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00:02:57,156\n這是第一點很重要所以這個申請的程序的簡化我每一次總質詢都會不斷的提醒第二個是在於我們現在限縮在要輔導他數位轉型要淨零碳排方向沒有錯但是呢請思考一點中小企業要投入這個要接受政府的補助的時候他自己也要再投資那在現在景氣還沒有完全回春看不到春天的情況之下一樣\n\n8\n00:02:58,036 --> 00:03:17,615\n臺議一句話青椒不夠要怎麼拔光所以呢如果政府的扶植那中小企業還要再投資那我們政府又如何在他的投資如果遇到困難遇到挑戰的時候政府又如何能夠再幫助他我覺得要方方面面都要想到才能夠真正的把這一百多億的\n\n9\n00:03:18,556 --> 00:03:37,810\n福祉預算可以把它擴大無限大真正幫助到中小企業微型產業的不管是數位轉型也好或是淨零碳排的目標也好這個我想包括環境部包括經濟部包括國發會都必須要跨部會在行政院的指導指教領導之下要能夠做得到是不是院長\n\n10\n00:03:39,659 --> 00:04:00,475\n是,如果是財務的部分我們透過中小企業的信保機制可以給他一些比較低利的貸款至於說如果是人員的訓練的話他要訓練足夠的AI人員我們希望用政府的力量來幫他訓練他應該不需要付出其他的這個費用、經費那這樣人員跟錢都有了我們還有其他的政策來協助他\n\n11\n00:04:00,835 --> 00:04:18,766\n委員長你講一個人人不是只有政府來幫他訓練是這個人也很難找今天報紙有講到全國大缺工也希望行政院能夠帶頭來開會來討論在面臨少子化的當下還有呢我們呢相關的不確定因素情況之下這個\n\n12\n00:04:20,487 --> 00:04:49,553\n不管是人才不管是員工這個各行各業都缺工我們對於缺工對於低薪帶引進外國的中階技術人員我們都一直在討論到禮拜天還在討論是所以我希望能夠更進一步的看到行政院在跨部會的這個合作之下我再強調一次我們對於中小企業微型企業的一個扶植是要能夠到位真正能夠落實來部長好像有事\n\n13\n00:04:49,933 --> 00:05:15,055\n這部分我想要謝謝這個委員在前幾天有指導過我們的這個產發署確實是如你所說的我們確實在執行上面有利有未待之處然後沒有很落實到最後的微型企業這一點我大概從那一天這個委員的指導之下我們大概非常清楚我們會改正這一部分一定要能夠落實到\n\n14\n00:05:15,796 --> 00:05:15,816\n委員長\n\n15\n00:05:44,016 --> 00:06:03,038\n我希望委員會來好好的去盤點這個執行的方式那這個中小企業跟微型企業呢最關心的就是政府的補助他們能不能受惠能不能感受到政府的支持跟溫暖因為我一直強調\n\n16\n00:06:04,139 --> 00:06:26,987\n半導體很重要臺灣的護國神山但是呢中小企業微型企業也很重要他是我們的護國群山他照顧了最多最多的臺灣在地的員工我們執行的人員會來請教這個這個委員的經驗希望委員能夠多多指導一下所以院長那中小企業微型企業呢關心的也是什麼民生的議題嗎電價\n\n17\n00:06:28,807 --> 00:06:29,649\n本院內政委員會提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。三\n\n18\n00:06:43,749 --> 00:07:07,399\n那前幾天賴總統也在開會的時候有說要強化電網韌性而且呢原來要求台電10年完成的一個計畫要能夠提早4年希望2028呢就能夠優先完成關鍵的區域跟民生相關的關鍵工程那院長請問我們政府現在準備的狀況如何那如何提早\n\n19\n00:07:07,779 --> 00:07:27,019\n好這個電網韌性的這部分原來編列的5600億的預算10年完成那現在我們希望他能縮短到2028年完成因為總統認為早一天完成對供電安全有幫忙所以要求早一天完成所以就責任經濟部我們希望他即使動用一些獎勵措施都沒有問題\n\n20\n00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:38,505\n早一天完成也可以早一天達到淨零碳排的我們的總目標啊對不對因為我們都知道來部長對不起這個我們現在目前已經都把那些表做出來\n\n21\n00:07:39,515 --> 00:08:00,804\n做表很簡單啊部長然後我要求這個做表了之後如何去執行到位才是重點執行中已經在執行中我們希望能夠這樣的做法在明年的上半年可以把所有的紅區全部把它消滅掉\n\n22\n00:08:19,685 --> 00:08:19,745\n主席\n\n23\n00:08:35,342 --> 00:09:02,480\n這個光是一般民生的申請用電啊那個排隊是白幹肉肉等啊有時候可能還要排到半年欸才等得到所以我現在在講那現在這樣子的一個總統要求提早四年要把這個電網韌性啊要把它提早完成建置因為這牽涉到什麼第一個穩定供電我們的電網輸配電的電網如果沒有改善的話我們現在老舊的電網它的輸配電啊是耗電的\n\n24\n00:09:03,507 --> 00:09:03,527\n。三\n\n25\n00:09:23,635 --> 00:09:43,454\n我們現在這個地區已經都知道在哪裡然後人力因為現在比較不足所以我們現在跟勞動部正在談如何快速把這一些橋外生或者是國外的這個移工進來但是他們要考照所以他必須要透過一個訓練然後去考照\n\n26\n00:09:43,954 --> 00:10:00,600\n先進來的人先做不需要技術性的工作但是一年以後當他考到執照以後他就可以做台電的這個下包去服務剛才委員所關心的所以是專案的我們現在一直在進行啊一直在進行\n\n27\n00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:21,871\n專案引進外籍移工、引進技術工、在台的橋外生我們希望也輔導他們能夠進入這個職場然後輔導他們的專業跟考照大家比較擔心說他會不會進到台電沒有,他是台電下包的公司所以不會侵犯到台電員工的福利\n\n28\n00:10:22,811 --> 00:10:48,352\n我們都考慮了很多這個也在這個院長的這個指導之下我們跟勞動部都已經談了已經快人都快引進來了但我剛剛問的這個是工的問題對不對那關鍵的區域呢民生的關鍵工程這個是總統指示的我們要提早的對對對這個我們還是進行既有的人力趕快的把那個紅區的部分\n\n29\n00:10:49,635 --> 