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00:04:33,169\n當時我聽了確實我們的中華民國憲法我們的立法院的前者確實不如歐美國家這個是我學生的時候幾十年前民國64年所聽到的李鴻喜教授的這樣的一個指導\n\n10\n00:04:35,297 --> 00:04:55,413\n結果現在因為這一次的憲法的判決讓立法院真正成為行政院的立法局我們來看按照相關現行的法例威權統治時期\n\n11\n00:04:59,645 --> 00:05:24,825\n是到81年的11月對不對從34年到81年11月你看看當時被認為是威權統治時期的這個81年4月17號就業服務法第24條明定三包這兩個字要改為原住民\n\n12\n00:05:26,878 --> 00:05:55,933\n三包這兩個字改為原住民中華民國憲法徵修條文將三包修正為原住民是民國83年民國83年如果按照現在的大法官違憲但是當時的行政院尊重立法權立法權完全尊重立法權\n\n13\n00:05:57,443 --> 00:06:22,689\n所以說這樣的一個情形之下我們真的是非常非常的遺憾好我們看我們就舉最近的例子為什麼我會我提到這個危權、極權、霸權不是這次憲法判決我們的原住民就開始在討論這個憲法判決之前\n\n14\n00:06:25,387 --> 00:06:45,059\n是不是要討論現在的行政院到底是回到威權極權霸權的政府嗎?為什麼會這樣討論呢?是因為嚴重於保留地禁法補償條例第6條經過立法院三讀通過調高這個禁法補償的費用\n\n15\n00:06:54,665 --> 00:07:17,020\n6萬塊而這個調高並不是很高啊為什麼民國82年進法補償臺灣省政府國民政府時代喔臺灣省政府威權統治時代喔臺灣省政府以每公頃2萬塊民國82年喔30幾年之後\n\n16\n00:07:24,141 --> 00:07:48,022\n也不過調高6萬塊按照物價指數哪算呢我們的土地我們就以那個日月潭來看我們的土地這個蓋了很多飯店對不對但是我們的土地原住民保留地什麼都不能啊只能種樹啊\n\n17\n00:07:51,169 --> 00:08:16,543\n他們的土地非原住民的土地可以蓋大飯店我們的土地不可以這哪是6萬塊可以去做比較的所以法律通過了行政院不編預算不編預算不編主委的預算所以我們才會原住民社會才會討論怎麼會是到底是威權還是比權還是霸權政府\n\n18\n00:08:18,208 --> 00:08:42,038\n所以我舉這個例子而且立法院也做過決議不可以違法凍資原住民族綜合發展基金這個立法院第9屆第2會期的決議是民進黨占絕對多數的時候做的決議但是\n\n19\n00:08:43,925 --> 00:09:03,591\n行政院就是照樣違法之用所以從這個憲法判決到現在真的是難以真的是困境真的是困境\n\n20\n00:09:05,222 --> 00:09:21,579\n立法委員我們立法委員啊當然秘書長你是幕僚啊幕僚長啊所以我也我也不請你回應啊因為我剛有講請你來其實是很為難你了好謝謝謝謝鄭委員謝謝鍾秘書長接下來有請李委員昆澤\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16258\t32721\t主席、各位委員其實我很不忍心請秘書長不過還是要請你來請座秘書長因為今天的主題啊113年憲判字第9號判決國會行使職權之困境與未來專題報告就立法院而言國會行使職權\n46274\t74805\t的困境與未來是我們立法委員才可以提案秘書長你們只是幕僚單位所以這個部分請你來專題報告也是很為難然後也沒有找司法院來我們來最起碼讓他聽一聽能夠轉達給大法官也很可惜\n76277\t99507\t好今天有來了這個律師也讓律師聽一聽這個民進黨的前立委林佐水他特別提到侏儒國會變矮子國會台灣通過的改革法案也就是之前的\n101928\t129977\t國會改革法案國會前例比起美國國會小到不行何來變成高度向立法院傾斜的體制頂多從侏儒國會升級為矮子國會所以他現在啊現在被判違憲之後又回到侏儒國會在這樣的一個困境\n131141\t159476\t真的是困境剛剛有提到我就講一個例子好了來立法院備詢的不是只有政務官還有事務官嘛對不對事務官有政治責任嗎所以顯然是大法官都不知道事務官常常來代表主任委員代表政務次長\n161501\t180326\t來,都是事務官啊,甚至署長來啊,都是事務官啊,他可以稀微陳述,沒有,只能負政治責任,他就沒有政治責任可言。所以顯然是一個,不了解嘛,顯然是脫離現實太遠了,顯然是脫離實務太遠。