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00:00:58,368\n我們也有一些反制的做法比方說是用i喬卡那用i喬卡來攜手旅行業者推動國旅我想請問一下這個成效你滿意嗎\n\n4\n00:01:00,432 --> 00:01:19,366\n委員我們跟對岸的做法其實是很不一樣因為我們是自由民主的國家那我們是提供多元的選擇讓僑民跟僑胞回國的時候可以有更多選擇那我們是提供優質的這些旅行的路線\n\n5\n00:01:20,427 --> 00:01:31,092\n加上我們也有補助那我們補助當然是一個象徵性的但是為了鼓勵國旅包括尤其是在4月3號的地震之後我們為了加強花東地區的旅遊我們甚至做更加碼這個20%的補助\n\n6\n00:01:37,514 --> 00:02:03,264\n謝謝委員長這個我講你們的i喬卡的一些好處就是特約633家商店攜手34家旅行社規劃162條有路線推動國旅可是我發現i喬卡的官網搜尋旅遊景點這個非常凌亂阿他的網站的使用介面比方說我們來自嘉義嘛我搜尋嘉義他推薦的景區是嘉義海巡服務區你來嘉義要來我們的海巡服務區嗎\n\n7\n00:02:04,905 --> 00:02:06,347\n理由是什麼?\n\n8\n00:02:06,347 --> 00:02:29,326\n廁所可以解決廁所在哪裡這種擔憂應該不是這個理由啦當然不是這個理由嘛那我們就改進嘛好不好這就改進但是我怎麼會為了到一個去上廁所去洗澡的地方來到一個地方去觀光你去蘇路嘉義你沒有阿里山沒有帆路沒有竹崎沒有各大景點我們來嘉義的時候是去看阿里山嘛去看雲海嘛去帆路的市集園嘛去大埔的征服學部嘛\n\n9\n00:02:31,388 --> 00:02:31,809\n所以你連結到這個?\n\n10\n00:02:45,253 --> 00:02:46,193\n網路介面的部分\n\n11\n00:03:13,554 --> 00:03:28,676\n這個埃喬港國防軍連的網頁就是你點下頁永遠都跳不過去的問題這個我們來展示一下就是說這些很基本的東西那當然我們要再跟中國競爭這個旅遊可以啊可以跳下去啊對啊\n\n12\n00:03:31,926 --> 00:03:33,187\n再來就是我們的這個華文學習研究這個部分\n\n13\n00:03:58,882 --> 00:04:19,980\n這個其實全球學習中文的人口比例是在下降當中那當然在下降當中有很多原因我認為一部分是地緣政治就是現在基本上你去跟中國做生意就是很困難的那怎麼樣把學習華文這個東西跟去中國學中文就是把我們自己的品牌做出來我們當然是覺得很重要\n\n14\n00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:38,008\n我們從學習的經濟學人的報導裡面有講他說大概2013年選中文的美國的人大概達到高峰但是2016年到2020年就是下降21%所以說在這個趨勢當中是大概減少31%委員長你怎麼看這個趨勢\n\n15\n00:04:42,663 --> 00:05:02,829\n確實過去因為世界工廠在中國的概念很多人既進行投資因此有實用性的這個需求要溝通而去學了華語但中國雖然高度的在全球去做紅子學院這樣子的一個設置但事實上是在做大外宣跟統戰的機制這四年來已經被陸續各國都關閉了那關閉以後其實華語的學習人口的其實依舊在\n\n16\n00:05:10,851 --> 00:05:34,722\n那麼我們為什麼從2021年開始在美國及歐洲大力的去成立台灣華語文學習中心也是希望能夠跟我們國際朋友介紹說你就是可以在這個介面平台上不用有任何被統戰或者是政治的行銷的困擾之下你一樣可以學習到很好的華語所以我們在這個以台灣的這個優質\n\n17\n00:05:38,624 --> 00:05:42,746\n委員長講得很好其實就是沒有把意識形態貫注在華文教育這是我們跟其他人不同不會像中國的孔子學院或者是他們類似相關的這樣子的華文的教學裡面通常都把\n\n18\n00:06:02,358 --> 00:06:02,738\n社群媒體社群媒體\n\n19\n00:06:20,964 --> 00:06:24,706\n跟委員報告我們有一個1加6的這個官網的平台除了我們傳統的這個網站那我們另外6個呢就是我們僑務電子報YouTube推特就是XInstagram還有Facebook\n\n20\n00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:37,351\n委員長,我覺得這個方向是對的,但是那個你看一下,包含IG\n\n21\n00:07:01,187 --> 00:07:22,278\n除了委員會的官方帳號之後大概只有英國成立那僑委會的本身帳號也沒有去追蹤就沒有辦法造成串聯的效果是那這個甚至X都不用說啦其實其他的這些僑務秘書S跟Instagram是全英文的對對對很好很好啊我說彼此之間的互相追蹤是是是串流串流很重要我這個也是提醒同仁包含頻率還有這個是的\n\n22\n00:07:25,421 --> 00:07:45,789\n社交媒體要串流才會有傳播效益我認為這特別是在X是很重要的一環因為現在基本上中共的所有的訊息特別是錯假亂訊息基本上都在X這邊亂串如果我們沒有辦法第一時間來去反制那基本上就是只有他們的一言堂\n\n23\n00:07:47,870 --> 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這就改進但是我怎麼會為了到一個去上廁所去洗澡的地方來到一個地方去觀光你去蘇路嘉義你沒有阿里山沒有帆路沒有竹崎沒有各大景點我們來嘉義的時候是去看阿里山嘛去看雲海嘛去帆路的市集園嘛去大埔的征服學部嘛\n所以你連結到這個?