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00:01:16,873\n的這個總預算也破千億元。那其實我們從這個預算可以看到就是國家就像院長今天早上說的國家正處於重要的發展的階段那我還是這邊要呼籲我們的朝野啦可以一起來以人民為優先一起來通過這個總預算案來照顧我們全體人民的福祉可以順利的推展那這邊是想要先謝謝院長的努力\n\n4\n00:01:17,573 --> 00:01:41,943\n謝謝委員因為國人的努力跟產業的發展我們才有能力在這種稅數的狀況底下編這樣的稅數那我們會花在最需要的地方當然我希望在大院審查了之後也能用大院各位委員的意見經驗告訴我們用適度的調整讓我們能夠執行上更順暢這我表示非常的感謝對那接下來我想要跟院長來討論一個比較特別的預算就是兒少預算就是說在1989年\n\n5\n00:01:45,901 --> 00:02:06,959\n1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任所以呢他就應該要像其他的年齡族群能夠去為了保障他能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求啊所以其實我們在第8條裡面有去規定說各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利所需要的經費應該要以財政狀況優先編列並且逐年實施\n\n6\n00:02:12,725 --> 00:02:28,829\n那額上預算其實相關是涵蓋了像是政策、措施、計畫、公務、基金及特別預算但是我看了這三年來我們的各級政府的預算包含了中央政府跟地方政府我們的預算總預算從2021年的5062億元逐年提高到2023年的5417億元總共增加了355億元\n\n7\n00:02:39,651 --> 00:03:00,924\n不過我們再來看看跟OECD的國家相比,OECD的總支出其實各國都會略有,因為體制上面會略有差異。不過以今年數據來說,各國的占比,OECD的國家占比是到6%,那您知道,院長您知道我們台灣兒少的占比,占GDP的多少嗎?\n\n8\n00:03:02,489 --> 00:03:24,178\n如果照這樣的數字算起來,應該是2,百分之2左右吧。喔,院長數學非常好耶,就是沒錯,我們可以看到我們的GDP佔比大概只有2%,那院長再想請教您喔,您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比,為什麼我們的比例人家是6%,而我們卻是2%,這個差異之大的原因是什麼?\n\n9\n00:03:25,317 --> 00:03:42,223\n這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的臺灣要成為一個更文明的國家我們對扶老吸幼的政策還要更落實徹底不過我們在每個兒少一個人能夠分配的金額來講預算來講是有約略的增加的那以後我們會持續的努力\n\n10\n00:03:42,858 --> 00:03:59,036\n我想就是說這個部分我不知道可不可以要求就是院長責成衛福部來做一個好好的研議到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差呢那這樣子未來我們在編列相關的預算的時候才能夠確實的去符合我們OECD國家的一個水平\n\n11\n00:03:59,718 --> 00:04:22,790\n好的,我們現在在相關的福利、保護以及教育跟發展這個方面我們都有所增加那是不是要增加其他更重要的款項目或者在四個項目當中我們更有能力以後考量我們財政的能力要做適度增加我會請衛福部把它列為很重要的一個考量的依據跟方向那跟委員也請教更多的專業意見\n\n12\n00:04:23,783 --> 00:04:42,949\n我想這個因為其實我們都有做一些相關的研究啦衛福部過去都有做那我希望說我們跟OECD國家的相比這個差異點還是要持續的去做下去那再來就是說其實在統計資料因為剛剛院長其實也有提到就是說我們在跟我們的預算好像是逐年有在增加在各個面向上面但是我們來看一下我們在這個\n\n13\n00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:59,101\n這是衛福部之前在1、2年的時候這是台灣大學中國信託慈善基金會他們在1、2年做的一些相關的研究他們其實有發現我們這6項權益低於OECD第一個就是低種生育率、低出生\n\n14\n00:04:59,842 --> 00:05:00,443\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．張雅琳\n\n15\n00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:53,218\n提升了20%但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%而我們的兒少人口是15%我們的兒少預算也只有8%所以這代表是說我們雖然在一些相關的領域我們是有編列了相關的預算但如果我們仔細的看下去我們仔細的看下去我們可能2023年跟2017年來相比我們的兒幼兒0到6歲的幼兒我們的預算成長了6倍\n\n16\n00:05:54,861 --> 00:06:23,299\n六倍可是我們的少年預算呢卻減少了3000這就是剛剛說院長有提到說我們有增加但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利而我也認為這很重要但我也認為青少年的福利也應該要持續的來去增加因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢他們在城市裡的空間\n\n17\n00:06:25,823 --> 00:06:39,640\n發言的機會相對來說都是缺乏的在2022年的兒少權利公約國際審查他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵就是他們關鍵到我們台灣的高自殺率青少年的自殺率\n\n18\n00:06:40,899 --> 00:06:57,137\n他們有提到就是說可能家庭的部分我們家庭的壓力也很大然後我們的休憩時間跟空間都不足所以我只是在想就是說我們任務我想請教院長我們在少年的這一塊預算我們還有沒有一些可以努力的地方\n\n19\n00:06:58,301 --> 00:07:24,100\n謝謝我的提醒回想起來我們的政策從0到2歲的專班0到6歲的國家一起養以及到高職的免學費到大學的這個私立大學的補助等等我們都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的一些政策倒是在義務教育這個部分我們除了現在的義務教育之外好像比較少去做這個地方的琢磨我認為這個地方可能就是\n\n20\n00:07:25,041 --> 00:07:38,857\n會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況那以後我想我們會有比較周圍的考量把它補足起來好那院長我想要給個建議就是說因為其實休憩的空間還是蠻重要的啦所以我只是在希望說\n\n21\n00:07:40,118 --> 00:08:05,586\n院長呢是不是可以邀請大家一起來去思考像是新興的運動空間啦、圖書館的少年友善規劃或者是說公共事務參與的培力等等或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等的喔是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及我們的文化部大家一起來努力呢在這個領域上面好的謝謝委員提醒教育部或是衛部有重要的意見或政策我們以後都跟委員來報告我們一起來討論\n\n22\n00:08:07,291 --> 00:08:34,664\n因為我希望就是說因為這是每個人投分到的這個千元數12到18歲這一塊的確是持續的在下降的那再來就是說我們現在剛剛其實我感覺院長真的對我們這個兒少的相關的政策其實也非常的熟悉我們在兒少權力公約裡面的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康教育、保護等等的那我想請院長再來猜猜看\n\n23\n00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:35,524\n教育答對了\n\n24\n00:08:46,567 --> 00:09:15,216\n好對是教育那其次就是我們的福利啦健康發展等等的那這三年來我看到就行政院有配合這個少子化對策啊前瞻計畫建設因應少子化建設啊強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力我們的福利類其實增加了282億教育類增加了34億健康增加了25億保護類增加了7億但是發展類雖然也有增加\n\n25\n00:09:15,776 --> 00:09:16,076\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n26\n00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:57,257\n以及相關的文化全職職涯發展那在我們自己的這個衛福部列舉的項目其實是包含了像是兒童權利相關訓練、宣導、兒童及少年福利服務、文化休閒娛樂設施、活動、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級管理等等等等看起來有好多的項目\n\n27\n00:09:58,118 --> 00:10:22,704\n但是我們實際上去看預算的時候我們發現主要的編列在於文化部的文化部長、原住民委員會兩項那其他是在地方的就是共同遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的新建或改善新少年的就業輔導與職業訓練還有一些文化活動所以我自己會在看這件事情的時候我會覺得我們對於發展預算項目類別似乎想像有限\n\n28\n00:10:24,130 --> 00:10:51,865\n想像非常的線索但我也想要跟部長還有院長們來院長來談一件事情我們最近這幾年其實我們回到剛剛講的高自殺率的青少年的高自殺率的這個問題或是我們講的兒童的近視率過胖率這體重還有這些憂鬱症等等的這些身心的問題其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早的早期來去投入更多的資源來幫助他們好好的發展\n\n29\n00:10:53,165 --> 00:11:16,875\n這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效。我想大家都知道一句話嘛,預防勝於治療。所以我只是在想說我們是不是可以在這個領域上面如何的去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表役、遊戲、休憩等等的權利。如果以我們現在的預算項目,我們是不是還有改善的空間呢?\n\n30\n00:11:17,535 --> 00:11:44,312\n是的,剛剛委員提出有6項比較重要的項目我現在回憶起來當中我們可能只對第2項那個低出生體重那個議題討論的比較少其他5項我們從人口政策從教育各方面我們都有約了討論那以後我們會把它做一個更有系統的規劃那另外就是在年齡層以及這種發展策略項目的一些不夠均衡的部分我們也一併把它做為重要的檢討\n\n31\n00:11:45,080 --> 00:12:09,081\n我想因為發展的預算真的跟其他相比來說是非常非常少但是發展其實是可以幫助一個孩子長得更好更健康那我想也是為國家可以所用的人才都是在發展這個領域所以我還是希望就是未來我們可以有更多的想像在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們的兒少的遊戲權那其實我有發現就是我們公園修繕\n\n32\n00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:36,665\n的一個10億元的經費其實已經編列以及執行完畢了那從明年開始之後我們工人就會面臨無費用可用的一個狀態所以希望院長可以來研議是不是請內政部來攜手地方政府一起來努力呢好的我會請內政部注意這個狀況謝謝謝謝院長那其實院長我想問一個問題就是從現在我們看的數據都是113年比112年或是都看過去的數據\n\n33\n00:12:38,311 --> 00:13:05,169\n院長你會不會覺得很奇怪為什麼我都是拿113年來比為什麼我不是拿114年來比呢?