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00:00:58,714\n他喜歡把政敵的首級掛在市場、廣場上去展示那為什麼要把敵人的首級掛在廣場上去示眾呢?為什麼?代表他的這個權威嗎?非常好,代表他的權威,兩個意義我是勝利者,你被我踩在腳底下了第二個,向反對者示威這就是敢和我作對的下場\n\n3\n00:01:00,838 --> 00:01:23,299\n請問周秘書長你知道你今天為什麼被火速傳召到這邊來報告嗎我不太理解不過基於這個幕僚貴會主席要求我們一定要依照規定一定要來備選秘書長是謙謙君子所以主席傳召你就來\n\n4\n00:01:24,557 --> 00:01:47,240\n我告訴你,你就是民進黨用大法官斬首立法院拿出來示威示眾的那顆人頭今天找你來就是來示威的所以我要說辛苦周秘書長被民進黨拿來當作耀武揚威的人頭接下來我要特別向我們的主席致敬\n\n5\n00:01:48,444 --> 00:02:16,338\n我們今天的中嘉賓主席真的是讓我開了眼界活生生把天龍八部裡面丁春秋新宿派的場景搬到司法法制委員會我佩服他為我們新宿黨的掌門人清德老仙搭了一場馬屁大會的場就算了我們新宿黨還自帶BGM自帶背景音樂自帶背景的NPC\n\n6\n00:02:17,939 --> 00:02:38,696\n來陪你們耀武揚威啊把我們周秘書長找來齁要消守市眾的同時還找兩個包新宿黨在市縣辯護的律師來這邊當BGM和新宿黨立委吳思瑤跟鍾嘉斌一搭一唱一起大合唱啊好悅耳啊\n\n7\n00:02:39,813 --> 00:02:46,669\n我耳邊響起一陣口號啦清德老先法力無邊神通廣大法駕國會\n\n8\n00:02:49,205 --> 00:03:09,533\n聽了我都好想要加入新宿黨阿不知道現在來得及找人來推薦一下啦看到我們宗嘉賓這麼賣力的演出齁我真的是覺得他跟天龍八部那個新宿派大弟子大師兄宅興子齁有87%的相似阿佩服他我也為我們清德老先感到欣慰\n\n9\n00:03:10,473 --> 00:03:28,760\n我真的很想在立法院提案端請清德老先把鍾嘉斌封為大弟子讓我們所有新宿黨的立委好好學習鍾嘉斌拍馬屁的本領我又跟各位講為什麼我這樣說當然啦主席要排案怎麼排案是主席的事\n\n10\n00:03:29,761 --> 00:03:45,795\n主席也不要牽托吳宗憲吳宗憲上次請來的律師他們希望針對公眾案件表達意見也只是列席而已沒有上台這邊開始大吹法螺啦幫民進黨大吹法螺啦今天過來找那邊幹嘛呢就是要幫忙大吹法螺啊因為最簡單的問題\n\n11\n00:03:53,424 --> 00:04:11,896\n今天在國會裡面如果真的是一個公正的主席以及要找幫行政院事先辯護的BGM上來事先辯護的律師上來那你為什麼不找今天認為國會改革是合憲的所謂的律師跟教授上來\n\n12\n00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:37,517\n葉靖遠律師你找了沒林石猛律師你找了沒展貴美教授你找了沒他們都是認為今天國會改革合憲的你找兩個人你其中一個讓今天另外一方的意見在我們立法院的這個場域就像公聽會公聽會如果辦的話絕對不是找單方單照啦找單方單照就是你心虛嘛\n\n13\n00:04:41,843 --> 00:04:42,824\n接下來我就有一些關於憲法判決的問題要就教於周秘書長\n\n14\n00:05:10,748 --> 00:05:37,206\n這一次大法官幾乎把所有上個會期國會改革的法案包括聽證調查包括對官員說謊刻意處罰的這些條文都宣布為違憲當然反盪式忠貞也看到了一些大法官有不同的意見我希望就教一下周秘書長三森林大法官說他說總統的國情報告\n\n15\n00:05:41,094 --> 00:06:02,544\n總統的就職跟國慶演說也沒有在憲法明文規定啊但已經成為目前的慣例因此在總統到立法院國情報告在不強制的情況下只針對施行細節入法因屬合憲判定違憲會讓大法官陷入政治紛爭我不知道秘書長你認不認同這句話\n\n16\n00:06:03,304 --> 00:06:29,360\n我拜讀過,我是認為他有他的一個對這一個的看法是,我很佩服我可以再補充一句嗎?因為權力婚例,我是整個拜讀過的裡面我對於朱道法官、朱惠美道法官所提的一個概念是我長期在自己也教書我是一個權力婚例還要包括制服\n\n17\n00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:40,682\n這checkandmaintenance是任何人都會理解的一個事情沒錯所以我在朱鎂梅大法官在引述的時候我代讀以後我是非常讚佩他\n\n18\n00:06:41,328 --> 00:07:02,454\n我覺得秘書長你講的也是我心裡的話朱飛美大法官說針對公務人員於調查聽證人事同意權審查所提供的資料必須本允適時否則會影響公共利益若違反時適當處罰可以維護行政權的行使秘書長你覺得這句話怎麼樣就是你剛剛講的很認同啊不是我要跟秘書長說\n\n19\n00:07:10,509 --> 00:07:24,597\n我今天為大法官感到可悲的是我必須說朱富美大法官這句話簡直就是常識啊就是小時候你的老師你的爸爸媽媽告訴你不要說謊今天竟然我們的大法官說針對在國會說謊的官員處罰是違憲的\n\n20\n00:07:33,277 --> 00:07:57,179\n我跟你講我真的覺得不可思議啦所以我一來佩服朱費爾大法官的他的這個所謂的不同意的意見書另外一方面我真的也是感到真的是竟然可以到這麼簡單的事情我們大法官這一次留下兩個世界典範啦第一個就是說謊官員就是高風亮節的新數黨代表啦\n\n21\n00:07:58,052 --> 00:08:19,088\n只要說謊官員今天在國會上勇於說謊就是我們新宿黨的表率啊不就這個意思從今而後官員不說謊就是失職啊大法官幫你開了一條大紅毯啊大紅地毯啊歡迎上來說謊啊不就這個意思一說謊免責啊說謊沒事啊\n\n22\n00:08:22,145 --> 00:08:45,702\n另外我也看到包括我們這個詹森林大法官也講啊質詢跟提供文件具有相同意義是讓立法院在監督時有更多的依據不應該將被質詢人提供文件的調查行為視為違憲我真的覺得很痛苦的原因是什麼詹森林大法官這段話\n\n23\n00:08:47,233 --> 00:08:53,463\n真的也不是什麼高深莫測的一些法律監視的用語就是大白話連這麼簡單的事情大法官今天可以違背公眾的一個想法來宣布違憲\n\n24\n00:09:02,793 --> 00:09:17,383\n你以為就是今天我很欣賞也佩服才是有大法官今天不願同流合污啊勇敢做出不同意見書但為什麼這些大法官這樣講呢我接下來就下一個來針對國際的狀況來就教於秘書長各國官員在國會虛偽陳述很多都是有罰則的因為國會是個憲政機關的神聖殿堂\n\n25\n00:09:29,844 --> 00:09:58,176\n他是代表人民來監督執政者如果在國會裡面今天做虛偽陳述的話他侮辱的不是國會他侮辱的是人民嘛對不對我秘書長沒錯嘛好我想請教英國號的規定是任何在國會做出虛假陳述誤導行政監察或使行使調查權之人適同藐視法庭相應職責最高監禁兩年或病科罰金\n\n26\n00:09:59,556 --> 00:10:24,472\n請問英國這個規定是反民主的規定嗎?沒有的,我要跟羅委員報告法制局針對這個裡面因為為了我寫裡面先進國家有先例吧有的一些立法例所以我想說大概委員會質疑這裡引用的英國、德國、法國、美國、日本、韓國的相關法規都有\n\n27\n00:10:25,853 --> 00:10:27,894\n美國也是以偽證罪起訴最高監禁5年我想問我們秘書長美國的規定反民主嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:42,263 --> 00:11:05,959\n說謊官員要處罰是反民主的嗎?是啊!然後日本也是啊!日本是虛偽陳述可以處3月以上10年以下有期徒刑韓國宣誓之證人或鑑定人做虛偽陳述一年以上10年以下有期徒刑那我想請問日本韓國這些規定都是反民主的嗎?顯然不是啊!\n\n29\n00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:30,825\n這些都是民主國家其實我跟秘書長講我真的也懂了一件事情我們講民主國家來去談這件事情大法官都荒謬我特地是覺得是羞辱民主國家這四個字官員不該在國會說謊簡直不用用民主原則來講啦這叫做人做事的基本道理都可以講啦\n\n30\n00:11:32,776 --> 00:11:48,325\n你這天才的新宿黨民進黨這個新宿黨你就可以找得到說新宿黨的BGM上來可以幫你辯護說官員可以說謊你國會處罰官員說謊是大不敬啊怎麼會有這種黨啊你要泯滅自己從小到大是非價值判斷到什麼程度你才有辦法做出這樣的一個宣誓啊\n\n31\n00:11:58,874 --> 00:12:17,397\n所以真的全部加入新宿派好了那清德真的直接公布說你就是丁春秋然後宗家兵當宅新子當大弟子最適合每天就開始清德老先法力無邊吹下去就有一天大皇帝啦然後接下來我們來看齁一樣啊這高市長說謊官員啊違反聽證調查的一些罰則不管是英國、德國、法國、韓國\n\n32\n00:12:28,663 --> 00:12:57,079\n都有吧?都有罰則吧?我上次大概在6案執行的時候我們法處局有後會對於這一部分有做一個相當大的資料給各位看小米算你那份資料有給大家幫助很大不會讓說今天台灣民眾變成是民進黨蒙蔽下井底之蛙啦能夠讓他看看全世界國家怎麼規定所以才能夠顯現出今天大法官的荒謬\n\n33\n00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,503\n就是其他國家都不是這樣做的當然我們現在國會要這麼做大法官竟然說違憲更可恥的是什麼我跟秘書長說來我想請教一下你以為只有這些其他的國家有這些規定嗎\n\n34\n00:13:18,410 --> 00:13:43,892\n我們的民進黨的林佳龍當立委的時候他也曾經做過虛偽陳述執行文件調譽公聽會以為虛偽陳述或提出內容虛偽不實要處一年以下有期徒刑科一百萬以下罰金請問林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?是憲政獨龍嗎?他提這個是反民主反憲政是違憲的嗎?林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?還是憲政獨龍?\n\n35\n00:13:46,977 --> 00:13:49,739\n民進黨在2016年的所謂的這個國會改革版本裡面也針對虛偽陳述有提出行政處罰的規定這個政黨完全就是怎麼樣呢為了擴張自己權力當一個貪婪的權力的怪獸\n\n36\n00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:39,868\n他今天不只吃掉全世界的民主國家的先令他連以前的前輩以前的民進黨自己都不放過全部打臉最後我真的是語重心長我知道今天秘書長為什麼要找你來啦民進黨的慣性就這樣大法官變我手中的屠龍刀必逆天下我斬了你立法院的手跟腳\n\n37\n00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:52,584\n你以為這樣就夠了沒有啦以我大民進黨的風範我今天當然要召開一個報告把立法院被砍斷的手腳放到桌上啊大家看看啊就把周秘書長你叫來就讓大家看看我民進黨的威風啊大法官任我驅策唯我除狗啊帥啊民進黨啊威啊民進黨啊就是展現威風就這麼簡單\n\n38\n00:15:11,482 --> 00:15:34,396\n今天這場報告坦白講,我也不認為有太大意義,原因是什麼?因為只有一個最重要的意義,就是讓民進黨來耍威風啊!還找兩個BGM來上來開始吹法螺啊!