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00:02:40,145\n一切宣導的過程目前還沒有來提出申請那至於剛剛委員提到我們其他開放的司機員還有一些客運貨運等等這個目前已經確定會開放那我們現在正在跟部會確認一些法制作業當中但是還沒開始申請司機這邊還沒開始不過你們已經確定開放了那除了這個旅宿業以外您覺得勞動部還可以在觀光產業上貢獻哪些事嗎\n\n9\n00:02:47,105 --> 00:03:07,770\n我們要先幫他解決這個勞動力匱乏的問題我們也鼓勵業者在中高齡跟婦女這方面應該要多多來利用包括我們的義後缺工改善方案其實就是為了觀光業合作的可是他們在媒合人力上那你的這個高齡跟婦女有什麼\n\n10\n00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:14,772\n獎勵的措施可以讓他們...他們除了我們原有的這一種55plus婦女在就業獎勵以外觀光署也有給他們補助在這方面所以是兩個部會合起來補助他們可是目前就用人力上差強人意這個方案所以這也牽涉到\n\n11\n00:03:30,576 --> 00:03:46,272\n這一個有沒有這一個期待跟就是說這個這個落差的問題對我們能提供的人力跟他能要使用的這樣的人力落差的問題這也是我們進一步要跟呂樹葉我們可以來跟他來再度來更精進來討論對\n\n12\n00:03:48,374 --> 00:04:17,854\n好再來我想請教部長的是這是去年行政院八月通過的優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度他是一個一年期的專案這專案其實花蠻多錢的有五億多那您當時有三個項目覺得很重要所以把它列為專案的計劃第一個是流用中階技術人力要變多這剛剛您已經講了第二是針對失蹤不明比例過高的引進移工來台國外仲介公司辦理暫停\n\n13\n00:04:18,354 --> 00:04:47,572\n那第三呢是要服務僱主以及家事移工並提供入境移工的指引好但是我們到今年現在已經快要11月了吧我們你已經花掉了5億2997萬其中的2億3009萬所以其實你現在還剩下一半多的經費喔超過50%總共是56%的經費那你要我想知道你再來要怎麼做你是要兩個月大傻逼嗎\n\n14\n00:04:48,232 --> 00:05:11,040\n還是怎麼做?這個我可以請署長來回應一下跟委員報告因為這個預算大部分是提供各部位在執行這個移工的聘務管理的一些做法那因為他們有一些經費的核銷上的一個期程上每年大概都是這樣那年底前他們會大概整個核銷的進度都會完成執行率大概都可以提高到我們的相關的預算\n\n15\n00:05:11,929 --> 00:05:20,244\n所以你的意思是說其實他們只是因為核銷的進度比較慢所以你到12月其實你這個一年期的計畫就會結束了\n\n16\n00:05:22,897 --> 00:05:42,385\n對嗎這個我們這個其實是每年的例行在辦理的一些相關的工作可以那我們來看一下你的這個執行率吼第一個我覺得中階技術人力累積許可人數ok因為有達到你的kpi我記得你們本來是設定兩萬五嗎對那比較匪夷所思的地方就是\n\n17\n00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:56,476\n你針對逃逸比較多的仲介公司確保外國仲介品質是0%你一家都沒有一家都沒有抓到一家都沒有發現這樣是為什麼委員那個他有三家有三家被停權目前有三家被停權你講一下\n\n18\n00:06:04,998 --> 00:06:17,718\n委員報告這個規定我們實施之後我們就落實現在越南因為他因為失聯的問題我們大概有已經有3家已經被我們停選掉你的報告你要更新一下嗎是這個我們再更新\n\n19\n00:06:18,547 --> 00:06:42,960\n那我跟你補充一下數據齁我們去年的8月失聯移工是84,339人去年等於100位移工就有11.3位是失聯最新呢113年9月是88,881人所以我們一年多了快5000人逃逸的移工4500那你現在做了這個一年期的專案啊花了5億\n\n20\n00:06:44,693 --> 00:07:12,147\n花了5億你覺得你抓到3家外國仲介公司這個有符合你原本幫自己設定的KPI嗎?委員這一個部分應該主要是查緝的工作查緝收容事實上我們今年還要花9千萬吧給移民署讓他去收容擴大收容這一個逃逸移工數這個部分我們\n\n21\n00:07:13,488 --> 00:07:28,166\n對可是剛剛才你目標應該是希望他不要逃逸啊而不是做大收容其實我們現在比起疫情期間失聯率已經下降了現在才2%嘛對那之前疫情期間都是3到4%\n\n22\n00:07:29,748 --> 00:07:52,143\n之後我也希望可以看到你們這個一年期的專案的結案報告因為如果說你抓到了這三家結果他們逃逸的數目遠遠跟我們這一年的差距其實是很大的那就不太合理啊是吧不然我也想問你們是怎麼去追查到這三家的你們不是應該是救人數嗎\n\n23\n00:07:54,110 --> 00:08:18,397\n你們不是應該是定多少人數以上的國外仲介公司所以你們才會去找嗎對他是用人數來看的那你講的出來這三家你覺得他們佔了多少比例嗎我跟委員報告因為我們現在是每三個月就會去集合所有這個國外仲介那就是依照他的引進人數跟失聯人數有一個比例只要達到這樣的一個警戒值我們就予以停權這個比例是\n\n24\n00:08:19,958 --> 00:08:46,689\n那個比例大概我們是有一個估算是不是會後我們再提供給委員就有設定一個比例法令上明定謝謝之後我也很期待看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告因為你們有三次查核還有最後一次還沒做對我還有兩分鐘好下一個因為這是上禮拜很多委員會在討論的大家在討論是不是應該要新增一些國定假日可以幫我播一下影片\n\n25\n00:08:50,975 --> 00:08:58,437\n這是吳斯亞委員的說法我也想知道我們勞動部部長的看法如何因為當然之前這才對嘛\n\n26\n00:09:22,356 --> 00:09:43,831\n我想問部長因為我知道您以前是勞工運動出身的但是後來您也在勞基法的修法的時候有一個特別的角色啦所以我想知道說因為現在這個很多人關注這個新聞我們是不是應該要增加我們的國定假日不管是幾天一天兩天三天或是七天不知道您的看法是怎麼樣\n\n27\n00:09:45,758 --> 00:10:04,576\n委員我想勞動部的立場在當時勞基法一例一休修法之後我們增加的休假日週休二日我們落實週休二日增加的這個休假日大概就是全年的總休假日是116天\n\n28\n00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:34,651\n當時為什麼會拿掉那7天國定假日是因為要一致化的問題就是要公務員勞工跟公務員要一致化因為那時候發生了蠻荒謬的場景就是教師解勞工放假而教師沒放假這種狀況所以全部的人都在抱怨那時候我在行政院我記得當時林全院長被罵翻所以所有的朝野立委都要求這個要趕快修法拿掉\n\n29\n00:10:35,291 --> 00:10:51,817\n對但是我們可以再更進步了嗎現在又過了好幾年所以這個之後本席還會在花時間跟您詳細的討論一下不過現在國際的趨勢這個國定假日加上特休日我們都是比別的亞洲國家差的\n\n30\n00:10:52,817 --> 00:11:17,870\n不管是韓國或是日本或是新加坡新加坡的國定假日跟我們是一樣1112天可是他們做滿三個月六個月他的特休日是比我們多很多的那現在臺灣的工時也是OECD國家裡面第四高全世界第四高亞洲第二高那這個是一個趨勢所以我也想知道部長對於這樣子的趨勢的看法\n\n31\n00:11:18,690 --> 00:11:32,571\n還是你覺得我們從勞基法修法至今可以不需要做調整我想當時2016年的一例一休的修法那到今天目前為止\n\n32\n00:11:33,752 --> 00:11:46,987\n我當時其實特休也都是增加的委員當時對出入職場的勞工甚至那特休6個月以下就增加到3天這也在全世界也是排名前面的所以其實\n\n33\n00:11:50,551 --> 00:12:07,390\n我跟您報告一下這個是我們跟其他國家特休的比較在我們這邊呢人力銀行統計起來臺灣的勞工平均12到15個月就要換工作可是我們要工作滿一年才可以有7天好\n\n34\n00:12:08,522 --> 00:12:27,578\n新加坡跟我們一樣老公只要工作三個月第一年就會有七天可是我們要工作到半年以上才可以日本的話只要出席總日數達到八成以上就可以十天的特休所以我不知道部長口中我們比較進步是跟哪一些國家來比這個我也想知道\n\n35\n00:12:29,708 --> 00:12:29,808\n陳菁徽\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5369\t18086\t請部長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝各位委員 謝謝各位官員那今天想要請教部長的是昨天其實我們觀光署\n20463\t35653\t對好昨天我們觀光署有講到說他們本來啊今年希望可以達到1000萬的人次因為在疫情前我們是有到1200萬但希望今年可以衝到1000萬結果到昨天他們很悲觀的認為\n37014\t59324\t打到750萬下修了他們的目標啊那這個是賴總統在競選的時候曾經講到的他希望部部有觀光他希望部部有觀光各地有觀光來發展觀光的主流化來搶救我國的觀光產業這個也是部長剛剛口頭報告的時候有講到我們很需要中階的人才\n59924\t75212\t啊旅宿其中之一所以我也想請問您部部有觀光勞動部這邊可以做什麼呢因為這個昨天是一個蠻大的新聞所有相關產業的人都很關注啊當然\n76172\t80293\t昨天我在跟服務業的座談裡面旅宿觀光業他們也再度提出可是跟委員報告我們在這部分已經初步先開放橋外生中階人力可以從事旅宿的房屋上禮拜你說這個司機也是在研擬\n100780\t101381\t現在都其實政策才剛開始\n116616\t137592\t就是還沒有統計的數據還沒有真正就是才剛通過有人來申請了嗎應該才剛通過而已跟各位報告喔旅宿我們是8月開放那8月開放因為它關公署有一些相關的細節規定資格所以現在目前還在一個規劃期那已經開放那目前還在\n138813\t160145\t一切宣導的過程目前還沒有來提出申請那至於剛剛委員提到我們其他開放的司機員還有一些客運貨運等等這個目前已經確定會開放那我們現在正在跟部會確認一些法制作業當中但是還沒開始申請司機這邊還沒開始不過你們已經確定開放了那除了這個旅宿業以外您覺得勞動部還可以在觀光產業上貢獻哪些事嗎\n167105\t187770\t我們要先幫他解決這個勞動力匱乏的問題我們也鼓勵業者在中高齡跟婦女這方面應該要多多來利用包括我們的義後缺工改善方案其實就是為了觀光業合作的可是他們在媒合人力上那你的這個高齡跟婦女有什麼\n189070\t194772\t獎勵的措施可以讓他們...