能夠讓勞資雙方知道政府有補助方案的申請那這些申請以後如果有做跟沒有做\n\n01:41.417 --> 01:46.382\n告知勞動朋友有哪些權益目前都有在執行當中比如說清零退休金或者是相關的一些權益\n\n02:02.498 --> 02:02.678\n議員吳春城\n\n02:19.992 --> 02:40.598\n我們可以看這個在54條修正以後就是年滿65歲就可以透過勞僱雙方來協商延後那在中高齡跟高齡者就業促進法29條裡面的第一項就是說要前兩年裡面要提供相關的這些補助措施而且需要\n\n02:41.358 --> 02:41.598\n議員吳春城\n\n03:04.944 --> 03:11.889\n的這個勞參率只剩下9.6相較於南韓跟日本真的是差非常的多那60到64歲之間從39%變成9%這個就是我們如何能夠讓這一群人有機會提高他的勞參率\n\n03:20.815 --> 03:27.325\n所以如果我們希望能夠有機會達到像日本跟韓國一樣的勞參與的話那我們如何能夠先讓這個63歲64歲的這些勞動者能夠參與那這是我們所知道的人口數\n\n03:36.278 --> 03:36.298\n對,這因\n\n04:03.829 --> 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