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00:01:10,990\n我明確地問,臺水淨水廠如何避免原水濁度飆升導致無法穩定供水?這是第一個。第二個,臺電的緊急備處及人力調度的資源又是如何?臺電臺水委員如果以高頻來講的話,就是會在南華水庫上面去加強去怎樣?他會去,就是\n\n4\n00:01:13,122 --> 00:01:39,075\n臺水董事長來臺水董事長來跟您報告謝謝委員指針那我們會從那個南化聯通管調度南化水庫的鹽水大概一天可以調度40萬噸的水那我們還有侵水系統可以從臺南支援北高雄來做一些支援調度那我們高屏溪還有很多的\n\n5\n00:01:39,975 --> 00:01:42,677\n臺電緊急備署跟人力調度跟委員說明第一個事情是這個颱風看起來影響範圍會比上一個颱風影響大很多\n\n6\n00:02:08,939 --> 00:02:24,257\n那南部的部分就是基本的防災應變都做了調度的狀況是這樣我們已經把所有休假同仁的全部都叫回來然後都已經準備要做調度但沒有辦法像上次山陀兒山陀兒知道說他可能就是在南部\n\n7\n00:02:24,798 --> 00:02:37,738\n我們這一次會在判斷上面會再稍微晚一點人力資源上會再稍微晚一點那我跟您報告第二件事這一件事重要就是因為它影響範圍大而且看起來暴風要就是整個暴風圈要離開台灣已經入夜\n\n8\n00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:48,690\n所以這一件事我們也在想這入業之後的整個搶修我們要怎麼樣做因應這一次的颱風如果真的登陸然後它的影響時間如現在氣象署的規劃那對於復電來講他很可能要11月1號早上開始才有辦法全面展開如果他是入業以後才離開的話\n\n9\n00:03:00,041 --> 00:03:28,140\n那針對這個部長那針對第一線針對我上次兩個颱風我對於第一線的同仁臺電、臺水、中油的颱風搶救我是真的深感感謝也感謝部長的調度那這邊我也要請你們審慎研議針對這三個國營事業在颱風搶救或者是相關的緊急天災他在搶救的待遇跟危險津貼上是否要研議提高\n\n10\n00:03:29,344 --> 00:03:46,430\n還是三個董事長?國營師跟委員報告就是他對於搶修的這個危險的佳績我們大概在今年已經十月多的時候已經核定了就是會提高七成好來我們部長跟我們環境部\n\n11\n00:03:48,010 --> 00:04:17,397\n好來我針對SRF跟傳統焚燒以及SRF的全球趨勢以及我們目前一般的廢棄物的總量以及我國營運的現況以及本席有一些要求那本席是非常非常肯定環境部對SRF的推動那對於全球目前每年有21的廢棄物家庭企業的廢棄物只會增加所以如何轉廢為能這個環境部講得真好這件事情我是大大的肯定\n\n12\n00:04:17,837 --> 00:04:46,346\n但目前的執行上當然是還沒有達到那對於另外呢我們在世界銀行預估在全球垃圾總量到2050年即將達到30億噸也會比現在的2024年增加70%所以我們環境部為了達到台灣2050的淨零碳排去推動SRF的固定再生能源關鍵是在純化跟均質化\n\n13\n00:04:46,986 --> 00:05:12,923\n那如何用廢機物發電這件事情這跟經濟部有關來替代石化燃油就是燃煤嘛視為再生能源達到資源回收再利用及減碳好我們現況我們講到它的料源這個SRF料源的廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠好我們看上表這4年來我們的整個的回收量請看最右邊的那一行\n\n14\n00:05:13,703 --> 00:05:42,028\n我們10958.84的回收一直到112去年的58.31%也就是說我的回收再利用之後我的百分之平均百分之另外的百分之四十以上我把這四年當中沒有回收的我們回收率嘛我們的非回收率大概百分之四十一也就是這百分之十一將近五百公噸焚化爐式去化不再利用了\n\n15\n00:05:42,668 --> 00:05:49,096\n好,那這就是我們的重點啊。