他們除了我們原有的這一種55plus婦女在就業獎勵以外觀光署也有給他們補助在這方面所以是兩個部會合起來補助他們可是目前就用人力上差強人意這個方案所以這也牽涉到\n210576\t226272\t這一個有沒有這一個期待跟就是說這個這個落差的問題對我們能提供的人力跟他能要使用的這樣的人力落差的問題這也是我們進一步要跟呂樹葉我們可以來跟他來再度來更精進來討論對\n228374\t257854\t好再來我想請教部長的是這是去年行政院八月通過的優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度他是一個一年期的專案這專案其實花蠻多錢的有五億多那您當時有三個項目覺得很重要所以把它列為專案的計劃第一個是流用中階技術人力要變多這剛剛您已經講了第二是針對失蹤不明比例過高的引進移工來台國外仲介公司辦理暫停\n258354\t287572\t那第三呢是要服務僱主以及家事移工並提供入境移工的指引好但是我們到今年現在已經快要11月了吧我們你已經花掉了5億2997萬其中的2億3009萬所以其實你現在還剩下一半多的經費喔超過50%總共是56%的經費那你要我想知道你再來要怎麼做你是要兩個月大傻逼嗎\n288232\t311040\t還是怎麼做?這個我可以請署長來回應一下跟委員報告因為這個預算大部分是提供各部位在執行這個移工的聘務管理的一些做法那因為他們有一些經費的核銷上的一個期程上每年大概都是這樣那年底前他們會大概整個核銷的進度都會完成執行率大概都可以提高到我們的相關的預算\n311929\t320244\t所以你的意思是說其實他們只是因為核銷的進度比較慢所以你到12月其實你這個一年期的計畫就會結束了\n322897\t342385\t對嗎這個我們這個其實是每年的例行在辦理的一些相關的工作可以那我們來看一下你的這個執行率吼第一個我覺得中階技術人力累積許可人數ok因為有達到你的kpi我記得你們本來是設定兩萬五嗎對那比較匪夷所思的地方就是\n343385\t356476\t你針對逃逸比較多的仲介公司確保外國仲介品質是0%你一家都沒有一家都沒有抓到一家都沒有發現這樣是為什麼委員那個他有三家有三家被停權目前有三家被停權你講一下\n364998\t377718\t委員報告這個規定我們實施之後我們就落實現在越南因為他因為失聯的問題我們大概有已經有3家已經被我們停選掉你的報告你要更新一下嗎是這個我們再更新\n378547\t402960\t那我跟你補充一下數據齁我們去年的8月失聯移工是84,339人去年等於100位移工就有11.3位是失聯最新呢113年9月是88,881人所以我們一年多了快5000人逃逸的移工4500那你現在做了這個一年期的專案啊花了5億\n404693\t432147\t花了5億你覺得你抓到3家外國仲介公司這個有符合你原本幫自己設定的KPI嗎?委員這一個部分應該主要是查緝的工作查緝收容事實上我們今年還要花9千萬吧給移民署讓他去收容擴大收容這一個逃逸移工數這個部分我們\n433488\t448166\t對可是剛剛才你目標應該是希望他不要逃逸啊而不是做大收容其實我們現在比起疫情期間失聯率已經下降了現在才2%嘛對那之前疫情期間都是3到4%\n449748\t472143\t之後我也希望可以看到你們這個一年期的專案的結案報告因為如果說你抓到了這三家結果他們逃逸的數目遠遠跟我們這一年的差距其實是很大的那就不太合理啊是吧不然我也想問你們是怎麼去追查到這三家的你們不是應該是救人數嗎\n474110\t498397\t你們不是應該是定多少人數以上的國外仲介公司所以你們才會去找嗎對他是用人數來看的那你講的出來這三家你覺得他們佔了多少比例嗎我跟委員報告因為我們現在是每三個月就會去集合所有這個國外仲介那就是依照他的引進人數跟失聯人數有一個比例只要達到這樣的一個警戒值我們就予以停權這個比例是\n499958\t526689\t那個比例大概我們是有一個估算是不是會後我們再提供給委員就有設定一個比例法令上明定謝謝之後我也很期待看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告因為你們有三次查核還有最後一次還沒做對我還有兩分鐘好下一個因為這是上禮拜很多委員會在討論的大家在討論是不是應該要新增一些國定假日可以幫我播一下影片\n530975\t538437\t這是吳斯亞委員的說法我也想知道我們勞動部部長的看法如何因為當然之前這才對嘛\n562356\t583831\t我想問部長因為我知道您以前是勞工運動出身的但是後來您也在勞基法的修法的時候有一個特別的角色啦所以我想知道說因為現在這個很多人關注這個新聞我們是不是應該要增加我們的國定假日不管是幾天一天兩天三天或是七天不知道您的看法是怎麼樣\n585758\t604576\t委員我想勞動部的立場在當時勞基法一例一休修法之後我們增加的休假日週休二日我們落實週休二日增加的這個休假日大概就是全年的總休假日是116天\n608399\t634651\t當時為什麼會拿掉那7天國定假日是因為要一致化的問題就是要公務員勞工跟公務員要一致化因為那時候發生了蠻荒謬的場景就是教師解勞工放假而教師沒放假這種狀況所以全部的人都在抱怨那時候我在行政院我記得當時林全院長被罵翻所以所有的朝野立委都要求這個要趕快修法拿掉\n635291\t651817\t對但是我們可以再更進步了嗎現在又過了好幾年所以這個之後本席還會在花時間跟您詳細的討