00:11:08,220\n黨會解決那這個就是什麼人比較多的地方設備比較老舊的地方增加住屋比較多的地方都盤點出來了那如果都盤點出來那為什麼大家對台電的穩定公信還是不太有信心我所以我這裡還頁面上特別回復全民對台電的信心是我們的責任\n\n30\n00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:37,560\n是啦報告委員為什麼最近你看我的頁面上最近幾次喔雖然不是大規模停電但是呢小區域的停電還是不斷啊我們中小企業、微型產業不管是服務業也好或是一般民生用電也好關心的就是我剛剛講的停電如果是無預警的停電的話損失是誰在承擔是民眾在承擔是產業在承擔是業者在承擔而這些成本\n\n31\n00:11:39,620 --> 00:12:00,920\n我們有一些跟地方政府必須要再強化溝通啦有些國家高壓轉到這個中低壓的部分必須要設變壓站但是那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話他那個地方就是紅區了這個不是跟地方政府溝通這個是要跟在地居民溝通而且是要讓居民恢復對台電的信心以及認為\n\n32\n00:12:01,881 --> 00:12:06,045\n本院內政院議員提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。三\n\n33\n00:12:17,594 --> 00:12:36,089\n但是我們現在上來的我們台電的同仁的努力之下現在台北市政府撥給我們那個設置那個變電站所以這個是一個非常這個改變非常大的我會建議經濟部跟我們環境部跟衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作合作什麼第一個\n\n34\n00:12:38,011 --> 00:12:52,566\n盤點過去的設計規劃的預定地到底在現在有的已經是20年前的規劃不是現在的規劃那要重新去檢討這第一個第二個我們應該就這個我剛提醒的\n\n35\n00:12:53,467 --> 00:12:53,487\n。三\n\n36\n00:13:24,227 --> 00:13:49,342\n設置突破現在的盲點這個不是我們應該要積極的嗎?我們持續在進行我們一直都在進行這一方面事實上現在我們的同仁的努力改善了很多啦改善了很多這個如果說我們調資料來看過去的幾年到現在我們真的是改善非常多但是我剛剛講了跟衛生福利部跟環境部的這個共同的合作目前是沒有看到的\n\n37\n00:13:49,582 --> 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如果政府的扶植那中小企業還要再投資那我們政府又如何在他的投資如果遇到困難遇到挑戰的時候政府又如何能夠再幫助他我覺得要方方面面都要想到才能夠真正的把這一百多億的\n198556\t217810\t福祉預算可以把它擴大無限大真正幫助到中小企業微型產業的不管是數位轉型也好或是淨零碳排的目標也好這個我想包括環境部包括經濟部包括國發會都必須要跨部會在行政院的指導指教領導之下要能夠做得到是不是院長\n219659\t240475\t是,如果是財務的部分我們透過中小企業的信保機制可以給他一些比較低利的貸款至於說如果是人員的訓練的話他要訓練足夠的AI人員我們希望用政府的力量來幫他訓練他應該不需要付出其他的這個費用、經費那這樣人員跟錢都有了我們還有其他的政策來協助他\n240835\t258766\t委員長你講一個人人不是只有政府來幫他訓練是這個人也很難找今天報紙有講到全國大缺工也希望行政院能夠帶頭來開會來討論在面臨少子化的當下還有呢我們呢相關的不確定因素情況之下這個\n260487\t289553\t不管是人才不管是員工這個各行各業都缺工我們對於缺工對於低薪帶引進外國的中階技術人員我們都一直在討論到禮拜天還在討論是所以我希望能夠更進一步的看到行政院在跨部會的這個合作之下我再強調一次我們對於中小企業微型企業的一個扶植是要能夠到位真正能夠落實來部長好像有事\n289933\t315055\t這部分我想要謝謝這個委員在前幾天有指導過我們的這個產發署確實是如你所說的我們確實在執行上面有利有未待之處然後沒有很落實到最後的微型企業這一點我大概從那一天這個委員的指導之下我們大概非常清楚我們會改正這一部分一定要能夠落實到\n315796\t315816\t委員長\n344016\t363038\t我希望委員會來好好的去盤點這個執行的方式那這個中小企業跟微型企業呢最關心的就是政府的補助他們能不能受惠能不能感受到政府的支持跟溫暖因為我一直強調\n364139\t386987\t半導體很重要臺灣的護國神山但是呢中小企業微型企業也很重要他是我們的護國群山他照顧了最多最多的臺灣在地的員工我們執行的人員會來請教這個這個委員的經驗希望委員能夠多多指導一下所以院長那中小企業微型企業呢關心的也是什麼民生的議題嗎電價\n388807\t389649\t本院內政委員會提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三\n403749\t427399\t那前幾天賴總統也在開會的時候有說要強化電網韌性而且呢原來要求台電10年完成的一個計畫要能夠提早4年希望2028呢就能夠優先完成關鍵的區域跟民生相關的關鍵工程那院長請問我們政府現在準備的狀況如何那如何提早\n427779\t447019\t好這個電網韌性的這部分原來編列的5600億的預算10年完成那現在我們希望他能縮短到2028年完成因為總統認為早一天完成對供電安全有幫忙所以要求早一天完成所以就責任經濟部我們希望他即使動用一些獎勵措施都沒有問題\n447560\t458505\t早一天完成也可以早一天達到淨零碳排的我們的總目標啊 對不對因為我們都知道 來 部長對不起 這個我們現在目前已經都把那些表做出來\n459515\t480804\t做表很簡單啊部長然後我要求這個做表了之後如何去執行到位才是重點執行中已經在執行中我們希望能夠這樣的做法在明年的上半年可以把所有的紅區全部把它消滅掉\n480964\t499565\t響鐘\n499685\t499745\t主席\n515342\t542480\t這個光是一般民生的申請用電啊那個排隊是白幹肉肉等啊有時候可能還要排到半年欸才等得到所以我現在在講那現在這樣子的一個總統要求提早四年要把這個電網韌性啊要把它提早完成建置因為這牽涉到什麼第一個穩定供電我們的電網輸配電的電網如果沒有改善的話我們現在老舊的電網它的輸配電啊是耗電的\n543507\t543527\t。 