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00:02:43,479\n是。\n\n10\n00:03:06,209 --> 00:03:19,225\n很擔心所以他們大概都會都會這樣子做是了解當然如果是真的颱風風雨非常大的話影響很很大的時候當然這種呃比較沒問題嘛那個那個\n\n11\n00:03:21,448 --> 00:03:24,691\n另外一個問題就是說當然颱風當天可以比照類似的辦理沒問題可是如果是輪大夜班或者是占班制的話就有一些困擾\n\n12\n00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:50,292\n在規範上是有它困難的地方\n\n13\n00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:21,895\n那如果在這種比較極端或者是不是那麼可以掌握的情況之下那僱主如果要求出勤或者是要做一些因應的話那勞工可以依法來因應這樣的\n\n14\n00:04:24,249 --> 00:04:40,054\n臺風降的前一天或後一天碰到相對比較困難的情形之下那這邊不曉得部長這邊有沒有哪一些可以提供的指引或是可以提供的一些準則給僱主或是給勞動朋友們做一個參考\n\n15\n00:04:41,124 --> 00:04:57,123\n是我們其實也有建議就是說不建議啦這其實也是指引啦就是說你如果遇到這種輪班的你一定要去可是你又遇到那麼大的風雨對不對這個可以透過勞資協商\n\n16\n00:04:59,406 --> 00:05:13,802\n公會或者是勞資會議那當然如果沒有勞資會議的你至少是勞僱雙方要講嘛對那你如果沒有講的話就又一定要求你要來這個勞工也是可以跟勞動局投訴的\n\n17\n00:05:16,205 --> 00:05:31,643\n所以如果說部裡面有出類似的指引的話那相對來講他們做勞資協商的時候就有一個好的根據我們來多宣導其實每次颱風一來我們都有宣導告訴他說颱風雨很大這你不可以隨便要求勞工一定要出勤\n\n18\n00:05:31,843 --> 00:05:47,477\n好因為我們下面看到一個數據有是的然後這個是透過我們行政院人事行政總處提供了一個資料過去20幾年來我們看到這個各個縣市因為所在的\n\n19\n00:05:48,558 --> 00:05:48,578\n移籃線\n\n20\n00:06:07,455 --> 00:06:33,302\n他們這些企業主或是勞工朋友們碰到比較多的颱風下他們的營運模式這邊不曉得部長或是部裡面有沒有針對這樣的這些影響多去了解看看因為這個會制定到未來政策的部分可能會隨著這些不同地方去掌握了解的話也許對於部裡面制定相關的準則會有一些幫助\n\n21\n00:06:34,382 --> 00:06:58,315\n好,我們來研究看看好嗎?是,好的,我們來研究看看。好,那再過來的部分就是,即使我們經歷過一次非常嚴重的這些疫情,那以後我們也希望能夠改善這個缺工的狀況,所以就有一個擴大方案。