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00:02:36,540\n給予這個肯定那這兩個多月來我們臺灣已經遇到幾個重大的天災事變吼那包含兩個重大的颱風還有我們加一的中普大地震那我剛剛看到我們的資料顯示我們2023年2024年還有即將審查的2025年的中央總預算那主計總總署有編列的災害準備金\n\n8\n00:02:37,281 --> 00:02:51,588\n那分別是46億決算數是46億跟20億去年的預算數還有今年準備要編列的是50億我們看到是有所提升但是根據這個國際災害資料庫裡面顯示說2023年的重大災害是366件已經經濟屬實是1598億左右的美金\n\n9\n00:03:02,293 --> 00:03:19,691\n那我認為說這樣子的天然災害的救助這個院長你怎麼看就是你覺得未來的在編列的可能性是不是要予以增強因為現在看起來除了天災之外當然還有可能的我們必須要這個區域衝突等等不知道院長怎麼看這個部分\n\n10\n00:03:20,832 --> 00:03:47,037\n當然天然災害是一個非常不可預測的行為它可能造成的這個任何傷害尤其是明年度我們在現在都很難去預測我們只能準備一個我們認為在依照目前國家財政的能力上面可以支應而且它又必須符合財政紀律它又不能會大幅的增加我們的債務餘額同時它又可以在執行的時候我們有足夠的執行力可以執行下去\n\n11\n00:03:47,637 --> 00:03:48,919\n謝謝院長,因為我必須提到可能過去四五年五六年\n\n12\n00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,002\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷\n\n13\n00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:58,902\n院長應該知道阿里山但是可能不知道阿里山周遭的幾個鄉鎮包含中埔鄉、梅山鄉、竹崎鄉、阿里山其實都算是翻路鄉都是大阿里山的一個門戶那我們是認為說過去在這幾年自從我們爭取到這個太平雲梯的風景區之後那有觀光客的倍增其實不只是倍增是數以倍增不知道是幾倍的狀況不斷的在提升\n\n14\n00:04:59,562 --> 00:05:27,555\n那在雲梯、吊橋、然後其他的交通設施其實已經慢慢的不服使用為什麼這麼說?因為旅客已經超過他原本設計的預期所以在地方上面有很多人反映希望說未來可以建置梅山纜車的概念那這個纜車它能夠帶動的不僅僅是梅山鄉而已包含鄰近的阿里山、大阿里山的山區都可以因為這一個景區的設置來增強它的觀光量能\n\n15\n00:05:28,095 --> 00:05:47,622\n那不管是生態永續因為我們知道說用纜車的話比起大量的遊覽車然後跟大量的私家轎車上去它的對環境的影響度會較低所以這個部分不知道院長怎麼看因為這個規劃上面其實今年8月我們有召開公聽會\n\n16\n00:05:48,522 --> 00:06:15,581\n那目前已經由阿里山風景區管理處來去爭取說在梅山周遭的環境整備計畫來去辦理那我們的這個纜車的路線規劃上面那我們是希望說從舊的梅山國小到望峰斷崖到太平雲梯遊客服務中心共5公里那5公里的話我們認為是應該在這個可行性上面趕快進行評估這個部分院長怎麼看\n\n17\n00:06:16,172 --> 00:06:33,800\n好,謝謝委員。在開米颱風之後,我也搭阿里山的火車,就去到被大樹攔阻的地方,火車不能再前進。當時我就想說,跟這個工程人員表示,如果競速修好,我還是希望能夠有一天很順暢,因為這到底是台灣非常重要的觀光景點。\n\n18\n00:06:34,580 --> 00:06:35,020\n主席主席主席\n\n19\n00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:05,941\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。\n\n20\n00:07:32,654 --> 00:07:49,513\n這個部分我想院長應該知道說中部產業園區它的這個開發的概念我簡單講一下它的園區大概是67公頃那它的容許的產業類別是電子零組件的製造業跟機械設備、汽車、飲料、食品等等\n\n21\n00:07:50,174 --> 00:08:16,008\n那我想請教一下這個嘉義中埔跟水上園區的合訂開發計畫那跟這個農產品加工跟倉儲為主另外有比例比較低的電子零組件製造業那有很多我們在地的鄉親他可能已經不是我的選區我選區是中埔鄉還有水上鄉的鄉親他們共同的反應他是一個整個生活圈他們希望說能夠有高科技產業的上游的生產鏈可以加入來去增加這個我們的就業人口院長\n\n22\n00:08:16,488 --> 00:08:25,073\n我希望把這個心聲傳給你是不是也可以請我們的相關主管、行政機關來一起協助來去把這個地方的比例看看可不可以來去促成\n\n23\n00:08:25,691 --> 00:08:50,813\n好的委員我們現在有個構想想把台灣分成六個區域治理的計畫那其中雲加南這個部分我們會有一個整體的區域性的這個治理計畫那逐步的來實施那您說的剛剛說的這個中埔的科技園區如果它能夠更健全在這個整個區域計畫當中成為重要的一環我想我們是非常樂意把它列為一個重要的參考大家一同來討論\n\n24\n00:08:51,434 --> 00:09:04,490\n那第一個部分就是我們也是在8月份的時候我有召開這個相關的單位到實地去勘察那我們看到說園區內的製紅紙的設置那是有地方的代表都在反映說可不可以\n\n25\n00:09:05,609 --> 00:09:26,307\n有沒有能夠符合就是洪水來襲的滯洪效果還是有疑慮這是第一點那第二部分就是原區的交通運輸大型車輛是不是要另闢道路或者是道路後寬還沒有還沒有獲得主管機關的回補所以這個部分是不是可以請這個相關部門也是請院長來去督促一下因為這個對我們中埔水上他等於是\n\n26\n00:09:27,310 --> 00:09:28,151\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n27\n00:09:49,946 --> 00:10:02,513\n好,謝謝,謝謝院長院長接下來可能跟這個經濟部比較有關係齁那他是跟地樂開發前幾天我們有去應該說我啦我有去這個諮詢郭部長齁那來提問說關於台灣地樂開發的潛能\n\n28\n00:10:07,156 --> 00:10:28,732\n那我知道我們現在中研院的研究團隊跟中油技術開發團隊已經在宜蘭、園山有開發說第一口深層地熱探測井那傳出來的好消息那包含這個說前幾天部長也有說他這個地熱的潛能加起來可以達24到36MW可以足夠非常多的家庭用電\n\n29\n00:10:29,753 --> 00:10:57,000\n那我看資料顯示說我們臺電2023年的全國總發電量是2821億度那低熱發電的容量因素最少50%的前提下一年可以生產逾1752億度所以說未來如果臺灣的低熱能夠再增加這個第二景的話對於我們的再生能源特別是一些我們重大的產業臺積電等等必須需要用綠色能源的話那是有很大的這個幫助可是目前我們政府原先預估\n\n30\n00:10:57,540 --> 00:10:59,681\n報告委員我們會來修正這樣的一個計畫因為這個地熱目前在圓山所開的這個一號井\n\n31\n00:11:26,735 --> 00:11:53,761\n他是一個探勘的一個警不是真正的當然也不是說真正的他有機會我們希望因為驗證這個中央研究院的這個技術他只是一個在探勘那個整個的地層的狀況那應該可以加速我們認知這個警值不值得再開這個如果一旦成功的話\n\n32\n00:11:54,517 --> 00:11:54,938\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n33\n00:12:12,419 --> 00:12:40,931\n我們比較保守的數字那個保守的數字大概就是淺層的地熱那個1000公尺的這個地熱那如果要像我們這一次在那邊測試的這個4000到6000公尺的地熱坦白講這個在世界上面還算是這個比較新的這個技術所以我們必須要去觀察如果這個技術能夠成功對台灣來講是一個非常棒的一個成就\n\n34\n00:12:41,733 --> 00:13:03,686\n部長,我看說去年的我們探勘的範圍從東部擴展到西部,包含谷關、東埔、關子嶺、寶萊等地,他們是屬於淺層還是深層?淺層的。所以這樣子看起來從東到西、從北到南都有很大的可能性,我們可以這樣講嗎?大概我們可以這樣觀察,就是如果有溫泉的地方,大概都是淺層的。\n\n35\n00:13:06,461 --> 00:13:11,308\n對但是我們現在要挖更深一點到4000到6000的話這是一個新的技術\n\n36\n00:13:12,638 --> 00:13:39,803\n這個技術所以我們現在就是如果能夠成功的因為你知道嘛這個就是說這都是成本啦齁那當我們挖到4000公尺它的成本是很高的結果它那個水下來水出來是不夠熱不能夠為你做地熱的這個發電所用的話那這個整個的成本就變成沉沒成本所以對我們來講我們希望它的成本能夠\n\n37\n00:13:40,848 --> 00:14:05,642\n因為這個目前以全美國的資料來看大概我們現在開發的成本大概要14塊錢一度電要14塊錢但是如果我們非常精準的去開發的話那麼它有機會讓我們進到我們可以接受的成本大概要多少錢這個我想目前只能預估而已\n\n38\n00:14:06,223 --> 00:14:29,817\n好,謝謝部長,因為第二畢竟它是可以24小時做一個很穩定的基載電源,不因為氣候所影響。如果說探勘成功,有效率的運用的話,那我們是可以把再生能源跟科技重鎮的台灣兩立的,這不是互相矛盾互相衝突的。所以我為什麼不但在強調這件事情是因為,\n\n39\n00:14:31,017 --> 00:14:56,075\n其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者是風電那它有它的重要的地位但是還是有一個不能作為基載能源的一個挑戰那所以多元的再生能源多元的綠色能源也是一個確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的一個目的那接下來最後跟外交部比較有關聯那是針對台灣跟印度的這個執行的部分\n\n40\n00:14:57,059 --> 00:15:16,255\n那這一次我們最近印度的排燈節剛結束那我們可以知道說我們台灣跟印度之間不管是在印太戰略或者是在產業投資上面這幾年是有非常大的幅度的產生那為了因應未來台印之間不管是進出口投資是不是要盡快的來討論復航的計畫吳釗燮在2024年1月22日在國慶的酒會上面有說期待出城\n\n41\n00:15:45,156 --> 00:15:47,821\n好OK謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5393\t7988\t麻煩請主席請院長請卓院長備詢\n19289\t37462\t委員好 非常好 