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00:00:41,734\n市長、委員好。先請教黃仁勳說回台投資需要100億度的綠電,他有講大概需要多長的時間嗎?報告委員,是不是黃仁勳講的我不清楚,但是這是一個假設命題。但如果今天有一個廠商他需要100億度的綠電,我們要知道他在什麼時候需要這麼大的綠電。\n\n3\n00:00:44,465 --> 00:00:57,864\n所以可能也需要部長再回答這個問題可能要先把那個時間點抓出來假如他需要在這一兩年內需要的話那當然是相當巨大跟委員報告如果兩年後需要兩年後需要我們是做得到的\n\n4\n00:00:58,104 --> 00:01:02,787\n是我看整個綠電的狀況是整個綠電狀況在2022年其實已經有238億度的那到了2025年明年就已經有578億度當然很多都要\n\n5\n00:01:13,914 --> 00:01:42,954\n那到了2030年的925億度啦齁所以部長剛剛提到啦齁如果2026年需要的話2026年需要這個100億度的綠電是可以調度的出來的嗎?是的因為看來的話會超過600若是兩年後的話會超過600億度的綠電齁那需求量比較大的大概都這幾個比較大的國際廠商才有這樣的需求跟委員報告啦這個未來這個AI的使用齁使用到最大的極限的時候\n\n6\n00:01:43,953 --> 00:02:09,013\n大概會在2030年以後的事情是那根據這個客人的這個需求最大最大的RDC他可能需要1G的電所以各位可以看到在海外很多的這個國際知名的大廠他會用很多的這個電但我們在台灣來講我們希望因為他們要的是綠電\n\n7\n00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:30,601\n坦白講他們要的是綠電所以我現在在2030年之前我當然要把竭盡所能把綠電拉上來所以這個邀請部長這個大概接下來都是不管是半導體產業或者是AI的產業大概都需要大量電力需要綠電所以我想\n\n8\n00:02:31,061 --> 00:02:48,828\n也要加快速度我也看了一下報告去年的2023年的資料光你現有的再生能源就有268億度就是說其實我認為綠電的部分這幾年努力都有一定的成果那也期待這個經濟部的團隊持續加油這個綠電絕對是一個\n\n9\n00:02:50,469 --> 00:02:50,489\n有﹗\n\n10\n00:03:18,278 --> 00:03:42,865\n所以的部分我在這邊跟委員報告賴瑞隆在前面的這個現在我們談這個三之一、三之二跟未來的三之三我想就簡單的在這後面的部分大家都關心三之一那你現在這個國產化要把它取消的話不是啊你只要講一下政策上預定會怎麼樣來調整來下跪什麼速度政策既定的政策不會變\n\n11\n00:03:44,019 --> 00:03:45,480\n那光電的部分其實也遇到了包括農電的部分\n\n12\n00:04:13,495 --> 00:04:19,980\n部長有跟農業部溝通過嗎?有,我們都在溝通那農電的部分呢?農電的部分我們會先從這個農漁\n\n13\n00:04:22,615 --> 00:04:22,875\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n14\n00:04:46,934 --> 00:05:01,311\n部長,從林泉院長去鞠躬道歉,代表政府道歉已經8年,那大林埔從蘇院長合訂也5年了,什麼時候可以來進行相關的這個登記的作業?報告委員我是不是可以請這個院管局局長?\n\n15\n00:05:03,534 --> 00:05:12,257\n向委員報告,目前環評的部分已經跟環境部都取得共識,準備要做環評的公告說明。那等公告說明的部分進行的時候,我們就可以來研擬預登記的作業。\n\n16\n00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:40,474\n市長,我先請教一下,過去曾經有一個慘痛的例子,國道7號的環評走了14年,光二階環評的範疇界定走了23次,走了10年,導致第7國會中心啟用的國企還沒有開始來動工。這樣的慘痛教訓,我希望在這個大臨部簽證計畫裡面能夠趕快,環評多久時間可以來做出最後的決定?\n\n17\n00:05:49,620 --> 00:06:03,736\n現在經濟部已經開始在相關的公告了所以應該是很快的今年底前就會送進紅包署可以在一年內來盡速做成決定嗎?就按照環評的程序來進行加快好嗎?加快速度不要再拖了好嗎?