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00:03:41,902\n委員長像之前我也討論過就是說像孩子們來台灣念書其實這個語言方面在他們的母國是不是必須要先做一定程度的加強那我所了解的話甚至有些華語文能力測驗都是偽造的為了要來念書是偽造的這個部分這個想請教一下委員長要如何克服呢\n\n11\n00:03:43,912 --> 00:03:46,674\n委員剛剛所講的這些現象跟問題確實在過去幾年我們在現場教學現場有發現類似的狀況那也是為什麼我們必須要把很多的東西做一些調整跟改變那就語言的這一方面來說\n\n12\n00:04:03,231 --> 00:04:03,411\n法定人數不足\n\n13\n00:04:19,773 --> 00:04:23,336\n馬來西亞和台北學生之外其他國家在不同的層次上華語是有很大落差的過去我們在華校的設置上因為其他國家有排華的相關問題以致於有些困難但近年來我們開始想要恢復多一點的據點\n\n14\n00:04:45,353 --> 00:04:45,693\n對,如果這樣子這個問題就很大\n\n15\n00:05:12,295 --> 00:05:15,376\n對沒有錯所以這是為什麼我們必須用這個新的模式來進行那這樣的學生我們都會跟他說沒關係你今年沒有錄取但是你明年你好好學華語等到你有一個程度你再來台灣這個部分呢我們也都是在持續加強\n\n16\n00:05:29,402 --> 00:05:48,360\n因為教育部在明年開始他們會成立三個華語基地分別在菲律賓在印尼以及在越南三個國家那目前這三個國家呢這個教材是由本會來授權提供因為我們現在都是用雙語教材的模式而於這些國家他們沒有大量的華語基礎\n\n17\n00:05:50,182 --> 00:05:50,222\n：羅美玲議員\n\n18\n00:06:15,726 --> 00:06:16,987\n委員會提醒我們這些點我們也會持續來關注看看哪些部分還可以加強\n\n19\n00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,584\n華語的部分確實是如同你關注的這樣,它確實是關鍵之所在。是,那委員長請教一下,剛剛你有提到這個海外的這個華語文的這個基地,它是針對說要來上這個三家市僑生專班的學生,或是...不只,那個全部外籍\n\n20\n00:06:59,537 --> 00:06:59,737\n會不會說這效果會比較不好\n\n21\n00:07:15,329 --> 00:07:20,174\n因為基地初步可能還是會先篩選一下就是讓有部分基礎的人優先進來那去強化他的華語基礎那課程結束之後依著他要進行的各種不同專班他有些可能是參加這個教育部的新南向專班\n\n22\n00:07:33,426 --> 00:07:33,826\n外籍生及僑生\n\n23\n00:07:48,559 --> 00:07:48,960\n徐佳青報告業務概況．\n\n24\n00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:09,180\n徐佳青報告業務概況：羅美玲\n\n25\n00:08:38,963 --> 00:08:39,383\n106年是今年畢業嘛對不對今年畢業\n\n26\n00:08:54,417 --> 00:09:01,002\n那我們所得到的數據就是說其實他進來的時候暨高端進來報到是1034人可是到了他完成三年的學業其實留下來只有64%去升暨專端嘛可是暨專端畢業的其實只有31%是今年113年今年的這個畢業人數所以我們比較105104103其實我們留下來這個也只有三成左右\n\n27\n00:09:21,536 --> 00:09:22,196\n委員這個是最後留下來跟最初的做對比\n\n28\n00:09:40,406 --> 00:10:00,895\n我們後來有做一個資料就是說我們看他如果真的完整的7年讀完因為他必須讀完7年他才能正式留下來工作那如果他沒有中間就離開的有絕大多數可能有學習的這個確實落差有一部分是因為他們全部7年都沒有假期所以他們想要回家的時候就變成被迫只能就離開學校了\n\n29\n00:10:02,176 --> 00:10:07,200\n所以沒有這個休學制度對這些學生產學來說現在這個是我們正在積極思考的因為長達7年如果這些孩子不能有一段比較完整的時間去返家的時候他最後被迫他就是休學就是退學了他們7年當中可以返家吧他們可以返家但是都是時間很短因為他們只能搭配我們最長的假期就是春節那春節就是一個禮拜到9天10天不等那對於這些海外的孩子來說他很希望\n\n30\n00:10:31,317 --> 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