不然鄒家斌為什麼?主席先不要站起來,你剛剛多講三分鐘,我要示範一下。我會講足你那三分鐘,你剛剛有多講三分鐘,你自己當主席有多講。我就要回頭講啊!\n\n39\n00:15:36,516 --> 00:15:45,539\n如果中嘉賓真的有稍微一點點點點一根毛的公正今天坐在底下就不會只有兩個BGM啦坐在底下就會有葉慶元、展櫃美或者是林時猛你有沒有邀請?就這麼簡單啊你讓兩兆的意見都能夠公平公正地在...我問一次會議詢問嗎?不要...你待會有時間...你要問我啊!你說你上會議會議詢問我來問你啦!會議詢問!\n\n40\n00:16:06,789 --> 00:16:32,711\n你有沒有邀請葉慶元?我們本週式的公聽會有請三個黨員同意後我們會來邀請你有沒有在今天正常邀請葉慶元?有還是沒有?剛剛你只問今天不是公聽會今天不是公聽會今天是委員會沒有嘛今天是專報沒有嘛我不管是公聽會跟專報我剛剛講過啊鍾佳冰有一根毛的公正性你都會找不同意見兩方來啦\n\n41\n00:16:34,639 --> 00:17:00,224\n你為什麼不找就心虛嘛你還有會議詢問我怕會議詢問羞辱你應該又答不出來你有沒有邀請掌櫃妹今天我不是講宮廷委宮廷委怎麼邀請你一定邀兩趙啦你的三分鐘快到了沒關係沒關係會議詢問時間暫停沒有沒有暫停的啦沒有會議詢問你在超時詢問當中我跟妳回答太多今天不是端報你上次會議詢問四次了我都幫你算喔通通沒佔時間喔\n\n42\n00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:02,024\n那謝謝秘書長也謝謝羅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11536\t26570\t主席有請周秘書長秘書長你知道封建時代的暴君在打敗政敵以後最喜歡做什麼事情嗎?\n30404\t58714\t他喜歡把政敵的首級掛在市場、廣場上去展示那為什麼要把敵人的首級掛在廣場上去示眾呢?為什麼?代表他的這個權威嗎?非常好,代表他的權威,兩個意義我是勝利者,你被我踩在腳底下了第二個,向反對者示威這就是敢和我作對的下場\n60838\t83299\t請問周秘書長你知道你今天為什麼被火速傳召到這邊來報告嗎我不太理解不過基於這個幕僚貴會主席要求我們一定要依照規定一定要來備選秘書長是謙謙君子所以主席傳召你就來\n84557\t107240\t我告訴你,你就是民進黨用大法官斬首立法院拿出來示威示眾的那顆人頭今天找你來就是來示威的所以我要說辛苦周秘書長被民進黨拿來當作耀武揚威的人頭接下來我要特別向我們的主席致敬\n108444\t136338\t我們今天的中嘉賓主席真的是讓我開了眼界活生生把天龍八部裡面丁春秋新宿派的場景搬到司法法制委員會我佩服他為我們新宿黨的掌門人清德老仙搭了一場馬屁大會的場就算了我們新宿黨還自帶BGM自帶背景音樂自帶背景的NPC\n137939\t158696\t來陪你們耀武揚威啊把我們周秘書長找來齁要消守市眾的同時還找兩個包新宿黨在市縣辯護的律師來這邊當BGM和新宿黨立委吳思瑤跟鍾嘉斌一搭一唱一起大合唱啊好悅耳啊\n159813\t166669\t我耳邊響起一陣口號啦清德老先 法力無邊神通廣大 法駕國會\n169205\t189533\t聽了我都好想要加入新宿黨阿不知道現在來得及找人來推薦一下啦看到我們宗嘉賓這麼賣力的演出齁我真的是覺得他跟天龍八部那個新宿派大弟子大師兄宅興子齁有87%的相似阿佩服他我也為我們清德老先感到欣慰\n190473\t208760\t我真的很想在立法院提案端請清德老先把鍾嘉斌封為大弟子讓我們所有新宿黨的立委好好學習鍾嘉斌拍馬屁的本領我又跟各位講為什麼我這樣說當然啦主席要排案怎麼排案是主席的事\n209761\t225795\t主席也不要牽托吳宗憲吳宗憲上次請來的律師他們希望針對公眾案件表達意見也只是列席而已沒有上台這邊開始大吹法螺啦幫民進黨大吹法螺啦今天過來找那邊幹嘛呢就是要幫忙大吹法螺啊因為最簡單的問題\n233424\t251896\t今天在國會裡面如果真的是一個公正的主席以及要找幫行政院事先辯護的BGM上來事先辯護的律師上來那你為什麼不找今天認為國會改革是合憲的所謂的律師跟教授上來\n253320\t277517\t葉靖遠律師你找了沒林石猛律師你找了沒展貴美教授你找了沒他們都是認為今天國會改革合憲的你找兩個人你其中一個讓今天另外一方的意見在我們立法院的這個場域就像公聽會公聽會如果辦的話絕對不是找單方單照啦找單方單照就是你心虛嘛\n281843\t282824\t接下來我就有一些關於憲法判決的問題要就教於周秘書長\n310748\t337206\t這一次大法官幾乎把所有上個會期國會改革的法案包括聽證調查包括對官員說謊刻意處罰的這些條文都宣布為違憲當然反盪式忠貞也看到了一些大法官有不同的意見我希望就教一下周秘書長三森林大法官說他說總統的國情報告\n341094\t362544\t總統的就職跟國慶演說也沒有在憲法明文規定啊但已經成為目前的慣例因此在總統到立法院國情報告在不強制的情況下只針對施行細節入法因屬合憲判定違憲會讓大法官陷入政治紛爭我不知道秘書長你認不認同這句話\n363304\t389360\t我拜讀過,我是認為他有他的一個對這一個的看法是,我很佩服我可以再補充一句嗎?