是\n\n18\n00:06:04,597 --> 00:06:29,500\n那再回到那個經濟部這邊好不好那其他的作業程序我知道都需要時間部長我知道都需要時間但是已經我講了八年從道歉到現在已經八年了這個連甚至修繕後到底要不要修颱風後要不要修繕很多的都猶豫啦什麼時候可以開始進行這個登記的程序不要環評走完然後讀記走完之後這可能都是兩三年假設環評假設最快一年一年半\n\n19\n00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,177\n那都計又在走那走完之後再來進行登記那恐怕這兩三年居民都必須在等待\n\n20\n00:06:36,107 --> 00:07:02,323\n我們會來努力部長能夠趕在今年年底前的時候同步進行也就是說環評走環評的然後讀記走讀記的但是預登記的部分跟高雄市政府來溝通預先來做登記至少在區塊在要土地要這個錢或者要房型先做登記但是登記完了還是有可能會做改變但是至少你開始走這個階段因為那需要溝通協調的過程\n\n21\n00:07:03,444 --> 00:07:33,324\n你出來之後你才能夠更清楚的估出你到底需要多少土地需要多少的這些房子需要多少的這些現金流所以我覺得那一塊能不能先年底前做一個預登記部長可以朝這個方向來努力嗎我們可以朝這個方向努力好不好儘快溝通部長儘快跟高雄市陳吉邁市長來儘快溝通我希望年底前能夠進行不要等到環評或者等到整個都計的程序走完這個恐怕都要一兩年以上的時間老百姓沒辦法等那麼久了\n\n22\n00:07:33,684 --> 00:07:38,111\n是我們一起來努力好不好年底前我希望能夠進行預登記的這樣程序好嗎\n\n23\n00:07:39,284 --> 00:08:07,623\n部長可以嗎?我們來領略接下來我請教一下這個設宅的部分也遇到了一些問題當時的時候我們希望對於有些部分需要安置的部分能夠給予設宅的一個處理但是內政部好像有一些不同意見他希望不要破壞掉原來內政部的設宅的一些規定那能不能請如果真的遇到困難能不能請經濟部就做一個專案的方式做一個專案的方式針對於\n\n24\n00:08:09,004 --> 00:08:22,658\n一般的6加3跟弱勢戶的12加3來做處理這個市長跟部長們在地方的會議上也都對鄉親說了能不能技術用專案的方式來再處理讓這個涉宰的案件能夠盡快來啟動\n\n25\n00:08:24,299 --> 00:08:47,257\n我們來協商看看努力看看好不好盡量有朝這個方向這個我還是要請部長要跟院長跟副院長要做個報告一下這個案子恐怕不能再拖了是那我希望涉宅競速的定案之後然後讓整個這個整個程序能夠盡快的做啟動因為你涉宅一定要定案了之後老百姓才\n\n26\n00:08:47,757 --> 00:08:58,334\n更好去做出一些相關的選擇跟決定他才清楚他所有的權利義務事項好不好好朝年底來這個預端季的方向來前進好謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n616\t1257\t賴瑞隆委員質詢。\n18089\t41734\t市長、委員好。先請教黃仁勳說回台投資需要100億度的綠電,他有講大概需要多長的時間嗎?報告委員,是不是黃仁勳講的我不清楚,但是這是一個假設命題。但如果今天有一個廠商他需要100億度的綠電,我們要知道他在什麼時候需要這麼大的綠電。\n44465\t57864\t所以可能也需要部長再回答這個問題可能要先把那個時間點抓出來假如他需要在這一兩年內需要的話那當然是相當巨大跟委員報告如果兩年後需要兩年後需要我們是做得到的\n58104\t62787\t是 我看整個綠電的狀況是 整個綠電狀況在2022年其實已經有238億度的那到了2025年明年就已經有578億度 當然很多都要\n73914\t102954\t那到了2030年的925億度啦齁所以部長剛剛提到啦齁如果2026年需要的話2026年需要這個100億度的綠電是可以調度的出來的嗎?