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00:02:22,966\n當然我知道我們的計畫上是不得已拒絕但是就是有這樣子的情況發生所以我想請教部長就是針對這兩點我們有什麼樣子因應的措施嗎委員我是不是可以請我的那個調評司司長我們先來回覆一下那個加退保\n\n7\n00:02:23,952 --> 00:02:48,122\n報告那現在有關那個加退保其實那個並不是說讓他退是說做一個註記的通報因為他是預應留庭後面要關連到他的那個津貼的發放的問題所以他要做通報現在已經可以線上通報沒有問題那第二個是說有關那個潛規則的這件事情其實我們大概期中座談有跟這些廠商來去做了解\n\n8\n00:02:49,122 --> 00:03:11,887\n有些他有來參與但是他沒有員工申請大概有一個原因是因為他的天氣我們這是開放到比較低的這個天氣比較短那有的員工他是認為說他已經可以用他現在有優於法令的一些價有的用特休有的公司他願意來參加他是比較有意願的公司他會有比較優於法令的一些家庭照顧價等等\n\n9\n00:03:12,287 --> 00:03:31,832\n他會優先用了那個假所以那個短天期的需求不見得每一個人都有這樣需求那我想先確認第一個問題就是說剛剛是說要做註記嘛那我想問一下這個東西到底現在在企業企業執行瞭解說可以用註記的方式的之後我們的參與的程度有提高嗎\n\n10\n00:03:32,872 --> 00:03:49,860\n這個部分我們都有再一次跟那個所有的事業單位說明因為他通報的話作為一個註記那勞保局那邊的話就是會連結到這個勞工要給他這個育嬰留職停薪的津貼那我們大概相關的程序的話那個流程的話我們會跟勞保局這邊來去再更加的\n\n11\n00:03:52,741 --> 00:04:08,226\n我們12月結束的時候是不是可以來收集企業相關的一些意見我們如何可以幫助他們更簡化提供一些更精進的配套措施這個是不是可以在結束之後一個月內提供我們一個檢討報告\n\n12\n00:04:11,747 --> 00:04:27,556\n為什麼今天需要這個彈性暈暈流停?我們來看看家庭照顧假怎麼一個月請完?就是說如果一個小孩子在3月2日早上收到通報藏病毒,他就會被學校請他帶回去嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:29,158 --> 00:04:44,204\n好然後所以這個就是需要請7天那家長會各請3到5天然後如果呢3月11號恢復上課了又有小孩確診他又要停課所以等於就他只要一個月內他就會把他所有的家庭照顧假都請完\n\n14\n00:04:45,304 --> 00:05:13,823\n所以為什麼我們今天會非常非常需要這個彈性育嬰的政策因為的確就像剛剛前面的委員也有說其實是真的是非常的不足啦所以剛剛也有提到說要去這個性平法的第16條去修法因為其實到3到6歲這一塊現在目前是沒有被寒跨的可是其實幼兒園停課的規定是寒跨到6歲所以這個部分剛剛有提供提供說會提供給前面的委員這個報告也希望可以到時候一併提供給我那再來第二個部分呢\n\n15\n00:05:16,732 --> 00:05:18,841\n說:「抱歉,我們下夜好了,直接下,因為時間可能會不夠。」\n\n16\n00:05:19,875 --> 00:05:44,950\n好就是說其實我們看到非常多的報告不管是中研院或是經濟學院今年都一直在講說如何去講究這個生育率那其實他們都在講就是說撒錢不一定有用因為觀念轉變年輕的女孩子不願意再拼命生育小孩現金補貼對於中低收入戶的家庭還是有一些短暫的吸引力但是中等家庭比起育兒更重視自己家庭的生活所以我們就發現說其實從各國的研究來看\n\n17\n00:05:45,951 --> 00:05:46,071\n韓國瑜委員\n\n18\n00:06:07,039 --> 