因為權力婚例,我是整個拜讀過的裡面我對於朱道法官、朱惠美道法官所提的一個概念是我長期在自己也教書我是一個權力婚例還要包括制服\n390040\t400682\t這check and maintenance是任何人都會理解的一個事情沒錯所以我在朱鎂梅大法官在引述的時候我代讀以後我是非常讚佩他\n401328\t422454\t我覺得秘書長你講的也是我心裡的話朱飛美大法官說針對公務人員於調查聽證人事同意權審查所提供的資料必須本允適時否則會影響公共利益若違反時適當處罰可以維護行政權的行使秘書長你覺得這句話怎麼樣就是你剛剛講的很認同啊不是我要跟秘書長說\n430509\t444597\t我今天為大法官感到可悲的是我必須說朱富美大法官這句話簡直就是常識啊就是小時候你的老師你的爸爸媽媽告訴你不要說謊今天竟然我們的大法官說針對在國會說謊的官員處罰是違憲的\n453277\t477179\t我跟你講我真的覺得不可思議啦所以我一來佩服朱費爾大法官的他的這個所謂的不同意的意見書另外一方面我真的也是感到真的是竟然可以到這麼簡單的事情我們大法官這一次留下兩個世界典範啦第一個就是說謊官員就是高風亮節的新數黨代表啦\n478052\t499088\t只要說謊官員今天在國會上勇於說謊就是我們新宿黨的表率啊不就這個意思從今而後官員不說謊就是失職啊大法官幫你開了一條大紅毯啊大紅地毯啊歡迎上來說謊啊不就這個意思一說謊免責啊說謊沒事啊\n502145\t525702\t另外我也看到包括我們這個詹森林大法官也講啊質詢跟提供文件具有相同意義是讓立法院在監督時有更多的依據不應該將被質詢人提供文件的調查行為視為違憲我真的覺得很痛苦的原因是什麼詹森林大法官這段話\n527233\t533463\t真的也不是什麼高深莫測的一些法律監視的用語就是大白話連這麼簡單的事情大法官今天可以違背公眾的一個想法來宣布違憲\n542793\t557383\t你以為就是今天我很欣賞也佩服才是有大法官今天不願同流合污啊勇敢做出不同意見書但為什麼這些大法官這樣講呢我接下來就下一個來針對國際的狀況來就教於秘書長各國官員在國會虛偽陳述很多都是有罰則的因為國會是個憲政機關的神聖殿堂\n569844\t598176\t他是代表人民來監督執政者如果在國會裡面今天做虛偽陳述的話他侮辱的不是國會他侮辱的是人民嘛 對不對我秘書長沒錯嘛好我想請教英國號的規定是任何在國會做出虛假陳述誤導行政監察或使行使調查權之人適同藐視法庭相應職責最高監禁兩年或病科罰金\n599556\t624472\t請問英國這個規定是反民主的規定嗎?沒有的,我要跟羅委員報告法制局針對這個裡面因為為了我寫裡面先進國家有先例吧有的一些立法例所以我想說大概委員會質疑這裡引用的英國、德國、法國、美國、日本、韓國的相關法規都有\n625853\t627894\t美國也是以偽證罪起訴最高監禁5年我想問我們秘書長美國的規定反民主嗎?\n642263\t665959\t說謊官員要處罰是反民主的嗎?是啊!然後日本也是啊!日本是虛偽陳述可以處3月以上10年以下有期徒刑韓國宣誓之證人或鑑定人做虛偽陳述一年以上10年以下有期徒刑那我想請問日本韓國這些規定都是反民主的嗎?顯然不是啊!\n667233\t690825\t這些都是民主國家 其實我跟秘書長講 我真的也懂了一件事情我們講民主國家來去談這件事情 大法官都荒謬我特地是覺得是羞辱民主國家這四個字官員不該在國會說謊 簡直不用用民主原則來講啦這叫做人做事的基本道理都可以講啦\n692776\t708325\t你這天才的新宿黨民進黨這個新宿黨你就可以找得到說新宿黨的BGM上來可以幫你辯護說官員可以說謊你國會處罰官員說謊是大不敬啊怎麼會有這種黨啊你要泯滅自己從小到大是非價值判斷到什麼程度你才有辦法做出這樣的一個宣誓啊\n718874\t737397\t所以真的全部加入新宿派好了那清德真的直接公布說你就是丁春秋然後宗家兵當宅新子當大弟子最適合每天就開始清德老先法力無邊吹下去就有一天大皇帝啦然後接下來我們來看齁一樣啊這高市長說謊官員啊違反聽證調查的一些罰則不管是英國、德國、法國、韓國\n748663\t777079\t都有吧?都有罰則吧?我上次大概在6案執行的時候我們法處局有後會對於這一部分有做一個相當大的資料給各位看小米算你那份資料有給大家幫助很大不會讓說今天台灣民眾變成是民進黨蒙蔽下井底之蛙啦能夠讓他看看全世界國家怎麼規定所以才能夠顯現出今天大法官的荒謬\n779480\t781503\t就是其他國家都不是這樣做的當然我們現在國會要這麼做大法官竟然說違憲更可恥的是什麼我跟秘書長說來我想請教一下你以為只有這些其他的國家有這些規定嗎\n798410\t823892\t我們的民進黨的林佳龍當立委的時候他也曾經做過虛偽陳述執行文件調譽公聽會以為虛偽陳述或提出內容虛偽不實要處一年以下有期徒刑科一百萬以下罰金請問林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?是憲政獨龍嗎?他提這個是反民主反憲政是違憲的嗎?林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?還是憲政獨龍?\n826977\t829739\t民進黨在2016年的所謂的這個國會改革版本裡面也針對虛偽陳述有提出行政處罰的規定這個政黨完全就是怎麼樣呢為了擴張自己權力當一個貪婪的權力的怪獸\n854639\t879868\t他今天不只吃掉全世界的民主國家的先令他連以前的前輩以前的民進黨自己都不放過全部打臉最後我真的是語重心長我知道今天秘書長為什麼要找你來啦民進黨的慣性就這樣大法官變我手中的屠龍刀必逆天下我斬了你立法院的手跟腳\n881360\t892584\t你以為這樣就夠了沒有啦以我大民進黨的風範我今天當然要召開一個報告把立法院被砍斷的手腳放到桌上啊大家看看啊就把周秘書長你叫來就讓大家看看我民進黨的威風啊大法官任我驅策唯我除狗啊帥啊民進黨啊威啊民進黨啊就是展現威風就這麼簡單\n911482\t934396\t今天這場報告坦白講,我也不認為有太大意義,原因是什麼?因為只有一個最重要的意義,就是讓民進黨來耍威風啊!還找兩個BGM來上來開始吹法螺啊!不然鄒家斌為什麼?主席先不要站起來,你剛剛多講三分鐘,我要示範一下。我會講足你那三分鐘,你剛剛有多講三分鐘,你自己當主席有多講。我就要回頭講啊!\n936516\t945539\t如果中嘉賓真的有稍微一點點點點一根毛的公正今天坐在底下就不會只有兩個BGM啦坐在底下就會有葉慶元、展櫃美或者是林時猛你有沒有邀請?就這麼簡單啊你讓兩兆的意見都能夠公平公正地在...我問一次會議詢問嗎?不要...你待會有時間...你要問我啊!你說你上會議會議詢問我來問你啦!