剛才我在看我們的總預算的相關的報告書那我看到我們的明年的稅數預算已經增加到3兆1000多億那比起去年來講增加是2800多億那我同時也看到我們的債務比例大概是28%\n39925\t54743\t28%在我們的GDP這樣子說起來的話其實比許多先進國家來比是非常少的不管是對日本甚至是對現在的中國來講以這樣子的經濟表現那是全民的努力跟行政團隊的努力\n55503\t80183\t我們也希望全民的經濟成果全民共享所以均衡台灣賴清德總統不斷地在強調這個概念就是希望說包含資源的分配上面包含首都的減壓方面包含預算的分配上面都能夠讓所有的縣市都能夠一起成長然後一起分享所以前瞻基礎的計畫我必須講這8年前這幾年來其實是\n84466\t101748\t不管是在水環境的建設來去增強我們的防洪韌性或者是在軌道建設在我們民雄在我們的民雄的鐵路高架化那都是徹底的改變我們的地形地貌讓我們的國家甚至是一些中南部地區能夠得到未來成長的這個基礎\n104348\t133167\t還有這種道路品質、校舍的這些協助社區、公共據點、服務的整備我相信在蔡英文總統的時期到現在已經奠定了非常好的基礎來去完成未來賴總統這個均衡台灣的願景那我必須要再次強調前瞻基礎建設對我們嘉義甚至是對中南部的雲嘉南、高高屏地區那是非常大的幫助所以我們看到了嘉義整體的進化、改變這一點我們必須要\n133747\t156540\t給予這個肯定那這兩個多月來我們臺灣已經遇到幾個重大的天災事變吼那包含兩個重大的颱風還有我們加一的中普大地震那我剛剛看到我們的資料顯示我們2023年2024年還有即將審查的2025年的中央總預算那主計總總署有編列的災害準備金\n157281\t171588\t那分別是46億決算數是46億跟20億去年的預算數還有今年準備要編列的是50億我們看到是有所提升但是根據這個國際災害資料庫裡面顯示說2023年的重大災害是366件已經經濟屬實是1598億左右的美金\n182293\t199691\t那我認為說這樣子的天然災害的救助這個院長你怎麼看就是你覺得未來的在編列的可能性是不是要予以增強因為現在看起來除了天災之外當然還有可能的我們必須要這個區域衝突等等不知道院長怎麼看這個部分\n200832\t227037\t當然天然災害是一個非常不可預測的行為它可能造成的這個任何傷害尤其是明年度我們在現在都很難去預測我們只能準備一個我們認為在依照目前國家財政的能力上面可以支應而且它又必須符合財政紀律它又不能會大幅的增加我們的債務餘額同時它又可以在執行的時候我們有足夠的執行力可以執行下去\n227637\t228919\t謝謝院長,因為我必須提到可能過去四五年五六年\n243780\t246002\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷\n273530\t298902\t院長應該知道阿里山但是可能不知道阿里山周遭的幾個鄉鎮包含中埔鄉、梅山鄉、竹崎鄉、阿里山其實都算是翻路鄉都是大阿里山的一個門戶那我們是認為說過去在這幾年自從我們爭取到這個太平雲梯的風景區之後那有觀光客的倍增其實不只是倍增是數以倍增不知道是幾倍的狀況不斷的在提升\n299562\t327555\t那在雲梯、吊橋、然後其他的交通設施其實已經慢慢的不服使用為什麼這麼說?因為旅客已經超過他原本設計的預期所以在地方上面有很多人反映希望說未來可以建置梅山纜車的概念那這個纜車它能夠帶動的不僅僅是梅山鄉而已包含鄰近的阿里山、大阿里山的山區都可以因為這一個景區的設置來增強它的觀光量能\n328095\t347622\t那不管是生態永續因為我們知道說用纜車的話比起大量的遊覽車然後跟大量的私家轎車上去它的對環境的影響度會較低所以這個部分不知道院長怎麼看因為這個規劃上面其實今年8月我們有召開公聽會\n348522\t375581\t那目前已經由阿里山風景區管理處來去爭取說在梅山周遭的環境整備計畫來去辦理那我們的這個纜車的路線規劃上面那我們是希望說從舊的梅山國小到望峰斷崖到太平雲梯遊客服務中心共5公里那5公里的話我們認為是應該在這個可行性上面趕快進行評估這個部分院長怎麼看\n376172\t393800\t好,謝謝委員。在開米颱風之後,我也搭阿里山的火車,就去到被大樹攔阻的地方,火車不能再前進。當時我就想說,跟這個工程人員表示,如果競速修好,我還是希望能夠有一天很順暢,因為這到底是台灣非常重要的觀光景點。\n394580\t395020\t主席主席主席\n424540\t425941\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。\n452654\t469513\t這個部分我想院長應該知道說中部產業園區它的這個開發的概念我簡單講一下它的園區大概是67公頃那它的容許的產業類別是電子零組件的製造業跟機械設備、汽車、飲料、食品等等\n470174\t496008\t那我想請教一下這個嘉義中埔跟水上園區的合訂開發計畫那跟這個農產品加工跟倉儲為主另外有比例比較低的電子零組件製造業那有很多我們在地的鄉親他可能已經不是我的選區我選區是中埔鄉還有水上鄉的鄉親他們共同的反應他是一個整個生活圈他們希望說能夠有高科技產業的上游的生產鏈可以加入來去增加這個我們的就業人口院長\n496488\t505073\t我希望把這個心聲傳給你是不是也可以請我們的相關主管、行政機關來一起協助來去把這個地方的比例看看可不可以來去促成\n505691\t530813\t好的委員我們現在有個構想想把台灣分成六個區域治理的計畫那其中雲加南這個部分我們會有一個整體的區域性的這個治理計畫那逐步的來實施那您說的剛剛說的這個中埔的科技園區如果它能夠更健全在這個整個區域計畫當中成為重要的一環我想我們是非常樂意把它列為一個重要的參考大家一同來討論\n531434\t544490\t那第一個部分就是我們也是在8月份的時候我有召開這個