那個擴大方案裡面,勞動部所需要掌握的職長就是去\n\n22\n00:06:58,915 --> 00:07:27,277\n做這個專案的徵才還有如何能夠去把信念的內容可以做得比較好那這在那個時候是在2023年就是去年的4月27號頒布了這個就業方案那這個就業方案執行到目前為止我們看到的就是要事半一年投入10億元促進兩萬人就業當初定立的這個目標是這個樣子那其中有兩大的計畫\n\n23\n00:07:28,858 --> 00:07:56,990\n獎勵計劃一個就是缺工專案的就業一個是缺工專案的參訓獎勵計劃那我們看到的目前的成果部長可以參考一下在參訓的獎勵計劃的部分到目前為止其實執行的好像需要再加強那這個加強本身當然是繼續努力的同時那是不是當初在訂政策或者是執行內容是有需要麻煩部裡面再做檢討的\n\n24\n00:07:58,121 --> 00:08:13,797\n市委員我剛剛其實之前王議員也是問這個問題我也報告過就是顧主的期待跟勞工的期待之間的落差很大就是我們的尤其這個都是針對旅宿觀光業\n\n25\n00:08:14,838 --> 00:08:35,358\n是針對旅宿觀光業的缺工而去處理的那他們都希望要薪水要更低啦他們希望可是我們來這邊的勞工朋友他們對這樣的還都希望薪資要更合理一點啦所以這中間的落差很大那麼所以旅宿業他才會希望我們要開移工因為移工可以薪水更低\n\n26\n00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:58,965\n可是這也不是我們覺得合理的方向啦對所以這個就是我為什麼議會改善缺工擴大就業方案我要再來跟交通部好好的討論因為如果這個方案實在是也沒有很好的成效我們要怎麼來改進讓誘因更增加這是我們要來跟交通部一起共同努力的\n\n27\n00:09:00,030 --> 00:09:22,084\n麻煩部長可以再跟跨部會的這些研議讓政策落實可以有機會把它做得更好最後一部分就是今天的主題有關於我們如何針對於全國缺工尤其是這個全時的部分那其實昨天好像部長也出席了商總他們辦的這個相關的會議\n\n28\n00:09:25,545 --> 00:09:46,050\n那什麼時候有機會來舉辦這種比較屬於全國性的跨部會性的這些缺工會議已經有沒有定了期程或者是成績會到哪裡那會預計有多少部會的參與範圍那這部分可不可以部長也可以有一個簡單的說明\n\n29\n00:09:48,022 --> 00:10:14,316\n跟委員報告其實全國缺工會議並不是我這邊的想法跟規劃啦這當然是民間的期待啦這原來其實也是商總朋友們的期待不過因為昨天我們已經初步有聽取了商總的會員們包括這個各個服務業的各行各業的代表們的意見啦我想我們先來就這部分來好好的來探討跟處理\n\n30\n00:10:14,716 --> 00:10:39,348\n那麼至於是不是要有全國缺工會議這是行政院層級的事情對那麼也是有待院方的想法啦對這我目前我這邊沒有任何主動規劃的想法對瞭解所以如果有參與的話就麻煩部長能夠針對我們這個勞動的權益也能夠針對您的職長來多加以在會議當中可以跟各部會來討論好那就謝謝謝謝謝謝\n\n31\n00:10:43,538 --> 00:10:44,246\n謝謝王正旭委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8070\t10373\t謝謝主席 我們還是有請何部長\n14344\t37476\t部長好部長好謝謝早上您提供的這些簡報的資料讓我們知道目前台灣缺工的狀況我們到底是缺勞工或者是缺低薪的勞工這個可能裡面有很多的內涵還可以持續的討論那早上很多委員也提供很多意見給部長這邊參考那我就針對於即將到來的颱風\n41799\t55396\t大家其實都蠻關心的到底颱風架要怎麼放對勞工朋友的權益勞動權有沒有受到什麼影響這部分也先來跟部長跟市長來請教一下\n56897\t79447\t其實我們期待的就是針對於這個勞工朋友當他碰到颱風的時候上一次山脫颱風的經驗會讓大家很擔心到底怎麼樣精進我們這個天氣颱風這樣的天災對台灣的影響的同時那針對於在出勤的時候勞工\n80467\t104384\t要不要出警應該是以安全為索要這一部分部長其實也講得非常的清楚這是在9月30日的新聞稿就提供非常明確的一些期許或者是類似指引讓企業主或者是所有的勞動朋友有好的瞭解針對這部分應該怎麼樣來處理不過我們也知道其實公務員員碰到颱風\n105425\t123695\t當天如果沒有出勤的話,依照規定可以不出勤的時候,先奉是會照給。