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00:01:08,015\n您可不可以簡略說明一下比如說我們有一些水庫的現實的狀態跟整個防颱的準備可不可以請署長來簡要說明一下好是跟委員以及大家說明那這次抗熱颱風我們看到它的結構越來越完整\n\n4\n00:01:08,715 --> 00:01:11,297\n所以你們是什麼時候開始放水?今天嗎?還是禮拜一就已經開始在調節性放水了?\n\n5\n00:01:32,711 --> 00:01:34,813\n二、邀請經濟部部長．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響\n\n6\n00:01:51,015 --> 00:01:51,095\n蘇長,我想\n\n7\n00:02:11,649 --> 00:02:32,436\n我會特別問就是說因為這一次的訪台應該是全台警戒所以你水利署掌管全台的這一些河川、水庫等等所以我希望是不是能夠也請水利署的同仁再辛苦一點包括在今天下午中午以前是不是把所有的抽水站的機組、設備等等都做重新的檢視一遍\n\n8\n00:02:35,777 --> 00:02:59,336\n以防萬一有大雨的時候這個抽水機不要有臨時故障的情況發生這個部分我可能要請水利署的同仁多辛苦那包括剛剛包括這個台電啦、台水啦等等每一次救災的時候都是你們都在第一線這個我可能也要請部長給予我們的同仁多一點衛冕然後也請我們的同仁在這兩天可能要特別繃緊神經好來署長您請回\n\n9\n00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:29,978\n來這個部長我想接下來大概就會跟您有相關是今天大家在討論這個所謂的SRF本來今天應該是經濟部的業務報告可是看起來現在大家對經濟部業務報告沒有那麼大的興趣都在談SRF什麼是SRF這個我想我就不用再特別再解釋再說明了那台灣現在的這些所有的使用廠SRF的使用廠環境部有去做過評比\n\n10\n00:03:31,499 --> 00:03:53,187\n大概九成是符合你們的這個九成以上的廠商其實是有達標的嘛沒有達標的這些部分你們現在在輔導他們在重新能夠達到這個政府的標準這個我想也是我們對於使用SRF的這樣的一個標準的檢驗甚至連空污的排放等等\n\n11\n00:03:54,451 --> 00:04:04,883\n那這些SRF的使用廠全台灣有這麼多家最近大家為什麼我們的招委會特別排這個因為在桃園就產生了問題嘛桃園現在已經有5家在運作的SRF廠\n\n12\n00:04:12,078 --> 00:04:37,212\n我也把它列出來了那最近被廢止的三家呢還沒有開始運作有的已經蓋好九成有的蓋好七成有的才剛剛在申請開發許可而已各個情況不一蓋好九成的那一家呢是美商我為什麼會特別要問部長就是說到底還沒有蓋好的你就說他沒有達到標準\n\n13\n00:04:38,325 --> 00:04:47,190\n那理由是什麼?已經扒給人家執照了人家蓋到一半了蓋到九成了已經開始要試運轉了你給他撤照撤照那美商公司還去申請國賠桃園市政府還給人家駁回\n\n14\n00:04:56,621 --> 00:05:08,069\n這個對我們來說這個產生的不是經濟因素是政治因素啊臺灣跟美國之間的互信基礎會不會因此受到很大的影響這個我待會要請部長來回答\n\n15\n00:05:08,922 --> 00:05:36,181\n那剛剛有委員就講說陶淵的蘇俊斌就講說因為你們的這個標準沒有達到歐盟的標準所以他要求要比照歐盟的標準剛剛邱議委員也特別問到環境部你的標準是什麼你的標準有沒有訂出來標準在哪裡來我給你看次長你們下次來做報告的時候不要只有文字啊\n\n16\n00:05:37,219 --> 00:06:00,603\n你的標準就在這裡啦!