會議詢問!\n966789\t992711\t你有沒有邀請葉慶元?我們本週式的公聽會有請三個黨員同意後我們會來邀請你有沒有在今天正常邀請葉慶元?有還是沒有?剛剛你只問今天不是公聽會今天不是公聽會今天是委員會沒有嘛今天是專報沒有嘛我不管是公聽會跟專報我剛剛講過啊鍾佳冰有一根毛的公正性你都會找不同意見兩方來啦\n994639\t1020224\t你為什麼不找就心虛嘛你還有會議詢問我怕會議詢問羞辱你應該又答不出來你有沒有邀請掌櫃妹今天 我不是講宮廷委宮廷委怎麼邀請 你一定邀兩趙啦你的三分鐘快到了沒關係沒關係 會議詢問時間暫停沒有沒有暫停的啦沒有 會議詢問你在超時詢問當中我跟妳回答太多 今天不是端報你上次會議詢問四次了我都幫你算喔通通沒佔時間喔\n1021744\t1022024\t那謝謝秘書長 也謝謝羅委員\n","txt":"主席有請周秘書長秘書長你知道封建時代的暴君在打敗政敵以後最喜歡做什麼事情嗎?\n他喜歡把政敵的首級掛在市場、廣場上去展示那為什麼要把敵人的首級掛在廣場上去示眾呢?為什麼?代表他的這個權威嗎?非常好,代表他的權威,兩個意義我是勝利者,你被我踩在腳底下了第二個,向反對者示威這就是敢和我作對的下場\n請問周秘書長你知道你今天為什麼被火速傳召到這邊來報告嗎我不太理解不過基於這個幕僚貴會主席要求我們一定要依照規定一定要來備選秘書長是謙謙君子所以主席傳召你就來\n我告訴你,你就是民進黨用大法官斬首立法院拿出來示威示眾的那顆人頭今天找你來就是來示威的所以我要說辛苦周秘書長被民進黨拿來當作耀武揚威的人頭接下來我要特別向我們的主席致敬\n我們今天的中嘉賓主席真的是讓我開了眼界活生生把天龍八部裡面丁春秋新宿派的場景搬到司法法制委員會我佩服他為我們新宿黨的掌門人清德老仙搭了一場馬屁大會的場就算了我們新宿黨還自帶BGM自帶背景音樂自帶背景的NPC\n來陪你們耀武揚威啊把我們周秘書長找來齁要消守市眾的同時還找兩個包新宿黨在市縣辯護的律師來這邊當BGM和新宿黨立委吳思瑤跟鍾嘉斌一搭一唱一起大合唱啊好悅耳啊\n我耳邊響起一陣口號啦清德老先 法力無邊神通廣大 法駕國會\n聽了我都好想要加入新宿黨阿不知道現在來得及找人來推薦一下啦看到我們宗嘉賓這麼賣力的演出齁我真的是覺得他跟天龍八部那個新宿派大弟子大師兄宅興子齁有87%的相似阿佩服他我也為我們清德老先感到欣慰\n我真的很想在立法院提案端請清德老先把鍾嘉斌封為大弟子讓我們所有新宿黨的立委好好學習鍾嘉斌拍馬屁的本領我又跟各位講為什麼我這樣說當然啦主席要排案怎麼排案是主席的事\n主席也不要牽托吳宗憲吳宗憲上次請來的律師他們希望針對公眾案件表達意見也只是列席而已沒有上台這邊開始大吹法螺啦幫民進黨大吹法螺啦今天過來找那邊幹嘛呢就是要幫忙大吹法螺啊因為最簡單的問題\n今天在國會裡面如果真的是一個公正的主席以及要找幫行政院事先辯護的BGM上來事先辯護的律師上來那你為什麼不找今天認為國會改革是合憲的所謂的律師跟教授上來\n葉靖遠律師你找了沒林石猛律師你找了沒展貴美教授你找了沒他們都是認為今天國會改革合憲的你找兩個人你其中一個讓今天另外一方的意見在我們立法院的這個場域就像公聽會公聽會如果辦的話絕對不是找單方單照啦找單方單照就是你心虛嘛\n接下來我就有一些關於憲法判決的問題要就教於周秘書長\n這一次大法官幾乎把所有上個會期國會改革的法案包括聽證調查包括對官員說謊刻意處罰的這些條文都宣布為違憲當然反盪式忠貞也看到了一些大法官有不同的意見我希望就教一下周秘書長三森林大法官說他說總統的國情報告\n總統的就職跟國慶演說也沒有在憲法明文規定啊但已經成為目前的慣例因此在總統到立法院國情報告在不強制的情況下只針對施行細節入法因屬合憲判定違憲會讓大法官陷入政治紛爭我不知道秘書長你認不認同這句話\n我拜讀過,我是認為他有他的一個對這一個的看法是,我很佩服我可以再補充一句嗎?因為權力婚例,我是整個拜讀過的裡面我對於朱道法官、朱惠美道法官所提的一個概念是我長期在自己也教書我是一個權力婚例還要包括制服\n這check and maintenance是任何人都會理解的一個事情沒錯所以我在朱鎂梅大法官在引述的時候我代讀以後我是非常讚佩他\n我覺得秘書長你講的也是我心裡的話朱飛美大法官說針對公務人員於調查聽證人事同意權審查所提供的資料必須本允適時否則會影響公共利益若違反時適當處罰可以維護行政權的行使秘書長你覺得這句話怎麼樣就是你剛剛講的很認同啊不是我要跟秘書長說\n我今天為大法官感到可悲的是我必須說朱富美大法官這句話簡直就是常識啊就是小時候你的老師你的爸爸媽媽告訴你不要說謊今天竟然我們的大法官說針對在國會說謊的官員處罰是違憲的\n我跟你講我真的覺得不可思議啦所以我一來佩服朱費爾大法官的他的這個所謂的不同意的意見書另外一方面我真的也是感到真的是竟然可以到這麼簡單的事情我們大法官這一次留下兩個世界典範啦第一個就是說謊官員就是高風亮節的新數黨代表啦\n只要說謊官員今天在國會上勇於說謊就是我們新宿黨的表率啊不就這個意思從今而後官員不說謊就是失職啊大法官幫你開了一條大紅毯啊大紅地毯啊歡迎上來說謊啊不就這個意思一說謊免責啊說謊沒事啊\n另外我也看到包括我們這個詹森林大法官也講啊質詢跟提供文件具有相同意義是讓立法院在監督時有更多的依據不應該將被質詢人提供文件的調查行為視為違憲我真的覺得很痛苦的原因是什麼詹森林大法官這段話\n真的也不是什麼高深莫測的一些法律監視的用語就是大白話連這麼簡單的事情大法官今天可以違背公眾的一個想法來宣布違憲\n你以為就是今天我很欣賞也佩服才是有大法官今天不願同流合污啊勇敢做出不同意見書但為什麼這些大法官這樣講呢我接下來就下一個來針對國際的狀況來就教於秘書長各國官員在國會虛偽陳述很多都是有罰則的因為國會是個憲政機關的神聖殿堂\n他是代表人民來監督執政者如果在國會裡面今天做虛偽陳述的話他侮辱的不是國會他侮辱的是人民嘛 對不對我秘書長沒錯嘛好我想請教英國號的規定是任何在國會做出虛假陳述誤導行政監察或使行使調查權之人適同藐視法庭相應職責最高監禁兩年或病科罰金\n請問英國這個規定是反民主的規定嗎?