這是目前我們知道這個公務人員有這樣的保障。那勞工、勞動朋友如果沒有出勤的時候,那能不能夠比照類似的方法,或者是研議,盡量往這邊來有比較靠攏的機會。\n128537\t140653\t這部分不知道部長目前有沒有一些想法或者是如何能夠讓勞動朋友在碰到颱風尤其是有安全考量之下有沒有這樣方面的勞動權的一些維護\n141693\t163079\t是,二委員,其實您看喔,就是誠如您所說,這只要颱風一來﹖馬上就發新聞稿﹖然後提醒僱主﹖不宜扣當日薪資﹖對,就是﹖其實就是說我現在是沒﹖這個要立法強制規定比較難﹖可是我現在就是也是都暗示僱主啦,這是指引啦﹖\n163459\t163479\t是。\n186209\t199225\t很擔心所以他們大概都會都會這樣子做是了解當然如果是真的颱風風雨非常大的話影響很很大的時候當然這種呃比較沒問題嘛那個那個\n201448\t204691\t另外一個問題就是說當然颱風當天可以比照類似的辦理沒問題可是如果是輪大夜班或者是占班制的話就有一些困擾\n228370\t230292\t在規範上是有它困難的地方\n247370\t261895\t那如果在這種比較極端或者是不是那麼可以掌握的情況之下那僱主如果要求出勤或者是要做一些因應的話那勞工可以依法來因應這樣的\n264249\t280054\t臺風降的前一天或後一天碰到相對比較困難的情形之下那這邊不曉得部長這邊有沒有哪一些可以提供的指引或是可以提供的一些準則給僱主或是給勞動朋友們做一個參考\n281124\t297123\t是我們其實也有建議就是說不建議啦這其實也是指引啦就是說你如果遇到這種輪班的你一定要去可是你又遇到那麼大的風雨對不對這個可以透過勞資協商\n299406\t313802\t公會或者是勞資會議那當然如果沒有勞資會議的你至少是勞僱雙方要講嘛對那你如果沒有講的話就又一定要求你要來這個勞工也是可以跟勞動局投訴的\n316205\t331643\t所以如果說部裡面有出類似的指引的話那相對來講他們做勞資協商的時候就有一個好的根據我們來多宣導其實每次颱風一來我們都有宣導告訴他說颱風雨很大這你不可以隨便要求勞工一定要出勤\n331843\t347477\t好因為我們下面看到一個數據有是的然後這個是透過我們行政院人事行政總處提供了一個資料過去20幾年來我們看到這個各個縣市因為所在的\n348558\t348578\t移籃線\n367455\t393302\t他們這些企業主或是勞工朋友們碰到比較多的颱風下他們的營運模式這邊不曉得部長或是部裡面有沒有針對這樣的這些影響多去了解看看因為這個會制定到未來政策的部分可能會隨著這些不同地方去掌握了解的話也許對於部裡面制定相關的準則會有一些幫助\n394382\t418315\t好,我們來研究看看好嗎?是,好的,我們來研究看看。好,那再過來的部分就是,即使我們經歷過一次非常嚴重的這些疫情,那以後我們也希望能夠改善這個缺工的狀況,所以就有一個擴大方案。