我們SRF要不要提高廢棄物的回收率,要不然就白白500公噸就浪費掉了。而且我還要這500公噸還要花電、還要花油再去進行燃化。\n\n16\n00:05:59,770 --> 00:06:02,133\n好,第二個呢我們的營運狀況目前你們也很積極的環境部做了66家SRF的廠商體檢18家使用廠48家的製造廠好,這48家當中呢其實都符合品質的這個要求但留下\n\n17\n00:06:17,408 --> 00:06:32,219\n這是本席有疑慮的留香的結果有18家未確實申報一家是完全未申報的那也就是說理論上最佳的狀況是我的48家的製造廠全部他的SRF的燃料標是要進到這18家的可是我卻有18加1是沒有的我掌握不到的那我本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去\n\n18\n00:06:44,628 --> 00:06:45,669\n我必須達到一千度欸\n\n19\n00:07:06,249 --> 00:07:24,363\n所以這19家18家1家我合理懷疑他到他去幫助了生殖能可是因為生殖能的燃點太低了他發電燃點太低他300度稻草就可以可以發電了那我就用1000度那這會變成什麼我奧黛西就沒有辦法管制啊這是多可怕的一件事情\n\n20\n00:07:25,043 --> 00:07:28,385\n好,戴奧星戴奧星這戴奧星是世紀之獨啊所以對我們對SRF的管制標準雖然叫這個歐盟無原格但是我們法規沒有這個完備所以這個環境部啊我是贊同你們剛才你的簡報當中行政指導直接提接提升為法律未接來作為SRF的這個規範但是你的規劃時程我希望能夠明確\n\n21\n00:07:51,681 --> 00:07:51,701\n實用廠\n\n22\n00:08:09,731 --> 00:08:23,039\n來這個經濟部要看了這使用廠18家行業啊這個全部都沒有用在發電用途第二個這個使用廠當中有4家排代澳新的排放是不合格哇這個太可怕了\n\n23\n00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:52,631\n好所以這邊具體要求經濟部對於發會維能經濟部對SRF使用場的建立發電的模式並進行輔導業者我希望有實際的時程規劃部長這您覺得要多久才會提供這是等一下你來回應第二個環境部您要把行政指導提升為法律未接我在這邊有三項要求你一定要給我納入第一個如何提高現有的廢棄物回收率\n\n24\n00:08:53,311 --> 00:09:19,074\n第二個,要求SRF的製造業者若是一般非自負的回收的分類跟分選提出有效積查SRF的產品品質的這個機制避免僥倖違法發生第三,智慧化管理,全時監控不用再用人力啦,你現在要去查它品質好不好藍點有沒有到1000,你去積查的時候都有你離開之後它就變沒有\n\n25\n00:09:19,614 --> 00:09:40,700\n所以就是全時監控用智慧化管理．SRF發電量與燃燒溫度的數據．已達成零代澳新的排放來經濟部跟環境部簡單回應報告委員我們大概要三個月三個月好那環境部對於你要提升這個作為位階而且先回答我你針對本集這三項在你的法規位階當中是不是應該要納入\n\n26\n00:09:43,221 --> 00:09:58,410\n有什麼看法?已經有列進了就是對於這一個原料來源的部分我們對於品質的規範要把它當作是一個燃料產品的品質規範它也必須要去做檢測跟驗證那使用端、使用廠它有引收標準那使用端這邊\n\n27\n00:09:59,691 --> 00:10:23,252\n委員所關心的我們可以信使連線的部分全部都要去跟環保局連線而且增加了帶耀性的全區物質像CO以及HCL的連線因為帶耀性的檢測是必須要到實驗室檢測沒有辦法即時那即時的部分就是在全區我們一定會把它列進來那剛剛有講到我們體檢的結果有4個帶耀性不合格的部分其實這些廠都是\n\n28\n00:10:24,253 --> 