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00:02:36,803\n其實你們提出了這些解決的方案那比如說這個跨部會的合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那這個還有另外一個是職業訓練培訓產業所需要的人才那因為製造業確實缺工的問題非常的多那你們有這樣的一個機制培訓的這個機制那到底\n\n8\n00:02:37,923 --> 00:02:59,683\n這個培訓的課程培訓完之後他真正投入到這個產業到底有多少那確定可以解決這樣子的一個缺工的問題到底有多少上次我記得我有問過這樣的議題就是說你們是不是有做一個統計那今天我再問一下就是說你們針對這一部分就是說你們做執訓完之後那確實投入這個產業\n\n9\n00:03:01,324 --> 00:03:12,730\n也解決了少部分的這個缺工的議題這個問題那你們到底有沒有做一個統計有委員那個我們製造業的部分去年訓練10242人訓後就業率有82%到9月今年9月底有訓練到8366人是那像營建業的部分去年訓練3920人\n\n10\n00:03:30,780 --> 00:03:31,180\n是是是是是\n\n11\n00:03:53,696 --> 00:04:19,628\n為什麼地方尤其是製造業製造業缺工的這個議題真的是很多企業他們在反映就是缺工嗎就是缺工所以我也知道就是說你們在地方都有做這樣的一個培訓執訓的一個課程那照剛剛部長講的投入投入到職場的也有七八十百分之七八十那算也也不低啦那為什麼還是有\n\n12\n00:04:21,896 --> 00:04:35,219\n國際社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會\n\n13\n00:04:49,683 --> 00:05:16,900\n從一開始我們就一直在討論這個缺工的議題嘛齁那這個也是勞動部應該要這個積極去解決的問題那我想請委員跟您報告喔那個彰化地區向我們工業區廠商聯合會我們跟他們溝通他也是我們最低工資審議委員是我們跟他溝通非常密切他們他們也是有在反映所以我們現在也會針對我們所謂的3K5極致啦這個禁用比例40%\n\n14\n00:05:18,561 --> 00:05:20,983\n第3個你們有說加強推動中階技術人才的這個留任的政策就是說這個\n\n15\n00:05:37,153 --> 00:05:38,114\n您有針對放寬畢業僑外生的工作許可\n\n16\n00:05:57,345 --> 00:05:57,745\n上次部長有這樣講啦\n\n17\n00:06:25,353 --> 00:06:42,600\n那如果說我們針對這個畢業的這個橋外生從事這樣的工作就是說可能一開始是初次受聘就3萬然後續聘是3萬3那部長你覺得這樣子的話可以確實讓這些人願意留下來嗎\n\n18\n00:06:44,919 --> 00:07:06,128\n這確實是問題啊這個也是為什麼我即便開放的喬外森是這樣中間人才來從事那喬外森也是會調工作啦是對那這樣的薪資又因足不足以又使他們留下來是問號所以那這也是呂樹葉的問題因為他在怎麼他們開出來的薪資水準就是這樣是對那這個是主管機關\n\n19\n00:07:07,449 --> 00:07:08,010\n我國全時職位缺工概況\n\n20\n00:07:22,865 --> 00:07:44,277\n比如說協調也好或是溝通也好我覺得如果說照這樣子的話你剛剛講的這三個機制可能跨部會合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那第二個就是說這個做職業培訓職業訓練那第三可能就是中階技術人才的這個留才\n\n21\n00:07:45,157 --> 