相關的單位到實地去勘察那我們看到說園區內的製紅紙的設置那是有地方的代表都在反映說可不可以\n545609\t566307\t有沒有能夠符合就是洪水來襲的滯洪效果還是有疑慮這是第一點那第二部分就是原區的交通運輸大型車輛是不是要另闢道路或者是道路後寬還沒有還沒有獲得主管機關的回補所以這個部分是不是可以請這個相關部門也是請院長來去督促一下因為這個對我們中埔水上他等於是\n567310\t568151\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n589946\t602513\t好,謝謝,謝謝院長院長接下來可能跟這個經濟部比較有關係齁那他是跟地樂開發前幾天我們有去應該說我啦我有去這個諮詢郭部長齁那來提問說關於台灣地樂開發的潛能\n607156\t628732\t那我知道我們現在中研院的研究團隊跟中油技術開發團隊已經在宜蘭、園山有開發說第一口深層地熱探測井那傳出來的好消息那包含這個說前幾天部長也有說他這個地熱的潛能加起來可以達24到36MW可以足夠非常多的家庭用電\n629753\t657000\t那我看資料顯示說我們臺電2023年的全國總發電量是2821億度那低熱發電的容量因素最少50%的前提下一年可以生產逾1752億度所以說未來如果臺灣的低熱能夠再增加這個第二景的話對於我們的再生能源特別是一些我們重大的產業臺積電等等必須需要用綠色能源的話那是有很大的這個幫助可是目前我們政府原先預估\n657540\t659681\t報告委員我們會來修正這樣的一個計畫因為這個地熱目前在圓山所開的這個一號井\n686735\t713761\t他是一個探勘的一個警不是真正的當然也不是說真正的他有機會我們希望因為驗證這個中央研究院的這個技術他只是一個在探勘那個整個的地層的狀況那應該可以加速我們認知這個警值不值得再開這個如果一旦成功的話\n714517\t714938\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n732419\t760931\t我們比較保守的數字那個保守的數字大概就是淺層的地熱那個1000公尺的這個地熱那如果要像我們這一次在那邊測試的這個4000到6000公尺的地熱坦白講這個在世界上面還算是這個比較新的這個技術所以我們必須要去觀察如果這個技術能夠成功對台灣來講是一個非常棒的一個成就\n761733\t783686\t部長,我看說去年的我們探勘的範圍從東部擴展到西部,包含谷關、東埔、關子嶺、寶萊等地,他們是屬於淺層還是深層?淺層的。所以這樣子看起來從東到西、從北到南都有很大的可能性,我們可以這樣講嗎?大概我們可以這樣觀察,就是如果有溫泉的地方,大概都是淺層的。\n786461\t791308\t對 但是我們現在要挖更深一點到4000到6000的話這是一個新的技術\n792638\t819803\t這個技術所以我們現在就是如果能夠成功的因為你知道嘛這個就是說這都是成本啦齁那當我們挖到4000公尺它的成本是很高的結果它那個水下來水出來是不夠熱不能夠為你做地熱的這個發電所用的話那這個整個的成本就變成沉沒成本所以對我們來講我們希望它的成本能夠\n820848\t845642\t因為這個目前以全美國的資料來看大概我們現在開發的成本大概要14塊錢一度電要14塊錢但是如果我們非常精準的去開發的話那麼它有機會讓我們進到我們可以接受的成本大概要多少錢這個我想目前只能預估而已\n846223\t869817\t好,謝謝部長,因為第二畢竟它是可以24小時做一個很穩定的基載電源,不因為氣候所影響。如果說探勘成功,有效率的運用的話,那我們是可以把再生能源跟科技重鎮的台灣兩立的,這不是互相矛盾互相衝突的。所以我為什麼不但在強調這件事情是因為,\n871017\t896075\t其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者是風電那它有它的重要的地位但是還是有一個不能作為基載能源的一個挑戰那所以多元的再生能源多元的綠色能源也是一個確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的一個目的那接下來最後跟外交部比較有關聯那是針對台灣跟印度的這個執行的部分\n897059\t916255\t那這一次我們最近印度的排燈節剛結束那我們可以知道說我們台灣跟印度之間不管是在印太戰略或者是在產業投資上面這幾年是有非常大的幅度的產生那為了因應未來台印之間不管是進出口投資是不是要盡快的來討論復航的計畫吳釗燮在2024年1月22日在國慶的酒會上面有說期待出城\n945156\t947821\t好OK謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長\n","txt":"麻煩請主席請院長請卓院長備詢\n委員好 非常好 剛才我在看我們的總預算的相關的報告書那我看到我們的明年的稅數預算已經增加到3兆1000多億那比起去年來講增加是2800多億那我同時也看到我們的債務比例大概是28%\n28%在我們的GDP這樣子說起來的話其實比許多先進國家來比是非常少的不管是對日本甚至是對現在的中國來講以這樣子的經濟表現那是全民的努力跟行政團隊的努力\n我們也希望全民的經濟成果全民共享所以均衡台灣賴清德總統不斷地在強調這個概念就是希望說包含資源的分配上面包含首都的減壓方面包含預算的分配上面都能夠讓所有的縣市都能夠一起成長然後一起分享所以前瞻基礎的計畫我必須講這8年前這幾年來其實是\n不管是在水環境的建設來去增強我們的防洪韌性或者是在軌道建設在我們民雄在我們的民雄的鐵路高架化那都是徹底的改變我們的地形地貌讓我們的國家甚至是一些中南部地區能夠得到未來成長的這個基礎\n還有這種道路品