論一下不過現在國際的趨勢這個國定假日加上特休日我們都是比別的亞洲國家差的\n652817\t677870\t不管是韓國或是日本或是新加坡新加坡的國定假日跟我們是一樣1112天可是他們做滿三個月六個月他的特休日是比我們多很多的那現在臺灣的工時也是OECD國家裡面第四高全世界第四高亞洲第二高那這個是一個趨勢所以我也想知道部長對於這樣子的趨勢的看法\n678690\t692571\t還是你覺得我們從勞基法修法至今可以不需要做調整我想當時2016年的一例一休的修法那到今天目前為止\n693752\t706987\t我當時其實特休也都是增加的委員當時對出入職場的勞工甚至那特休6個月以下就增加到3天這也在全世界也是排名前面的所以其實\n710551\t727390\t我跟您報告一下這個是我們跟其他國家特休的比較在我們這邊呢人力銀行統計起來臺灣的勞工平均12到15個月就要換工作可是我們要工作滿一年才可以有7天好\n728522\t747578\t新加坡跟我們一樣老公只要工作三個月第一年就會有七天可是我們要工作到半年以上才可以日本的話只要出席總日數達到八成以上就可以十天的特休所以我不知道部長口中我們比較進步是跟哪一些國家來比這個我也想知道\n749708\t749808\t陳菁徽\n","txt":"請部長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝各位委員 謝謝各位官員那今天想要請教部長的是昨天其實我們觀光署\n對好昨天我們觀光署有講到說他們本來啊今年希望可以達到1000萬的人次因為在疫情前我們是有到1200萬但希望今年可以衝到1000萬結果到昨天他們很悲觀的認為\n打到750萬下修了他們的目標啊那這個是賴總統在競選的時候曾經講到的他希望部部有觀光他希望部部有觀光各地有觀光來發展觀光的主流化來搶救我國的觀光產業這個也是部長剛剛口頭報告的時候有講到我們很需要中階的人才\n啊旅宿其中之一所以我也想請問您部部有觀光勞動部這邊可以做什麼呢因為這個昨天是一個蠻大的新聞所有相關產業的人都很關注啊當然\n昨天我在跟服務業的座談裡面旅宿觀光業他們也再度提出可是跟委員報告我們在這部分已經初步先開放橋外生中階人力可以從事旅宿的房屋上禮拜你說這個司機也是在研擬\n現在都其實政策才剛開始\n就是還沒有統計的數據還沒有真正就是才剛通過有人來申請了嗎應該才剛通過而已跟各位報告喔旅宿我們是8月開放那8月開放因為它關公署有一些相關的細節規定資格所以現在目前還在一個規劃期那已經開放那目前還在\n一切宣導的過程目前還沒有來提出申請那至於剛剛委員提到我們其他開放的司機員還有一些客運貨運等等這個目前已經確定會開放那我們現在正在跟部會確認一些法制作業當中但是還沒開始申請司機這邊還沒開始不過你們已經確定開放了那除了這個旅宿業以外您覺得勞動部還可以在觀光產業上貢獻哪些事嗎\n我們要先幫他解決這個勞動力匱乏的問題我們也鼓勵業者在中高齡跟婦女這方面應該要多多來利用包括我們的義後缺工改善方案其實就是為了觀光業合作的可是他們在媒合人力上那你的這個高齡跟婦女有什麼\n獎勵的措施可以讓他們...他們除了我們原有的這一種55plus婦女在就業獎勵以外觀光署也有給他們補助在這方面所以是兩個部會合起來補助他們可是目前就用人力上差強人意這個方案所以這也牽涉到\n這一個有沒有這一個期待跟就是說這個這個落差的問題對我們能提供的人力跟他能要使用的這樣的人力落差的問題這也是我們進一步要跟呂樹葉我們可以來跟他來再度來更精進來討論對\n好再來我想請教部長的是這是去年行政院八月通過的優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度他是一個一年期的專案這專案其實花蠻多錢的有五億多那您當時有三個項目覺得很重要所以把它列為專案的計劃第一個是流用中階技術人力要變多這剛剛您已經講了第二是針對失蹤不明比例過高的引進移工來台國外仲介公司辦理暫停\n那第三呢是要服務僱主以及家事移工並提供入境移工的指引好但是我們到今年現在已經快要11月了吧我們你已經花掉了5億2997萬其中的2億3009萬所以其實你現在還剩下一半多的經費喔超過50%總共是56%的經費那你要我想知道你再來要怎麼做你是要兩個月大傻逼嗎\n還是怎麼做?這個我可以請署長來回應一下跟委員報告因為這個預算大部分是提供各部位在執行這個移工的聘務管理的一些做法那因為他們有一些經費的核銷上的一個期程上每年大概都是這樣那年底前他們會大概整個核銷的進度都會完成執行率大概都可以提高到我們的相關的預算\n所以你的意思是說其實他們只是因為核銷的進度比較慢所以你到12月其實你這個一年期的計畫就會結束了\n對嗎這個我們這個其實是每年的例行在辦理的一些相關的工作可以那我們來看一下你的這個執行率吼第一個我覺得中階技術人力累積許可人數ok因為有達到你的kpi我記得你們本來是設定兩萬五嗎對那比較匪夷所思的地方就是\n你針對逃逸比較多的仲介公司確保外國仲介品質是0%你一家都沒有一家都沒有抓到一家都沒有發現這樣是為什麼委員那個他有三家有三家被停權目前有三家被停權你講一下\n委員報告這個規定我們實施之後我們就落實現在越南因為他因為失聯的問題我們大概有已經有3家已經被我們停選掉你的報告你要更新一下嗎是這個我們再更新\n那我跟你補充一下數據齁我們去年的8月失聯移工是84,339人去年等於100位移工就有11.3位是失聯最新呢113年9月是88,881人所以我們一年多了快5000人逃逸的移工4500那你現在做了這個一年期的專案啊花了5億\n花了5億你覺得你抓到3家外國仲介公司這個有符合你原本幫自己設定的KPI嗎?