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00:00:50,863\n這是我們自己部內的調查。對。這是...會不會太美化數字了?因為感覺好像各行各業大家都哀鴻遍野找不到人。但是你在講6萬6千。那你又講說我們全台灣勞動人口有多少?目前。一千多萬啦。一千零...不止吧。沒有那麼多吧。勞動人口欸。\n\n3\n00:00:53,277 --> 00:01:11,746\n就你的缺工原因分析對不對你的缺工原因分析到2070年我國工作年齡人口只剩696萬那平均少了18萬人換言之你這樣子的意思就是說現在勞動人口差不多700多萬嗎\n\n4\n00:01:12,526 --> 00:01:22,576\n是不是?700多800是啊那我現在講是說那我們既然朝委會排這個案件這個專案討論那我們的缺工到底實則狀況是多少?\n\n5\n00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:41,736\n委員我跟您報告這個主要是我們詢問的定義是你過去6個月這個職位一直空著真的找不到人主要是定義不一樣啦所以他得出來的數字會不一樣是啦那所以我們現在掌握勞動部掌握我們台灣現在缺工的人數\n\n6\n00:01:43,067 --> 00:02:11,066\n對,委員就是我自己的調查到7月底這個是正確的6個月找不到是6.6萬那我們大家需要的人數到底有多少你一定是先有缺口我們才先了解原因我們才能想方設法解決啊委員府內的調查就是6.6萬的缺口啊所以會不會太美化數字啊這不是美化數字6.6萬也不少的也是蠻大的也是蠻龐大的但是跟我們部長\n\n7\n00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:36,209\n本席如果說連一開始我們都沒有辦法推進的話我很難跟你實質討論欸因為實際上召委會排這個案件我覺得很好啊我們都關心啊我們現在只是想要找出什麼樣的問題來解決啊因為你今天給我們的部分除了媒合之前都在做以外我覺得看到比較創新的地方是可能外籍的引進移工的部分會更加的鬆綁\n\n8\n00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:55,732\n更加的快速那但是說更加的鬆綁更加快速到底你到時候要引進多少的移工以及這移工是不是真的能夠解決我們國內現在缺工的問題這才是關鍵啊所以你預計現在除了服務業以外啦主管機關送案可能都會放寬行業別來使用移工\n\n9\n00:02:56,152 --> 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