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00:01:37,044\n這個成果是可以看得出來的啊但是代表什麼時代不一樣壯世代是可以用的但是我看到今天啊我們有一些委員同仁還有部長在打詢就是這個政策你支持這個法令暫時不支持我同意\n\n5\n00:01:37,944 --> 00:01:59,732\n但是要把成績做出來那事實上以現在看起來兩個最重要的要先行去推行一行政院辦公室既然認同院長卓院長也成立一個辦公室那第二個很重要的就是勞動部第二個\n\n6\n00:02:00,931 --> 00:02:23,399\n衛福部,這些東西是非常重要所以我要建議為什麼要請你們三位來一是管政策二是管執行那你們單位是在管執行啊其他單位是配合啊那配合要不要配合當然要配合你們兩位兩個部會成績做出來後面就好跟啊\n\n7\n00:02:24,139 --> 00:02:41,357\n教育部的好跟在金融機構的好跟就跟著這個模型來做所以你們兩個部會是最重要的所以至於法令如何要不要定其實我是建議部長你要跟行政院建議啦\n\n8\n00:02:43,299 --> 00:02:59,718\n這個法令的定定是吳春城委員他非常你看連署這麼多人三黨通通連署為什麼這就是共識嘛那你們也可以提版本那也不急於一時現在就談法律問題但是談實際問題\n\n9\n00:03:03,562 --> 00:03:23,348\n也就是你把成績把成果把它做出來壯世代是未來的趨勢我們已經先做了這個也是在幫行政機關啊在做事欸所以不要去計較這些所以我還是要拜託我們何部長既然你們現在已經在做認真的去推\n\n10\n00:03:24,068 --> 00:03:36,715\n第2個衛福部該做本來老人業務本來英華族的業務本來他的福利本來就是你們衛福部要做的所以你們兩個部會一定要去擔當那行政院既然\n\n11\n00:03:39,777 --> 00:03:58,679\n不管是陳建寧院長現在卓榮泰院長有這個制度你們為什麼三大企圖不好好運用一下那才來擴大各部會這個案子才推得會成功這個案子才會去落實所以我也要拜託何部長\n\n12\n00:04:00,060 --> 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