質、校舍的這些協助社區、公共據點、服務的整備我相信在蔡英文總統的時期到現在已經奠定了非常好的基礎來去完成未來賴總統這個均衡台灣的願景那我必須要再次強調前瞻基礎建設對我們嘉義甚至是對中南部的雲嘉南、高高屏地區那是非常大的幫助所以我們看到了嘉義整體的進化、改變這一點我們必須要\n給予這個肯定那這兩個多月來我們臺灣已經遇到幾個重大的天災事變吼那包含兩個重大的颱風還有我們加一的中普大地震那我剛剛看到我們的資料顯示我們2023年2024年還有即將審查的2025年的中央總預算那主計總總署有編列的災害準備金\n那分別是46億決算數是46億跟20億去年的預算數還有今年準備要編列的是50億我們看到是有所提升但是根據這個國際災害資料庫裡面顯示說2023年的重大災害是366件已經經濟屬實是1598億左右的美金\n那我認為說這樣子的天然災害的救助這個院長你怎麼看就是你覺得未來的在編列的可能性是不是要予以增強因為現在看起來除了天災之外當然還有可能的我們必須要這個區域衝突等等不知道院長怎麼看這個部分\n當然天然災害是一個非常不可預測的行為它可能造成的這個任何傷害尤其是明年度我們在現在都很難去預測我們只能準備一個我們認為在依照目前國家財政的能力上面可以支應而且它又必須符合財政紀律它又不能會大幅的增加我們的債務餘額同時它又可以在執行的時候我們有足夠的執行力可以執行下去\n謝謝院長,因為我必須提到可能過去四五年五六年\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷\n院長應該知道阿里山但是可能不知道阿里山周遭的幾個鄉鎮包含中埔鄉、梅山鄉、竹崎鄉、阿里山其實都算是翻路鄉都是大阿里山的一個門戶那我們是認為說過去在這幾年自從我們爭取到這個太平雲梯的風景區之後那有觀光客的倍增其實不只是倍增是數以倍增不知道是幾倍的狀況不斷的在提升\n那在雲梯、吊橋、然後其他的交通設施其實已經慢慢的不服使用為什麼這麼說?因為旅客已經超過他原本設計的預期所以在地方上面有很多人反映希望說未來可以建置梅山纜車的概念那這個纜車它能夠帶動的不僅僅是梅山鄉而已包含鄰近的阿里山、大阿里山的山區都可以因為這一個景區的設置來增強它的觀光量能\n那不管是生態永續因為我們知道說用纜車的話比起大量的遊覽車然後跟大量的私家轎車上去它的對環境的影響度會較低所以這個部分不知道院長怎麼看因為這個規劃上面其實今年8月我們有召開公聽會\n那目前已經由阿里山風景區管理處來去爭取說在梅山周遭的環境整備計畫來去辦理那我們的這個纜車的路線規劃上面那我們是希望說從舊的梅山國小到望峰斷崖到太平雲梯遊客服務中心共5公里那5公里的話我們認為是應該在這個可行性上面趕快進行評估這個部分院長怎麼看\n好,謝謝委員。在開米颱風之後,我也搭阿里山的火車,就去到被大樹攔阻的地方,火車不能再前進。當時我就想說,跟這個工程人員表示,如果競速修好,我還是希望能夠有一天很順暢,因為這到底是台灣非常重要的觀光景點。\n主席主席主席\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。\n這個部分我想院長應該知道說中部產業園區它的這個開發的概念我簡單講一下它的園區大概是67公頃那它的容許的產業類別是電子零組件的製造業跟機械設備、汽車、飲料、食品等等\n那我想請教一下這個嘉義中埔跟水上園區的合訂開發計畫那跟這個農產品加工跟倉儲為主另外有比例比較低的電子零組件製造業那有很多我們在地的鄉親他可能已經不是我的選區我選區是中埔鄉還有水上鄉的鄉親他們共同的反應他是一個整個生活圈他們希望說能夠有高科技產業的上游的生產鏈可以加入來去增加這個我們的就業人口院長\n我希望把這個心聲傳給你是不是也可以請我們的相關主管、行政機關來一起協助來去把這個地方的比例看看可不可以來去促成\n好的委員我們現在有個構想想把台灣分成六個區域治理的計畫那其中雲加南這個部分我們會有一個整體的區域性的這個治理計畫那逐步的來實施那您說的剛剛說的這個中埔的科技園區如果它能夠更健全在這個整個區域計畫當中成為重要的一環我想我們是非常樂意把它列為一個重要的參考大家一同來討論\n那第一個部分就是我們也是在8月份的時候我有召開這個相關的單位到實地去勘察那我們看到說園區內的製紅紙的設置那是有地方的代表都在反映說可不可以\n有沒有能夠符合就是洪水來襲的滯洪效果還是有疑慮這是第一點那第二部分就是原區的交通運輸大型車輛是不是要另闢道路或者是道路後寬還沒有還沒有獲得主管機關的回補所以這個部分是不是可以請這個相關部門也是請院長來去督促一下因為這個對我們中埔水上他等於是\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n好,謝謝,謝謝院長院長接下來可能跟這個經濟部比較有關係齁那他是跟地樂開發前幾天我們有去應該說我啦我有去這個諮詢郭部長齁那來提問說關於台灣地樂開發的潛能\n那我知道我們現在中研院的研究團隊跟中油技術開發團隊已經在宜蘭、園山有開發說第一口深層地熱探測井那傳出來的好消息那包含這個說前幾天部長也有說他這個地熱的潛能加起來可以達24到36MW可以足夠非常多的家庭用電\n那我看資料顯示說我們臺電2023年的全國總發電量是2821億度那低熱發電的容量因素最少50%的前提下一年可以生產逾1752億度所以說未來如果臺灣的低熱能夠再增加這個第二景的話對於我們的再生能源特別是一些我們重大的產業臺積電等等必須需要用綠色能源的話那是有很大的這個幫助可是目前我們政府原先預估\n報告委員我們會來修正這樣的一個計畫因為這個地熱目前在圓山所開的這個一號井\n他是一個探勘的一個警不是真正的當然也不是說真正的他有機會我們希望因為驗證這個中央研究院的這個技術他只是一個在探勘那個整個的地層的狀況那應該可以加速我們認知這個警值不值得再開這個如果一旦成功的話\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n我們比較保守的數字那個保守的數字大概就是淺層的地熱那個1000公尺的這個地熱那如果要像我們這一次在那邊測試的這個4000到6000公尺的地熱坦白講這個在世界上面還算是這個比較新的這個技術所以我們必須要去觀察如果這個技術能夠成功對台灣來講是一個非常棒的一個成就\n部長,我看說去年的我們探勘的範圍從東部擴展到西部,包含谷關、東埔、關子嶺、寶萊等地,他們是屬於淺層還是深層?