00:08:14,755\n那如果說你中階技術人員的這個流財的政策如果他開出來的薪資還是這樣的話我不認為他們會願意留在這邊工作就像剛剛很多委員講的可能我們鄰近的國家他開出來的薪資都比臺灣的薪資還好那怎麼樣讓這些人願意留下來我覺得這是一個很重要也很大的一個問題我跟委員報告就是含包括義後缺工獎勵方案為什麼這個質詢率不好也是這個因素\n\n22\n00:08:15,355 --> 00:08:31,527\n所以我們就是說希望企業界要有一個認知這已經不是低薪的時代了無論是對本國人或者是移工都是一樣的因為我們也在跟國際搶工這是最大的問題的根源很像喬外森就像您剛剛講的陳主任您剛剛講的這也是在國際搶工潮裡面他們都是可以留向任何國家的\n\n23\n00:09:06,084 --> 00:09:26,483\n最後一個我想請教昨天院長在那個院會的時候因為有委員質詢那有特別提到就是說這個家庭幫傭這個議題我想請教部長就是說昨天我聽到院長有說這個可能在年底的時候會\n\n24\n00:09:28,545 --> 00:09:28,745\n我想請教關於家庭幫傭\n\n25\n00:09:52,162 --> 00:10:19,549\n家庭幫庸他未來如果說你們開放之後那是不是也要協助這個育兒的這種工作可能就是照顧孩子小孩的這樣的一個工作我覺得這個可能這個議題可能會牽涉到很多層面那這個議題也是很多人關心的對委員就是家庭幫庸開放的議題我們必須衛福部一起來處理那衛福部在這方面目前都還很保留\n\n26\n00:10:20,009 --> 00:10:32,849\n是,那當然...如果照昨天院長這樣講的話他講的好像是說這個年底就會有一個決定那我現在已經10月底了\n\n27\n00:10:33,857 --> 00:11:00,397\n具體年底可能剩下一兩個月我相信你們應該也自己有一個副案那我想要提醒就是說這個議題會牽涉到的層面非常的多那可能就是保姆的這個我們國人的保姆的就業機會可能也會受到衝擊所以我覺得說這個如果要做一個決定應該也要很審慎的去做一個評估是這我們必須跨部會溝通而且確實成如您講的這個我們\n\n28\n00:11:02,478 --> 00:11:02,658\n當然當然,謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4016\t5080\t謝謝主席 我們請何部長請部長\n11186\t38454\t部長好今天從早上到現在其實很多委員關心的就不論是全職的這個工作或者是部分工時的工作那其實我們講缺工的問題確實還蠻大的那尤其是這個製造業製造業的這個缺工更大因為像彰化這一邊中小企業非常的多那他們也會反映就是說他們一個工作就像部長你們今天的這個報告\n39794\t63582\t有6.6萬個職位這個選缺超過半年找不到人那確實這個是真的在我們的地方確實是這樣子的狀況那很多這個製造業他們也希望說能夠聘請臺灣就是臺灣的這個勞工畢竟臺灣的勞工第一個語言可以溝通那第二個他也不需要去\n64242\t82684\t幫他負擔一些他回去他就可以回到他自己家裡面嗎那這個住的問題就可以也也不用去幫他擔心所以其實一般的這個傳製造業他們第一個優先還是希望說有臺灣的勞工來應徵嗎那非不得已的話他們就會在\n83624\t106829\t請仲介可能就引進這個外籍移工進來那我今天想要知道就是說勞動部也針對這個缺工的原因你們也有做一些分析嗎那怎麼解決原因有兩個第一個可能就是說這個薪資跟原本這個勞工的這個期待有一些落差那另外一個就是說工作年齡的人口逐年減少\n108430\t132745\t這兩個主要原因那你們也有提出一些因應的方案比如說可能就是跨部會的這個合作機制啊優先媒合國人就業那還有一個就是說這個職業訓練培訓產業人才接下來才是這個加強這個推動中階技術人力流財的政策那我想請教就是說\n133891\t156803\t其實你們提出了這些解決的方案那比如說這個跨部會的合