三\n563635\t583454\t我們現在這個地區已經都知道在哪裡然後人力因為現在比較不足所以我們現在跟勞動部正在談如何快速把這一些橋外生或者是國外的這個移工進來但是他們要考照所以他必須要透過一個訓練然後去考照\n583954\t600600\t先進來的人先做不需要技術性的工作但是一年以後當他考到執照以後他就可以做台電的這個下包去服務剛才委員所關心的所以是專案的我們現在一直在進行啊一直在進行\n601440\t621871\t專案引進外籍移工、引進技術工、在台的橋外生我們希望也輔導他們能夠進入這個職場然後輔導他們的專業跟考照大家比較擔心說他會不會進到台電沒有,他是台電下包的公司所以不會侵犯到台電員工的福利\n622811\t648352\t我們都考慮了很多這個也在這個院長的這個指導之下我們跟勞動部都已經談了已經快人都快引進來了但我剛剛問的這個是工的問題對不對那關鍵的區域呢民生的關鍵工程這個是總統指示的我們要提早的對對對這個我們還是進行既有的人力趕快的把那個紅區的部分\n649635\t668220\t黨會解決那這個就是什麼人比較多的地方設備比較老舊的地方增加住屋比較多的地方都盤點出來了那如果都盤點出來那為什麼大家對台電的穩定公信還是不太有信心我所以我這裡還頁面上特別回復全民對台電的信心是我們的責任\n668860\t697560\t是啦 報告委員 為什麼最近你看我的頁面上最近幾次喔雖然不是大規模停電但是呢小區域的停電還是不斷啊我們中小企業、微型產業不管是服務業也好或是一般民生用電也好關心的就是我剛剛講的停電如果是無預警的停電的話損失是誰在承擔是民眾在承擔是產業在承擔是業者在承擔而這些成本\n699620\t720920\t我們有一些跟地方政府必須要再強化溝通啦有些國家高壓轉到這個中低壓的部分必須要設變壓站但是那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話他那個地方就是紅區了這個不是跟地方政府溝通這個是要跟在地居民溝通而且是要讓居民恢復對台電的信心以及認為\n721881\t726045\t本院內政院議員提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三\n737594\t756089\t但是我們現在上來的我們台電的同仁的努力之下現在台北市政府撥給我們那個設置那個變電站所以這個是一個非常這個改變非常大的我會建議經濟部跟我們環境部跟衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作合作什麼第一個\n758011\t772566\t盤點過去的設計規劃的預定地到底在現在有的已經是20年前的規劃不是現在的規劃那要重新去檢討這第一個第二個我們應該就這個我剛提醒的\n773467\t773487\t。 三\n804227\t829342\t設置突破現在的盲點這個不是我們應該要積極的嗎?我們持續在進行我們一直都在進行這一方面事實上現在我們的同仁的努力改善了很多啦改善了很多這個如果說我們調資料來看過去的幾年到現在我們真的是改善非常多但是我剛剛講了跟衛生福利部跟環境部的這個共同的合作目前是沒有看到的\n829582\t847216\t是這個是一個非常好的這個這個意見你同意嗎對環境的影響是對健康的影響到底有沒有到底能不能讓民眾居民放心來支持我覺得這個很重要是最後的最後才會跟你講真正電網\n849298\t874309\t任性有沒有到位裁判是誰裁判是民眾嘛就人民嘛大家對台電有沒有信心大家對我們的政府的穩定供電有沒有信心大家對這個供電的相關的設施設備會不會造成他生活中的影響這個都是我們政府要去積極的溝通跟面對因為什麼人民民眾是裁判所以民眾一般人最關心什麼院長\n875950\t889033\t無預警停電的次數在我們投資這麼多來電網韌性能夠逐步到位之後無預警停電的次數可不可以減少第二個無預警停電的範圍可不可以縮小\n890326\t890346\t韓國瑜議員\n927145\t933515\t好,謝謝何信成委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長及各位部委首長的備詢。報告委員會上午的質詢我們到此為止。\n","txt":"麻煩再請左院長備詢\n院長好 剛剛很多委員都不給你時間好好的回答那事實上在我們這個不管是能源配比或是發展再生能源的傳統的跟再生的我相信都有所謂的廢棄物這些廢棄物如何的去化那就是我們現在積極要在還沒有遇到問題之前循環經濟要做得好我想\n臺灣的中小企業傳統產業也會碰到如同我們需要建置循環經濟去化廢棄物的一個非常重要的因素那我接著就要問喔景氣\n上個月我們都認為說傳統產業經濟有回春但是我們今天看到報紙上這個傳統產業的經濟景氣好像是曇花一現因為9月份又回到黃紅燈那院長中小企業剛剛你有回答其他的委員說我們也非常重視扶植中小企業微型產業我們也願意編預算要來扶植那我請院長跟部長\n是不是可以第一個就這個中小企業的這個景氣回春不如預期那我們行政院要如何的來扶植就明年的中央政府總預算委員也應該清楚我們有編了115億對於中小企業的多元振興方案所以對於傳產跟中小企業我們希望將他輔導他能夠快速進入到一個數位轉型的年代他才能跟得上潮流\n這是我們現在的做法那其他對於一些節能的補助我們在經濟部也本來就有它現行的機制在處理我知道所以我要提醒院長跟部長喔這個第一個我們的一百多億的補助我們希望呢在未來總預算希望呢朝野各黨都能夠支持之下趕快通過那預算通過之後如何執行我希望執行呢是讓中小企業微型產業是看得到吃得到\n這是第一點很重要所以這個申請的程序的簡化我每一次總質詢都會不斷的提醒第二個是在於我們現在限縮在要輔導他數位轉型要淨零碳排方向沒有錯但是呢請思考一點中小企業要投入這個要接受政府的補助的時候他自己也要再投資那在現在景氣還沒有完全回春看不到春天的情況之下一樣\n臺議一句話 青椒不夠 要怎麼拔光所以呢 如果政府的扶植那中小企業還要再投資那我們政府又如何在他的投資如果遇到困難遇到挑戰的時候政府又如何能夠再幫助他我覺得要方方面面都要想到才能夠真正的把這一百多億的\n福祉預算可以把它擴大無限大真正幫助到中小企業微型產業的不管是數位轉型也好或是淨零碳排的目標也好這個我想包括環境部包括經濟部包括國發會都必須要跨部會在行政院的指導指教領導之下要能夠做得到是不是院長\n是,如果是財務的部分我們透過中小企業的信保機制可以給他一些比較低利的貸款至於說如果是人員的訓練的話他要訓練足夠的AI人員我們希望用政府的力量來幫他訓練他應該不需要付出其他的這個費用、經費那這樣人員跟錢都有了我們還有其他的政策來協助他\n委員長你講一個人人不是只有政府來幫他訓練是這個人也很難找今天報紙有講到全國大缺工也希望行政院能夠帶頭來開會來討論在面臨少子化的當下還有呢我們呢相關的不確定因素情況之下這個\n不管是人才不管是員工這個各行各業都缺工我們對於缺工對於低薪帶引進外國的中階技術人員我們都一直在討論到禮拜天還在討論是所以我希望能夠更進一步的看到行政院在跨部會的這個合作之下我再強調一次我們對於中小企業