淺層的。所以這樣子看起來從東到西、從北到南都有很大的可能性,我們可以這樣講嗎?大概我們可以這樣觀察,就是如果有溫泉的地方,大概都是淺層的。\n對 但是我們現在要挖更深一點到4000到6000的話這是一個新的技術\n這個技術所以我們現在就是如果能夠成功的因為你知道嘛這個就是說這都是成本啦齁那當我們挖到4000公尺它的成本是很高的結果它那個水下來水出來是不夠熱不能夠為你做地熱的這個發電所用的話那這個整個的成本就變成沉沒成本所以對我們來講我們希望它的成本能夠\n因為這個目前以全美國的資料來看大概我們現在開發的成本大概要14塊錢一度電要14塊錢但是如果我們非常精準的去開發的話那麼它有機會讓我們進到我們可以接受的成本大概要多少錢這個我想目前只能預估而已\n好,謝謝部長,因為第二畢竟它是可以24小時做一個很穩定的基載電源,不因為氣候所影響。如果說探勘成功,有效率的運用的話,那我們是可以把再生能源跟科技重鎮的台灣兩立的,這不是互相矛盾互相衝突的。所以我為什麼不但在強調這件事情是因為,\n其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者是風電那它有它的重要的地位但是還是有一個不能作為基載能源的一個挑戰那所以多元的再生能源多元的綠色能源也是一個確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的一個目的那接下來最後跟外交部比較有關聯那是針對台灣跟印度的這個執行的部分\n那這一次我們最近印度的排燈節剛結束那我們可以知道說我們台灣跟印度之間不管是在印太戰略或者是在產業投資上面這幾年是有非常大的幅度的產生那為了因應未來台印之間不管是進出口投資是不是要盡快的來討論復航的計畫吳釗燮在2024年1月22日在國慶的酒會上面有說期待出城\n好OK謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.393 --> 00:07.988\n麻煩請主席請院長請卓院長備詢\n\n00:19.289 --> 00:37.462\n委員好非常好剛才我在看我們的總預算的相關的報告書那我看到我們的明年的稅數預算已經增加到3兆1000多億那比起去年來講增加是2800多億那我同時也看到我們的債務比例大概是28%\n\n00:39.925 --> 00:54.743\n28%在我們的GDP這樣子說起來的話其實比許多先進國家來比是非常少的不管是對日本甚至是對現在的中國來講以這樣子的經濟表現那是全民的努力跟行政團隊的努力\n\n00:55.503 --> 01:20.183\n我們也希望全民的經濟成果全民共享所以均衡台灣賴清德總統不斷地在強調這個概念就是希望說包含資源的分配上面包含首都的減壓方面包含預算的分配上面都能夠讓所有的縣市都能夠一起成長然後一起分享所以前瞻基礎的計畫我必須講這8年前這幾年來其實是\n\n01:24.466 --> 01:41.748\n不管是在水環境的建設來去增強我們的防洪韌性或者是在軌道建設在我們民雄在我們的民雄的鐵路高架化那都是徹底的改變我們的地形地貌讓我們的國家甚至是一些中南部地區能夠得到未來成長的這個基礎\n\n01:44.348 --> 02:13.167\n還有這種道路品質、校舍的這些協助社區、公共據點、服務的整備我相信在蔡英文總統的時期到現在已經奠定了非常好的基礎來去完成未來賴總統這個均衡台灣的願景那我必須要再次強調前瞻基礎建設對我們嘉義甚至是對中南部的雲嘉南、高高屏地區那是非常大的幫助所以我們看到了嘉義整體的進化、改變這一點我們必須要\n\n02:13.747 --> 02:36.540\n給予這個肯定那這兩個多月來我們臺灣已經遇到幾個重大的天災事變吼那包含兩個重大的颱風還有我們加一的中普大地震那我剛剛看到我們的資料顯示我們2023年2024年還有即將審查的2025年的中央總預算那主計總總署有編列的災害準備金\n\n02:37.281 --> 02:51.588\n那分別是46億決算數是46億跟20億去年的預算數還有今年準備要編列的是50億我們看到是有所提升但是根據這個國際災害資料庫裡面顯示說2023年的重大災害是366件已經經濟屬實是1598億左右的美金\n\n03:02.293 --> 03:19.691\n那我認為說這樣子的天然災害的救助這個院長你怎麼看就是你覺得未來的在編列的可能性是不是要予以增強因為現在看起來除了天災之外當然還有可能的我們必須要這個區域衝突等等不知道院長怎麼看這個部分\n\n03:20.832 --> 03:47.037\n當然天然災害是一個非常不可預測的行為它可能造成的這個任何傷害尤其是明年度我們在現在都很難去預測我們只能準備一個我們認為在依照目前國家財政的能力上面可以支應而且它又必須符合財政紀律它又不能會大幅的增加我們的債務餘額同時它又可以在執行的時候我們有足夠的執行力可以執行下去\n\n03:47.637 --> 03:48.919\n謝謝院長,因為我必須提到可能過去四五年五六年\n\n04:03.780 --> 04:06.002\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷\n\n04:33.530 --> 04:58.902\n院長應該知道阿里山但是可能不知道阿里山周遭的幾個鄉鎮包含中埔鄉、梅山鄉、竹崎鄉、阿里山其實都算是翻路鄉都是大阿里山的一個門戶那我們是認為說過去在這幾年自從我們爭取到這個太平雲梯的風景區之後那有觀光客的倍增其實不只是倍增是數以倍增不知道是幾倍的狀況不斷的在提升\n\n04:59.562 --> 05:27.555\n那在雲梯、吊橋、然後其他的交通設施其實已經慢慢的不服使用為什麼這麼說?