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那這個還有另外一個是職業訓練培訓產業所需要的人才那因為製造業確實缺工的問題非常的多那你們有這樣的一個機制培訓的這個機制那到底\n157923\t179683\t這個培訓的課程培訓完之後他真正投入到這個產業到底有多少那確定可以解決這樣子的一個缺工的問題到底有多少上次我記得我有問過這樣的議題就是說你們是不是有做一個統計那今天我再問一下就是說你們針對這一部分就是說你們做執訓完之後那確實投入這個產業\n181324\t192730\t也解決了少部分的這個缺工的議題這個問題那你們到底有沒有做一個統計有委員那個我們製造業的部分去年訓練10242人訓後就業率有82%到9月今年9月底有訓練到8366人是那像營建業的部分去年訓練3920人\n210780\t211180\t是是是是是\n233696\t259628\t為什麼地方尤其是製造業製造業缺工的這個議題真的是很多企業他們在反映就是缺工嗎就是缺工所以我也知道就是說你們在地方都有做這樣的一個培訓執訓的一個課程那照剛剛部長講的投入投入到職場的也有七八十百分之七八十那算也也不低啦那為什麼還是有\n261896\t275219\t國際社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會\n289683\t316900\t從一開始我們就一直在討論這個缺工的議題嘛齁那這個也是勞動部應該要這個積極去解決的問題那我想請 委員跟您報告喔那個彰化地區向我們工業區廠商聯合會我們跟他們溝通他也是我們最低工資審議委員是我們跟他溝通非常密切他們他們也是有在反映所以我們現在也會針對我們所謂的3K5極致啦這個禁用比例40%\n318561\t320983\t第3個你們有說加強推動中階技術人才的這個留任的政策就是說這個\n337153\t338114\t您有針對放寬畢業僑外生的工作許可\n357345\t357745\t上次部長有這樣講啦\n385353\t402600\t那如果說我們針對這個畢業的這個橋外生從事這樣的工作就是說可能一開始是初次受聘就3萬然後續聘是3萬3那部長你覺得這樣子的話可以確實讓這些人願意留下來嗎\n404919\t426128\t這確實是問題啊 這個也是為什麼我即便開放的喬外森是這樣中間人才來從事 那喬外森也是會調工作啦 是對那這樣的薪資又因足不足以又使他們留下來是問號 所以那這也是呂樹葉的問題因為他在怎麼他們開出來的薪資水準就是這樣 是對那這個是主管機關\n427449\t428010\t我國全時職位缺工概況\n442865\t464277\t比如說協調也好或是溝通也好我覺得如果說照這樣子的話你剛剛講的這三個機制可能跨部會合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那第二個就是說這個做職業培訓職業訓練那第三可能就是中階技術人才的這個留才\n465157\t494755\t那如果說你中階技術人員的這個流財的政策如果他開出來的薪資還是這樣的話我不認為他們會願意留在這邊工作就像剛剛很多委員講的可能我們鄰近的國家他開出來的薪資都比臺灣的薪資還好那怎麼樣讓這些人願意留下來我覺得這是一個很重要也很大的一個問題我跟委員報告就是含包括義後缺工獎勵方案為什麼這個質詢率不好也是這個因素\n495355\t511527\t所以我們就是說希望企業界要有一個認知 這已經不是低薪的時代了 無論是對本國人或者是移工都是一樣的 因為我們也在跟國際搶工這是最大的問題的根源 很像喬外森 就像您剛剛講的 陳主任您剛剛講的 這也是在國際搶工潮裡面 他們都是可以留向任何國家的\n519292\t545043\t對﹑對﹑對\n546084\t566483\t最後一個我想請教昨天院長在那個院會的時候因為有委員質詢那有特別提到就是說這個家庭幫傭這個議題我想請教部長就是說昨天我聽到院長有說這個可能在年底的時候會\n568545\t568745\t我想請教關於家庭幫傭\n592162\t619549\t家庭幫庸他未來如果說你們開放之後那是不是也要協助這個育兒的這種工作可能就是照顧孩子小孩的這樣的一個工作我覺得這個可能這個議題可能會牽涉到很多層面那這個議題也是很多人關心的對委員就是家庭幫庸開放的議題我們必須衛福部一起來處理那衛福部在這方面目前都還很保留\n620009\t632849\t是,那當然...