微型企業的一個扶植是要能夠到位真正能夠落實來部長好像有事\n這部分我想要謝謝這個委員在前幾天有指導過我們的這個產發署確實是如你所說的我們確實在執行上面有利有未待之處然後沒有很落實到最後的微型企業這一點我大概從那一天這個委員的指導之下我們大概非常清楚我們會改正這一部分一定要能夠落實到\n委員長\n我希望委員會來好好的去盤點這個執行的方式那這個中小企業跟微型企業呢最關心的就是政府的補助他們能不能受惠能不能感受到政府的支持跟溫暖因為我一直強調\n半導體很重要臺灣的護國神山但是呢中小企業微型企業也很重要他是我們的護國群山他照顧了最多最多的臺灣在地的員工我們執行的人員會來請教這個這個委員的經驗希望委員能夠多多指導一下所以院長那中小企業微型企業呢關心的也是什麼民生的議題嗎電價\n本院內政委員會提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三\n那前幾天賴總統也在開會的時候有說要強化電網韌性而且呢原來要求台電10年完成的一個計畫要能夠提早4年希望2028呢就能夠優先完成關鍵的區域跟民生相關的關鍵工程那院長請問我們政府現在準備的狀況如何那如何提早\n好這個電網韌性的這部分原來編列的5600億的預算10年完成那現在我們希望他能縮短到2028年完成因為總統認為早一天完成對供電安全有幫忙所以要求早一天完成所以就責任經濟部我們希望他即使動用一些獎勵措施都沒有問題\n早一天完成也可以早一天達到淨零碳排的我們的總目標啊 對不對因為我們都知道 來 部長對不起 這個我們現在目前已經都把那些表做出來\n做表很簡單啊部長然後我要求這個做表了之後如何去執行到位才是重點執行中已經在執行中我們希望能夠這樣的做法在明年的上半年可以把所有的紅區全部把它消滅掉\n響鐘\n主席\n這個光是一般民生的申請用電啊那個排隊是白幹肉肉等啊有時候可能還要排到半年欸才等得到所以我現在在講那現在這樣子的一個總統要求提早四年要把這個電網韌性啊要把它提早完成建置因為這牽涉到什麼第一個穩定供電我們的電網輸配電的電網如果沒有改善的話我們現在老舊的電網它的輸配電啊是耗電的\n。 三\n我們現在這個地區已經都知道在哪裡然後人力因為現在比較不足所以我們現在跟勞動部正在談如何快速把這一些橋外生或者是國外的這個移工進來但是他們要考照所以他必須要透過一個訓練然後去考照\n先進來的人先做不需要技術性的工作但是一年以後當他考到執照以後他就可以做台電的這個下包去服務剛才委員所關心的所以是專案的我們現在一直在進行啊一直在進行\n專案引進外籍移工、引進技術工、在台的橋外生我們希望也輔導他們能夠進入這個職場然後輔導他們的專業跟考照大家比較擔心說他會不會進到台電沒有,他是台電下包的公司所以不會侵犯到台電員工的福利\n我們都考慮了很多這個也在這個院長的這個指導之下我們跟勞動部都已經談了已經快人都快引進來了但我剛剛問的這個是工的問題對不對那關鍵的區域呢民生的關鍵工程這個是總統指示的我們要提早的對對對這個我們還是進行既有的人力趕快的把那個紅區的部分\n黨會解決那這個就是什麼人比較多的地方設備比較老舊的地方增加住屋比較多的地方都盤點出來了那如果都盤點出來那為什麼大家對台電的穩定公信還是不太有信心我所以我這裡還頁面上特別回復全民對台電的信心是我們的責任\n是啦 報告委員 為什麼最近你看我的頁面上最近幾次喔雖然不是大規模停電但是呢小區域的停電還是不斷啊我們中小企業、微型產業不管是服務業也好或是一般民生用電也好關心的就是我剛剛講的停電如果是無預警的停電的話損失是誰在承擔是民眾在承擔是產業在承擔是業者在承擔而這些成本\n我們有一些跟地方政府必須要再強化溝通啦有些國家高壓轉到這個中低壓的部分必須要設變壓站但是那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話他那個地方就是紅區了這個不是跟地方政府溝通這個是要跟在地居民溝通而且是要讓居民恢復對台電的信心以及認為\n本院內政院議員提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三\n但是我們現在上來的我們台電的同仁的努力之下現在台北市政府撥給我們那個設置那個變電站所以這個是一個非常這個改變非常大的我會建議經濟部跟我們環境部跟衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作合作什麼第一個\n盤點過去的設計規劃的預定地到底在現在有的已經是20年前的規劃不是現在的規劃那要重新去檢討這第一個第二個我們應該就這個我剛提醒的\n。 三\n設置突破現在的盲點這個不是我們應該要積極的嗎?我們持續在進行我們一直都在進行這一方面事實上現在我們的同仁的努力改善了很多啦改善了很多這個如果說我們調資料來看過去的幾年到現在我們真的是改善非常多但是我剛剛講了跟衛生福利部跟環境部的這個共同的合作目前是沒有看到的\n是這個是一個非常好的這個這個意見你同意嗎對環境的影響是對健康的影響到底有沒有到底能不能讓民眾居民放心來支持我覺得這個很重要是最後的最後才會跟你講真正電網\n任性有沒有到位裁判是誰裁判是民眾嘛就人民嘛大家對台電有沒有信心大家對我們的政府的穩定供電有沒有信心大家對這個供電的相關的設施設備會不會造成他生活中的影響這個都是我們政府要去積極的溝通跟面對因為什麼人民民眾是裁判所以民眾一般人最關心什麼院長\n無預警停電的次數在我們投資這麼多來電網韌性能夠逐步到位之後無預警停電的次數可不可以減少第二個無預警停電的範圍可不可以縮小\n韓國瑜議員\n好,謝謝何信成委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長及各位部委首長的備詢。報告委員會上午的質詢我們到此為止。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.411 --> 00:01.319\n麻煩再請左院長備詢\n\n00:10.641 --> 00:33.932\n院長好剛剛很多委員都不給你時間好好的回答那事實上在我們這個不管是能源配比或是發展再生能源的傳統的跟再生的我相信都有所謂的廢棄物這些廢棄物如何的去化那就是我們現在積極要在還沒有遇到問題之前循環經濟要做得好我想\n\n00:35.112 --> 00:40.455\n臺灣的中小企業傳統產業也會碰到如同我們需要建置循環經濟去化廢棄物的一個非常重要的因素那我接著就要問喔景氣\n\n01:03.260 --> 01:32.178\n上個月我們都認為說傳統產業經濟有回春但是我們今天看到報紙上這個傳統產業的經濟景氣好像是曇花一現因為9月份又回到黃紅燈那院長中小企業剛剛你有回答其他的委員說我們也非常重視扶植中小企業微型產業我們也願意編預算要來扶植那我請院長跟部長\n\n01:33.158 --> 