你的淨熱值是比歐盟還高啊!你的綠含量是跟歐盟相同啊!你的拱含量也跟歐盟相同啊!千含量歐盟沒有訂定但是你跟韓國是相同的啊!歐盟沒有的你比照其他的國家的標準歐盟有的你有的是跟歐盟一樣的標準有的是比歐盟還嚴這些東西你要能夠講得出來啊!否則委員問你\n\n17\n00:06:06,308 --> 00:06:34,436\n你啞巴吃黃蓮啊一句話都回不出來啊次長來說明讓您說明一下吧好謝謝委員我想那個剛剛委員已經把我們現在比照歐盟那歐盟沒有的標準我們比照像韓國他們有沒有列進來那我們未來還會去檢討說是不是還有加嚴的空間至於桃園市政府他們所提的這些建議其實要看他們比照歐盟的是你一定的發電量以上的時候用什麼樣標準\n\n18\n00:06:41,660 --> 00:07:03,795\n所以您剛剛的回答我白話文解釋就是說現在有的使用廠現在在桃園的這五家它的標準其實也都沒有到歐盟的標準因為它這是舊的廠了嘛對不對那你未來新的廠都還沒有蓋好都還沒有使用但是你們檢驗的時候你們要求的標準其實就是要比歐盟更嚴格\n\n19\n00:07:05,796 --> 00:07:18,786\n那舊的廠沒有到那個標準可以繼續用新的廠比歐盟更嚴格不能使用那這個邏輯我就不太懂了各位委員報告不是這樣子現在的使用中的廠都依照我們現在的規定我們現在比較是說依照現在的規定所以它是符合現在的規定\n\n20\n00:07:20,247 --> 00:07:21,407\n未來的廠是要符合比歐盟更嚴格的標準?\n\n21\n00:07:46,277 --> 00:08:07,722\n因為他們本來就是職場在使用煤炭那取代煤炭的使用有減碳的效果那陶園那新的三個廠其實是專門為了發電而蓋的當然這個部分我們要看地方政府跟居民要做好溝通要保護市民的健康也要考慮到陶園廢氣物處理的去化的問題\n\n22\n00:08:08,602 --> 00:08:32,095\n我想這個桃園的廢棄物的去化的問題這個是相對重要保護居民健康這個也很重要我們一直在談SRF剛剛我看到這個經濟部的簡報裡頭特別舉了瑞典的梅拉倫湖發電廠部長我不曉得您有沒有去過那裡或者是您對這個東西有沒有徹底的了解這個是天下雜誌在2020年的報導\n\n23\n00:08:35,629 --> 00:08:57,957\n梅拉倫的發電廠過去也是燃煤的他後來在2014年開始慢慢的把燃煤改成燃燒林業廢棄物現在他的所有的燃煤廠已經改燒廢棄物生活廢棄物或者是木質的廢棄物也就是說他把很多東西也做成SRF來燃燒發電\n\n24\n00:08:59,878 --> 00:09:17,692\n所以就減碳量就不燃煤減碳量來說這個在你們的報告裡頭都寫得非常的清楚我認為應該要重新定義或者是說要把SRF對於環境所造成的影響減少排碳量減少的這個區塊\n\n25\n00:09:19,573 --> 00:09:36,398\n應該要去做詳細的說明如果環境部願意加嚴管制的話我覺得不要讓SRF的這個SRF廠跟SRF的發電廠變成被污名化而造成台灣很多的廢棄物去化\n\n26\n00:09:37,318 --> 