沒有的,我要跟羅委員報告法制局針對這個裡面因為為了我寫裡面先進國家有先例吧有的一些立法例所以我想說大概委員會質疑這裡引用的英國、德國、法國、美國、日本、韓國的相關法規都有\n美國也是以偽證罪起訴最高監禁5年我想問我們秘書長美國的規定反民主嗎?\n說謊官員要處罰是反民主的嗎?是啊!然後日本也是啊!日本是虛偽陳述可以處3月以上10年以下有期徒刑韓國宣誓之證人或鑑定人做虛偽陳述一年以上10年以下有期徒刑那我想請問日本韓國這些規定都是反民主的嗎?顯然不是啊!\n這些都是民主國家 其實我跟秘書長講 我真的也懂了一件事情我們講民主國家來去談這件事情 大法官都荒謬我特地是覺得是羞辱民主國家這四個字官員不該在國會說謊 簡直不用用民主原則來講啦這叫做人做事的基本道理都可以講啦\n你這天才的新宿黨民進黨這個新宿黨你就可以找得到說新宿黨的BGM上來可以幫你辯護說官員可以說謊你國會處罰官員說謊是大不敬啊怎麼會有這種黨啊你要泯滅自己從小到大是非價值判斷到什麼程度你才有辦法做出這樣的一個宣誓啊\n所以真的全部加入新宿派好了那清德真的直接公布說你就是丁春秋然後宗家兵當宅新子當大弟子最適合每天就開始清德老先法力無邊吹下去就有一天大皇帝啦然後接下來我們來看齁一樣啊這高市長說謊官員啊違反聽證調查的一些罰則不管是英國、德國、法國、韓國\n都有吧?都有罰則吧?我上次大概在6案執行的時候我們法處局有後會對於這一部分有做一個相當大的資料給各位看小米算你那份資料有給大家幫助很大不會讓說今天台灣民眾變成是民進黨蒙蔽下井底之蛙啦能夠讓他看看全世界國家怎麼規定所以才能夠顯現出今天大法官的荒謬\n就是其他國家都不是這樣做的當然我們現在國會要這麼做大法官竟然說違憲更可恥的是什麼我跟秘書長說來我想請教一下你以為只有這些其他的國家有這些規定嗎\n我們的民進黨的林佳龍當立委的時候他也曾經做過虛偽陳述執行文件調譽公聽會以為虛偽陳述或提出內容虛偽不實要處一年以下有期徒刑科一百萬以下罰金請問林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?是憲政獨龍嗎?他提這個是反民主反憲政是違憲的嗎?林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?還是憲政獨龍?\n民進黨在2016年的所謂的這個國會改革版本裡面也針對虛偽陳述有提出行政處罰的規定這個政黨完全就是怎麼樣呢為了擴張自己權力當一個貪婪的權力的怪獸\n他今天不只吃掉全世界的民主國家的先令他連以前的前輩以前的民進黨自己都不放過全部打臉最後我真的是語重心長我知道今天秘書長為什麼要找你來啦民進黨的慣性就這樣大法官變我手中的屠龍刀必逆天下我斬了你立法院的手跟腳\n你以為這樣就夠了沒有啦以我大民進黨的風範我今天當然要召開一個報告把立法院被砍斷的手腳放到桌上啊大家看看啊就把周秘書長你叫來就讓大家看看我民進黨的威風啊大法官任我驅策唯我除狗啊帥啊民進黨啊威啊民進黨啊就是展現威風就這麼簡單\n今天這場報告坦白講,我也不認為有太大意義,原因是什麼?因為只有一個最重要的意義,就是讓民進黨來耍威風啊!還找兩個BGM來上來開始吹法螺啊!不然鄒家斌為什麼?主席先不要站起來,你剛剛多講三分鐘,我要示範一下。我會講足你那三分鐘,你剛剛有多講三分鐘,你自己當主席有多講。我就要回頭講啊!\n如果中嘉賓真的有稍微一點點點點一根毛的公正今天坐在底下就不會只有兩個BGM啦坐在底下就會有葉慶元、展櫃美或者是林時猛你有沒有邀請?就這麼簡單啊你讓兩兆的意見都能夠公平公正地在...我問一次會議詢問嗎?不要...你待會有時間...你要問我啊!你說你上會議會議詢問我來問你啦!會議詢問!\n你有沒有邀請葉慶元?我們本週式的公聽會有請三個黨員同意後我們會來邀請你有沒有在今天正常邀請葉慶元?有還是沒有?剛剛你只問今天不是公聽會今天不是公聽會今天是委員會沒有嘛今天是專報沒有嘛我不管是公聽會跟專報我剛剛講過啊鍾佳冰有一根毛的公正性你都會找不同意見兩方來啦\n你為什麼不找就心虛嘛你還有會議詢問我怕會議詢問羞辱你應該又答不出來你有沒有邀請掌櫃妹今天 我不是講宮廷委宮廷委怎麼邀請 你一定邀兩趙啦你的三分鐘快到了沒關係沒關係 會議詢問時間暫停沒有沒有暫停的啦沒有 會議詢問你在超時詢問當中我跟妳回答太多 今天不是端報你上次會議詢問四次了我都幫你算喔通通沒佔時間喔\n那謝謝秘書長 也謝謝羅委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.536 --> 00:26.570\n主席有請周秘書長秘書長你知道封建時代的暴君在打敗政敵以後最喜歡做什麼事情嗎?\n\n00:30.404 --> 00:58.714\n他喜歡把政敵的首級掛在市場、廣場上去展示那為什麼要把敵人的首級掛在廣場上去示眾呢?為什麼?代表他的這個權威嗎?非常好,代表他的權威,兩個意義我是勝利者,你被我踩在腳底下了第二個,向反對者示威這就是敢和我作對的下場\n\n01:00.838 --> 01:23.299\n請問周秘書長你知道你今天為什麼被火速傳召到這邊來報告嗎我不太理解不過基於這個幕僚貴會主席要求我們一定要依照規定一定要來備選秘書長是謙謙君子所以主席傳召你就來\n\n01:24.557 --> 01:47.240\n我告訴你,你就是民進黨用大法官斬首立法院拿出來示威示眾的那顆人頭今天找你來就是來示威的所以我要說辛苦周秘書長被民進黨拿來當作耀武揚威的人頭接下來我要特別向我們的主席致敬\n\n01:48.444 --> 02:16.338\n我們今天的中嘉賓主席真的是讓我開了眼界活生生把天龍八部裡面丁春秋新宿派的場景搬到司法法制委員會我佩服他為我們新宿黨的掌門人清德老仙搭了一場馬屁大會的場就算了我們新宿黨還自帶BGM自帶背景音樂自帶背景的NPC\n\n02:17.939 --> 02:38.696\n來陪你們耀武揚威啊把我們周秘書長找來齁要消守市眾的同時還找兩個包新宿黨在市縣辯護的律師來這邊當BGM和新宿黨立委吳思瑤跟鍾嘉斌一搭一唱一起大合唱啊好悅耳啊\n\n02:39.813 --> 02:46.669\n我耳邊響起一陣口號啦清德老先法力無邊神通廣大法駕國會\n\n02:49.205 --> 03:09.533\n聽了我都好想要加入新宿黨阿不知道現在來得及找人來推薦一下啦看到我們宗嘉賓這麼賣力的演出齁我真的是覺得他跟天龍八部那個新宿派大弟子大師兄宅興子齁有87%的相似阿佩服他我也為我們清德老先感到欣慰\n\n03:10.473 --> 03:28.760\n我真的很想在立法院提案端請清德老先把鍾嘉斌封為大弟子讓我們所有新宿黨的立委好好學習鍾嘉斌拍馬屁的本領我又跟各位講為什麼我這樣說當然啦主席要排案怎麼排案是主席的事\n\n03:29.761 --> 03:45.795\n主席也不要牽托吳宗憲吳宗憲上次請來的律師他們希望針對公眾案件表達意見也只是列席而已沒有上台這邊開始大吹法螺啦幫民進黨大吹法螺啦今天過來找那邊幹嘛呢就是要幫忙大吹法螺啊因為最簡單的問題\n\n03:53.424 --> 04:11.896\n今天在國會裡面如果真的是一個公正的主席以及要找幫行政院事先辯護的BGM上來事先辯護的律師上來那你為什麼不找今天認為國會改革是合憲的所謂的律師跟教授上來\n\n04:13.320 --> 04:37.517\n葉靖遠律師你找了沒林石猛律師你找了沒展貴美教授你找了沒他們都是認為今天國會改革合憲的你找兩個人你其中一個讓今天另外一方的意見在我們立法院的這個場域就像公聽會公聽會如果辦的話絕對不是找單方單照啦找單方單照就是你心虛嘛\n\n04:41.843 --> 04:42.824\n接下來我就有一些關於憲法判決的問題要就教於周秘書長\n\n05:10.748 --> 05:37.206\n這一次大法官幾乎把所有上個會期國會改革的法案包括聽證調查包括對官員說謊刻意處罰的這些條文都宣布為違憲當然反盪式忠貞也看到了一些大法官有不同的意見我希望就教一下周秘書長三森林大法官說他說總統的國情報告\n\n05:41.094 --> 06:02.544\n總統的就職跟國慶演說也沒有在憲法明文規定啊但已經成為目前的慣例因此在總統到立法院國情報告在不強制的情況下只針對施行細節入法因屬合憲判定違憲會讓大法官陷入政治紛爭我不知道秘書長你認不認同這句話\n\n06:03.304 --> 06:29.360\n我拜讀過,我是認為他有他的一個對這一個的看法是,我很佩服我可以再補充一句嗎?因為權力婚例,我是整個拜讀過的裡面我對於朱道法官、朱惠美道法官所提的一個概念是我長期在自己也教書我是一個權力婚例還要包括制服\n\n06:30.040 --> 06:40.682\n這checkandmaintenance是任何人都會理解的一個事情沒錯所以我在朱鎂梅大法官在引述的時候我代讀以後我是非常讚佩他\n\n06:41.328 --> 07:02.454\n我覺得秘書長你講的也是我心裡的話朱飛美大法官說針對公務人員於調查聽證人事同意權審查所提供的資料必須本允適時否則會影響公共利益若違反時適當處罰可以維護行政權的行使秘書長你覺得這句話怎麼樣就是你剛剛講的很認同啊不是我要跟秘書長說\n\n07:10.509 --> 07:24.597\n我今天為大法官感到可悲的是我必須說朱富美大法官這句話簡直就是常識啊就是小時候你的老師你的爸爸媽媽告訴你不要說謊今天竟然我們的大法官說針對在國會說謊的官員處罰是違憲的\n\n07:33.277 --> 07:57.179\n我跟你講我真的覺得不可思議啦所以我一來佩服朱費爾大法官的他的這個所謂的不同意的意見書另外一方面我真的也是感到真的是竟然可以到這麼簡單的事情我們大法官這一次留下兩個世界典範啦第一個就是說謊官員就是高風亮節的新數黨代表啦\n\n07:58.052 --> 08:19.088\n只要說謊官員今天在國會上勇於說謊就是我們新宿黨的表率啊不就這個意思從今而後官員不說謊就是失職啊大法官幫你開了一條大紅毯啊大紅地毯啊歡迎上來說謊啊不就這個意思一說謊免責啊說謊沒事啊\n\n08:22.145 --> 08:45.702\n另外我也看到包括我們這個詹森林大法官也講啊質詢跟提供文件具有相同意義是讓立法院在監督時有更多的依據不應該將被質詢人提供文件的調查行為視為違憲我真的覺得很痛苦的原因是什麼詹森林大法官這段話\n\n08:47.233 --> 08:53.463\n真的也不是什麼高深莫測的一些法律監視的用語就是大白話連這麼簡單的事情大法官今天可以違背公眾的一個想法來宣布違憲\n\n09:02.793 --> 09:17.383\n你以為就是今天我很欣賞也佩服才是有大法官今天不願同流合污啊勇敢做出不同意見書但為什麼這些大法官這樣講呢我接下來就下一個來針對國際的狀況來就教於秘書長各國官員在國會虛偽陳述很多都是有罰則的因為國會是個憲政機關的神聖殿堂\n\n09:29.844 --> 09:58.176\n他是代表人民來監督執政者如果在國會裡面今天做虛偽陳述的話他侮辱的不是國會他侮辱的是人民嘛對不對我秘書長沒錯嘛好我想請教英國號的規定是任何在國會做出虛假陳述誤導行政監察或使行使調查權之人適同藐視法庭相應職責最高監禁兩年或病科罰金\n\n09:59.556 --> 10:24.472\n請問英國這個規定是反民主的規定嗎?沒有的,我要跟羅委員報告法制局針對這個裡面因為為了我寫裡面先進國家有先例吧有的一些立法例所以我想說大概委員會質疑這裡引用的英國、德國、法國、美國、日本、韓國的相關法規都有\n\n10:25.853 --> 10:27.894\n美國也是以偽證罪起訴最高監禁5年我想問我們秘書長美國的規定反民主嗎?\n\n10:42.263 --> 11:05.959\n說謊官員要處罰是反民主的嗎?是啊!然後日本也是啊!日本是虛偽陳述可以處3月以上10年以下有期徒刑韓國宣誓之證人或鑑定人做虛偽陳述一年以上10年以下有期徒刑那我想請問日本韓國這些規定都是反民主的嗎?顯然不是啊!