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來我針對SRF跟傳統焚燒以及SRF的全球趨勢以及我們目前一般的廢棄物的總量以及我國營運的現況以及本席有一些要求那本席是非常非常肯定環境部對SRF的推動那對於全球目前每年有21的廢棄物家庭企業的廢棄物只會增加所以如何轉廢為能這個環境部講得真好這件事情我是大大的肯定\n257837\t286346\t但目前的執行上當然是還沒有達到那對於另外呢我們在世界銀行預估在全球垃圾總量到2050年即將達到30億噸也會比現在的2024年增加70%所以我們環境部為了達到台灣2050的淨零碳排去推動SRF的固定再生能源關鍵是在純化跟均質化\n286986\t312923\t那如何用廢機物發電這件事情這跟經濟部有關來替代石化燃油就是燃煤嘛視為再生能源達到資源回收再利用及減碳好我們現況我們講到它的料源這個SRF料源的廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠好我們看上表這4年來我們的整個的回收量請看最右邊的那一行\n313703\t342028\t我們10958.84的回收一直到112去年的58.31%也就是說我的回收再利用之後我的百分之平均百分之另外的百分之四十以上我把這四年當中沒有回收的我們回收率嘛我們的非回收率大概百分之四十一也就是這百分之十一將近五百公噸焚化爐式去化不再利用了\n342668\t349096\t好,那這就是我們的重點啊。我們SRF要不要提高廢棄物的回收率,要不然就白白500公噸就浪費掉了。而且我還要這500公噸還要花電、還要花油再去進行燃化。\n359770\t362133\t好,第二個呢我們的營運狀況目前你們也很積極的環境部做了66家SRF的廠商體檢18家使用廠48家的製造廠好,這48家當中呢其實都符合品質的這個要求但留下\n377408\t392219\t這是本席有疑慮的留香的結果有18家未確實申報一家是完全未申報的那也就是說理論上最佳的狀況是我的48家的製造廠全部他的SRF的燃料標是要進到這18家的可是我卻有18加1是沒有的我掌握不到的那我本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去\n404628\t405669\t我必須達到一千度欸\n426249\t444363\t所以這19家18家1家我合理懷疑他到他去幫助了生殖能可是因為生殖能的燃點太低了他發電燃點太低他300度稻草就可以可以發電了那我就用1000度那這會變成什麼我奧黛西就沒有辦法管制啊這是多可怕的一件事情\n445043\t448385\t好,戴奧星戴奧星這戴奧星是世紀之獨啊所以對我們對SRF的管制標準雖然叫這個歐盟無原格但是我們法規沒有這個完備所以這個環境部啊我是贊同你們剛才你的簡報當中行政指導直接提接提升為法律未接來作為SRF的這個規範但是你的規劃時程我希望能夠明確\n471681\t471701\t實用廠\n489731\t503039\t來 這個經濟部要看了 這使用廠18家行業啊 這個全部都沒有用在發電用途第二個 這個使用廠當中有4家排代澳新的排放是不合格哇 這個太可怕了\n506320\t532631\t好 所以這邊具體要求經濟部對於發會維能經濟部對SRF使用場的建立發電的模式並進行輔導業者我希望有實際的時程規劃部長這您覺得要多久才會提供這是等一下你來回應第二個環境部您要把行政指導提升為法律未接我在這邊有三項要求你一定要給我納入第一個如何提高現有的廢棄物回收率\n533311\t559074\t第二個,要求SRF的製造業者若是一般非自負的回收的分類跟分選提出有效積查SRF的產品品質的這個機制避免僥倖違法發生第三,智慧化管理,全時監控不用再用人力啦,你現在要去查它品質好不好藍點有沒有到1000,你去積查的時候都有你離開之後它就變沒有\n559614\t580700\t所以就是全時監控用智慧化管理．SRF發電量與燃燒溫度的數據．已達成零代澳新的排放來經濟部跟環境部簡單回應報告委員我們大概要三個月三個月好那環境部對於你要提升這個作為位階而且先回答我你針對本集這三項在你的法規位階當中是不是應該要納入\n583221\t598410\t有什麼看法?