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這個部長我想接下來大概就會跟您有相關是今天大家在討論這個所謂的SRF本來今天應該是經濟部的業務報告可是看起來現在大家對經濟部業務報告沒有那麼大的興趣都在談SRF什麼是SRF這個我想我就不用再特別再解釋再說明了那台灣現在的這些所有的使用廠SRF的使用廠環境部有去做過評比\n211499\t233187\t大概九成是符合你們的這個九成以上的廠商其實是有達標的嘛沒有達標的這些部分你們現在在輔導他們在重新能夠達到這個政府的標準這個我想也是我們對於使用SRF的這樣的一個標準的檢驗甚至連空污的排放等等\n234451\t244883\t那這些SRF的使用廠全台灣有這麼多家最近大家為什麼我們的招委會特別排這個因為在桃園就產生了問題嘛桃園現在已經有5家在運作的SRF廠\n252078\t277212\t我也把它列出來了那最近被廢止的三家呢還沒有開始運作有的已經蓋好九成有的蓋好七成有的才剛剛在申請開發許可而已各個情況不一蓋好九成的那一家呢是美商我為什麼會特別要問部長就是說到底還沒有蓋好的你就說他沒有達到標準\n278325\t287190\t那理由是什麼?已經扒給人家執照了人家蓋到一半了蓋到九成了已經開始要試運轉了你給他撤照撤照那美商公司還去申請國賠桃園市政府還給人家駁回\n296621\t308069\t這個對我們來說 這個產生的不是經濟因素 是政治因素啊臺灣跟美國之間的互信基礎 會不會因此受到很大的影響這個我待會要請部長來回答\n308922\t336181\t那剛剛有委員就講說陶淵的蘇俊斌就講說因為你們的這個標準沒有達到歐盟的標準所以他要求要比照歐盟的標準剛剛邱議委員也特別問到環境部你的標準是什麼你的標準有沒有訂出來標準在哪裡來我給你看次長你們下次來做報告的時候不要只有文字啊\n337219\t360603\t你的標準就在這裡啦!你的淨熱值是比歐盟還高啊!你的綠含量是跟歐盟相同啊!你的拱含量也跟歐盟相同啊!千含量歐盟沒有訂定但是你跟韓國是相同的啊!歐盟沒有的你比照其他的國家的標準歐盟有的你有的是跟歐盟一樣的標準有的是比歐盟還嚴這些東西你要能夠講得出來啊!否則委員問你\n366308\t394436\t你啞巴吃黃蓮啊一句話都回不出來啊次長來說明讓您說明一下吧好謝謝委員我想那個剛剛委員已經把我們現在比照歐盟那歐盟沒有的標準我們比照像韓國他們有沒有列進來那我們未來還會去檢討說是不是還有加嚴的空間至於桃園市政府他們所提的這些建議其實要看他們比照歐盟的是你一定的發電量以上的時候用什麼樣標準\n401660\t423795\t所以您剛剛的回答我白話文解釋就是說現在有的使用廠現在在桃園的這五家它的標準其實也都沒有到歐盟的標準因為它這是舊的廠了嘛 對不對那你未來新的廠都還沒有蓋好都還沒有使用但是你們檢驗的時候你們要求的標準其實就是要比歐盟更嚴格\n425796\t438786\t那舊的廠沒有到那個標準可以繼續用新的廠比歐盟更嚴格不能使用那這個邏輯我就不太懂了各位委員報告不是這樣子現在的使用中的廠都依照我們現在的規定我們現在比較是說依照現在的規定所以它是符合現在的規定\n440247\t441407\t未來的廠是要符合比歐盟更嚴格的標準?