\n網路介面的部分\n這個埃喬港國防軍連的網頁就是你點下頁永遠都跳不過去的問題這個我們來展示一下就是說這些很基本的東西那當然我們要再跟中國競爭這個旅遊可以啊可以跳下去啊對啊\n再來就是我們的這個華文學習研究這個部分\n這個其實全球學習中文的人口比例是在下降當中那當然在下降當中有很多原因我認為一部分是地緣政治就是現在基本上你去跟中國做生意就是很困難的那怎麼樣把學習華文這個東西跟去中國學中文就是把我們自己的品牌做出來我們當然是覺得很重要\n我們從學習的經濟學人的報導裡面有講他說大概2013年選中文的美國的人大概達到高峰但是2016年到2020年就是下降21%所以說在這個趨勢當中是大概減少31%委員長你怎麼看這個趨勢\n確實過去因為世界工廠在中國的概念很多人既進行投資因此有實用性的這個需求要溝通而去學了華語但中國雖然高度的在全球去做紅子學院這樣子的一個設置但事實上是在做大外宣跟統戰的機制這四年來已經被陸續各國都關閉了那關閉以後其實華語的學習人口的其實依舊在\n那麼我們為什麼從2021年開始在美國及歐洲大力的去成立台灣華語文學習中心也是希望能夠跟我們國際朋友介紹說你就是可以在這個介面平台上不用有任何被統戰或者是政治的行銷的困擾之下你一樣可以學習到很好的華語所以我們在這個以台灣的這個優質\n委員長講得很好其實就是沒有把意識形態貫注在華文教育這是我們跟其他人不同不會像中國的孔子學院或者是他們類似相關的這樣子的華文的教學裡面通常都把\n社群媒體社群媒體\n跟委員報告我們有一個1加6的這個官網的平台除了我們傳統的這個網站那我們另外6個呢就是我們僑務電子報YouTube推特就是XInstagram還有Facebook\n委員長,我覺得這個方向是對的,但是那個你看一下,包含IG\n除了委員會的官方帳號之後大概只有英國成立那僑委會的本身帳號也沒有去追蹤就沒有辦法造成串聯的效果是那這個甚至X都不用說啦其實其他的這些僑務秘書S跟Instagram是全英文的對對對很好很好啊我說彼此之間的互相追蹤是是是串流串流很重要我這個也是提醒同仁包含頻率還有這個是的\n社交媒體要串流才會有傳播效益我認為這特別是在X是很重要的一環因為現在基本上中共的所有的訊息特別是錯假亂訊息基本上都在X這邊亂串如果我們沒有辦法第一時間來去反制那基本上就是只有他們的一言堂\n委員長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.982 --> 00:26.568\n委員長請陳委員你好委員長好委員這次我們國軍有4000多個僑胞回國對那是疫後的新高是那這個我們當然是很正面這是代表說我們有做對一些事情是但是我們還有一場活動書面報告也有提到說中共的統戰\n\n00:27.588 --> 00:48.679\n推陳初心那還有什麼低價旅行團鼓勵僑胞附中旅遊然後甚至想要這個方式來去排擠我們來參加雙十國慶營造僑胞不想返台的假象當然沒有成功可是我看到我們僑委會他有一些方式就是針對他們用旅遊的方式\n\n00:49.119 --> 00:58.368\n我們也有一些反制的做法比方說是用i喬卡那用i喬卡來攜手旅行業者推動國旅我想請問一下這個成效你滿意嗎\n\n01:00.432 --> 01:19.366\n委員我們跟對岸的做法其實是很不一樣因為我們是自由民主的國家那我們是提供多元的選擇讓僑民跟僑胞回國的時候可以有更多選擇那我們是提供優質的這些旅行的路線\n\n01:20.427 --> 01:31.092\n加上我們也有補助那我們補助當然是一個象徵性的但是為了鼓勵國旅包括尤其是在4月3號的地震之後我們為了加強花東地區的旅遊我們甚至做更加碼這個20%的補助\n\n01:37.514 --> 02:03.264\n謝謝委員長這個我講你們的i喬卡的一些好處就是特約633家商店攜手34家旅行社規劃162條有路線推動國旅可是我發現i喬卡的官網搜尋旅遊景點這個非常凌亂阿他的網站的使用介面比方說我們來自嘉義嘛我搜尋嘉義他推薦的景區是嘉義海巡服務區你來嘉義要來我們的海巡服務區嗎\n\n02:04.905 --> 02:06.347\n理由是什麼?\n\n02:06.347 --> 02:29.326\n廁所可以解決廁所在哪裡這種擔憂應該不是這個理由啦當然不是這個理由嘛那我們就改進嘛好不好這就改進但是我怎麼會為了到一個去上廁所去洗澡的地方來到一個地方去觀光你去蘇路嘉義你沒有阿里山沒有帆路沒有竹崎沒有各大景點我們來嘉義的時候是去看阿里山嘛去看雲海嘛去帆路的市集園嘛去大埔的征服學部嘛\n\n02:31.388 --> 02:31.809\n所以你連結到這個?\n\n02:45.253 --> 02:46.193\n網路介面的部分\n\n03:13.554 --> 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