已經有列進了就是對於這一個原料來源的部分我們對於品質的規範要把它當作是一個燃料產品的品質規範它也必須要去做檢測跟驗證那使用端、使用廠它有引收標準那使用端這邊\n599691\t623252\t委員所關心的我們可以信使連線的部分全部都要去跟環保局連線而且增加了帶耀性的全區物質像CO以及HCL的連線因為帶耀性的檢測是必須要到實驗室檢測沒有辦法即時那即時的部分就是在全區我們一定會把它列進來那剛剛有講到我們體檢的結果有4個帶耀性不合格的部分其實這些廠都是\n624253\t624614\t好,謝謝,以上。\n","txt":"有請經濟部長請郭部長\n委員長部長在正式進入本席的SRF的這個討論的當中針對我們康瑞颱風即將襲台可能進入我們再次的可能會再進入高雄所以本席想了解目前我們經濟部針對康瑞颱風的因應是怎麼樣我們開始要進入這個所有的這個籌備了這個即將啟動這樣的因應的這個做法\n我明確地問,臺水淨水廠如何避免原水濁度飆升導致無法穩定供水?這是第一個。第二個,臺電的緊急備處及人力調度的資源又是如何?臺電臺水委員如果以高頻來講的話,就是會在南華水庫上面去加強去怎樣?他會去,就是\n臺水董事長來臺水董事長來跟您報告謝謝委員指針那我們會從那個南化聯通管調度南化水庫的鹽水大概一天可以調度40萬噸的水那我們還有侵水系統可以從臺南支援北高雄來做一些支援調度那我們高屏溪還有很多的\n臺電緊急備署跟人力調度跟委員說明第一個事情是這個颱風看起來影響範圍會比上一個颱風影響大很多\n那南部的部分就是基本的防災應變都做了調度的狀況是這樣我們已經把所有休假同仁的全部都叫回來然後都已經準備要做調度但沒有辦法像上次山陀兒山陀兒知道說他可能就是在南部\n我們這一次會在判斷上面會再稍微晚一點人力資源上會再稍微晚一點那我跟您報告第二件事這一件事重要就是因為它影響範圍大而且看起來暴風要就是整個暴風圈要離開台灣已經入夜\n所以這一件事我們也在想這入業之後的整個搶修我們要怎麼樣做因應這一次的颱風如果真的登陸然後它的影響時間如現在氣象署的規劃那對於復電來講他很可能要11月1號早上開始才有辦法全面展開如果他是入業以後才離開的話\n那針對這個部長那針對第一線針對我上次兩個颱風我對於第一線的同仁臺電、臺水、中油的颱風搶救我是真的深感感謝也感謝部長的調度那這邊我也要請你們審慎研議針對這三個國營事業在颱風搶救或者是相關的緊急天災他在搶救的待遇跟危險津貼上是否要研議提高\n還是三個董事長?國營師跟委員報告就是他對於搶修的這個危險的佳績我們大概在今年已經十月多的時候已經核定了就是會提高七成好來我們部長跟我們環境部\n好 來我針對SRF跟傳統焚燒以及SRF的全球趨勢以及我們目前一般的廢棄物的總量以及我國營運的現況以及本席有一些要求那本席是非常非常肯定環境部對SRF的推動那對於全球目前每年有21的廢棄物家庭企業的廢棄物只會增加所以如何轉廢為能這個環境部講得真好這件事情我是大大的肯定\n但目前的執行上當然是還沒有達到那對於另外呢我們在世界銀行預估在全球垃圾總量到2050年即將達到30億噸也會比現在的2024年增加70%所以我們環境部為了達到台灣2050的淨零碳排去推動SRF的固定再生能源關鍵是在純化跟均質化\n那如何用廢機物發電這件事情這跟經濟部有關來替代石化燃油就是燃煤嘛視為再生能源達到資源回收再利用及減碳好我們現況我們講到它的料源這個SRF料源的廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠好我們看上表這4年來我們的整個的回收量請看最右邊的那一行\n我們10958.84的回收一直到112去年的58.31%也就是說我的回收再利用之後我的百分之平均百分之另外的百分之四十以上我把這四年當中沒有回收的我們回收率嘛我們的非回收率大概百分之四十一也就是這百分之十一將近五百公噸焚化爐式去化不再利用了\n好,那這就是我們的重點啊。我們SRF要不要提高廢棄物的回收率,要不然就白白500公噸就浪費掉了。而且我還要這500公噸還要花電、還要花油再去進行燃化。