那個擴大方案裡面,勞動部所需要掌握的職長就是去\n418915\t447277\t做這個專案的徵才還有如何能夠去把信念的內容可以做得比較好那這在那個時候是在2023年就是去年的4月27號頒布了這個就業方案那這個就業方案執行到目前為止我們看到的就是要事半一年投入10億元促進兩萬人就業當初定立的這個目標是這個樣子那其中有兩大的計畫\n448858\t476990\t獎勵計劃一個就是缺工專案的就業一個是缺工專案的參訓獎勵計劃那我們看到的目前的成果部長可以參考一下在參訓的獎勵計劃的部分到目前為止其實執行的好像需要再加強那這個加強本身當然是繼續努力的同時那是不是當初在訂政策或者是執行內容是有需要麻煩部裡面再做檢討的\n478121\t493797\t市委員我剛剛其實之前王議員也是問這個問題我也報告過就是顧主的期待跟勞工的期待之間的落差很大就是我們的尤其這個都是針對旅宿觀光業\n494838\t515358\t是針對旅宿觀光業的缺工而去處理的那他們都希望要薪水要更低啦他們希望可是我們來這邊的勞工朋友他們對這樣的還都希望薪資要更合理一點啦所以這中間的落差很大那麼所以旅宿業他才會希望我們要開移工因為移工可以薪水更低\n516059\t538965\t可是這也不是我們覺得合理的方向啦對所以這個就是我為什麼議會改善缺工擴大就業方案我要再來跟交通部好好的討論因為如果這個方案實在是也沒有很好的成效我們要怎麼來改進讓誘因更增加這是我們要來跟交通部一起共同努力的\n540030\t562084\t麻煩部長可以再跟跨部會的這些研議讓政策落實可以有機會把它做得更好最後一部分就是今天的主題有關於我們如何針對於全國缺工尤其是這個全時的部分那其實昨天好像部長也出席了商總他們辦的這個相關的會議\n565545\t586050\t那什麼時候有機會來舉辦這種比較屬於全國性的跨部會性的這些缺工會議已經有沒有定了期程或者是成績會到哪裡那會預計有多少部會的參與範圍那這部分可不可以部長也可以有一個簡單的說明\n588022\t614316\t跟委員報告其實全國缺工會議並不是我這邊的想法跟規劃啦這當然是民間的期待啦這原來其實也是商總朋友們的期待不過因為昨天我們已經初步有聽取了商總的會員們包括這個各個服務業的各行各業的代表們的意見啦我想我們先來就這部分來好好的來探討跟處理\n614716\t639348\t那麼至於是不是要有全國缺工會議這是行政院層級的事情對那麼也是有待院方的想法啦對這我目前我這邊沒有任何主動規劃的想法對瞭解所以如果有參與的話就麻煩部長能夠針對我們這個勞動的權益也能夠針對您的職長來多加以在會議當中可以跟各部會來討論好那就謝謝謝謝謝謝\n643538\t644246\t謝謝王正旭委員發言\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們還是有請何部長\n部長好部長好謝謝早上您提供的這些簡報的資料讓我們知道目前台灣缺工的狀況我們到底是缺勞工或者是缺低薪的勞工這個可能裡面有很多的內涵還可以持續的討論那早上很多委員也提供很多意見給部長這邊參考那我就針對於即將到來的颱風\n大家其實都蠻關心的到底颱風架要怎麼放對勞工朋友的權益勞動權有沒有受到什麼影響這部分也先來跟部長跟市長來請教一下\n其實我們期待的就是針對於這個勞工朋友當他碰到颱風的時候上一次山脫颱風的經驗會讓大家很擔心到底怎麼樣精進我們這個天氣颱風這樣的天災對台灣的影響的同時那針對於在出勤的時候勞工\n要不要出警應該是以安全為索要這一部分部長其實也講得非常的清楚這是在9月30日的新聞稿就提供非常明確的一些期許或者是類似指引讓企業主或者是所有的勞動朋友有好的瞭解針對這部分應該怎麼樣來處理不過我們也知道其實公務員員碰到颱風\n當天如果沒有出勤的話,依照規定可以不出勤的時候,先奉是會照給。這是目前我們知道這個公務人員有這樣的保障。那勞工、勞動朋友如果沒有出勤的時候,那能不能夠比照類似的方法,或者是研議,盡量往這邊來有比較靠攏的機會。\n這部分不知道部長目前有沒有一些想法或者是如何能夠讓勞動朋友在碰到颱風尤其是有安全考量之下有沒有這樣方面的勞動權的一些維護\n是,二委員,其實您看喔,就是誠如您所說,這只要颱風一來﹖馬上就發新聞稿﹖然後提醒僱主﹖不宜扣當日薪資﹖對,就是﹖其實就是說我現在是沒﹖這個要立法強制規定比較難﹖可是我現在就是也是都暗示僱主啦,這是指引啦﹖\n是。