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00:01:44,686\n然後大概是佔國家的1%來作為鼓勵生育這件事情可是呢其實他縱觀了全球不管是北歐、法國、美國各個地方的他其實歸納出來一個結論就是說其實呢\n\n7\n00:01:50,251 --> 00:02:09,625\n這個只要女性不想生育了就很難起死回生因為觀念的轉變讓年輕女性不想再拼命生小孩現今的補貼對於中低收入的家庭有短暫的吸引力第三個就是中等階級的家庭比起育兒更在乎自己的家庭生活那他其中也有提到一個解放就是說\n\n8\n00:02:11,238 --> 00:02:22,699\n在北歐,以北歐的例子來說,我們如果可以提供一個更友善的措施,例如產假或優渥的兒童托育政策,就可能會有一個小幅度的提升。」\n\n9\n00:02:25,051 --> 00:02:53,312\n就是小幅度喔,非常小幅度那這個研究其實我也發現中研院鄭彥新研究員也有相關的研究在講為何孩子越生越少他談少子化的困境那他其實裡面也有去講到就是說這個結論是跟經濟學人一樣的不過我想要先講一件事情喔他剛講就是支持友善的環境那我不曉得主委有沒有在網路上面看過各式各樣的厭害言論\n\n10\n00:02:55,818 --> 00:03:11,953\n我有這個習慣在網路上搜集這些訊息我們也從網路上看到的確目前來講心態上的不爭比什麼都多我們也可以感受到其實我們有找文化部討論因為很多是文化層次\n\n11\n00:03:12,754 --> 00:03:40,410\n我想你可以看到美國人都願意多生小孩因為他們的溫情在不論在電視節目或是在家庭生活對我想文化是一個部分我們反而變少了文化的部分是一個但是我可以我舉一個例子就是說你可以看到上面講的當一個家長他們其實在上面討論就是說我帶小孩搭飛機我要準備什麼東西我是不是要讓他吃個鼻塞藥讓他在上面好睡覺我就不會吵到別人我今天搭去餐廳吃飯我要整理得多乾淨我才不會被\n\n12\n00:03:41,431 --> 00:04:05,155\n餐廳的老闆媽才會被別人偷拍照。」但其實整個社會是一個非常厭寒的環境其實這增加了女性尤其是特別是女性在育兒的時候她的這個擔憂跟困境所以我會覺得說我們今天在做少子化的時候我們除了現金補貼之外還有我們現在做的這些政策之外我們是不是可以有更開闊的一些思考來去思考\n\n13\n00:04:05,635 --> 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