\n好,第二個呢我們的營運狀況目前你們也很積極的環境部做了66家SRF的廠商體檢18家使用廠48家的製造廠好,這48家當中呢其實都符合品質的這個要求但留下\n這是本席有疑慮的留香的結果有18家未確實申報一家是完全未申報的那也就是說理論上最佳的狀況是我的48家的製造廠全部他的SRF的燃料標是要進到這18家的可是我卻有18加1是沒有的我掌握不到的那我本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去\n我必須達到一千度欸\n所以這19家18家1家我合理懷疑他到他去幫助了生殖能可是因為生殖能的燃點太低了他發電燃點太低他300度稻草就可以可以發電了那我就用1000度那這會變成什麼我奧黛西就沒有辦法管制啊這是多可怕的一件事情\n好,戴奧星戴奧星這戴奧星是世紀之獨啊所以對我們對SRF的管制標準雖然叫這個歐盟無原格但是我們法規沒有這個完備所以這個環境部啊我是贊同你們剛才你的簡報當中行政指導直接提接提升為法律未接來作為SRF的這個規範但是你的規劃時程我希望能夠明確\n實用廠\n來 這個經濟部要看了 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04:46.346\n但目前的執行上當然是還沒有達到那對於另外呢我們在世界銀行預估在全球垃圾總量到2050年即將達到30億噸也會比現在的2024年增加70%所以我們環境部為了達到台灣2050的淨零碳排去推動SRF的固定再生能源關鍵是在純化跟均質化\n\n04:46.986 --> 05:12.923\n那如何用廢機物發電這件事情這跟經濟部有關來替代石化燃油就是燃煤嘛視為再生能源達到資源回收再利用及減碳好我們現況我們講到它的料源這個SRF料源的廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠好我們看上表這4年來我們的整個的回收量請看最右邊的那一行\n\n05:13.703 --> 05:42.028\n我們10958.84的回收一直到112去年的58.31%也就是說我的回收再利用之後我的百分之平均百分之另外的百分之四十以上我把這四年當中沒有回收的我們回收率嘛我們的非回收率大概百分之四十一也就是這百分之十一將近五百公噸焚化爐式去化不再利用了\n\n05:42.668 --> 05:49.096\n好,那這就是我們的重點啊。我們SRF要不要提高廢棄物的回收率,要不然就白白500公噸就浪費掉了。而且我還要這500公噸還要花電、還要花油再去進行燃化。\n\n05:59.770 --> 06:02.133\n好,第二個呢我們的營運狀況目前你們也很積極的環境部做了66家SRF的廠商體檢18家使用廠48家的製造廠好,這48家當中呢其實都符合品質的這個要求但留下\n\n06:17.408 --> 06:32.219\n這是本席有疑慮的留香的結果有18家未確實申報一家是完全未申報的那也就是說理論上最佳的狀況是我的48家的製造廠全部他的SRF的燃料標是要進到這18家的可是我卻有18加1是沒有的我掌握不到的那我本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去\n\n06:44.628 --> 06:45.669\n我必須達到一千度欸\n\n07:06.249 --> 07:24.363\n所以這19家18家1家我合理懷疑他到他去幫助了生殖能可是因為生殖能的燃點太低了他發電燃點太低他300度稻草就可以可以發電了那我就用1000度那這會變成什麼我奧黛西就沒有辦法管制啊這是多可怕的一件事情\n\n07:25.043 --> 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來我針對SRF跟傳統焚燒以及SRF的全球趨勢以及我們目前一般的廢棄物的總量以及我國營運的現況以及本席有一些要求那本席是非常非常肯定環境部對SRF的推動那對於全球目前每年有21的廢棄物家庭企業的廢棄物只會增加所以如何轉廢為能這個環境部講得真好這件事情我是大大的肯定"},{"start":257.837,"end":286.346,"text":"但目前的執行上當然是還沒有達到那對於另外呢我們在世界銀行預估在全球垃圾總量到2050年即將達到30億噸也會比現在的2024年增加70%所以我們環境部為了達到台灣2050的淨零碳排去推動SRF的固定再生能源關鍵是在純化跟均質化"},{"start":286.986,"end":312.923,"text":"那如何用廢機物發電這