\n187162\t213558\t大法官這次的大法官讓中華民國憲政體制總統府行政院回到危權極權極權兩個極霸權的政府過去我當學生的時候我的老師\n215922\t243764\t李鴻熙教授他在教憲法的時候上課的時候都會擠到歐美的憲法日本的憲法的一個相關的這些憲法的規定以及五權分立然後立法前的一個相關的這些前者\n246159\t273169\t當時我聽了確實我們的中華民國憲法我們的立法院的前者確實不如歐美國家這個是我學生的時候幾十年前民國64年所聽到的李鴻喜教授的這樣的一個指導\n275297\t295413\t結果現在因為這一次的憲法的判決讓立法院真正成為行政院的立法局我們來看按照相關現行的法例威權統治時期\n299645\t324825\t是到81年的11月對不對從34年到81年11月你看看當時被認為是威權統治時期的這個81年4月17號就業服務法第24條明定三包這兩個字要改為原住民\n326878\t355933\t三包這兩個字改為原住民中華民國憲法徵修條文將三包修正為原住民是民國83年民國83年如果按照現在的大法官違憲但是當時的行政院尊重立法權立法權完全尊重立法權\n357443\t382689\t所以說這樣的一個情形之下我們真的是非常非常的遺憾好 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我們就舉最近的例子為什麼我會我提到這個危權、極權、霸權不是這次憲法判決我們的原住民就開始在討論這個憲法判決之前\n385387\t405059\t是不是要討論現在的行政院到底是回到威權極權霸權的政府嗎?為什麼會這樣討論呢?是因為嚴重於保留地禁法補償條例第6條經過立法院三讀通過調高這個禁法補償的費用\n414665\t437020\t6萬塊而這個調高並不是很高啊為什麼民國82年進法補償臺灣省政府國民政府時代喔臺灣省政府威權統治時代喔臺灣省政府以每公頃2萬塊民國82年喔30幾年之後\n444141\t468022\t也不過調高6萬塊按照物價指數哪算呢我們的土地我們就以那個日月潭來看我們的土地這個蓋了很多飯店對不對但是我們的土地原住民保留地什麼都不能啊只能種樹啊\n471169\t496543\t他們的土地非原住民的土地可以蓋大飯店我們的土地不可以這哪是6萬塊可以去做比較的所以法律通過了行政院不編預算不編預算不編主委的預算所以我們才會原住民社會才會討論怎麼會是到底是威權還是比權還是霸權政府\n498208\t522038\t所以我舉這個例子而且立法院也做過決議不可以違法凍資原住民族綜合發展基金這個立法院第9屆第2會期的決議是民進黨占絕對多數的時候做的決議但是\n523925\t543591\t行政院就是照樣違法之用所以從這個憲法判決到現在真的是難以真的是困境真的是困境\n545222\t561579\t立法委員我們立法委員啊當然秘書長你是幕僚啊幕僚長啊所以我也我也不請你回應啊因為我剛有講請你來其實是很為難你了好謝謝謝謝鄭委員謝謝鍾秘書長接下來有請李委員昆澤\n","txt":"主席、各位委員其實我很不忍心請秘書長不過還是要請你來請座秘書長因為今天的主題啊113年憲判字第9號判決國會行使職權之困境與未來專題報告就立法院而言國會行使職權\n的困境與未來是我們立法委員才可以提案秘書長你們只是幕僚單位所以這個部分請你來專題報告也是很為難然後也沒有找司法院來我們來最起碼讓他聽一聽能夠轉達給大法官也很可惜\n好今天有來了這個律師也讓律師聽一聽這個民進黨的前立委林佐水他特別提到侏儒國會變矮子國會台灣通過的改革法案也就是之前的\n國會改革法案國會前例比起美國國會小到不行何來變成高度向立法院傾斜的體制頂多從侏儒國會升級為矮子國會所以他現在啊現在被判違憲之後又回到侏儒國會在這樣的一個困境\n真的是困境剛剛有提到我就講一個例子好了來立法院備詢的不是只有政務官還有事務官嘛對不對事務官有政治責任嗎所以顯然是大法官都不知道事務官常常來代表主任委員代表政務次長\n來,都是事務官啊,甚至署長來啊,都是事務官啊,他可以稀微陳述,沒有,只能負政治責任,他就沒有政治責任可言。所以顯然是一個,不了解嘛,顯然是脫離現實太遠了,顯然是脫離實務太遠。\n大法官這次的大法官讓中華民國憲政體制總統府行政院回到危權極權極權兩個極霸權的政府過去我當學生的時候我的老師\n李鴻熙教授他在教憲法的時候上課的時候都會擠到歐美的憲法日本的憲法的一個相關的這些憲法的規定以及五權分立然後立法前的一個相關的這些前者\n當時我聽了確實我們的中華民國憲法我們的立法院的前者確實不如歐美國家這個是我學生的時候幾十年前民國64年所聽到的李鴻喜教授的這樣的一個指導\n結果現在因為這一次的憲法的判決讓立法院真正成為行政院的立法局我們來看按照相關現行的法例威權統治時期\n是到81年的11月對不對從34年到81年11月你看看當時被認為是威權統治時期的這個81年4月17號就業服務法第24條明定三包這兩個字要改為原住民\n三包這兩個字改為原住民中華民國憲法徵修條文將三包修正為原住民是民國83年民國83年如果按照現在的大法官違憲但是當時的行政院尊重立法權立法權完全尊重立法權\n所以說這樣的一個情形之下我們真的是非常非常的遺憾好 我們看 我們就舉最近的例子為什麼我會我提到這個危權、極權、霸權不是這次憲法判決我們的原住民就開始在討論這個憲法判決之前\n是不是要討論現在的行政院到底是回到威權極權霸權的政府嗎?