00:06:07,499\n的親子假﹖\n\n19\n00:06:23,789 --> 00:06:23,849\n﹚張雅琳\n\n20\n00:06:48,271 --> 00:07:16,594\n有機會去提升我們的生育率才有可能有機會去讓我們有更多的小孩這個部分是不是也可以一起來去思考提升我們的產價的部分我們一起來評估好嗎好因為我想就是說育兒不是只有一個家庭的事情還不是只有這個女性的事情是需要整個村莊整個社會整個國家一起來去支持這才有可能真正的釋放女性回到職場這個女性的勞產率才有可能提高謝謝部長\n\n21\n00:07:19,012 --> 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然後所以這個就是需要請7天那家長會各請3到5天然後如果呢3月11號恢復上課了又有小孩確診他又要停課所以等於就他只要一個月內他就會把他所有的家庭照顧假都請完\n285304\t313823\t所以為什麼我們今天會非常非常需要這個彈性育嬰的政策因為的確就像剛剛前面的委員也有說其實是真的是非常的不足啦所以剛剛也有提到說要去這個性平法的第16條去修法因為其實到3到6歲這一塊現在目前是沒有被寒跨的可是其實幼兒園停課的規定是寒跨到6歲所以這個部分剛剛有提供提供說會提供給前面的委員這個報告也希望可以到時候一併提供給我那再來第二個部分呢\n316732\t318841\t說:「抱歉,我們下夜好了,直接下,因為時間可能會不夠。」\n319875\t344950\t好就是說其實我們看到非常多的報告不管是中研院或是經濟學院今年都一直在講說如何去講究這個生育率那其實他們都在講就是說撒錢不一定有用因為觀念轉變年輕的女孩子不願意再拼命生育小孩現金補貼對於中低收入戶的家庭還是有一些短暫的吸引力但是中等家庭比起育兒更重視自己家庭的生活所以我們就發現說其實從各國的研究來看\n345951\t346071\t韓國瑜委員\n367039\t367499\t的親子假﹖\n383789\t383849\t﹚張雅琳\n408271\t436594\t有機會去提升我們的生育率才有可能有機會去讓我們有更多的小孩這個部分是不是也可以一起來去思考提升我們的產價的部分我們一起來評估好嗎好因為我想就是說育兒不是只有一個家庭的事情還不是只有這個女性的事情是需要整個村莊整個社會整個國家一起來去支持這才有可能真正的釋放女性回到職場這個女性的勞產率才有可能提高謝謝部長\n439012\t439052\t謝謝張雅琳\n","txt":"請何部長謝謝委員好等一下我的投影片沒有出來\n那我想就是說今天其實我要講的題目也是就要講女性的勞參率就是說因為其實在非常多的研究我想部長也非常清楚就是我們必須要支持女性她才有可能回到職場那整體的友善職場就會變成一個非常重要的目標所以剛剛其實前面的委員也有提到有關於我們的彈性育嬰假的這個事辦計畫那我也可以理解我們的利益是良善的但是事實上我們的確就是實際上只有21家的勞工\n有來申請等於超過7成6的事辦單位都是沒有人申請的那剛剛部長其實也有講一下這個原因但是我自己從網路上面其實也大概google當然我也有說一些陳情就是說我們當時是希望讓父母可以兼顧家庭與工作但是呢我收到的意見是說他們會覺得說這個第一個家退保程序太過繁複\n也就是說因為可以領到相關的補助所以必須要去辦理相關的程序但是依據我們的試辦計畫現在出來了但是依據我們試辦計畫原則的第8點受僱者於參加彈性育嬰留職停薪試辦期間是可以繼續參加原有的社會保險並且可以依據相關的規定請領育嬰留職停薪的相關津貼跟補助那既然可以參加原有保險\n這一點應該不會是問題才對但是怎麼請領相關的津貼就可能會是一個問題所以這個部分可能要請勞動部來提出相關的解決辦法第二個部分就是說我們有聽到家長是有說當他去請的時候可能就會被關切就是說你要不要考慮一下這可能會影響老闆對你的評價你可能會影響到我們其他同事的對你的看法等等可能會影響到其他人工作\n當然我知道我們的計畫上是不得已拒絕但是就是有這