件事情這跟經濟部有關來替代石化燃油就是燃煤嘛視為再生能源達到資源回收再利用及減碳好我們現況我們講到它的料源這個SRF料源的廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠好我們看上表這4年來我們的整個的回收量請看最右邊的那一行"},{"start":313.703,"end":342.028,"text":"我們10958.84的回收一直到112去年的58.31%也就是說我的回收再利用之後我的百分之平均百分之另外的百分之四十以上我把這四年當中沒有回收的我們回收率嘛我們的非回收率大概百分之四十一也就是這百分之十一將近五百公噸焚化爐式去化不再利用了"},{"start":342.668,"end":349.096,"text":"好,那這就是我們的重點啊。我們SRF要不要提高廢棄物的回收率,要不然就白白500公噸就浪費掉了。而且我還要這500公噸還要花電、還要花油再去進行燃化。"},{"start":359.77,"end":362.133,"text":"好,第二個呢我們的營運狀況目前你們也很積極的環境部做了66家SRF的廠商體檢18家使用廠48家的製造廠好,這48家當中呢其實都符合品質的這個要求但留下"},{"start":377.408,"end":392.219,"text":"這是本席有疑慮的留香的結果有18家未確實申報一家是完全未申報的那也就是說理論上最佳的狀況是我的48家的製造廠全部他的SRF的燃料標是要進到這18家的可是我卻有18加1是沒有的我掌握不到的那我本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去"},{"start":404.628,"end":405.669,"text":"我必須達到一千度欸"},{"start":426.249,"end":444.363,"text":"所以這19家18家1家我合理懷疑他到他去幫助了生殖能可是因為生殖能的燃點太低了他發電燃點太低他300度稻草就可以可以發電了那我就用1000度那這會變成什麼我奧黛西就沒有辦法管制啊這是多可怕的一件事情"},{"start":445.043,"end":448.385,"text":"好,戴奧星戴奧星這戴奧星是世紀之獨啊所以對我們對SRF的管制標準雖然叫這個歐盟無原格但是我們法規沒有這個完備所以這個環境部啊我是贊同你們剛才你的簡報當中行政指導直接提接提升為法律未接來作為SRF的這個規範但是你的規劃時程我希望能夠明確"},{"start":471.681,"end":471.701,"text":"實用廠"},{"start":489.731,"end":503.039,"text":"來 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所以這邊具體要求經濟部對於發會維能經濟部對SRF使用場的建立發電的模式並進行輔導業者我希望有實際的時程規劃部長這您覺得要多久才會提供這是等一下你來回應第二個環境部您要把行政指導提升為法律未接我在這邊有三項要求你一定要給我納入第一個如何提高現有的廢棄物回收率"},{"start":533.311,"end":559.074,"text":"第二個,要求SRF的製造業者若是一般非自負的回收的分類跟分選提出有效積查SRF的產品品質的這個機制避免僥倖違法發生第三,智慧化管理,全時監控不用再用人力啦,你現在要去查它品質好不好藍點有沒有到1000,你去積查的時候都有你離開之後它就變沒有"},{"start":559.614,"end":580.7,"text":"所以就是全時監控用智慧化管理．SRF發電量與燃燒溫度的數據．已達成零代澳新的排放來經濟部跟環境部簡單回應報告委員我們大概要三個月三個月好那環境部對於你要提升這個作為位階而且先回答我你針對本集這三項在你的法規位階當中是不是應該要納入"},{"start":583.221,"end":598.41,"text":"有什麼看法?