是的因為看來的話會超過600若是兩年後的話會超過600億度的綠電齁那需求量比較大的大概都這幾個比較大的國際廠商才有這樣的需求跟委員報告啦這個未來這個AI的使用齁使用到最大的極限的時候\n103953\t129013\t大概會在2030年以後的事情是那根據這個客人的這個需求最大最大的RDC他可能需要1G的電所以各位可以看到在海外很多的這個國際知名的大廠他會用很多的這個電但我們在台灣來講我們希望因為他們要的是綠電\n131360\t150601\t坦白講他們要的是綠電所以我現在在2030年之前我當然要把竭盡所能把綠電拉上來所以這個邀請部長這個大概接下來都是不管是半導體產業或者是AI的產業大概都需要大量電力需要綠電所以我想\n151061\t168828\t也要加快速度我也看了一下報告去年的2023年的資料光你現有的再生能源就有268億度就是說其實我認為綠電的部分這幾年努力都有一定的成果那也期待這個經濟部的團隊持續加油這個綠電絕對是一個\n170469\t170489\t有﹗\n198278\t222865\t所以的部分我在這邊跟委員報告賴瑞隆在前面的這個現在我們談這個三之一、三之二跟未來的三之三我想就簡單的在這後面的部分大家都關心三之一那你現在這個國產化要把它取消的話不是啊你只要講一下政策上預定會怎麼樣來調整來下跪什麼速度政策既定的政策不會變\n224019\t225480\t那光電的部分其實也遇到了包括農電的部分\n253495\t259980\t部長有跟農業部溝通過嗎?有,我們都在溝通那農電的部分呢?農電的部分我們會先從這個農漁\n262615\t262875\t賴瑞隆議員\n286934\t301311\t部長,從林泉院長去鞠躬道歉,代表政府道歉已經8年,那大林埔從蘇院長合訂也5年了,什麼時候可以來進行相關的這個登記的作業?報告委員我是不是可以請這個院管局局長?\n303534\t312257\t向委員報告,目前環評的部分已經跟環境部都取得共識,準備要做環評的公告說明。那等公告說明的部分進行的時候,我們就可以來研擬預登記的作業。\n319380\t340474\t市長,我先請教一下,過去曾經有一個慘痛的例子,國道7號的環評走了14年,光二階環評的範疇界定走了23次,走了10年,導致第7國會中心啟用的國企還沒有開始來動工。這樣的慘痛教訓,我希望在這個大臨部簽證計畫裡面能夠趕快,環評多久時間可以來做出最後的決定?\n349620\t363736\t現在經濟部已經開始在相關的公告了所以應該是很快的今年底前就會送進紅包署可以在一年內來盡速做成決定嗎?就按照環評的程序來進行加快好嗎?加快速度不要再拖了好嗎?是\n364597\t389500\t那再回到那個經濟部這邊好不好那其他的作業程序我知道都需要時間部長我知道都需要時間但是已經我講了八年從道歉到現在已經八年了這個連甚至修繕後到底要不要修 颱風後要不要修繕很多的都猶豫啦什麼時候可以開始進行這個登記的程序不要環評走完然後讀記走完之後這可能都是兩三年假設環評假設最快一年一年半\n390000\t395177\t那都計又在走那走完之後再來進行登記那恐怕這兩三年居民都必須在等待\n396107\t422323\t我們會來努力部長能夠趕在今年年底前的時候同步進行也就是說環評走環評的然後讀記走讀記的但是預登記的部分跟高雄市政府來溝通預先來做登記至少在區塊在要土地要這個錢或者要房型先做登記但是登記完了還是有可能會做改變但是至少你開始走這個階段因為那需要溝通協調的過程\n423444\t453324\t你出來之後你才能夠更清楚的估出你到底需要多少土地需要多少的這些房子需要多少的這些現金流所以我覺得那一塊能不能先年底前做一個預登記部長可以朝這個方向來努力嗎我們可以朝這個方向努力好不好 儘快溝通部長儘快跟高雄市陳吉邁市長來儘快溝通我希望年底前能夠進行不要等到環評或者等到整個都計的程序走完這個恐怕都要一兩年以上的時間老百姓沒辦法等那麼久了\n453684\t458111\t是 我們一起來努力好不好 年底前我希望能夠進行預登記的這樣程序 好嗎\n459284\t487623\t部長可以嗎?我們來領略接下來我請教一下這個設宅的部分也遇到了一些問題當時的時候我們希望對於有些部分需要安置的部分能夠給予設宅的一個處理但是內政部好像有一些不同意見他希望不要破壞掉原來內政部的設宅的一些規定那能不能請如果真的遇到困難能不能請經濟部就做一個專案的方式做一個專案的方式針對於\n489004\t502658\t一般的6加3跟弱勢戶的12加3來做處理這個市長跟部長們在地方的會議上也都對鄉親說了能不能技術用專案的方式來再處理讓這個涉宰的案件能夠盡快來啟動\n504299\t527257\t我們來協商看看努力看看好不好盡量有朝這個方向這個我還是要請部長要跟院長跟副院長要做個報告一下這個案子恐怕不能再拖了是那我希望涉宅競速的定案之後然後讓整個這個整個程序能夠盡快的做啟動因為你涉宅一定要定案了之後老百姓才\n527757\t538334\t更好去做出一些相關的選擇跟決定他才清楚他所有的權利義務事項好不好好 朝年底來這個預端季的方向來前進好 謝謝部長 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當然很多都要\n那到了2030年的925億度啦齁所以部長剛剛提到啦齁如果2026年需要的話2026年需要這個100億度的綠電是可以調度的出來的嗎?