02:01.508\n是不是可以第一個就這個中小企業的這個景氣回春不如預期那我們行政院要如何的來扶植就明年的中央政府總預算委員也應該清楚我們有編了115億對於中小企業的多元振興方案所以對於傳產跟中小企業我們希望將他輔導他能夠快速進入到一個數位轉型的年代他才能跟得上潮流\n\n02:02.268 --> 02:29.313\n這是我們現在的做法那其他對於一些節能的補助我們在經濟部也本來就有它現行的機制在處理我知道所以我要提醒院長跟部長喔這個第一個我們的一百多億的補助我們希望呢在未來總預算希望呢朝野各黨都能夠支持之下趕快通過那預算通過之後如何執行我希望執行呢是讓中小企業微型產業是看得到吃得到\n\n02:29.873 --> 02:57.156\n這是第一點很重要所以這個申請的程序的簡化我每一次總質詢都會不斷的提醒第二個是在於我們現在限縮在要輔導他數位轉型要淨零碳排方向沒有錯但是呢請思考一點中小企業要投入這個要接受政府的補助的時候他自己也要再投資那在現在景氣還沒有完全回春看不到春天的情況之下一樣\n\n02:58.036 --> 03:17.615\n臺議一句話青椒不夠要怎麼拔光所以呢如果政府的扶植那中小企業還要再投資那我們政府又如何在他的投資如果遇到困難遇到挑戰的時候政府又如何能夠再幫助他我覺得要方方面面都要想到才能夠真正的把這一百多億的\n\n03:18.556 --> 03:37.810\n福祉預算可以把它擴大無限大真正幫助到中小企業微型產業的不管是數位轉型也好或是淨零碳排的目標也好這個我想包括環境部包括經濟部包括國發會都必須要跨部會在行政院的指導指教領導之下要能夠做得到是不是院長\n\n03:39.659 --> 04:00.475\n是,如果是財務的部分我們透過中小企業的信保機制可以給他一些比較低利的貸款至於說如果是人員的訓練的話他要訓練足夠的AI人員我們希望用政府的力量來幫他訓練他應該不需要付出其他的這個費用、經費那這樣人員跟錢都有了我們還有其他的政策來協助他\n\n04:00.835 --> 04:18.766\n委員長你講一個人人不是只有政府來幫他訓練是這個人也很難找今天報紙有講到全國大缺工也希望行政院能夠帶頭來開會來討論在面臨少子化的當下還有呢我們呢相關的不確定因素情況之下這個\n\n04:20.487 --> 04:49.553\n不管是人才不管是員工這個各行各業都缺工我們對於缺工對於低薪帶引進外國的中階技術人員我們都一直在討論到禮拜天還在討論是所以我希望能夠更進一步的看到行政院在跨部會的這個合作之下我再強調一次我們對於中小企業微型企業的一個扶植是要能夠到位真正能夠落實來部長好像有事\n\n04:49.933 --> 05:15.055\n這部分我想要謝謝這個委員在前幾天有指導過我們的這個產發署確實是如你所說的我們確實在執行上面有利有未待之處然後沒有很落實到最後的微型企業這一點我大概從那一天這個委員的指導之下我們大概非常清楚我們會改正這一部分一定要能夠落實到\n\n05:15.796 --> 05:15.816\n委員長\n\n05:44.016 --> 06:03.038\n我希望委員會來好好的去盤點這個執行的方式那這個中小企業跟微型企業呢最關心的就是政府的補助他們能不能受惠能不能感受到政府的支持跟溫暖因為我一直強調\n\n06:04.139 --> 06:26.987\n半導體很重要臺灣的護國神山但是呢中小企業微型企業也很重要他是我們的護國群山他照顧了最多最多的臺灣在地的員工我們執行的人員會來請教這個這個委員的經驗希望委員能夠多多指導一下所以院長那中小企業微型企業呢關心的也是什麼民生的議題嗎電價\n\n06:28.807 --> 06:29.649\n本院內政委員會提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。三\n\n06:43.749 --> 07:07.399\n那前幾天賴總統也在開會的時候有說要強化電網韌性而且呢原來要求台電10年完成的一個計畫要能夠提早4年希望2028呢就能夠優先完成關鍵的區域跟民生相關的關鍵工程那院長請問我們政府現在準備的狀況如何那如何提早\n\n07:07.779 --> 07:27.019\n好這個電網韌性的這部分原來編列的5600億的預算10年完成那現在我們希望他能縮短到2028年完成因為總統認為早一天完成對供電安全有幫忙所以要求早一天完成所以就責任經濟部我們希望他即使動用一些獎勵措施都沒有問題\n\n07:27.560 --> 07:38.505\n早一天完成也可以早一天達到淨零碳排的我們的總目標啊對不對因為我們都知道來部長對不起這個我們現在目前已經都把那些表做出來\n\n07:39.515 --> 08:00.804\n做表很簡單啊部長然後我要求這個做表了之後如何去執行到位才是重點執行中已經在執行中我們希望能夠這樣的做法在明年的上半年可以把所有的紅區全部把它消滅掉\n\n08:19.685 --> 08:19.745\n主席\n\n08:35.342 --> 09:02.480\n這個光是一般民生的申請用電啊那個排隊是白幹肉肉等啊有時候可能還要排到半年欸才等得到所以我現在在講那現在這樣子的一個總統要求提早四年要把這個電網韌性啊要把它提早完成建置因為這牽涉到什麼第一個穩定供電我們的電網輸配電的電網如果沒有改善的話我們現在老舊的電網它的輸配電啊是耗電的\n\n09:03.507 --> 09:03.527\n。三\n\n09:23.635 --> 09:43.454\n我們現在這個地區已經都知道在哪裡然後人力因為現在比較不足所以我們現在跟勞動部正在談如何快速把這一些橋外生或者是國外的這個移工進來但是他們要考照所以他必須要透過一個訓練然後去考照\n\n09:43.954 --> 10:00.600\n先進來的人先做不需要技術性的工作但是一年以後當他考到執照以後他就可以做台電的這個下包去服務剛才委員所關心的所以是專案的我們現在一直在進行啊一直在進行\n\n10:01.440 --> 10:21.871\n專案引進外籍移工、引進技術工、在台的橋外生我們希望也輔導他們能夠進入這個職場然後輔導他們的專業跟考照大家比較擔心說他會不會進到台電沒有,他是台電下包的公司所以不會侵犯到台電員工的福利\n\n10:22.811 --> 10:48.352\n我們都考慮了很多這個也在這個院長的這個指導之下我們跟勞動部都已經談了已經快人都快引進來了但我剛剛問的這個是工的問題對不對那關鍵的區域呢民生的關鍵工程這個是總統指示的我們要提早的對對對這個我們還是進行既有的人力趕快的把那個紅區的部分\n\n10:49.635 --> 11:08.220\n黨會解決那這個就是什麼人比較多的地方設備比較老舊的地方增加住屋比較多的地方都盤點出來了那如果都盤點出來那為什麼大家對台電的穩定公信還是不太有信心我所以我這裡還頁面上特別回復全民對台電的信心是我們的責任\n\n11:08.860 --> 11:37.560\n是啦報告委員為什麼最近你看我的頁面上最近幾次喔雖然不是大規模停電但是呢小區域的停電還是不斷啊我們中小企業、微型產業不管是服務業也好或是一般民生用電也好關心的就是我剛剛講的停電如果是無預警的停電的話損失是誰在承擔是民眾在承擔是產業在承擔是業者在承擔而這些成本\n\n11:39.620 --> 12:00.920\n我們有一些跟地方政府必須要再強化溝通啦有些國家高壓轉到這個中低壓的部分必須要設變壓站但是那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話他那個地方就是紅區了這個不是跟地方政府溝通這個是要跟在地居民溝通而且是要讓居民恢復對台電的信心以及認為\n\n12:01.881 --> 12:06.045\n本院內政院議員提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。三\n\n12:17.594 --> 12:36.089\n但是我們現在上來的我們台電的同仁的努力之下現在台北市政府撥給我們那個設置那個變電站所以這個是一個非常這個改變非常大的我會建議經濟部跟我們環境部跟衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作合作什麼第一個\n\n12:38.011 --> 12:52.566\n盤點過去的設計規劃的預定地到底在現在有的已經是20年前的規劃不是現在的規劃那要重新去檢討這第一個第二個我們應該就這個我剛提醒的\n\n12:53.467 --> 12:53.487\n。三\n\n13:24.227 --> 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為什麼最近你看我的頁面上最近幾次喔雖然不是大規模停電但是呢小區域的停電還是不斷啊我們中小企業、微型產業不管是服務業也好或是一般民生用電也好關心的就是我剛剛講的停電如果是無預警的停電的話損失是誰在承擔是民眾在承擔是產業在承擔是業者在承擔而這些成本"},{"start":699.62,"end":720.92,"text":"我們有一些跟地方政府必須要再強化溝通啦有些國家高壓轉到這個中低壓的部分必須要設變壓站但是那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話他那個地方就是紅區了這個不是跟地方政府溝通這個是要跟在地居民溝通而且是要讓居民恢復對台電的信心以及認為"},{"start":721.881,"end":726.045,"text":"本院內政院議員提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三"},{"start":737.594,"end":756.089,"text":"但是我們現在上來的我們台電的同仁的努力之下現在台北市政府撥給我們那個設置那個變電站所以這個是一個非常這個改變非常大的我會建議經濟部跟我們環境部跟衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作合作什麼第一個"},{"start":758.011,"end":772.566,"text":"盤點過去的設計規劃的預定地到底在現在有的已經是20年前的規劃不是現在的規劃那要重新去檢討這第一個第二個我們應該就這個我剛提醒的"},{"start":773.467,"end":773.487,"text":"。 三"},{"start":804.227,"end":829.342,"text":"設置突破現在的盲點這個不是我們應該要積極的嗎?我們持續在進行我們一直都在進行這一方面事實上現在我們的同仁的努力改善了很多啦改善了很多這個如果說我們調資料來看過去的幾年到現在我們真的是改善非常多但是我剛剛講了跟衛生福利部跟環境部的這個共同的合作目前是沒有看到的"},{"start":829.582,"end":847.216,"text":"是這個是一個非常好的這個這個意見你同意嗎對環境的影響是對健康的影響到底有沒有到底能不能讓民眾居民放心來支持我覺得這個很重要是最後的最後才會跟你講真正電網"},{"start":849.298,"end":874.309,"text":"任性有沒有到位裁判是誰裁判是民眾嘛就人民嘛大家對台電有沒有信心大家對我們的政府的穩定供電有沒有信心大家對這個供電的相關的設施設備會不會造成他生活中的影響這個都是我們政府要去積極的溝通跟面對因為什麼人民民眾是裁判所以民眾一般人最關心什麼院長"},{"start":875.95,"end":889.033,"text":"無預警停電的次數在我們投資這麼多來電網韌性能夠逐步到位之後無預警停電的次數可不可以減少第二個無預警停電的範圍可不可以縮小"},{"start":890.326,"end":890.346,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":927.145,"end":933.515,"text":"好,謝謝何信成委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長及各位部委首長的備詢。報告委員會上午的質詢我們到此為止。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":700,"blocks":[["何委員欣純：（11時57分）謝謝院長。我們請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員好。"],["何委員欣純：院長好。剛剛很多委員都不給你時間好好回答，事實上不管是能源配比或發展再生能源，不論傳統與再生，我相信都有廢棄物。至於這些廢棄物如何去化，那就是我們現在要積極在還沒有遇到問題之前，就要把循環經濟做好，希望環境部也應該趕快來思考這個問題，包括剛剛部長講的，經濟部、工研院已經發展出相關的技術與專業。我為什麼要提到這點？臺灣占九成以上都是中小企業，臺灣的中小企業、傳統產業也會碰到相同問題，這是我們需要建置循環經濟，去化廢棄物的一個非常重要的因素。","我接著就要問景氣。上個月我們都認為傳統產業經濟有回春，但今天報紙寫傳統產業的經濟景氣好像曇花一現，因為9月份又回到黃紅燈。院長，針對中小企業，剛剛你有回答其他委員說，我們也非常重視扶植中小企業微型產業，我們也願意編預算來扶植。