已經有列進了就是對於這一個原料來源的部分我們對於品質的規範要把它當作是一個燃料產品的品質規範它也必須要去做檢測跟驗證那使用端、使用廠它有引收標準那使用端這邊"},{"start":599.691,"end":623.252,"text":"委員所關心的我們可以信使連線的部分全部都要去跟環保局連線而且增加了帶耀性的全區物質像CO以及HCL的連線因為帶耀性的檢測是必須要到實驗室檢測沒有辦法即時那即時的部分就是在全區我們一定會把它列進來那剛剛有講到我們體檢的結果有4個帶耀性不合格的部分其實這些廠都是"},{"start":624.253,"end":624.614,"text":"好,謝謝,以上。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":138,"blocks":[["林委員岱樺：（9時39分）有請經濟部長。"],["主席：請郭部長。"],["郭部長智輝：委員早。"],["林委員岱樺：部長，在本席正式進入SRF的討論之前，因為康芮颱風即將襲臺，可能再次進入高雄，所以本席想了解目前經濟部針對康芮颱風的因應是怎麼樣？"],["郭部長智輝：我們開始要進入所有的籌備，即將啟動因應的作法。"],["林委員岱樺：我明確地問，台水淨水場如何避免原水濁度飆升導致無法穩定供水？這是第一個。第二個，台電的緊急備處及人力調度支援又是如何？請台電、台水回答。"],["郭部長智輝：如果以高屏來講的話，會在南化水庫上面去加強。"],["林委員岱樺：去怎麼樣？"],["郭部長智輝：他會去……就是……"],["林委員岱樺：來，台水董事長。"],["郭部長智輝：我是不是請台水公司來跟你報告？"],["林委員岱樺：來，台水董事長。"],["李董事長嘉榮：謝謝委員指正。我們會從南化聯通管調度南化水庫的原水，大概一天可以調度40萬噸的水。我們還有清水系統，可以從臺南支援北高雄來做一些資源調度。高屏溪還有很多伏流水也都會全部啟動，大概可以增加40萬到50萬噸的伏流水跟地下水備援，這樣就可以取代高屏溪攔河堰高濁度所減量抽取的部分，其減少的量可以由這些水源來做調度。"],["林委員岱樺：好。台電的緊急備處跟人力調度呢？"],["曾董事長文生：跟委員說明，第一個事情是，這個颱風看起來影響範圍會比上一個颱風影響大很多，南部的部分就是基本的防災應變都做了，調度的狀況是這樣，我們已經把所有休假同仁都叫回來，已經準備要做調度，但沒有辦法像上次山陀兒颱風那樣，因為之前是知道山陀兒可能就是在南部，所以我們這一次在判斷上面會再稍微晚一點，人力資源上會再稍微晚一點。","我跟您報告第二件事，這一件事很重要，就是因為它影響範圍大，而且看起來整個暴風圈要離開臺灣已經入夜，所以這一件事我們也在想，入夜之後的搶修我們要怎麼樣做因應？這一次的颱風如果真的登陸，且它的影響時間如現在氣象署的規劃，是入夜以後才離開的話，對於復電來講，很可能要11月1日早上才有辦法開始全面展開。"],["林委員岱樺：好。部長，針對上次兩個颱風，對於第一線同仁（台電、台水、中油）的颱風搶救，我是真的深感感謝，也感謝部長的調度。"],["郭部長智輝：謝謝委員。"],["林委員岱樺：這邊我也要請你們審慎研議，針對這三個國營事業在面對颱風或是相關緊急天災的搶救時，他在搶救的待遇跟危險津貼上是否要研議提高？還是三個董事長……"],["郭部長智輝：我請國營司來回答。"],["林委員岱樺：好，國營司。"],["胡司長文中：跟委員報告，對於搶修的危險加給，我們在今年10月多的時候就已經核定了，會提高七成。"],["林委員岱樺：好。部長跟環境部，針對SRF跟傳統焚燒、SRF的全球趨勢、我們目前一般廢棄物的總量、我國的營運現況以及本席有一些要求，本席是非常、非常肯定環境部對SRF的推動，全球目前每年有20億噸的廢棄物，而家庭、企業的廢棄物只會逐年增加，所以如何轉廢為能？環境部講得真好，這件事情我是大大的肯定，但目前在執行上當然是還沒有達到。","另外，世界銀行預估，全球垃圾總量到2050年將達到34億噸，會比現在、2024年增加百分之七十。所以環境部為了達到「臺灣2050淨零排放」的目標，去推動SRF固體再生燃料，其關鍵技術是在純化跟均質化，如何用廢棄物發電來替代石化燃料，就是燃煤，視為再生能源，達到資源回收再利用及減碳？這件事情跟經濟部有關。","現況方面，我們講到它的料源，SRF的料源包括廢紙、廢塑膠、廢纖維、廢木材、廢橡膠等。