樣子的情況發生所以我想請教部長就是針對這兩點我們有什麼樣子因應的措施嗎委員我是不是可以請我的那個調評司司長我們先來回覆一下那個加退保\n報告那現在有關那個加退保其實那個並不是說讓他退是說做一個註記的通報因為他是預應留庭後面要關連到他的那個津貼的發放的問題所以他要做通報現在已經可以線上通報沒有問題那第二個是說有關那個潛規則的這件事情其實我們大概期中座談有跟這些廠商來去做了解\n有些他有來參與但是他沒有員工申請大概有一個原因是因為他的天氣我們這是開放到比較低的這個天氣比較短那有的員工他是認為說他已經可以用他現在有優於法令的一些價有的用特休有的公司他願意來參加他是比較有意願的公司他會有比較優於法令的一些家庭照顧價等等\n他會優先用了那個假所以那個短天期的需求不見得每一個人都有這樣需求那我想先確認第一個問題就是說剛剛是說要做註記嘛那我想問一下這個東西到底現在在企業企業執行瞭解說可以用註記的方式的之後我們的參與的程度有提高嗎\n這個部分我們都有再一次跟那個所有的事業單位說明因為他通報的話作為一個註記那勞保局那邊的話就是會連結到這個勞工要給他這個育嬰留職停薪的津貼那我們大概相關的程序的話那個流程的話我們會跟勞保局這邊來去再更加的\n我們12月結束的時候是不是可以來收集企業相關的一些意見我們如何可以幫助他們更簡化提供一些更精進的配套措施這個是不是可以在結束之後一個月內提供我們一個檢討報告\n為什麼今天需要這個彈性暈暈流停?我們來看看家庭照顧假怎麼一個月請完?就是說如果一個小孩子在3月2日早上收到通報藏病毒,他就會被學校請他帶回去嗎?\n好 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01:12.850\n有來申請等於超過7成6的事辦單位都是沒有人申請的那剛剛部長其實也有講一下這個原因但是我自己從網路上面其實也大概google當然我也有說一些陳情就是說我們當時是希望讓父母可以兼顧家庭與工作但是呢我收到的意見是說他們會覺得說這個第一個家退保程序太過繁複\n\n01:13.911 --> 01:39.880\n也就是說因為可以領到相關的補助所以必須要去辦理相關的程序但是依據我們的試辦計畫現在出來了但是依據我們試辦計畫原則的第8點受僱者於參加彈性育嬰留職停薪試辦期間是可以繼續參加原有的社會保險並且可以依據相關的規定請領育嬰留職停薪的相關津貼跟補助那既然可以參加原有保險\n\n01:40.920 --> 02:06.249\n這一點應該不會是問題才對但是怎麼請領相關的津貼就可能會是一個問題所以這個部分可能要請勞動部來提出相關的解決辦法第二個部分就是說我們有聽到家長是有說當他去請的時候可能就會被關切就是說你要不要考慮一下這可能會影響老闆對你的評價你可能會影響到我們其他同事的對你的看法等等可能會影響到其他人工作\n\n02:06.869 --> 02:22.966\n當然我知道我們的計畫上是不得已拒絕但是就是有這樣子的情況發生所以我想請教部長就是針對這兩點我們有什麼樣子因應的措施嗎委員我是不是可以請我的那個調評司司長我們先來回覆一下那個加退保\n\n02:23.952 --> 02:48.122\n報告那現在有關那個加退保其實那個並不是說讓他退是說做一個註記的通報因為他是預應留庭後面要關連到他的那個津貼的發放的問題所以他要做通報現在已經可以線上通報沒有問題那第二個是說有關那個潛規則的這件事情其實我們大概期中座談有跟這些廠商來去做了解\n\n02:49.122 --> 03:11.887\n有些他有來參與但是他沒有員工申請大概有一個原因是因為他的天氣我們這是開放到比較低的這個天氣比較短那有的員工他是認為說他已經可以用他現在有優於法令的一些價有的用特休有的公司他願意來參加他是比較有意願的公司他會有比較優於法令的一些家庭照顧價等等\n\n03:12.287 --> 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