因為旅客已經超過他原本設計的預期所以在地方上面有很多人反映希望說未來可以建置梅山纜車的概念那這個纜車它能夠帶動的不僅僅是梅山鄉而已包含鄰近的阿里山、大阿里山的山區都可以因為這一個景區的設置來增強它的觀光量能\n\n05:28.095 --> 05:47.622\n那不管是生態永續因為我們知道說用纜車的話比起大量的遊覽車然後跟大量的私家轎車上去它的對環境的影響度會較低所以這個部分不知道院長怎麼看因為這個規劃上面其實今年8月我們有召開公聽會\n\n05:48.522 --> 06:15.581\n那目前已經由阿里山風景區管理處來去爭取說在梅山周遭的環境整備計畫來去辦理那我們的這個纜車的路線規劃上面那我們是希望說從舊的梅山國小到望峰斷崖到太平雲梯遊客服務中心共5公里那5公里的話我們認為是應該在這個可行性上面趕快進行評估這個部分院長怎麼看\n\n06:16.172 --> 06:33.800\n好,謝謝委員。在開米颱風之後,我也搭阿里山的火車,就去到被大樹攔阻的地方,火車不能再前進。當時我就想說,跟這個工程人員表示,如果競速修好,我還是希望能夠有一天很順暢,因為這到底是台灣非常重要的觀光景點。\n\n06:34.580 --> 06:35.020\n主席主席主席\n\n07:04.540 --> 07:05.941\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．陳冠廷二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。\n\n07:32.654 --> 07:49.513\n這個部分我想院長應該知道說中部產業園區它的這個開發的概念我簡單講一下它的園區大概是67公頃那它的容許的產業類別是電子零組件的製造業跟機械設備、汽車、飲料、食品等等\n\n07:50.174 --> 08:16.008\n那我想請教一下這個嘉義中埔跟水上園區的合訂開發計畫那跟這個農產品加工跟倉儲為主另外有比例比較低的電子零組件製造業那有很多我們在地的鄉親他可能已經不是我的選區我選區是中埔鄉還有水上鄉的鄉親他們共同的反應他是一個整個生活圈他們希望說能夠有高科技產業的上游的生產鏈可以加入來去增加這個我們的就業人口院長\n\n08:16.488 --> 08:25.073\n我希望把這個心聲傳給你是不是也可以請我們的相關主管、行政機關來一起協助來去把這個地方的比例看看可不可以來去促成\n\n08:25.691 --> 08:50.813\n好的委員我們現在有個構想想把台灣分成六個區域治理的計畫那其中雲加南這個部分我們會有一個整體的區域性的這個治理計畫那逐步的來實施那您說的剛剛說的這個中埔的科技園區如果它能夠更健全在這個整個區域計畫當中成為重要的一環我想我們是非常樂意把它列為一個重要的參考大家一同來討論\n\n08:51.434 --> 09:04.490\n那第一個部分就是我們也是在8月份的時候我有召開這個相關的單位到實地去勘察那我們看到說園區內的製紅紙的設置那是有地方的代表都在反映說可不可以\n\n09:05.609 --> 09:26.307\n有沒有能夠符合就是洪水來襲的滯洪效果還是有疑慮這是第一點那第二部分就是原區的交通運輸大型車輛是不是要另闢道路或者是道路後寬還沒有還沒有獲得主管機關的回補所以這個部分是不是可以請這個相關部門也是請院長來去督促一下因為這個對我們中埔水上他等於是\n\n09:27.310 --> 09:28.151\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n09:49.946 --> 10:02.513\n好,謝謝,謝謝院長院長接下來可能跟這個經濟部比較有關係齁那他是跟地樂開發前幾天我們有去應該說我啦我有去這個諮詢郭部長齁那來提問說關於台灣地樂開發的潛能\n\n10:07.156 --> 10:28.732\n那我知道我們現在中研院的研究團隊跟中油技術開發團隊已經在宜蘭、園山有開發說第一口深層地熱探測井那傳出來的好消息那包含這個說前幾天部長也有說他這個地熱的潛能加起來可以達24到36MW可以足夠非常多的家庭用電\n\n10:29.753 --> 10:57.000\n那我看資料顯示說我們臺電2023年的全國總發電量是2821億度那低熱發電的容量因素最少50%的前提下一年可以生產逾1752億度所以說未來如果臺灣的低熱能夠再增加這個第二景的話對於我們的再生能源特別是一些我們重大的產業臺積電等等必須需要用綠色能源的話那是有很大的這個幫助可是目前我們政府原先預估\n\n10:57.540 --> 10:59.681\n報告委員我們會來修正這樣的一個計畫因為這個地熱目前在圓山所開的這個一號井\n\n11:26.735 --> 11:53.761\n他是一個探勘的一個警不是真正的當然也不是說真正的他有機會我們希望因為驗證這個中央研究院的這個技術他只是一個在探勘那個整個的地層的狀況那應該可以加速我們認知這個警值不值得再開這個如果一旦成功的話\n\n11:54.517 --> 11:54.938\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n12:12.419 --> 12:40.931\n我們比較保守的數字那個保守的數字大概就是淺層的地熱那個1000公尺的這個地熱那如果要像我們這一次在那邊測試的這個4000到6000公尺的地熱坦白講這個在世界上面還算是這個比較新的這個技術所以我們必須要去觀察如果這個技術能夠成功對台灣來講是一個非常棒的一個成就\n\n12:41.733 --> 13:03.686\n部長,我看說去年的我們探勘的範圍從東部擴展到西部,包含谷關、東埔、關子嶺、寶萊等地,他們是屬於淺層還是深層?