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00:02:05,118\n可以嗎?可以適用那第二個就是說我們初次循職的青年他有一個最高補助45000元那我想請問一下如果說我們原住民25我們要改善這個25到54歲比較低於全體國民的話你們這方面有沒有一個設計看是不是也可以沿用這方面的一個經驗因為你這個只有到15到29歲可是我們原住民是29到54歲比較低你可以\n\n6\n00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,963\n做做這方面的一個修正或者說計劃嗎\n\n7\n00:02:13,612 --> 00:02:14,793\n好,我請署長回答好嗎?好,謝謝\n\n8\n00:02:39,443 --> 00:02:56,511\n那我想請問就是現在有一個就業服務法第12條主管機關的試業務需要如果說有些縣市他的人口打到2萬人以上可以設置公立就業服務機構那我想知道你們目前的設置的情形我也請署長回答\n\n9\n00:02:58,580 --> 00:03:18,705\n對根文報告目前兩萬人以上目前全國是九個縣市那我們曾經跟九個縣市也會商過因為法律上是可以設那目前因為在這九個縣市大概現行就是說他們大概在整個服務量能的考量上是先設據點那我們現在是補助地方政府設據點但是目前已經有六個縣市包含這一個\n\n10\n00:03:19,965 --> 00:03:25,431\n臺北新北吼還有臺桃園臺中高雄屏東6個縣市已經設了原住民專屬的就業服務據點\n\n11\n00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:53,806\n跟我們主要就是請我們原住民的就因為他有他的一個專屬性所以我們是請地方的優先是以原住民來提供這樣的服務人力的補助大概依照我們目前的這個人力的大概就是業務輔導員大概3萬每天都要3萬7左右以上\n\n12\n00:03:54,446 --> 00:04:11,316\n那我想請問就現在已經在錄用的就是同意這邊有寫同意補助3名業務督導員25名業務輔導員我想知道他怎麼禁用的是用考試還是用什麼基本上這個是由地方政府他們有一些人員的禁用的程序那目前大部分都是禁用原住民身份\n\n13\n00:04:11,707 --> 00:04:40,754\n我知道可是我想知道他的經用方式因為上次我們研究民主委員會被質疑他們的族群委員全部都是他們民進黨的黨工不然就是民進黨的公職人員沒有選上的然後變成族群委員我想知道這個現在這個業務督導員跟25名的輔導員他的經用方式到最後一查又是他們競選的他們對他們有功勞的人那我想說是不是有一個考試的平台還是經用的方式\n\n14\n00:04:41,415 --> 00:04:44,646\n你們可以一個有一個規範嗎有地方政府\n\n15\n00:04:46,353 --> 00:05:11,288\n我們會提醒地方政府因為他地方政府的用人的程序他有一個人員的甄選我希望是專業優先而不是用類似像另外的一種酬用的方式你放心這個我們都是讓地方政府公平公正公開去處理的那其實現在地方政府多數都是在野黨執政不是因為我在屏東屏東是民進黨執政\n\n16\n00:05:13,030 --> 00:05:23,143\n我們的照服員還照服員有一些工作還是去幫收紅白包的而且是在那邊收禮台的他都是民進這在做服務民進黨的事情好不好謝謝\n\n17\n00:05:25,011 --> 00:05:48,398\n好對針對移工來說我們希望因為我們常常跟移工的工作是性質是接近的所以我想說是不是有一個平台可以跟原民會溝通跟原民會溝通移工嗎對啊因為移工可能會當然其實委員其實我們在開放移工的時候我們也會邀請原民會來跟我們跨國力勞動力政策諮詢小組一起討論的\n\n18\n00:05:49,418 --> 00:06:11,653\n我的意思就是說我們的工作可能也會被移工搶走所以這個部分在原理上面我們會考慮這個部分其實我們在服務業方面的移工一直我們都很謹慎就是這個因素我們有考慮原住民的這邊就業的問題我想還有一個是我想知道是針對老化的這個過程裡面有沒有什麼一些新的想法\n\n19\n00:06:13,286 --> 00:06:39,675\n是現在中高齡就業是我們主推的項目那麼我們也預計希望在每年增加10萬的中高齡勞動力人口這個是我們現在的工作目標好那我昨天看一些新聞有看到我們現在連炸雞店都找不到人那已經月薪到6萬之前都講說缺工是在傳統產業現在連服務業也缺工那你有沒有什麼對策\n\n20\n00:06:40,728 --> 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