委員這一個部分應該主要是查緝的工作查緝收容事實上我們今年還要花9千萬吧給移民署讓他去收容擴大收容這一個逃逸移工數這個部分我們\n對可是剛剛才你目標應該是希望他不要逃逸啊而不是做大收容其實我們現在比起疫情期間失聯率已經下降了現在才2%嘛對那之前疫情期間都是3到4%\n之後我也希望可以看到你們這個一年期的專案的結案報告因為如果說你抓到了這三家結果他們逃逸的數目遠遠跟我們這一年的差距其實是很大的那就不太合理啊是吧不然我也想問你們是怎麼去追查到這三家的你們不是應該是救人數嗎\n你們不是應該是定多少人數以上的國外仲介公司所以你們才會去找嗎對他是用人數來看的那你講的出來這三家你覺得他們佔了多少比例嗎我跟委員報告因為我們現在是每三個月就會去集合所有這個國外仲介那就是依照他的引進人數跟失聯人數有一個比例只要達到這樣的一個警戒值我們就予以停權這個比例是\n那個比例大概我們是有一個估算是不是會後我們再提供給委員就有設定一個比例法令上明定謝謝之後我也很期待看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告因為你們有三次查核還有最後一次還沒做對我還有兩分鐘好下一個因為這是上禮拜很多委員會在討論的大家在討論是不是應該要新增一些國定假日可以幫我播一下影片\n這是吳斯亞委員的說法我也想知道我們勞動部部長的看法如何因為當然之前這才對嘛\n我想問部長因為我知道您以前是勞工運動出身的但是後來您也在勞基法的修法的時候有一個特別的角色啦所以我想知道說因為現在這個很多人關注這個新聞我們是不是應該要增加我們的國定假日不管是幾天一天兩天三天或是七天不知道您的看法是怎麼樣\n委員我想勞動部的立場在當時勞基法一例一休修法之後我們增加的休假日週休二日我們落實週休二日增加的這個休假日大概就是全年的總休假日是116天\n當時為什麼會拿掉那7天國定假日是因為要一致化的問題就是要公務員勞工跟公務員要一致化因為那時候發生了蠻荒謬的場景就是教師解勞工放假而教師沒放假這種狀況所以全部的人都在抱怨那時候我在行政院我記得當時林全院長被罵翻所以所有的朝野立委都要求這個要趕快修法拿掉\n對但是我們可以再更進步了嗎現在又過了好幾年所以這個之後本席還會在花時間跟您詳細的討論一下不過現在國際的趨勢這個國定假日加上特休日我們都是比別的亞洲國家差的\n不管是韓國或是日本或是新加坡新加坡的國定假日跟我們是一樣1112天可是他們做滿三個月六個月他的特休日是比我們多很多的那現在臺灣的工時也是OECD國家裡面第四高全世界第四高亞洲第二高那這個是一個趨勢所以我也想知道部長對於這樣子的趨勢的看法\n還是你覺得我們從勞基法修法至今可以不需要做調整我想當時2016年的一例一休的修法那到今天目前為止\n我當時其實特休也都是增加的委員當時對出入職場的勞工甚至那特休6個月以下就增加到3天這也在全世界也是排名前面的所以其實\n我跟您報告一下這個是我們跟其他國家特休的比較在我們這邊呢人力銀行統計起來臺灣的勞工平均12到15個月就要換工作可是我們要工作滿一年才可以有7天好\n新加坡跟我們一樣老公只要工作三個月第一年就會有七天可是我們要工作到半年以上才可以日本的話只要出席總日數達到八成以上就可以十天的特休所以我不知道部長口中我們比較進步是跟哪一些國家來比這個我也想知道\n陳菁徽\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.369 --> 00:18.086\n請部長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝各位委員謝謝各位官員那今天想要請教部長的是昨天其實我們觀光署\n\n00:20.463 --> 00:35.653\n對好昨天我們觀光署有講到說他們本來啊今年希望可以達到1000萬的人次因為在疫情前我們是有到1200萬但希望今年可以衝到1000萬結果到昨天他們很悲觀的認為\n\n00:37.014 --> 00:59.324\n打到750萬下修了他們的目標啊那這個是賴總統在競選的時候曾經講到的他希望部部有觀光他希望部部有觀光各地有觀光來發展觀光的主流化來搶救我國的觀光產業這個也是部長剛剛口頭報告的時候有講到我們很需要中階的人才\n\n00:59.924 --> 01:15.212\n啊旅宿其中之一所以我也想請問您部部有觀光勞動部這邊可以做什麼呢因為這個昨天是一個蠻大的新聞所有相關產業的人都很關注啊當然\n\n01:16.172 --> 01:20.293\n昨天我在跟服務業的座談裡面旅宿觀光業他們也再度提出可是跟委員報告我們在這部分已經初步先開放橋外生中階人力可以從事旅宿的房屋上禮拜你說這個司機也是在研擬\n\n01:40.780 --> 01:41.381\n現在都其實政策才剛開始\n\n01:56.616 --> 02:17.592\n就是還沒有統計的數據還沒有真正就是才剛通過有人來申請了嗎應該才剛通過而已跟各位報告喔旅宿我們是8月開放那8月開放因為它關公署有一些相關的細節規定資格所以現在目前還在一個規劃期那已經開放那目前還在\n\n02:18.813 --> 02:40.145\n一切宣導的過程目前還沒有來提出申請那至於剛剛委員提到我們其他開放的司機員還有一些客運貨運等等這個目前已經確定會開放那我們現在正在跟部會確認一些法制作業當中但是還沒開始申請司機這邊還沒開始不過你們已經確定開放了那除了這個旅宿業以外您覺得勞動部還可以在觀光產業上貢獻哪些事嗎\n\n02:47.105 --> 03:07.770\n我們要先幫他解決這個勞動力匱乏的問題我們也鼓勵業者在中高齡跟婦女這方面應該要多多來利用包括我們的義後缺工改善方案其實就是為了觀光業合作的可是他們在媒合人力上那你的這個高齡跟婦女有什麼\n\n03:09.070 --> 03:14.772\n獎勵的措施可以讓他們...