\n很擔心所以他們大概都會都會這樣子做是了解當然如果是真的颱風風雨非常大的話影響很很大的時候當然這種呃比較沒問題嘛那個那個\n另外一個問題就是說當然颱風當天可以比照類似的辦理沒問題可是如果是輪大夜班或者是占班制的話就有一些困擾\n在規範上是有它困難的地方\n那如果在這種比較極端或者是不是那麼可以掌握的情況之下那僱主如果要求出勤或者是要做一些因應的話那勞工可以依法來因應這樣的\n臺風降的前一天或後一天碰到相對比較困難的情形之下那這邊不曉得部長這邊有沒有哪一些可以提供的指引或是可以提供的一些準則給僱主或是給勞動朋友們做一個參考\n是我們其實也有建議就是說不建議啦這其實也是指引啦就是說你如果遇到這種輪班的你一定要去可是你又遇到那麼大的風雨對不對這個可以透過勞資協商\n公會或者是勞資會議那當然如果沒有勞資會議的你至少是勞僱雙方要講嘛對那你如果沒有講的話就又一定要求你要來這個勞工也是可以跟勞動局投訴的\n所以如果說部裡面有出類似的指引的話那相對來講他們做勞資協商的時候就有一個好的根據我們來多宣導其實每次颱風一來我們都有宣導告訴他說颱風雨很大這你不可以隨便要求勞工一定要出勤\n好因為我們下面看到一個數據有是的然後這個是透過我們行政院人事行政總處提供了一個資料過去20幾年來我們看到這個各個縣市因為所在的\n移籃線\n他們這些企業主或是勞工朋友們碰到比較多的颱風下他們的營運模式這邊不曉得部長或是部裡面有沒有針對這樣的這些影響多去了解看看因為這個會制定到未來政策的部分可能會隨著這些不同地方去掌握了解的話也許對於部裡面制定相關的準則會有一些幫助\n好,我們來研究看看好嗎?是,好的,我們來研究看看。好,那再過來的部分就是,即使我們經歷過一次非常嚴重的這些疫情,那以後我們也希望能夠改善這個缺工的狀況,所以就有一個擴大方案。那個擴大方案裡面,勞動部所需要掌握的職長就是去\n做這個專案的徵才還有如何能夠去把信念的內容可以做得比較好那這在那個時候是在2023年就是去年的4月27號頒布了這個就業方案那這個就業方案執行到目前為止我們看到的就是要事半一年投入10億元促進兩萬人就業當初定立的這個目標是這個樣子那其中有兩大的計畫\n獎勵計劃一個就是缺工專案的就業一個是缺工專案的參訓獎勵計劃那我們看到的目前的成果部長可以參考一下在參訓的獎勵計劃的部分到目前為止其實執行的好像需要再加強那這個加強本身當然是繼續努力的同時那是不是當初在訂政策或者是執行內容是有需要麻煩部裡面再做檢討的\n市委員我剛剛其實之前王議員也是問這個問題我也報告過就是顧主的期待跟勞工的期待之間的落差很大就是我們的尤其這個都是針對旅宿觀光業\n是針對旅宿觀光業的缺工而去處理的那他們都希望要薪水要更低啦他們希望可是我們來這邊的勞工朋友他們對這樣的還都希望薪資要更合理一點啦所以這中間的落差很大那麼所以旅宿業他才會希望我們要開移工因為移工可以薪水更低\n可是這也不是我們覺得合理的方向啦對所以這個就是我為什麼議會改善缺工擴大就業方案我要再來跟交通部好好的討論因為如果這個方案實在是也沒有很好的成效我們要怎麼來改進讓誘因更增加這是我們要來跟交通部一起共同努力的\n麻煩部長可以再跟跨部會的這些研議讓政策落實可以有機會把它做得更好最後一部分就是今天的主題有關於我們如何針對於全國缺工尤其是這個全時的部分那其實昨天好像部長也出席了商總他們辦的這個相關的會議\n那什麼時候有機會來舉辦這種比較屬於全國性的跨部會性的這些缺工會議已經有沒有定了期程或者是成績會到哪裡那會預計有多少部會的參與範圍那這部分可不可以部長也可以有一個簡單的說明\n跟委員報告其