淺層的。所以這樣子看起來從東到西、從北到南都有很大的可能性,我們可以這樣講嗎?大概我們可以這樣觀察,就是如果有溫泉的地方,大概都是淺層的。\n\n13:06.461 --> 13:11.308\n對但是我們現在要挖更深一點到4000到6000的話這是一個新的技術\n\n13:12.638 --> 13:39.803\n這個技術所以我們現在就是如果能夠成功的因為你知道嘛這個就是說這都是成本啦齁那當我們挖到4000公尺它的成本是很高的結果它那個水下來水出來是不夠熱不能夠為你做地熱的這個發電所用的話那這個整個的成本就變成沉沒成本所以對我們來講我們希望它的成本能夠\n\n13:40.848 --> 14:05.642\n因為這個目前以全美國的資料來看大概我們現在開發的成本大概要14塊錢一度電要14塊錢但是如果我們非常精準的去開發的話那麼它有機會讓我們進到我們可以接受的成本大概要多少錢這個我想目前只能預估而已\n\n14:06.223 --> 14:29.817\n好,謝謝部長,因為第二畢竟它是可以24小時做一個很穩定的基載電源,不因為氣候所影響。如果說探勘成功,有效率的運用的話,那我們是可以把再生能源跟科技重鎮的台灣兩立的,這不是互相矛盾互相衝突的。所以我為什麼不但在強調這件事情是因為,\n\n14:31.017 --> 14:56.075\n其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者是風電那它有它的重要的地位但是還是有一個不能作為基載能源的一個挑戰那所以多元的再生能源多元的綠色能源也是一個確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的一個目的那接下來最後跟外交部比較有關聯那是針對台灣跟印度的這個執行的部分\n\n14:57.059 --> 15:16.255\n那這一次我們最近印度的排燈節剛結束那我們可以知道說我們台灣跟印度之間不管是在印太戰略或者是在產業投資上面這幾年是有非常大的幅度的產生那為了因應未來台印之間不管是進出口投資是不是要盡快的來討論復航的計畫吳釗燮在2024年1月22日在國慶的酒會上面有說期待出城\n\n15:45.156 --> 15:47.821\n好OK謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.393,"end":7.988,"text":"麻煩請主席請院長請卓院長備詢"},{"start":19.289,"end":37.462,"text":"委員好 非常好 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已。"],["陳委員冠廷：好，謝謝部長。因為地熱畢竟是可以24小時、做為一個很穩定的基載電源，不因為氣候所影響。如果探勘成功，有效率運用的話，是可以讓再生能源與科技重鎮的臺灣兩利的，這不是互相矛盾、互相衝突的。"],["郭部長智輝：是的。"],["陳委員冠廷：所以我為什麼不斷在強調這件事情，是因為其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者風電，有其重要地位，但還是有不能做為基載能源的一個挑戰。因此多元的再生能源、多元的綠色能源，也是確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的目的。","最後，跟外交部比較有關聯的是針對臺灣和印度直航的部分。最近印度的排燈節剛結束，我們可以知道臺灣和印度之間，不管是在印太戰略或者在產業投資上面，這幾年有非常大幅度的產生，為了因應未來臺印之間不管是進出口投資，是不是要儘快討論復航的計畫？吳釗燮於2024年1月22日在國慶酒會上面說期待促成臺印直航，不知道就這個部分，次長可不可以簡單回應一下？"],["吳次長志中：報告委員，跟印度的這個部分我們現在都有積極在處理，那林部長現在有經貿外交，期待當然跟印度的關係可以持續加強，所以委員講的這些，外交部都有照著方案在進行，請委員放心，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝。"],["吳次長志中：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員、謝謝卓院長。","報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是來自南港高中的第二批同學，我們也歡迎他們來立法院參訪。","接下來請洪委員孟楷質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":124,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","陳昭姿","李坤城","林思銘","林國成","陳冠廷","洪孟楷","張雅琳","張嘉郡","陳培瑜","林德福","王正旭","鄭天財Sra 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