你知道原因是什麼嗎?114年的預算你我共同還在努力中我們雖然我們共同還在努力中還有一個很重要的關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填製的所以並不是在預算編列的時候就會去匯編所以我們現在很難去看到一個兒少的整體的預算以114年來說我是看不到的\n\n34\n00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:17,905\n所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要\n\n35\n00:13:20,092 --> 00:13:47,185\n是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部\n\n36\n00:13:48,052 --> 00:13:56,944\n好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行,那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來。\n\n37\n00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:24,702\n我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁\n\n38\n00:14:25,522 --> 00:14:26,383\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n39\n00:14:44,756 --> 00:14:55,538\n但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來\n\n40\n00:15:11,502 --> 00:15:11,522\n謝謝張委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11594\t36895\t謝謝主席。有請院長。好,請左院長備詢。安委員好。院長好。《114年度中央政府總預算案》稅出3兆1325億元。如果我們從正式別來看,不加計特別預算及基金,市府支出其實來到了8310億元。\n40089\t44754\t教育、科學、文化支出也達到6,050億元,經濟發展支出達到5,386億元,國防支出達到4,674億元。同時,運動部明年要成立也先編列了相關的經費93億元,0-6歲國家養。\n54963\t76873\t的這個總預算也破千億元。那其實我們從這個預算可以看到就是國家就像院長今天早上說的國家正處於重要的發展的階段那我還是這邊要呼籲我們的朝野啦可以一起來以人民為優先一起來通過這個總預算案來照顧我們全體人民的福祉可以順利的推展那這邊是想要先謝謝院長的努力\n77573\t101943\t謝謝委員因為國人的努力跟產業的發展我們才有能力在這種稅數的狀況底下編這樣的稅數那我們會花在最需要的地方當然我希望在大院審查了之後也能用大院各位委員的意見經驗告訴我們用適度的調整讓我們能夠執行上更順暢這我表示非常的感謝對那接下來我想要跟院長來討論一個比較特別的預算就是兒少預算就是說在1989年\n105901\t126959\t1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任所以呢他就應該要像其他的年齡族群能夠去為了保障他能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求啊所以其實我們在第8條裡面有去規定說各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利所需要的經費應該要以財政狀況優先編列並且逐年實施\n132725\t148829\t那額上預算其實相關是涵蓋了像是政策、措施、計畫、公務、基金及特別預算但是我看了這三年來我們的各級政府的預算包含了中央政府跟地方政府我們的預算總預算從2021年的5062億元逐年提高到2023年的5417億元總共增加了355億元\n159651\t180924\t不過我們再來看看跟OECD的國家相比,OECD的總支出其實各國都會略有,因為體制上面會略有差異。不過以今年數據來說,各國的占比,OECD的國家占比是到6%,那您知道,院長您知道我們台灣兒少的占比,占GDP的多少嗎?\n182489\t204178\t如果照這樣的數字算起來,應該是2,百分之2左右吧。喔,院長數學非常好耶,就是沒錯,我們可以看到我們的GDP佔比大概只有2%,那院長再想請教您喔,您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比,為什麼我們的比例人家是6%,而我們卻是2%,這個差異之大的原因是什麼?