\n\n11:07.233 --> 11:30.825\n這些都是民主國家其實我跟秘書長講我真的也懂了一件事情我們講民主國家來去談這件事情大法官都荒謬我特地是覺得是羞辱民主國家這四個字官員不該在國會說謊簡直不用用民主原則來講啦這叫做人做事的基本道理都可以講啦\n\n11:32.776 --> 11:48.325\n你這天才的新宿黨民進黨這個新宿黨你就可以找得到說新宿黨的BGM上來可以幫你辯護說官員可以說謊你國會處罰官員說謊是大不敬啊怎麼會有這種黨啊你要泯滅自己從小到大是非價值判斷到什麼程度你才有辦法做出這樣的一個宣誓啊\n\n11:58.874 --> 12:17.397\n所以真的全部加入新宿派好了那清德真的直接公布說你就是丁春秋然後宗家兵當宅新子當大弟子最適合每天就開始清德老先法力無邊吹下去就有一天大皇帝啦然後接下來我們來看齁一樣啊這高市長說謊官員啊違反聽證調查的一些罰則不管是英國、德國、法國、韓國\n\n12:28.663 --> 12:57.079\n都有吧?都有罰則吧?我上次大概在6案執行的時候我們法處局有後會對於這一部分有做一個相當大的資料給各位看小米算你那份資料有給大家幫助很大不會讓說今天台灣民眾變成是民進黨蒙蔽下井底之蛙啦能夠讓他看看全世界國家怎麼規定所以才能夠顯現出今天大法官的荒謬\n\n12:59.480 --> 13:01.503\n就是其他國家都不是這樣做的當然我們現在國會要這麼做大法官竟然說違憲更可恥的是什麼我跟秘書長說來我想請教一下你以為只有這些其他的國家有這些規定嗎\n\n13:18.410 --> 13:43.892\n我們的民進黨的林佳龍當立委的時候他也曾經做過虛偽陳述執行文件調譽公聽會以為虛偽陳述或提出內容虛偽不實要處一年以下有期徒刑科一百萬以下罰金請問林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?是憲政獨龍嗎?他提這個是反民主反憲政是違憲的嗎?林佳龍是憲政獨流嗎?還是憲政獨龍?\n\n13:46.977 --> 13:49.739\n民進黨在2016年的所謂的這個國會改革版本裡面也針對虛偽陳述有提出行政處罰的規定這個政黨完全就是怎麼樣呢為了擴張自己權力當一個貪婪的權力的怪獸\n\n14:14.639 --> 14:39.868\n他今天不只吃掉全世界的民主國家的先令他連以前的前輩以前的民進黨自己都不放過全部打臉最後我真的是語重心長我知道今天秘書長為什麼要找你來啦民進黨的慣性就這樣大法官變我手中的屠龍刀必逆天下我斬了你立法院的手跟腳\n\n14:41.360 --> 14:52.584\n你以為這樣就夠了沒有啦以我大民進黨的風範我今天當然要召開一個報告把立法院被砍斷的手腳放到桌上啊大家看看啊就把周秘書長你叫來就讓大家看看我民進黨的威風啊大法官任我驅策唯我除狗啊帥啊民進黨啊威啊民進黨啊就是展現威風就這麼簡單\n\n15:11.482 --> 15:34.396\n今天這場報告坦白講,我也不認為有太大意義,原因是什麼?因為只有一個最重要的意義,就是讓民進黨來耍威風啊!還找兩個BGM來上來開始吹法螺啊!不然鄒家斌為什麼?主席先不要站起來,你剛剛多講三分鐘,我要示範一下。我會講足你那三分鐘,你剛剛有多講三分鐘,你自己當主席有多講。我就要回頭講啊!\n\n15:36.516 --> 15:45.539\n如果中嘉賓真的有稍微一點點點點一根毛的公正今天坐在底下就不會只有兩個BGM啦坐在底下就會有葉慶元、展櫃美或者是林時猛你有沒有邀請?就這麼簡單啊你讓兩兆的意見都能夠公平公正地在...我問一次會議詢問嗎?不要...你待會有時間...你要問我啊!你說你上會議會議詢問我來問你啦!會議詢問!\n\n16:06.789 --> 16:32.711\n你有沒有邀請葉慶元?我們本週式的公聽會有請三個黨員同意後我們會來邀請你有沒有在今天正常邀請葉慶元?有還是沒有?剛剛你只問今天不是公聽會今天不是公聽會今天是委員會沒有嘛今天是專報沒有嘛我不管是公聽會跟專報我剛剛講過啊鍾佳冰有一根毛的公正性你都會找不同意見兩方來啦\n\n16:34.639 --> 17:00.224\n你為什麼不找就心虛嘛你還有會議詢問我怕會議詢問羞辱你應該又答不出來你有沒有邀請掌櫃妹今天我不是講宮廷委宮廷委怎麼邀請你一定邀兩趙啦你的三分鐘快到了沒關係沒關係會議詢問時間暫停沒有沒有暫停的啦沒有會議詢問你在超時詢問當中我跟妳回答太多今天不是端報你上次會議詢問四次了我都幫你算喔通通沒佔時間喔\n\n17:01.744 --> 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對不對我秘書長沒錯嘛好我想請教英國號的規定是任何在國會做出虛假陳述誤導行政監察或使行使調查權之人適同藐視法庭相應職責最高監禁兩年或病科罰金"},{"start":599.556,"end":624.472,"text":"請問英國這個規定是反民主的規定嗎?沒有的,我要跟羅委員報告法制局針對這個裡面因為為了我寫裡面先進國家有先例吧有的一些立法例所以我想說大概委員會質疑這裡引用的英國、德國、法國、美國、日本、韓國的相關法規都有"},{"start":625.853,"end":627.894,"text":"美國也是以偽證罪起訴最高監禁5年我想問我們秘書長美國的規定反民主嗎?"},{"start":642.263,"end":665.959,"text":"說謊官員要處罰是反民主的嗎?是啊!然後日本也是啊!日本是虛偽陳述可以處3月以上10年以下有期徒刑韓國宣誓之證人或鑑定人做虛偽陳述一年以上10年以下有期徒刑那我想請問日本韓國這些規定都是反民主的嗎?顯然不是啊!"},{"start":667.233,"end":690.825,"text":"這些都是民主國家 其實我跟秘書長講 我真的也懂了一件事情我們講民主國家來去談這件事情 大法官都荒謬我特地是覺得是羞辱民主國家這四個字官員不該在國會說謊 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