為什麼會這樣討論呢?是因為嚴重於保留地禁法補償條例第6條經過立法院三讀通過調高這個禁法補償的費用\n6萬塊而這個調高並不是很高啊為什麼民國82年進法補償臺灣省政府國民政府時代喔臺灣省政府威權統治時代喔臺灣省政府以每公頃2萬塊民國82年喔30幾年之後\n也不過調高6萬塊按照物價指數哪算呢我們的土地我們就以那個日月潭來看我們的土地這個蓋了很多飯店對不對但是我們的土地原住民保留地什麼都不能啊只能種樹啊\n他們的土地非原住民的土地可以蓋大飯店我們的土地不可以這哪是6萬塊可以去做比較的所以法律通過了行政院不編預算不編預算不編主委的預算所以我們才會原住民社會才會討論怎麼會是到底是威權還是比權還是霸權政府\n所以我舉這個例子而且立法院也做過決議不可以違法凍資原住民族綜合發展基金這個立法院第9屆第2會期的決議是民進黨占絕對多數的時候做的決議但是\n行政院就是照樣違法之用所以從這個憲法判決到現在真的是難以真的是困境真的是困境\n立法委員我們立法委員啊當然秘書長你是幕僚啊幕僚長啊所以我也我也不請你回應啊因為我剛有講請你來其實是很為難你了好謝謝謝謝鄭委員謝謝鍾秘書長接下來有請李委員昆澤\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.258 --> 00:32.721\n主席、各位委員其實我很不忍心請秘書長不過還是要請你來請座秘書長因為今天的主題啊113年憲判字第9號判決國會行使職權之困境與未來專題報告就立法院而言國會行使職權\n\n00:46.274 --> 01:14.805\n的困境與未來是我們立法委員才可以提案秘書長你們只是幕僚單位所以這個部分請你來專題報告也是很為難然後也沒有找司法院來我們來最起碼讓他聽一聽能夠轉達給大法官也很可惜\n\n01:16.277 --> 01:39.507\n好今天有來了這個律師也讓律師聽一聽這個民進黨的前立委林佐水他特別提到侏儒國會變矮子國會台灣通過的改革法案也就是之前的\n\n01:41.928 --> 02:09.977\n國會改革法案國會前例比起美國國會小到不行何來變成高度向立法院傾斜的體制頂多從侏儒國會升級為矮子國會所以他現在啊現在被判違憲之後又回到侏儒國會在這樣的一個困境\n\n02:11.141 --> 02:39.476\n真的是困境剛剛有提到我就講一個例子好了來立法院備詢的不是只有政務官還有事務官嘛對不對事務官有政治責任嗎所以顯然是大法官都不知道事務官常常來代表主任委員代表政務次長\n\n02:41.501 --> 03:00.326\n來,都是事務官啊,甚至署長來啊,都是事務官啊,他可以稀微陳述,沒有,只能負政治責任,他就沒有政治責任可言。所以顯然是一個,不了解嘛,顯然是脫離現實太遠了,顯然是脫離實務太遠。\n\n03:07.162 --> 03:33.558\n大法官這次的大法官讓中華民國憲政體制總統府行政院回到危權極權極權兩個極霸權的政府過去我當學生的時候我的老師\n\n03:35.922 --> 04:03.764\n李鴻熙教授他在教憲法的時候上課的時候都會擠到歐美的憲法日本的憲法的一個相關的這些憲法的規定以及五權分立然後立法前的一個相關的這些前者\n\n04:06.159 --> 04:33.169\n當時我聽了確實我們的中華民國憲法我們的立法院的前者確實不如歐美國家這個是我學生的時候幾十年前民國64年所聽到的李鴻喜教授的這樣的一個指導\n\n04:35.297 --> 04:55.413\n結果現在因為這一次的憲法的判決讓立法院真正成為行政院的立法局我們來看按照相關現行的法例威權統治時期\n\n04:59.645 --> 05:24.825\n是到81年的11月對不對從34年到81年11月你看看當時被認為是威權統治時期的這個81年4月17號就業服務法第24條明定三包這兩個字要改為原住民\n\n05:26.878 --> 05:55.933\n三包這兩個字改為原住民中華民國憲法徵修條文將三包修正為原住民是民國83年民國83年如果按照現在的大法官違憲但是當時的行政院尊重立法權立法權完全尊重立法權\n\n05:57.443 --> 06:22.689\n所以說這樣的一個情形之下我們真的是非常非常的遺憾好我們看我們就舉最近的例子為什麼我會我提到這個危權、極權、霸權不是這次憲法判決我們的原住民就開始在討論這個憲法判決之前\n\n06:25.387 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