\n205317\t222223\t這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的臺灣要成為一個更文明的國家我們對扶老吸幼的政策還要更落實徹底不過我們在每個兒少一個人能夠分配的金額來講預算來講是有約略的增加的那以後我們會持續的努力\n222858\t239036\t我想就是說這個部分我不知道可不可以要求就是院長責成衛福部來做一個好好的研議到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差呢那這樣子未來我們在編列相關的預算的時候才能夠確實的去符合我們OECD國家的一個水平\n239718\t262790\t好的,我們現在在相關的福利、保護以及教育跟發展這個方面我們都有所增加那是不是要增加其他更重要的款項目或者在四個項目當中我們更有能力以後考量我們財政的能力要做適度增加我會請衛福部把它列為很重要的一個考量的依據跟方向那跟委員也請教更多的專業意見\n263783\t282949\t我想這個因為其實我們都有做一些相關的研究啦衛福部過去都有做那我希望說我們跟OECD國家的相比這個差異點還是要持續的去做下去那再來就是說其實在統計資料因為剛剛院長其實也有提到就是說我們在跟我們的預算好像是逐年有在增加在各個面向上面但是我們來看一下我們在這個\n284680\t299101\t這是衛福部之前在1、2年的時候這是台灣大學中國信託慈善基金會他們在1、2年做的一些相關的研究他們其實有發現我們這6項權益低於OECD第一個就是低種生育率、低出生\n299842\t300443\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．張雅琳\n324158\t353218\t提升了20%但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%而我們的兒少人口是15%我們的兒少預算也只有8%所以這代表是說我們雖然在一些相關的領域我們是有編列了相關的預算但如果我們仔細的看下去我們仔細的看下去我們可能2023年跟2017年來相比我們的兒幼兒0到6歲的幼兒我們的預算成長了6倍\n354861\t383299\t六倍可是我們的少年預算呢卻減少了3000這就是剛剛說院長有提到說我們有增加但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利而我也認為這很重要但我也認為青少年的福利也應該要持續的來去增加因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢他們在城市裡的空間\n385823\t399640\t發言的機會相對來說都是缺乏的在2022年的兒少權利公約國際審查他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵就是他們關鍵到我們台灣的高自殺率青少年的自殺率\n400899\t417137\t他們有提到就是說可能家庭的部分我們家庭的壓力也很大然後我們的休憩時間跟空間都不足所以我只是在想就是說我們任務我想請教院長我們在少年的這一塊預算我們還有沒有一些可以努力的地方\n418301\t444100\t謝謝我的提醒回想起來我們的政策從0到2歲的專班0到6歲的國家一起養以及到高職的免學費到大學的這個私立大學的補助等等我們都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的一些政策倒是在義務教育這個部分我們除了現在的義務教育之外好像比較少去做這個地方的琢磨我認為這個地方可能就是\n445041\t458857\t會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況那以後我想我們會有比較周圍的考量把它補足起來好那院長我想要給個建議就是說因為其實休憩的空間還是蠻重要的啦所以我只是在希望說\n460118\t485586\t院長呢是不是可以邀請大家一起來去思考像是新興的運動空間啦、圖書館的少年友善規劃或者是說公共事務參與的培力等等或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等的喔是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及我們的文化部大家一起來努力呢在這個領域上面好的謝謝委員提醒教育部或是衛部有重要的意見或政策我們以後都跟委員來報告我們一起來討論\n487291\t514664\t因為我希望就是說因為這是每個人投分到的這個千元數12到18歲這一塊的確是持續的在下降的那再來就是說我們現在剛剛其實我感覺院長真的對我們這個兒少的相關的政策其實也非常的熟悉我們在兒少權力公約裡面的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康教育、保護等等的那我想請院長再來猜猜看\n515384\t515524\t教育答對了\n526567\t555216\t好對是教育那其次就是我們的福利啦健康發展等等的那這三年來我看到就行政院有配合這個少子化對策啊前瞻計畫建設因應少子化建設啊強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力我們的福利類其實增加了282億教育類增加了34億健康增加了25億保護類增加了7億但是發展類雖然也有增加\n555776\t556076\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n576201\t597257\t以及相關的文化全職職涯發展那在我們自己的這個衛福部列舉的項目其實是包含了像是兒童權利相關訓練、宣導、兒童及少年福利服務、文化休閒娛樂設施、活動、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級管理等等等等看起來有好多的項目\n598118\t622704\t但是我們實際上去看預算的時候我們發現主要的編列在於文化部的文化部長、原住民委員會兩項那其他是在地方的就是共同遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的新建或改善新少年的就業輔導與職業訓練還有一些文化活動所以我自己會在看這件事情的時候我會覺得我們對於發展預算項目類別似乎想像有限\n624130\t651865\t想像非常的線索但我也想要跟部長還有院長們來院長來談一件事情我們最近這幾年其實我們回到剛剛講的高自殺率的青少年的高自殺率的這個問題或是我們講的兒童的近視率過胖率這體重還有這些憂鬱症等等的這些身心的問題其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早的早期來去投入更多的資源來幫助他們好好的發展\n653165\t676875\t這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效。我想大家都知道一句話嘛,預防勝於治療。