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00:00:45,834\n部長好。部長,上次本席在這邊質詢有關與嘉義縣大埔光電的爭議。這些鄉親非常地辛苦套紮撒電搭著遊覽車來到行政院下跪陳情。從我質詢卓榮泰院長10月8日到現在已經超過3個禮拜了,但是那個協調會到現在都沒有開。\n\n3\n00:00:46,815 --> 00:01:07,025\n想請問部長這個嘉義的大埔鄉親苦苦的等待而且到行政院下跪陳情喔這個光電案的爭議要怎麼解決這個因為他這個案子是比較小的案子是由這個縣政府在核准的案子你們當時說你們要督導阿那現在都還沒有開協調會阿請問你們要打算怎麼處理我們的這個縣府說11月初會來開協調會\n\n4\n00:01:17,374 --> 00:01:34,449\n11月初這個協調會一定要開因為這些年邁的鄉親他們都在等第二個我要問的是這個案子其實最大的爭議就是它是在都市計劃區內的地面型光電它雖然是一個小鄉村但那邊是住宅區\n\n5\n00:01:35,490 --> 00:02:03,019\n結果他在幾十戶的中間的空地要蓋上地面型光電所以居民是大反彈那像這樣子的話嘉義縣政府縣長翁章良這個事情爭議一爆發之後他也說經濟部應該要來研議這個都市計畫區內的地面型光電應該要設置嗎?可以設置嗎?可以不經過居民的同意嗎?這個部分我也要求你們應該要改善這個真的爭議非常大\n\n6\n00:02:03,479 --> 00:02:28,893\n上次我問過部長,部長你說不缺電嘛,雨電公升有2萬公頃,我記得非常清楚這個數字那既然有2萬公頃,這個是一個很小廠的這個光電為什麼連這麼小廠都要讓他們進到這個都市計畫的住宅區裡面去蓋這個地面型的光電而且對居民影響這麼大,你們這個部分是不是可以去研議要如何的修正這個我想我們回覆研議一下啦,為什麼會這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:30,387 --> 00:02:33,541\n好,那這個部分我要求你們多久可以研議出來?一個月?\n\n8\n00:02:34,909 --> 00:03:01,819\n一個月可以一個月可以齁好我要求這個要重新去訂定一個更周延的一個做法另外一個在這個事件爆發的時候你們經濟部發了這個新聞稿這個真的是自己打臉自己啊你們說這個國家環境研究院呢已經做過這個太陽能光電溶出實驗證明水庫光電很安全結果人家國家環境研究院說根本沒有做過這個研究你們新聞稿就這樣子寫\n\n9\n00:03:02,819 --> 00:03:28,855\n那這個中文水庫要蓋光電板這個爭議呢水利署其實也還沒有真正的許可包括很多都還沒有交的資料水質監測、防台因應、水污染防治、火災等等也都還沒有那結果你們的新聞稿就是大力的背書就覺得什麼都沒有問題可以用這樣的一個態度嗎那經濟部是不是都不監督只要遇到光電業者什麼都可以\n\n10\n00:03:30,129 --> 00:03:41,622\n報告委員我想這件事情我也回覆以後查一下到底是為什麼他會這樣子來公告對,你們的新聞稿這樣寫跟事實都不符另外一個現在發生在嘉義的這一場這個台顏綠能的光電弊案高達77公頃開發了4年發不出一度電\n\n11\n00:03:49,330 --> 00:04:16,306\n這樣一個弊案現在被檢調就是已經這個證據確鑿他現在就是已經要起訴了那這一個弊案我要問的是經濟部的責任在哪裡這麼大的77公頃台鹽綠能這樣的一個案子台鹽是屬於國營事業在他的子公司底下那四年這當中爆發出這樣子的一個這個問題那經濟部都睡著了都沒有感覺都沒有發現弊端\n\n12\n00:04:18,956 --> 00:04:41,571\n跟委員報告當初是經……那時候部長你還沒有來啦對啦但是我有聽我的次長跟我講說當初是經濟部去檢舉的經濟部檢舉的?什麼時候才檢舉?經濟部應該……什麼時候檢舉?我是不是請國營司來報告這一點?好,國營司講一下什麼時候檢舉?就是我們移送檢調大概是分別在一百……就是在去年跟今年\n\n13\n00:04:42,369 --> 00:05:06,018\n所以是你們自己主動發現不對勁檢舉的?還是是民眾檢舉你們在檢舉?不是,一開始其實原來的陳其宇陳董事長就是被我們發現那個合約有問題所以後來他才會請辭的那我們就一直在開始在整理這些案子那從他請辭以後就一直在整理這案子那大概到了去年的時候我們收集的案件比較完整的所以我們就去年就先去進行了檢舉\n\n14\n00:05:07,278 --> 00:05:09,439\n目前還在收集大家的意見那預計要多久出來?部長\n\n15\n00:05:29,059 --> 00:05:29,179\n王育敏\n\n16\n00:05:43,284 --> 00:06:01,550\n這事情不能一直耗著拖著阿要不然這一些整個的弊案然後這個亂象我覺得是需要整頓一下啦我們綠能很重要但是過程當中如果有人貪贓枉法就是圖利個人、掏空公司這一些通通都是不允許的阿你們預計多久可以出來\n\n17\n00:06:02,370 --> 00:06:16,615\n報告委員我想我們目前所我剛才同事的這個報告就是說現在行政院已經有政務委員來專責來處理這件事情所以這個實際的新的這個組織跟這個責任應該我想應該幾個月裡面應該會出來\n\n18\n00:06:26,240 --> 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