他們除了我們原有的這一種55plus婦女在就業獎勵以外觀光署也有給他們補助在這方面所以是兩個部會合起來補助他們可是目前就用人力上差強人意這個方案所以這也牽涉到\n\n03:30.576 --> 03:46.272\n這一個有沒有這一個期待跟就是說這個這個落差的問題對我們能提供的人力跟他能要使用的這樣的人力落差的問題這也是我們進一步要跟呂樹葉我們可以來跟他來再度來更精進來討論對\n\n03:48.374 --> 04:17.854\n好再來我想請教部長的是這是去年行政院八月通過的優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度他是一個一年期的專案這專案其實花蠻多錢的有五億多那您當時有三個項目覺得很重要所以把它列為專案的計劃第一個是流用中階技術人力要變多這剛剛您已經講了第二是針對失蹤不明比例過高的引進移工來台國外仲介公司辦理暫停\n\n04:18.354 --> 04:47.572\n那第三呢是要服務僱主以及家事移工並提供入境移工的指引好但是我們到今年現在已經快要11月了吧我們你已經花掉了5億2997萬其中的2億3009萬所以其實你現在還剩下一半多的經費喔超過50%總共是56%的經費那你要我想知道你再來要怎麼做你是要兩個月大傻逼嗎\n\n04:48.232 --> 05:11.040\n還是怎麼做?這個我可以請署長來回應一下跟委員報告因為這個預算大部分是提供各部位在執行這個移工的聘務管理的一些做法那因為他們有一些經費的核銷上的一個期程上每年大概都是這樣那年底前他們會大概整個核銷的進度都會完成執行率大概都可以提高到我們的相關的預算\n\n05:11.929 --> 05:20.244\n所以你的意思是說其實他們只是因為核銷的進度比較慢所以你到12月其實你這個一年期的計畫就會結束了\n\n05:22.897 --> 05:42.385\n對嗎這個我們這個其實是每年的例行在辦理的一些相關的工作可以那我們來看一下你的這個執行率吼第一個我覺得中階技術人力累積許可人數ok因為有達到你的kpi我記得你們本來是設定兩萬五嗎對那比較匪夷所思的地方就是\n\n05:43.385 --> 05:56.476\n你針對逃逸比較多的仲介公司確保外國仲介品質是0%你一家都沒有一家都沒有抓到一家都沒有發現這樣是為什麼委員那個他有三家有三家被停權目前有三家被停權你講一下\n\n06:04.998 --> 06:17.718\n委員報告這個規定我們實施之後我們就落實現在越南因為他因為失聯的問題我們大概有已經有3家已經被我們停選掉你的報告你要更新一下嗎是這個我們再更新\n\n06:18.547 --> 06:42.960\n那我跟你補充一下數據齁我們去年的8月失聯移工是84,339人去年等於100位移工就有11.3位是失聯最新呢113年9月是88,881人所以我們一年多了快5000人逃逸的移工4500那你現在做了這個一年期的專案啊花了5億\n\n06:44.693 --> 07:12.147\n花了5億你覺得你抓到3家外國仲介公司這個有符合你原本幫自己設定的KPI嗎?委員這一個部分應該主要是查緝的工作查緝收容事實上我們今年還要花9千萬吧給移民署讓他去收容擴大收容這一個逃逸移工數這個部分我們\n\n07:13.488 --> 07:28.166\n對可是剛剛才你目標應該是希望他不要逃逸啊而不是做大收容其實我們現在比起疫情期間失聯率已經下降了現在才2%嘛對那之前疫情期間都是3到4%\n\n07:29.748 --> 07:52.143\n之後我也希望可以看到你們這個一年期的專案的結案報告因為如果說你抓到了這三家結果他們逃逸的數目遠遠跟我們這一年的差距其實是很大的那就不太合理啊是吧不然我也想問你們是怎麼去追查到這三家的你們不是應該是救人數嗎\n\n07:54.110 --> 08:18.397\n你們不是應該是定多少人數以上的國外仲介公司所以你們才會去找嗎對他是用人數來看的那你講的出來這三家你覺得他們佔了多少比例嗎我跟委員報告因為我們現在是每三個月就會去集合所有這個國外仲介那就是依照他的引進人數跟失聯人數有一個比例只要達到這樣的一個警戒值我們就予以停權這個比例是\n\n08:19.958 --> 08:46.689\n那個比例大概我們是有一個估算是不是會後我們再提供給委員就有設定一個比例法令上明定謝謝之後我也很期待看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告因為你們有三次查核還有最後一次還沒做對我還有兩分鐘好下一個因為這是上禮拜很多委員會在討論的大家在討論是不是應該要新增一些國定假日可以幫我播一下影片\n\n08:50.975 --> 08:58.437\n這是吳斯亞委員的說法我也想知道我們勞動部部長的看法如何因為當然之前這才對嘛\n\n09:22.356 --> 09:43.831\n我想問部長因為我知道您以前是勞工運動出身的但是後來您也在勞基法的修法的時候有一個特別的角色啦所以我想知道說因為現在這個很多人關注這個新聞我們是不是應該要增加我們的國定假日不管是幾天一天兩天三天或是七天不知道您的看法是怎麼樣\n\n09:45.758 --> 10:04.576\n委員我想勞動部的立場在當時勞基法一例一休修法之後我們增加的休假日週休二日我們落實週休二日增加的這個休假日大概就是全年的總休假日是116天\n\n10:08.399 --> 10:34.651\n當時為什麼會拿掉那7天國定假日是因為要一致化的問題就是要公務員勞工跟公務員要一致化因為那時候發生了蠻荒謬的場景就是教師解勞工放假而教師沒放假這種狀況所以全部的人都在抱怨那時候我在行政院我記得當時林全院長被罵翻所以所有的朝野立委都要求這個要趕快修法拿掉\n\n10:35.291 --> 10:51.817\n對但是我們可以再更進步了嗎現在又過了好幾年所以這個之後本席還會在花時間跟您詳細的討論一下不過現在國際的趨勢這個國定假日加上特休日我們都是比別的亞洲國家差的\n\n10:52.817 --> 11:17.870\n不管是韓國或是日本或是新加坡新加坡的國定假日跟我們是一樣1112天可是他們做滿三個月六個月他的特休日是比我們多很多的那現在臺灣的工時也是OECD國家裡面第四高全世界第四高亞洲第二高那這個是一個趨勢所以我也想知道部長對於這樣子的趨勢的看法\n\n11:18.690 --> 11:32.571\n還是你覺得我們從勞基法修法至今可以不需要做調整我想當時2016年的一例一休的修法那到今天目前為止\n\n11:33.752 --> 11:46.987\n我當時其實特休也都是增加的委員當時對出入職場的勞工甚至那特休6個月以下就增加到3天這也在全世界也是排名前面的所以其實\n\n11:50.551 --> 12:07.390\n我跟您報告一下這個是我們跟其他國家特休的比較在我們這邊呢人力銀行統計起來臺灣的勞工平均12到15個月就要換工作可是我們要工作滿一年才可以有7天好\n\n12:08.522 --> 12:27.578\n新加坡跟我們一樣老公只要工作三個月第一年就會有七天可是我們要工作到半年以上才可以日本的話只要出席總日數達到八成以上就可以十天的特休所以我不知道部長口中我們比較進步是跟哪一些國家來比這個我也想知道\n\n12:29.708 --> 12:29.808\n陳菁徽\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.369,"end":18.086,"text":"請部長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝各位委員 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Plus婦女再就業獎勵以外，觀光署也有給他們補助，所以是兩個部會合起來補助他們，可是這個方案目前在進用人力上差強人意啦，這也牽涉到有沒有期待，就是落差的問題，我們能提供的人力跟他們要使用的人力落差的問題，這也是我們進一步要跟旅宿業更精進來討論的。"],["陳委員菁徽：再來我想請教部長的是，這是去年行政院8月通過的優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度，它是一個一年期的專案，這個專案其實花滿多錢的，有五億多，勞動部當時覺得有三個項目很重要，所以把它列為專案計畫，第一個是留用中階技術人力要變多，這剛剛您已經講了，第二是針對行蹤不明比例過高的引進移工來臺國外仲介公司辦理暫停，第三是要服務雇主及家事移工，並提供入境移工的指引，但是到今年，現在已經快要11月了，你們已經花掉了5億2,997萬中的2億3,009萬，現在還剩下一半多的經費，超過50%，總共是56%的經費，我想知道你再來要怎麼做，你是要兩個月大撒幣嗎？還是怎麼做？"],["何部長佩珊：這個我可以請署長來回應一下。"],["蔡署長孟良：跟委員報告，因為這個預算大部分是提供各部會在執行移工評估管理之用，他們有一些經費核銷上的期程，每年大概都是這樣，年底以前他們整個核銷的進度大概都會完成，執行率大概都可以提高到和相關預算……"],["陳委員菁徽：所以你的意思是，其實他們只是因為核銷的進度比較慢……"],["蔡署長孟良：對，因為期程的問題，只是這個原因。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以到12月其實這一年期的計畫就會結束了，對嗎？"],["蔡署長孟良：這個其實是每年例行在辦理的相關工作。"],["陳委員菁徽：可以。那我們來看一下你的這個執行率，第一、我覺得中階技術人力累積許可人數OK，因為有達到你的KPI，我記得你們本來是設定兩萬五，比較匪夷所思的地方就是你們針對逃逸比較多的仲介公司，確保外國仲介品質是0%，你一家都沒有抓到，一家都沒有發現，這是為什麼？"],["何部長佩珊：委員，目前有三家被停權。署長講一下。"],["蔡署長孟良：跟委員報告，這個規定實施之後我們就要落實，現在越南因為移工失聯的問題，已經有三家被我們停權了。"],["陳委員菁徽：你的報告要更新一下嗎？"],["蔡署長孟良：是，我們再更新。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，那我再補充一下數據，我們去年8月的失聯移工是8萬4,339人，等於100位移工就有11.3位失聯，最新113年9月是8萬8,881人，一年多了四千五百名逃逸移工，你現在做了這個一年期的專案，花了5億，抓到三家外國仲介公司，這有符合你原本設定的KPI嗎？"],["何部長佩珊：委員，這個部分主要是查緝的工作，查緝收容，事實上，我們今年還要花9,000萬給移民署，讓他們擴大收容逃逸移工數，我們剛剛才……"],["陳委員菁徽：你的目標應該是希望他不要逃逸，而不是擴大收容。"],["何部長佩珊：委員，其實我們現在比起疫情期間，失聯率已經下降了，現在才2%，之前疫情期間都是3%到4%。"],["陳委員菁徽：之後我也希望可以看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告。"],["何部長佩珊：好的。