院長、部長，第一個，就中小企業景氣回春不如預期，請問行政院要如何來扶植？"],["卓院長榮泰：就明年的中央政府總預算來說，我想委員也應該清楚，我們編了115億的中小企業多元振興方案，對於傳產與中小企業，我們希望輔導它能夠快速進入數位轉型年代，這樣它才能跟得上潮流，這是我們現在的作法。至於其他對於節能的補助，經濟部本來就有現行的機制在處理。"],["何委員欣純：我知道，所以我要提醒院長跟部長，這100多億的補助，希望未來總預算能在朝野各黨支持之下趕快通過，而預算通過之後如何執行？我希望能讓中小企業微型產業看得到、吃得到，這是第一點，這點很重要。所以申請程序的簡化，我每一次總質詢都會不斷的提醒。第二個，我們現在限縮在要輔導它數位轉型、要淨零碳排，方向沒有錯，但是請思考一點，中小企業要投入這個，要接受政府補助的時候，它自己也要再投資，但在現在景氣還沒有完全回春，看不到春天的情況之下，就像臺語一句話「生吃都不夠，要怎麼曬乾」，所以如果政府的扶植，而中小企業還要再投資，那我們政府又如何在它的投資如果遇到困難、遇到挑戰的時候，政府又如何能夠再幫助它？我覺得方方面面都要想到，才能夠真正的把這一百多億的扶植預算，可以把它擴大到無限大，真正幫助到中小企業、微型產業，不管是數位轉型也好，或是淨零碳排的目標也好，這個我想包括環境部，包括經濟部，包括國發會，都必須要跨部會，在行政院的指導之下、領導之下，要能夠做得到，是不是？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，如果是財務的部分，我們透過中小企業的信保機制，可以給它一些比較低利的貸款，至於說如果是人員訓練的話，它要訓練足夠的AI人員，我們希望用政府的力量來幫它訓練，它應該不需要付出其他的費用、經費，這樣的話人員跟錢都有了，我們還有其他的政策來協助它。"],["何委員欣純：院長，你講到一個人，人不是只有政府來幫它訓練，是這個人也很難找。"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["何委員欣純：今天報紙也有講到全國大缺工，也希望行政院能夠帶頭來開會、來討論，在面臨少子化的當下，還有我們相關的不確定因素情況之下，不管是人才，不管是員工，各行各業都缺工，這是跨部會的問題。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們對於缺工，對於低薪，對於引進外國的中階技術人員，我們都一直在討論，到禮拜天還在討論。"],["何委員欣純：所以我希望能夠更進一步的看到行政院在跨部會的合作之下，我再強調一次，我們對於中小企業、微型企業的扶植，是要能夠到位，真正能夠落實啦。來，部長，你好像有話要講。"],["郭部長智輝：這部分，我想要謝謝委員在前幾天有指導過我們的產發署，確實是如你所說的，我們在執行上面確實有力有未逮之處，然後沒有很落實到最後的微型企業，這一點大概從那一天委員的指導之下，我們大概非常清楚，我們會來改正，這一部分一定要能夠落實到可以做的企業。我們過去，可能他們的習慣就是前面，領頭者自己那邊做一做之後，下面都沒在管，所以以大帶小的意思並不是那一天我們那個署長講的那個方式，以大帶小應該是委員你所指導的方式，所以我們會從供應鏈下手，然後到最後受惠的時候，普惠到這些微型小企業，這部分我們會來好好的把這件事情做好。"],["何委員欣純：部長，我希望你應該好好的去盤點，盤點執行的方式，因為中小企業跟微型企業最關心的就是政府的補助他們能不能受惠，能不能感受到政府的支持跟溫暖。"],["郭部長智輝：沒錯。"],["何委員欣純：因為我一直強調，半導體很重要，臺灣的護國神山，但是中小企業、微型企業也很重要，它是我們的護國群山，它照顧了最多最多的臺灣在地的員工。"],["郭部長智輝：我們執行的人員會來請教委員的經驗，希望委員能夠多多指導一下。"],["何委員欣純：所以院長，中小企業、微型企業關心的是什麼？民生的議題嘛！電價、穩定供電，不要停電，也是我們這一次專題，最重要的一個專案報告裡面最重要的一件事嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["何委員欣純：尤其穩定供電、不要停電，大家都會講，但是怎麼做是最重要的。前幾天賴總統在開會的時候也說要強化電網韌性，而且要求台電原來10年完成的一個計畫，要能夠提早4年，希望2028年就能夠優先完成關鍵的區域跟民生相關的關鍵工程，院長，請問我們政府現在準備的狀況如何？如何提早？"],["卓院長榮泰：電網韌性的部分，原來編列5,600億的預算，10年完成，現在我們希望它能縮短到2028年完成，因為總統認為早一天完成，對供電安全有幫忙，所以要求早一天完成。"],["何委員欣純：是啊。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以就責成經濟部，我們希望它即使動用一些獎勵措施都沒有問題。"],["何委員欣純：早一天完成，也可以早一天達到我們淨零碳排的總目標，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：是，我們現在……"],["何委員欣純：因為我們都知道，來，部長。"],["郭部長智輝：對不起。我們現在目前已經都把那些表做出來了。"],["何委員欣純：做表很簡單啦！部長。"],["郭部長智輝：對，然後我要求台電……"],["何委員欣純：表做好之後，如何去執行到位才是重點啦！對不對？因為說真的……"],["卓院長榮泰：正在執行中，已經在執行了。"],["郭部長智輝：執行中，已經在執行中。我們希望透過這樣的作法，能夠在明年的上半年，把所有的紅區全部消化掉。"],["何委員欣純：來，部長，那我問你，你說表已做好正在執行中，那關鍵區域在哪裡？"],["郭部長智輝：關鍵就是說……"],["何委員欣純：你的時程提早，我跟你講，表我看了很多，10年的規劃我也看了好幾年，我做到現在是第四任的立委，大概也看了好幾次，問題是如何去落實，如何提早4年，那必須要有方法，這不是只有投入經費的問題而已喔！尤其我剛剛講到缺工，你自己去問台電，所有台電在各地的工班嚴重缺工，光是一般民生的申請用電，排隊就排得躼躼長（lò-lò-tn̂g，大排長龍）有時候可能還要排半年才等得到。我現在講的是，針對這樣的現況，總統要求提早4年把電網的韌性建置完成，因為這個牽涉到什麼？第一個，穩定供電。我們的輸配電電網如果沒有改善的話，現在靠老舊的電網做輸配電是耗電的，是不夠節電的，這不符合現代科技要淨零碳排的要求，所以要提早要有方法。你剛剛講說已經做好表，把時程表提早，那第一個，我們要優先處理的關鍵區域在哪裡？我們要優先處理的民生關鍵工程又是什麼？"],["郭部長智輝：地區這部分，我們現在已經都知道在哪裡，因為現在人力比較不足，所以我們現在跟勞動部正在談，如何快速把這一些僑外生，或者是國外的移工引進來，但是他們要考照，所以他必須要透過一個訓練，然後去考照。