如果照昨天院長這樣講的話他講的好像是說這個年底就會有一個決定那我現在已經10月底了\n633857\t660397\t具體年底可能剩下一兩個月我相信你們應該也自己有一個副案那我想要提醒就是說這個議題會牽涉到的層面非常的多那可能就是保姆的這個我們國人的保姆的就業機會可能也會受到衝擊所以我覺得說這個如果要做一個決定應該也要很審慎的去做一個評估是這我們必須跨部會溝通而且確實成如您講的這個我們\n662478\t662658\t當然當然,謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請何部長請部長\n部長好今天從早上到現在其實很多委員關心的就不論是全職的這個工作或者是部分工時的工作那其實我們講缺工的問題確實還蠻大的那尤其是這個製造業製造業的這個缺工更大因為像彰化這一邊中小企業非常的多那他們也會反映就是說他們一個工作就像部長你們今天的這個報告\n有6.6萬個職位這個選缺超過半年找不到人那確實這個是真的在我們的地方確實是這樣子的狀況那很多這個製造業他們也希望說能夠聘請臺灣就是臺灣的這個勞工畢竟臺灣的勞工第一個語言可以溝通那第二個他也不需要去\n幫他負擔一些他回去他就可以回到他自己家裡面嗎那這個住的問題就可以也也不用去幫他擔心所以其實一般的這個傳製造業他們第一個優先還是希望說有臺灣的勞工來應徵嗎那非不得已的話他們就會在\n請仲介可能就引進這個外籍移工進來那我今天想要知道就是說勞動部也針對這個缺工的原因你們也有做一些分析嗎那怎麼解決原因有兩個第一個可能就是說這個薪資跟原本這個勞工的這個期待有一些落差那另外一個就是說工作年齡的人口逐年減少\n這兩個主要原因那你們也有提出一些因應的方案比如說可能就是跨部會的這個合作機制啊優先媒合國人就業那還有一個就是說這個職業訓練培訓產業人才接下來才是這個加強這個推動中階技術人力流財的政策那我想請教就是說\n其實你們提出了這些解決的方案那比如說這個跨部會的合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那這個還有另外一個是職業訓練培訓產業所需要的人才那因為製造業確實缺工的問題非常的多那你們有這樣的一個機制培訓的這個機制那到底\n這個培訓的課程培訓完之後他真正投入到這個產業到底有多少那確定可以解決這樣子的一個缺工的問題到底有多少上次我記得我有問過這樣的議題就是說你們是不是有做一個統計那今天我再問一下就是說你們針對這一部分就是說你們做執訓完之後那確實投入這個產業\n也解決了少部分的這個缺工的議題這個問題那你們到底有沒有做一個統計有委員那個我們製造業的部分去年訓練10242人訓後就業率有82%到9月今年9月底有訓練到8366人是那像營建業的部分去年訓練3920人\n是是是是是\n為什麼地方尤其是製造業製造業缺工的這個議題真的是很多企業他們在反映就是缺工嗎就是缺工所以我也知道就是說你們在地方都有做這樣的一個培訓執訓的一個課程那照剛剛部長講的投入投入到職場的也有七八十百分之七八十那算也也不低啦那為什麼還是有\n國際社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會\n從一開始我們就一直在討論這個缺工的議題嘛齁那這個也是勞動部應該要這個積極去解決的問題那我想請 