\n466277\t487722\t因為他們本來就是職場在使用煤炭那取代煤炭的使用有減碳的效果那陶園那新的三個廠其實是專門為了發電而蓋的當然這個部分我們要看地方政府跟居民要做好溝通要保護市民的健康也要考慮到陶園廢氣物處理的去化的問題\n488602\t512095\t我想這個桃園的廢棄物的去化的問題這個是相對重要保護居民健康這個也很重要我們一直在談SRF剛剛我看到這個經濟部的簡報裡頭特別舉了瑞典的梅拉倫湖發電廠部長我不曉得您有沒有去過那裡或者是您對這個東西有沒有徹底的了解這個是天下雜誌在2020年的報導\n515629\t537957\t梅拉倫的發電廠過去也是燃煤的他後來在2014年開始慢慢的把燃煤改成燃燒林業廢棄物現在他的所有的燃煤廠已經改燒廢棄物生活廢棄物或者是木質的廢棄物也就是說他把很多東西也做成SRF來燃燒發電\n539878\t557692\t所以就減碳量就不燃煤減碳量來說這個在你們的報告裡頭都寫得非常的清楚我認為應該要重新定義或者是說要把SRF對於環境所造成的影響減少排碳量減少的這個區塊\n559573\t576398\t應該要去做詳細的說明如果環境部願意加嚴管制的話我覺得不要讓SRF的這個SRF廠跟SRF的發電廠變成被污名化而造成台灣很多的廢棄物去化\n577318\t580700\t是,完全同意。我回去以後會跟環境部,我們就委員所指導的這個方向來收集資料,然後來定義這個新的這個模式。\n599051\t605827\t另外就是說我剛剛提到一個問題還沒有時間讓您回答就是關於跟美國美商之間的這一個\n610095\t634300\t經濟糾紛、貿易糾紛、官司糾紛的問題我認為經濟部應該要好好處理我們會深刻反省這個政權或者是政策政權可以輪替政策是延續所以不能貿然因為現在的市長不同人你就把過去的徐可汗把人家廢止已經蓋好了人家已經蓋好了而且是國外的投資商我聽說這個AIT也\n638686\t642958\t也非常關心這件事情所以我想這個經濟部應該好好的去處理這件事\n","txt":"謝謝主席我先請一下這個水利署署長請賴署長那個郭部長喝口水以後也可以上來\n請郭部長\n您可不可以簡略說明一下比如說我們有一些水庫的現實的狀態跟整個防颱的準備可不可以請署長來簡要說明一下好是跟委員以及大家說明那這次抗熱颱風我們看到它的結構越來越完整\n所以你們是什麼時候開始放水?今天嗎?還是禮拜一就已經開始在調節性放水了?\n二、邀請經濟部部長．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響\n蘇長,我想\n我會特別問就是說因為這一次的訪台應該是全台警戒所以你水利署掌管全台的這一些河川、水庫等等所以我希望是不是能夠也請水利署的同仁再辛苦一點包括在今天下午中午以前是不是把所有的抽水站的機組、設備等等都做重新的檢視一遍\n以防萬一有大雨的時候這個抽水機不要有臨時故障的情況發生這個部分我可能要請水利署的同仁多辛苦那包括剛剛包括這個台電啦、台水啦等等每一次救災的時候都是你們都在第一線這個我可能也要請部長給予我們的同仁多一點衛冕然後也請我們的同仁在這兩天可能要特別繃緊神經好來署長您請回\n來 這個部長我想接下來大概就會跟您有相關是今天大家在討論這個所謂的SRF本來今天應該是經濟部的業務報告可是看起來現在大家對經濟部業務報告沒有那麼大的興趣都在談SRF什麼是SRF這個我想我就不用再特別再解釋再說明了那台灣現在的這些所有的使用廠SRF的使用廠環境部有去做過評比\n大概九成是符合你們的這個九成以上的廠商其實是有達標的嘛沒有達標的這些部分你們現在在輔導他們在重新能夠達到這個政府的標準這個我想也是我們對於使用SRF的這樣的一個標準的檢驗甚至連空污的排放等等\n那這些SRF的使用廠全台灣有這麼多家最近大家為什麼我們的招委會特別排這個因為在桃園就產生了問題嘛桃園現在已經有5家在運作的SRF廠\n我也把它列出來了那最近被廢止的三家呢還沒有開始運作有的已經蓋好九成有的蓋好七成有的才剛剛在申請開發許可而已各個情況不一蓋好九成的那一家呢是美商我為什麼會特別要問部長就是說到底還沒有蓋好的你就說他沒有達到標準\n那理由是什麼?