先進來的人，先做不需要技術性的工作，但是一年以後，當他考到執照以後，他就可以做台電的下包，去服務剛才委員所關心的事情……"],["何委員欣純：所以是專案的？"],["郭部長智輝：我們現在一直在進行，一直在進行。"],["何委員欣純：專案的引進外籍移工，引進技術工，然後在台的僑外生，我們希望也輔導他們能夠進入這個職場，然後輔導他們的專業跟考照？"],["郭部長智輝：對，也是，大家比較擔心的是，他會不會進到台電，沒有，他是台電的下包公司，所以不會侵犯到台電員工的福利，我們都考慮了很多，在院長的指導之下，我們跟勞動部都已經談過了，人都快引進來了。"],["何委員欣純：我剛剛問的這是工的問題，對不對？那關鍵的區域呢？民生的關鍵工程呢？這是總統指示的，我們要提早的。"],["郭部長智輝：對對對，這個我們還是繼續進行，既有的人力把紅區的部分趕快解決，就是人比較多的地方，設備比較老舊的地方，增加住屋比較多的地方……"],["何委員欣純：所以這個都盤點出來了？"],["郭部長智輝：都盤點出來了。"],["何委員欣純：好，如果都盤點出來了，為什麼大家對於台電的穩定供需還是不太有信心？所以我的頁面上還特別講，恢復全民對台電的信心是我們的責任耶。"],["郭部長智輝：是啦。報告委員，現在是這樣，有的配電盤太老舊……"],["何委員欣純：是嘛，為什麼？你看我的頁面上，最近幾次雖然不是大規模停電，但是小區域的停電還是不斷，我們的中小企業、微型產業，不管是服務業也好，或是一般民生用電也好，關心的就是我剛剛講的停電，如果是無預警停電的話，損失誰在承擔？是民眾在承擔，是產業在承擔，是業者在承擔，而這些成本，我們不知道該怎麼計算。"],["郭部長智輝：有些事情我們必須要再跟地方政府強化溝通，有一些……"],["何委員欣純：跟地方政府強化溝通什麼？"],["郭部長智輝：高壓轉到中低壓的部分，必須要設變壓站，但是，那個變壓站如果不讓我們設的話，它那個地方就是紅區了。"],["何委員欣純：這個不是跟地方政府溝通，這是要跟在地居民溝通，而且要讓居民恢復對台電的信心，以及認識穩定供電的重要性，還有這個變電設施不會對居民的健康造成影響。"],["郭部長智輝：是，報告委員，有，我們現在有一個案子在臺北市正在進行，過去在柯市長的時候，8年都不允許，但是現在上來了，在我們台電同仁的努力之下，現在臺北市政府撥給我們設置變電站，所以這是一個非常大的改變。"],["何委員欣純：這個我會建議經濟部跟環境部、衛生福利部要跨部會的去合作，合作什麼？第一個，盤點過去設計規劃的預定地，因為有的已經是20年前的規劃，不是現在的規劃，所以要重新去檢討，這是第一個。第二個，我們應該就我剛剛所提醒的，就是對地方政府的溝通、對當地居民的溝通，居民擔心的是什麼？是對環境的影響、對健康的影響，所以政府有責任去跟地方溝通，這也不是只有台電的問題。院長，在這一方面，我們如果要真正儘快的、有效率的推動改善電網，那剛剛部長講有一些關鍵的民生基礎設施，這個要怎麼去設置，突破現在的盲點，這個不是我們應該要積極做的嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：我們持續在進行，我們一直都在進行這一方面，事實上，現在我們同仁努力改善了很多，如果我們調資料來看，在過去幾年到現在我們真的是改善非常多。"],["何委員欣純：但是我剛剛講的跟衛生福利部、環境部共同合作，目前是沒有看到的。"],["郭部長智輝：是，這個是一個非常好的意見。"],["何委員欣純：彭部長，你同意嘛！對不對？"],["彭部長啓明：同意。"],["何委員欣純：對環境的影響、對健康的影響到底能不能讓民眾、居民放心來支持，我覺得這個很重要。"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝。"],["何委員欣純：所以我在最後的最後才會跟你講，電網韌性有沒有真正到位的裁判是誰？裁判是民眾，就是人民嘛！大家對台電有沒有信心，大家對我們政府的穩定供電有沒有信心，供電相關的設施、設備會不會對大家的生活造成影響，這些都是我們政府要去積極溝通跟面對的，因為民眾是裁判。院長，一般民眾最關心的是什麼？就是無預警停電的次數，在我們投資了這麼多來讓電網韌性能夠逐步到位之後，無預警停電的次數可不可以減少？第二個，無預警停電的範圍可不可以縮小？在不幸遇到停電的時候，復電的時間能不能縮短？而且最重要的是什麼？就是可不可以不要無預警的停電，這個才是重點啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我們跟台電說過，無論任何原因的停止供電，都是台電應該要深刻檢討的，所以不僅是在進行有停電必要的工程時需要預告，而且要告訴大家何時復電，如果是這種臨時的跳電，也要在第一時間告訴大家恢復電力的時間是在什麼時候，讓大家心裡有準備。"],["何委員欣純：最好是不要有無預警的跳電或停電，這是最重要的。"],["卓院長榮泰：無預警的停電應該是不可以的，如果跳電的話，我們要找出原因。"],["主席：好，謝謝何欣純委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及各部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，上午的質詢到此為止，我們下午2時30分繼續進行質詢。","現在休息，謝謝。","休息（12時12分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":159,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-6","speakers":["韓國瑜","黃珊珊","郭國文","王鴻薇","張啓楷","邱議瑩","牛煦庭","邱志偉","徐欣瑩","何欣純","蔡易餘","洪申翰","張嘉郡","鍾佳濱","葉元之","謝龍介","廖偉翔","賴瑞隆","許宇甄","莊瑞雄","林德福"],"page_start":67,"meetingDate":["2024-10-29"],"gazette_id":"1138401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138401_00003","1138401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第6次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢─ 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