實全國缺工會議並不是我這邊的想法跟規劃啦這當然是民間的期待啦這原來其實也是商總朋友們的期待不過因為昨天我們已經初步有聽取了商總的會員們包括這個各個服務業的各行各業的代表們的意見啦我想我們先來就這部分來好好的來探討跟處理\n那麼至於是不是要有全國缺工會議這是行政院層級的事情對那麼也是有待院方的想法啦對這我目前我這邊沒有任何主動規劃的想法對瞭解所以如果有參與的話就麻煩部長能夠針對我們這個勞動的權益也能夠針對您的職長來多加以在會議當中可以跟各部會來討論好那就謝謝謝謝謝謝\n謝謝王正旭委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.070 --> 00:10.373\n謝謝主席我們還是有請何部長\n\n00:14.344 --> 00:37.476\n部長好部長好謝謝早上您提供的這些簡報的資料讓我們知道目前台灣缺工的狀況我們到底是缺勞工或者是缺低薪的勞工這個可能裡面有很多的內涵還可以持續的討論那早上很多委員也提供很多意見給部長這邊參考那我就針對於即將到來的颱風\n\n00:41.799 --> 00:55.396\n大家其實都蠻關心的到底颱風架要怎麼放對勞工朋友的權益勞動權有沒有受到什麼影響這部分也先來跟部長跟市長來請教一下\n\n00:56.897 --> 01:19.447\n其實我們期待的就是針對於這個勞工朋友當他碰到颱風的時候上一次山脫颱風的經驗會讓大家很擔心到底怎麼樣精進我們這個天氣颱風這樣的天災對台灣的影響的同時那針對於在出勤的時候勞工\n\n01:20.467 --> 01:44.384\n要不要出警應該是以安全為索要這一部分部長其實也講得非常的清楚這是在9月30日的新聞稿就提供非常明確的一些期許或者是類似指引讓企業主或者是所有的勞動朋友有好的瞭解針對這部分應該怎麼樣來處理不過我們也知道其實公務員員碰到颱風\n\n01:45.425 --> 02:03.695\n當天如果沒有出勤的話,依照規定可以不出勤的時候,先奉是會照給。這是目前我們知道這個公務人員有這樣的保障。那勞工、勞動朋友如果沒有出勤的時候,那能不能夠比照類似的方法,或者是研議,盡量往這邊來有比較靠攏的機會。\n\n02:08.537 --> 02:20.653\n這部分不知道部長目前有沒有一些想法或者是如何能夠讓勞動朋友在碰到颱風尤其是有安全考量之下有沒有這樣方面的勞動權的一些維護\n\n02:21.693 --> 02:43.079\n是,二委員,其實您看喔,就是誠如您所說,這只要颱風一來﹖馬上就發新聞稿﹖然後提醒僱主﹖不宜扣當日薪資﹖對,就是﹖其實就是說我現在是沒﹖這個要立法強制規定比較難﹖可是我現在就是也是都暗示僱主啦,這是指引啦﹖\n\n02:43.459 --> 02:43.479\n是。\n\n03:06.209 --> 03:19.225\n很擔心所以他們大概都會都會這樣子做是了解當然如果是真的颱風風雨非常大的話影響很很大的時候當然這種呃比較沒問題嘛那個那個\n\n03:21.448 --> 03:24.691\n另外一個問題就是說當然颱風當天可以比照類似的辦理沒問題可是如果是輪大夜班或者是占班制的話就有一些困擾\n\n03:48.370 --> 03:50.292\n在規範上是有它困難的地方\n\n04:07.370 --> 04:21.895\n那如果在這種比較極端或者是不是那麼可以掌握的情況之下那僱主如果要求出勤或者是要做一些因應的話那勞工可以依法來因應這樣的\n\n04:24.249 --> 04:40.054\n臺風降的前一天或後一天碰到相對比較困難的情形之下那這邊不曉得部長這邊有沒有哪一些可以提供的指引或是可以提供的一些準則給僱主或是給勞動朋友們做一個參考\n\n04:41.124 --> 04:57.123\n是我們其實也有建議就是說不建議啦這其實也是指引啦就是說你如果遇到這種輪班的你一定要去可是你又遇到那麼大的風雨對不對這個可以透過勞資協商\n\n04:59.406 --> 05:13.802\n公會或者是勞資會議那當然如果沒有勞資會議的你至少是勞僱雙方要講嘛對那你如果沒有講的話就又一定要求你要來這個勞工也是可以跟勞動局投訴的\n\n05:16.205 --> 05:31.643\n所以如果說部裡面有出類似的指引的話那相對來講他們做勞資協商的時候就有一個好的根據我們來多宣導其實每次颱風一來我們都有宣導告訴他說颱風雨很大這你不可以隨便要求勞工一定要出勤\n\n05:31.843 --> 05:47.477\n好因為我們下面看到一個數據有是的然後這個是透過我們行政院人事行政總處提供了一個資料過去20幾年來我們看到這個各個縣市因為所在的\n\n05:48.558 --> 05:48.578\n移籃線\n\n06:07.455 --> 06:33.302\n他們這些企業主或是勞工朋友們碰到比較多的颱風下他們的營運模式這邊不曉得部長或是部裡面有沒有針對這樣的這些影響多去了解看看因為這個會制定到未來政策的部分可能會隨著這些不同地方去掌握了解的話也許對於部裡面制定相關的準則會有一些幫助\n\n06:34.382 --> 06:58.315\n好,我們來研究看看好嗎?是,好的,我們來研究看看。好,那再過來的部分就是,即使我們經歷過一次非常嚴重的這些疫情,那以後我們也希望能夠改善這個缺工的狀況,所以就有一個擴大方案。那個擴大方案裡面,勞動部所需要掌握的職長就是去\n\n06:58.915 --> 07:27.277\n做這個專案的徵才還有如何能夠去把信念的內容可以做得比較好那這在那個時候是在2023年就是去年的4月27號頒布了這個就業方案那這個就業方案執行到目前為止我們看到的就是要事半一年投入10億元促進兩萬人就業當初定立的這個目標是這個樣子那其中有兩大的計畫\n\n07:28.858 --> 07:56.990\n獎勵計劃一個就是缺工專案的就業一個是缺工專案的參訓獎勵計劃那我們看到的目前的成果部長可以參考一下在參訓的獎勵計劃的部分到目前為止其實執行的好像需要再加強那這個加強本身當然是繼續努力的同時那是不是當初在訂政策或者是執行內容是有需要麻煩部裡面再做檢討的\n\n07:58.121 --> 08:13.797\n市委員我剛剛其實之前王議員也是問這個問題我也報告過就是顧主的期待跟勞工的期待之間的落差很大就是我們的尤其這個都是針對旅宿觀光業\n\n08:14.838 --> 08:35.358\n是針對旅宿觀光業的缺工而去處理的那他們都希望要薪水要更低啦他們希望可是我們來這邊的勞工朋友他們對這樣的還都希望薪資要更合理一點啦所以這中間的落差很大那麼所以旅宿業他才會希望我們要開移工因為移工可以薪水更低\n\n08:36.059 --> 08:58.965\n可是這也不是我們覺得合理的方向啦對所以這個就是我為什麼議會改善缺工擴大就業方案我要再來跟交通部好好的討論因為如果這個方案實在是也沒有很好的成效我們要怎麼來改進讓誘因更增加這是我們要來跟交通部一起共同努力的\n\n09:00.030 --> 09:22.084\n麻煩部長可以再跟跨部會的這些研議讓政策落實可以有機會把它做得更好最後一部分就是今天的主題有關於我們如何針對於全國缺工尤其是這個全時的部分那其實昨天好像部長也出席了商總他們辦的這個相關的會議\n\n09:25.545 --> 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