已經扒給人家執照了人家蓋到一半了蓋到九成了已經開始要試運轉了你給他撤照撤照那美商公司還去申請國賠桃園市政府還給人家駁回\n這個對我們來說 這個產生的不是經濟因素 是政治因素啊臺灣跟美國之間的互信基礎 會不會因此受到很大的影響這個我待會要請部長來回答\n那剛剛有委員就講說陶淵的蘇俊斌就講說因為你們的這個標準沒有達到歐盟的標準所以他要求要比照歐盟的標準剛剛邱議委員也特別問到環境部你的標準是什麼你的標準有沒有訂出來標準在哪裡來我給你看次長你們下次來做報告的時候不要只有文字啊\n你的標準就在這裡啦!你的淨熱值是比歐盟還高啊!你的綠含量是跟歐盟相同啊!你的拱含量也跟歐盟相同啊!千含量歐盟沒有訂定但是你跟韓國是相同的啊!歐盟沒有的你比照其他的國家的標準歐盟有的你有的是跟歐盟一樣的標準有的是比歐盟還嚴這些東西你要能夠講得出來啊!否則委員問你\n你啞巴吃黃蓮啊一句話都回不出來啊次長來說明讓您說明一下吧好謝謝委員我想那個剛剛委員已經把我們現在比照歐盟那歐盟沒有的標準我們比照像韓國他們有沒有列進來那我們未來還會去檢討說是不是還有加嚴的空間至於桃園市政府他們所提的這些建議其實要看他們比照歐盟的是你一定的發電量以上的時候用什麼樣標準\n所以您剛剛的回答我白話文解釋就是說現在有的使用廠現在在桃園的這五家它的標準其實也都沒有到歐盟的標準因為它這是舊的廠了嘛 對不對那你未來新的廠都還沒有蓋好都還沒有使用但是你們檢驗的時候你們要求的標準其實就是要比歐盟更嚴格\n那舊的廠沒有到那個標準可以繼續用新的廠比歐盟更嚴格不能使用那這個邏輯我就不太懂了各位委員報告不是這樣子現在的使用中的廠都依照我們現在的規定我們現在比較是說依照現在的規定所以它是符合現在的規定\n未來的廠是要符合比歐盟更嚴格的標準?\n因為他們本來就是職場在使用煤炭那取代煤炭的使用有減碳的效果那陶園那新的三個廠其實是專門為了發電而蓋的當然這個部分我們要看地方政府跟居民要做好溝通要保護市民的健康也要考慮到陶園廢氣物處理的去化的問題\n我想這個桃園的廢棄物的去化的問題這個是相對重要保護居民健康這個也很重要我們一直在談SRF剛剛我看到這個經濟部的簡報裡頭特別舉了瑞典的梅拉倫湖發電廠部長我不曉得您有沒有去過那裡或者是您對這個東西有沒有徹底的了解這個是天下雜誌在2020年的報導\n梅拉倫的發電廠過去也是燃煤的他後來在2014年開始慢慢的把燃煤改成燃燒林業廢棄物現在他的所有的燃煤廠已經改燒廢棄物生活廢棄物或者是木質的廢棄物也就是說他把很多東西也做成SRF來燃燒發電\n所以就減碳量就不燃煤減碳量來說這個在你們的報告裡頭都寫得非常的清楚我認為應該要重新定義或者是說要把SRF對於環境所造成的影響減少排碳量減少的這個區塊\n應該要去做詳細的說明如果環境部願意加嚴管制的話我覺得不要讓SRF的這個SRF廠跟SRF的發電廠變成被污名化而造成台灣很多的廢棄物去化\n是,完全同意。我回去以後會跟環境部,我們就委員所指導的這個方向來收集資料,然後來定義這個新的這個模式。\n另外就是說我剛剛提到一個問題還沒有時間讓您回答就是關於跟美國美商之間的這一個\n經濟糾紛、貿易糾紛、官司糾紛的問題我認為經濟部應該要好好處理我們會深刻反省這個政權或者是政策政權可以輪替政策是延續所以不能貿然因為現在的市長不同人你就把過去的徐可汗把人家廢止已經蓋好了人家已經蓋好了而且是國外的投資商我聽說這個AIT也\n也非常關心這件事情所以我想這個經濟部應該好好的去處理這件事\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.491 --> 00:26.296\n謝謝主席我先請一下這個水利署署長請賴署長那個郭部長喝口水以後也可以上來\n\n00:28.426 --> 00:28.586\n請郭部長\n\n00:50.721 --> 01:08.015\n您可不可以簡略說明一下比如說我們有一些水庫的現實的狀態跟整個防颱的準備可不可以請署長來簡要說明一下好是跟委員以及大家說明那這次抗熱颱風我們看到它的結構越來越完整\n\n01:08.715 --> 01:11.297\n所以你們是什麼時候開始放水?今天嗎?還是禮拜一就已經開始在調節性放水了?\n\n01:32.711 --> 01:34.813\n二、邀請經濟部部長．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響．及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響\n\n01:51.015 --> 01:51.095\n蘇長,我想\n\n02:11.649 --> 02:32.436\n我會特別問就是說因為這一次的訪台應該是全台警戒所以你水利署掌管全台的這一些河川、水庫等等所以我希望是不是能夠也請水利署的同仁再辛苦一點包括在今天下午中午以前是不是把所有的抽水站的機組、設備等等都做重新的檢視一遍\n\n02:35.777 --> 02:59.336\n以防萬一有大雨的時候這個抽水機不要有臨時故障的情況發生這個部分我可能要請水利署的同仁多辛苦那包括剛剛包括這個台電啦、台水啦等等每一次救災的時候都是你們都在第一線這個我可能也要請部長給予我們的同仁多一點衛冕然後也請我們的同仁在這兩天可能要特別繃緊神經好來署長您請回\n\n03:02.959 --> 03:29.978\n來這個部長我想接下來大概就會跟您有相關是今天大家在討論這個所謂的SRF本來今天應該是經濟部的業務報告可是看起來現在大家對經濟部業務報告沒有那麼大的興趣都在談SRF什麼是SRF這個我想我就不用再特別再解釋再說明了那台灣現在的這些所有的使用廠SRF的使用廠環境部有去做過評比\n\n03:31.499 --> 03:53.187\n大概九成是符合你們的這個九成以上的廠商其實是有達標的嘛沒有達標的這些部分你們現在在輔導他們在重新能夠達到這個政府的標準這個我想也是我們對於使用SRF的這樣的一個標準的檢驗甚至連空污的排放等等\n\n03:54.451 --> 04:04.883\n那這些SRF的使用廠全台灣有這麼多家最近大家為什麼我們的招委會特別排這個因為在桃園就產生了問題嘛桃園現在已經有5家在運作的SRF廠\n\n04:12.078 --> 04:37.212\n我也把它列出來了那最近被廢止的三家呢還沒有開始運作有的已經蓋好九成有的蓋好七成有的才剛剛在申請開發許可而已各個情況不一蓋好九成的那一家呢是美商我為什麼會特別要問部長就是說到底還沒有蓋好的你就說他沒有達到標準\n\n04:38.325 --> 04:47.190\n那理由是什麼?已經扒給人家執照了人家蓋到一半了蓋到九成了已經開始要試運轉了你給他撤照撤照那美商公司還去申請國賠桃園市政府還給人家駁回\n\n04:56.621 --> 05:08.069\n這個對我們來說這個產生的不是經濟因素是政治因素啊臺灣跟美國之間的互信基礎會不會因此受到很大的影響這個我待會要請部長來回答\n\n05:08.922 --> 05:36.181\n那剛剛有委員就講說陶淵的蘇俊斌就講說因為你們的這個標準沒有達到歐盟的標準所以他要求要比照歐盟的標準剛剛邱議委員也特別問到環境部你的標準是什麼你的標準有沒有訂出來標準在哪裡來我給你看次長你們下次來做報告的時候不要只有文字啊\n\n05:37.219 --> 06:00.603\n你的標準就在這裡啦!