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為如果你抓到了這三家，可是他們逃逸的數目跟我們這一年逃逸的數目是差距很大的，那就不太合理，是吧？"],["何部長佩珊：我們來檢討。"],["陳委員菁徽：不然，我也想問你們是怎麼去追查到這三家的？你們不是應該是根據人數嗎？不是應該是設定多少人數以上的國外仲介公司，你們才會去找嗎？"],["何部長佩珊：對，是用人數來看的。"],["陳委員菁徽：那你講得出來這三家他們占了多少比例嗎？"],["蔡署長孟良：跟委員報告，因為我們現在是每三個月就會去稽核所有國外仲介，就是依照它的引進人數跟失聯人數的比例，只要達到這樣一個警戒值，我們就予以停權。"],["陳委員菁徽：這個比例是……"],["蔡署長孟良：我們是有一個估算，是不是會後再提供給委員？就是有設定一個比例，法令上明定。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，謝謝，之後我也很期待看到你們這個一年期專案的結案報告，因為你們有三次查核，還有最後一次還沒做。","再來，上禮拜很多委員會在討論是不是應該要新增一些國定假日，這是吳思瑤委員的說法，我也想知道我們勞動部部長的看法如何。","（播放影片）"],["陳委員菁徽：我也想問部長，因為我知道你以前是勞工運動出身的，但是後來你在勞基法修法的時候有一個特別的角色，所以我想知道，因為現在很多人關注這個新聞，我們是不是應該要增加國定假日，不管是一天、兩天、三天或七天，不知道您的看法是怎麼樣？"],["何部長佩珊：委員，我想勞動部的立場，在當時勞基法一例一休修法之後，我們就落實周休二日，全年的總休假日是116天。當時會拿掉那7天國定假日是因為要一致化，就是要公務員、勞工一致化，因為那時候發生了蠻荒謬的場景，就是教師節勞工放假而教師沒放假這種狀況，所以全部的人都在抱怨，那時候我在行政院，我記得當時林全院長被罵翻，所以所有的朝野立委都要求這個要趕快修法拿掉……"],["陳委員菁徽：對，但是我們可以再更進步了嗎？現在又過了好幾年，這個之後本席還會再花時間跟您詳細的討論一下。"],["何部長佩珊：謝謝。"],["陳委員菁徽：不過現在國際的趨勢是，國定假日加上特休日，我們都比別的亞洲國家差，不管是韓國、日本或新加坡，新加坡的國定假日跟我們是一樣，十一、二天，可是他們做滿三個月、六個月，特休日是比我們多很多的，而且臺灣的工時在OECD國家裡面，也是全世界第四高、亞洲第二高。這是一個趨勢，所以我也想知道部長對於這個趨勢的看法，還是你覺得我們從勞基法修法至今，可以不需要做調整？"],["何部長佩珊：我想當時2016年一例一休的修法，其實特休也都是增加的，委員，當時對初入職場的勞工，甚至特休在六個月以下就增加到3天，這在全世界也是排名前面的。"],["陳委員菁徽：我跟您報告一下，這是我們跟其他國家特休的比較，在我們這邊，根據人力銀行統計，臺灣的勞工平均12到15個月就要換工作，可是我們要工作滿一年才可以有7天特休。新加坡跟我們一樣，勞工只要工作3個月，第一年就會有7天，可是我們要工作半年以上才可以。日本的話，只要出席總日數達到八成以上，就可以有10天的特休，所以我不知道部長口中的我們比較進步是跟哪一些國家來比？這個我也想知道。"],["何部長佩珊：我在講我們初入職場6個月以上，每年就有3天的特休這個部分。"],["陳委員菁徽：是跟其他國家比，比較好？"],["何部長佩珊：當然，相對也算是前面的，前段班。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，沒關係，謝謝主席，我們之後再來討論，謝謝。"],["何部長佩珊：謝謝。"],["主席（林委員月琴代）：謝謝陳菁徽委員發言。","接下來請盧縣一委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":276,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-6","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","盧縣一","王育敏","邱鎮軍","蘇清泉","王正旭","徐巧芯","洪孟楷","林楚茵","陳亭妃","吳宗憲","鍾佳濱","楊瓊瓔","廖偉翔","張雅琳","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林淑芬","羅廷瑋","李柏毅","劉建國","楊曜","陳瑩","吳春城","涂權吉"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-10-30"],"gazette_id":"1139201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139201_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"請勞動部部長就「我國全時職位缺工概況」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139201_00004"}}}