是的因為看來的話會超過600若是兩年後的話會超過600億度的綠電齁那需求量比較大的大概都這幾個比較大的國際廠商才有這樣的需求跟委員報告啦這個未來這個AI的使用齁使用到最大的極限的時候\n大概會在2030年以後的事情是那根據這個客人的這個需求最大最大的RDC他可能需要1G的電所以各位可以看到在海外很多的這個國際知名的大廠他會用很多的這個電但我們在台灣來講我們希望因為他們要的是綠電\n坦白講他們要的是綠電所以我現在在2030年之前我當然要把竭盡所能把綠電拉上來所以這個邀請部長這個大概接下來都是不管是半導體產業或者是AI的產業大概都需要大量電力需要綠電所以我想\n也要加快速度我也看了一下報告去年的2023年的資料光你現有的再生能源就有268億度就是說其實我認為綠電的部分這幾年努力都有一定的成果那也期待這個經濟部的團隊持續加油這個綠電絕對是一個\n有﹗\n所以的部分我在這邊跟委員報告賴瑞隆在前面的這個現在我們談這個三之一、三之二跟未來的三之三我想就簡單的在這後面的部分大家都關心三之一那你現在這個國產化要把它取消的話不是啊你只要講一下政策上預定會怎麼樣來調整來下跪什麼速度政策既定的政策不會變\n那光電的部分其實也遇到了包括農電的部分\n部長有跟農業部溝通過嗎?有,我們都在溝通那農電的部分呢?農電的部分我們會先從這個農漁\n賴瑞隆議員\n部長,從林泉院長去鞠躬道歉,代表政府道歉已經8年,那大林埔從蘇院長合訂也5年了,什麼時候可以來進行相關的這個登記的作業?報告委員我是不是可以請這個院管局局長?\n向委員報告,目前環評的部分已經跟環境部都取得共識,準備要做環評的公告說明。那等公告說明的部分進行的時候,我們就可以來研擬預登記的作業。\n市長,我先請教一下,過去曾經有一個慘痛的例子,國道7號的環評走了14年,光二階環評的範疇界定走了23次,走了10年,導致第7國會中心啟用的國企還沒有開始來動工。這樣的慘痛教訓,我希望在這個大臨部簽證計畫裡面能夠趕快,環評多久時間可以來做出最後的決定?\n現在經濟部已經開始在相關的公告了所以應該是很快的今年底前就會送進紅包署可以在一年內來盡速做成決定嗎?就按照環評的程序來進行加快好嗎?加快速度不要再拖了好嗎?是\n那再回到那個經濟部這邊好不好那其他的作業程序我知道都需要時間部長我知道都需要時間但是已經我講了八年從道歉到現在已經八年了這個連甚至修繕後到底要不要修 颱風後要不要修繕很多的都猶豫啦什麼時候可以開始進行這個登記的程序不要環評走完然後讀記走完之後這可能都是兩三年假設環評假設最快一年一年半\n那都計又在走那走完之後再來進行登記那恐怕這兩三年居民都必須在等待\n我們會來努力部長能夠趕在今年年底前的時候同步進行也就是說環評走環評的然後讀記走讀記的但是預登記的部分跟高雄市政府來溝通預先來做登記至少在區塊在要土地要這個錢或者要房型先做登記但是登記完了還是有可能會做改變但是至少你開始走這個階段因為那需要溝通協調的過程\n你出來之後你才能夠更清楚的估出你到底需要多少土地需要多少的這些房子需要多少的這些現金流所以我覺得那一塊能不能先年底前做一個預登記部長可以朝這個方向來努力嗎我們可以朝這個方向努力好不好 儘快溝通部長儘快跟高雄市陳吉邁市長來儘快溝通我希望年底前能夠進行不要等到環評或者等到整個都計的程序走完這個恐怕都要一兩年以上的時間老百姓沒辦法等那麼久了\n是 我們一起來努力好不好 年底前我希望能夠進行預登記的這樣程序 好嗎\n部長可以嗎?我們來領略接下來我請教一下這個設宅的部分也遇到了一些問題當時的時候我們希望對於有些部分需要安置的部分能夠給予設宅的一個處理但是內政部好像有一些不同意見他希望不要破壞掉原來內政部的設宅的一些規定那能不能請如果真的遇到困難能不能請經濟部就做一個專案的方式做一個專案的方式針對於\n一般的6加3跟弱勢戶的12加3來做處理這個市長跟部長們在地方的會議上也都對鄉親說了能不能技術用專案的方式來再處理讓這個涉宰的案件能夠盡快來啟動\n我們來協商看看努力看看好不好盡量有朝這個方向這個我還是要請部長要跟院長跟副院長要做個報告一下這個案子恐怕不能再拖了是那我希望涉宅競速的定案之後然後讓整個這個整個程序能夠盡快的做啟動因為你涉宅一定要定案了之後老百姓才\n更好去做出一些相關的選擇跟決定他才清楚他所有的權利義務事項好不好好 朝年底來這個預端季的方向來前進好 謝謝部長 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.616 --> 00:01.257\n賴瑞隆委員質詢。\n\n00:18.089 --> 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