委員跟您報告喔那個彰化地區向我們工業區廠商聯合會我們跟他們溝通他也是我們最低工資審議委員是我們跟他溝通非常密切他們他們也是有在反映所以我們現在也會針對我們所謂的3K5極致啦這個禁用比例40%\n第3個你們有說加強推動中階技術人才的這個留任的政策就是說這個\n您有針對放寬畢業僑外生的工作許可\n上次部長有這樣講啦\n那如果說我們針對這個畢業的這個橋外生從事這樣的工作就是說可能一開始是初次受聘就3萬然後續聘是3萬3那部長你覺得這樣子的話可以確實讓這些人願意留下來嗎\n這確實是問題啊 這個也是為什麼我即便開放的喬外森是這樣中間人才來從事 那喬外森也是會調工作啦 是對那這樣的薪資又因足不足以又使他們留下來是問號 所以那這也是呂樹葉的問題因為他在怎麼他們開出來的薪資水準就是這樣 是對那這個是主管機關\n我國全時職位缺工概況\n比如說協調也好或是溝通也好我覺得如果說照這樣子的話你剛剛講的這三個機制可能跨部會合作機制優先媒合本國人就業那第二個就是說這個做職業培訓職業訓練那第三可能就是中階技術人才的這個留才\n那如果說你中階技術人員的這個流財的政策如果他開出來的薪資還是這樣的話我不認為他們會願意留在這邊工作就像剛剛很多委員講的可能我們鄰近的國家他開出來的薪資都比臺灣的薪資還好那怎麼樣讓這些人願意留下來我覺得這是一個很重要也很大的一個問題我跟委員報告就是含包括義後缺工獎勵方案為什麼這個質詢率不好也是這個因素\n所以我們就是說希望企業界要有一個認知 這已經不是低薪的時代了 無論是對本國人或者是移工都是一樣的 因為我們也在跟國際搶工這是最大的問題的根源 很像喬外森 就像您剛剛講的 陳主任您剛剛講的 這也是在國際搶工潮裡面 他們都是可以留向任何國家的\n對﹑對﹑對\n最後一個我想請教昨天院長在那個院會的時候因為有委員質詢那有特別提到就是說這個家庭幫傭這個議題我想請教部長就是說昨天我聽到院長有說這個可能在年底的時候會\n我想請教關於家庭幫傭\n家庭幫庸他未來如果說你們開放之後那是不是也要協助這個育兒的這種工作可能就是照顧孩子小孩的這樣的一個工作我覺得這個可能這個議題可能會牽涉到很多層面那這個議題也是很多人關心的對委員就是家庭幫庸開放的議題我們必須衛福部一起來處理那衛福部在這方面目前都還很保留\n是,那當然...如果照昨天院長這樣講的話他講的好像是說這個年底就會有一個決定那我現在已經10月底了\n具體年底可能剩下一兩個月我相信你們應該也自己有一個副案那我想要提醒就是說這個議題會牽涉到的層面非常的多那可能就是保姆的這個我們國人的保姆的就業機會可能也會受到衝擊所以我覺得說這個如果要做一個決定應該也要很審慎的去做一個評估是這我們必須跨部會溝通而且確實成如您講的這個我們\n當然當然,謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.016 --> 00:05.080\n謝謝主席我們請何部長請部長\n\n00:11.186 --> 00:38.454\n部長好今天從早上到現在其實很多委員關心的就不論是全職的這個工作或者是部分工時的工作那其實我們講缺工的問題確實還蠻大的那尤其是這個製造業製造業的這個缺工更大因為像彰化這一邊中小企業非常的多那他們也會反映就是說他們一個工作就像部長你們今天的這個報告\n\n00:39.794 --> 01:03.582\n有6.6萬個職位這個選缺超過半年找不到人那確實這個是真的在我們的地方確實是這樣子的狀況那很多這個製造業他們也希望說能夠聘請臺灣就是臺灣的這個勞工畢竟臺灣的勞工第一個語言可以溝通那第二個他也不需要去\n\n01:04.242 --> 01:22.684\n幫他負擔一些他回去他就可以回到他自己家裡面嗎那這個住的問題就可以也也不用去幫他擔心所以其實一般的這個傳製造業他們第一個優先還是希望說有臺灣的勞工來應徵嗎那非不得已的話他們就會在\n\n01:23.624 --> 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