你的淨熱值是比歐盟還高啊!你的綠含量是跟歐盟相同啊!你的拱含量也跟歐盟相同啊!千含量歐盟沒有訂定但是你跟韓國是相同的啊!歐盟沒有的你比照其他的國家的標準歐盟有的你有的是跟歐盟一樣的標準有的是比歐盟還嚴這些東西你要能夠講得出來啊!否則委員問你\n\n06:06.308 --> 06:34.436\n你啞巴吃黃蓮啊一句話都回不出來啊次長來說明讓您說明一下吧好謝謝委員我想那個剛剛委員已經把我們現在比照歐盟那歐盟沒有的標準我們比照像韓國他們有沒有列進來那我們未來還會去檢討說是不是還有加嚴的空間至於桃園市政府他們所提的這些建議其實要看他們比照歐盟的是你一定的發電量以上的時候用什麼樣標準\n\n06:41.660 --> 07:03.795\n所以您剛剛的回答我白話文解釋就是說現在有的使用廠現在在桃園的這五家它的標準其實也都沒有到歐盟的標準因為它這是舊的廠了嘛對不對那你未來新的廠都還沒有蓋好都還沒有使用但是你們檢驗的時候你們要求的標準其實就是要比歐盟更嚴格\n\n07:05.796 --> 07:18.786\n那舊的廠沒有到那個標準可以繼續用新的廠比歐盟更嚴格不能使用那這個邏輯我就不太懂了各位委員報告不是這樣子現在的使用中的廠都依照我們現在的規定我們現在比較是說依照現在的規定所以它是符合現在的規定\n\n07:20.247 --> 07:21.407\n未來的廠是要符合比歐盟更嚴格的標準?\n\n07:46.277 --> 08:07.722\n因為他們本來就是職場在使用煤炭那取代煤炭的使用有減碳的效果那陶園那新的三個廠其實是專門為了發電而蓋的當然這個部分我們要看地方政府跟居民要做好溝通要保護市民的健康也要考慮到陶園廢氣物處理的去化的問題\n\n08:08.602 --> 08:32.095\n我想這個桃園的廢棄物的去化的問題這個是相對重要保護居民健康這個也很重要我們一直在談SRF剛剛我看到這個經濟部的簡報裡頭特別舉了瑞典的梅拉倫湖發電廠部長我不曉得您有沒有去過那裡或者是您對這個東西有沒有徹底的了解這個是天下雜誌在2020年的報導\n\n08:35.629 --> 08:57.957\n梅拉倫的發電廠過去也是燃煤的他後來在2014年開始慢慢的把燃煤改成燃燒林業廢棄物現在他的所有的燃煤廠已經改燒廢棄物生活廢棄物或者是木質的廢棄物也就是說他把很多東西也做成SRF來燃燒發電\n\n08:59.878 --> 09:17.692\n所以就減碳量就不燃煤減碳量來說這個在你們的報告裡頭都寫得非常的清楚我認為應該要重新定義或者是說要把SRF對於環境所造成的影響減少排碳量減少的這個區塊\n\n09:19.573 --> 09:36.398\n應該要去做詳細的說明如果環境部願意加嚴管制的話我覺得不要讓SRF的這個SRF廠跟SRF的發電廠變成被污名化而造成台灣很多的廢棄物去化\n\n09:37.318 --> 09:40.700\n是,完全同意。我回去以後會跟環境部,我們就委員所指導的這個方向來收集資料,然後來定義這個新的這個模式。\n\n09:59.051 --> 10:05.827\n另外就是說我剛剛提到一個問題還沒有時間讓您回答就是關於跟美國美商之間的這一個\n\n10:10.095 --> 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