我們看上表是這4年來我們的回收量，請看最右邊那一行的回收率，109年是58.84%，一直到去年、112年是58.31%，也就是說，回收再利用之後，對於另外的百分之四十以上，我把這4年當中沒有回收的，我們的非回收率大概是百分之四十一，也就是這百分之四十一、將近500公噸是焚化爐去化不再利用的，這就是我們的重點，SRF要不要提高我們的廢棄物回收率？要不然這500公噸就白白浪費掉了，而且這500公噸還要花電、花油再去進行燃化。","第二個是營運狀況，目前你們也很積極，環境部做了66家SRF廠商的體檢，有18家使用廠、48家製造廠。這48家其實都符合品質的要求，但流向是本席有疑慮的，流向的結果是有18家未確實申報，1家完全未申報，也就是理論上最好、最佳的狀況是48家製造廠的SRF燃料要全部進到這18家，可是有18+1是沒有的、掌握不到的，本席就合理懷疑他到哪裡去？他會到生質能去。這個就危險了，生質能的燃點……我要用生質能……能夠讓它成為燃燒棒，只要300度就可以讓它成為有效發電效益。但是為了要燒SRF，必須達到1,000度，所以我合理懷疑這19家、18+1家去幫助了生質能，可是生質能發電的燃點太低，300度稻草就可以發電了，用1,000度會變成什麼？戴奧辛就沒有辦法管制，這是多可怕的一件事情！戴奧辛是世紀之毒。我們對SRF的管制標準雖然較歐盟嚴格，但是我們的法規沒有完備。我贊同環境部，剛才你們的簡報當中，從行政指導直接提升為法律位階，作為SRF的規範，但是我希望規劃時程能夠明確。","我們來轉廢為能，剛才是講到它的料源。有關SRF的製造廠，在這一個表當中，你們查出了48家的製造廠，百分之五十二到七十是符合的，百分之三十到四十八待加強。至於使用廠，經濟部要看了，使用廠18家全部都沒有用在發電用途。第二個、使用廠當中有4家戴奧辛的排放不合格，這個太可怕了！我在這邊具體要求經濟部，針對化廢為能，經濟部對SRF使用廠建立發電模式並輔導業者，我希望有實際的時程規劃。部長，您覺得要多久才能提供？等一下請你來回應。第二個、環境部要把行政指導提升為法律位階，我在這邊有三項要求，你一定要給我納入：第一、如何提高現有的廢棄物回收率；第二、要求SRF的製造業者落實一般廢棄物的回收分類跟分選，提出有效稽查SRF產品品質的機制，避免僥倖違法發生；第三、智慧化管理全時監控，不必再用人力，你現在要去查它品質好不好、燃點有沒有到1,000，你去稽查的時候都有，你離開之後，它就變沒有，所以就要全時監控，用智慧化管理SRF發電量與燃燒溫度的數據，以達成零戴奧辛的排放。請經濟部跟環境部簡單回應。"],["郭部長智輝：我們大概要3個月。"],["林委員岱樺：好。對於要提升位階，環境部先回答我，針對本席提出這三項，在法律位階當中，是不是應該要納入？有什麼看法？"],["沈次長志修：是，已經有列進了。對於原料來源的品質規範，我們要把它當作是一個燃料產品的品質規範，它也必須要去檢測跟驗證，使用端、使用廠有允收標準。使用端如委員所關心的，我們可以CEMS連線的部分全部都要跟環保局連線，而且增加了戴奧辛的前驅物質，像CO以及HCL的連線。因為戴奧辛必須要到實驗室檢測，沒有辦法即時。即時的部分就是它的前驅物質，我們一定會把它列進來。剛剛有講到我們體檢的結果，有4個戴奧辛不合格的部分，其實這些廠都是主要的上市公司，有一定的規模，他們一定可以透過改善來達標，所以我們一定會跟地方環保局全面來監控，謝謝。"],["林委員岱樺：好，謝謝。"],["主席：請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":314,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-9","speakers":["呂玉玲","林岱樺","楊瓊瓔","邱議瑩","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","謝衣鳯","黃健豪","邱志偉","鄭天財Sra 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