所以我只是在想說我們是不是可以在這個領域上面如何的去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表役、遊戲、休憩等等的權利。如果以我們現在的預算項目,我們是不是還有改善的空間呢?\n677535\t704312\t是的,剛剛委員提出有6項比較重要的項目我現在回憶起來當中我們可能只對第2項那個低出生體重那個議題討論的比較少其他5項我們從人口政策從教育各方面我們都有約了討論那以後我們會把它做一個更有系統的規劃那另外就是在年齡層以及這種發展策略項目的一些不夠均衡的部分我們也一併把它做為重要的檢討\n705080\t729081\t我想因為發展的預算真的跟其他相比來說是非常非常少但是發展其實是可以幫助一個孩子長得更好更健康那我想也是為國家可以所用的人才都是在發展這個領域所以我還是希望就是未來我們可以有更多的想像在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們的兒少的遊戲權那其實我有發現就是我們公園修繕\n730680\t756665\t的一個10億元的經費其實已經編列以及執行完畢了那從明年開始之後我們工人就會面臨無費用可用的一個狀態所以希望院長可以來研議是不是請內政部來攜手地方政府一起來努力呢好的我會請內政部注意這個狀況謝謝謝謝院長那其實院長我想問一個問題就是從現在我們看的數據都是113年比112年或是都看過去的數據\n758311\t785169\t院長你會不會覺得很奇怪為什麼我都是拿113年來比為什麼我不是拿114年來比呢?你知道原因是什麼嗎?114年的預算你我共同還在努力中我們雖然我們共同還在努力中還有一個很重要的關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填製的所以並不是在預算編列的時候就會去匯編所以我們現在很難去看到一個兒少的整體的預算以114年來說我是看不到的\n786590\t797905\t所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要\n800092\t827185\t是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部\n828052\t836944\t好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行,那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來。\n837680\t864702\t我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁\n865522\t866383\t二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n884756\t895538\t但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來\n911502\t911522\t謝謝張委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請院長。好,請左院長備詢。安委員好。院長好。《114年度中央政府總預算案》稅出3兆1325億元。如果我們從正式別來看,不加計特別預算及基金,市府支出其實來到了8310億元。\n教育、科學、文化支出也達到6,050億元,經濟發展支出達到5,386億元,國防支出達到4,674億元。同時,運動部明年要成立也先編列了相關的經費93億元,0-6歲國家養。\n的這個總預算也破千億元。那其實我們從這個預算可以看到就是國家就像院長今天早上說的國家正處於重要的發展的階段那我還是這邊要呼籲我們的朝野啦可以一起來以人民為優先一起來通過這個總預算案來照顧我們全體人民的福祉可以順利的推展那這邊是想要先謝謝院長的努力\n謝謝委員因為國人的努力跟產業的發展我們才有能力在這種稅數的狀況底下編這樣的稅數那我們會花在最需要的地方當然我希望在大院審查了之後也能用大院各位委員的意見經驗告訴我們用適度的調整讓我們能夠執行上更順暢這我表示非常的感謝對那接下來我想要跟院長來討論一個比較特別的預算就是兒少預算就是說在1989年\n1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任所以呢他就應該要像其他的年齡族群能夠去為了保障他能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求啊所以其實我們在第8條裡面有去規定說各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利所需要的經費應該要以財政狀況優先編列並且逐年實施\n那額上預算其實相關是涵蓋了像是政策、措施、計畫、公務、基金及特別預算但是我看了這三年來我們的各級政府的預算包含了中央政府跟地方政府我們的預算總預算從2021年的5062億元逐年提高到2023年的5417億元總共增加了355億元\n不過我們再來看看跟OECD的國家相比,OECD的總支出其實各國都會略有,因為體制上面會略有差異。不過以今年數據來說,各國的占比,OECD的國家占比是到6%,那您知道,院長您知道我們台灣兒少的占比,占GDP的多少嗎?\n如果照這樣的數字算起來,應該是2,百分之2左右吧。喔,院長數學非常好耶,就是沒錯,我們可以看到我們的GDP佔比大概只有2%,那院長再想請教您喔,您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比,為什麼我們的比例人家是6%,而我們卻是2%,這個差異之大的原因是什麼?\n這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的臺灣要成為一個更文明的國家我們對扶老吸幼的政策還要更落實徹底不過我們在每個兒少一個人能夠分配的金額來講預算來講是有約略的增加的那以後我們會持續的努力\n我想就是說這個部分我不知道可不可以要求就是院長責成衛福部來做一個好好的研議到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差呢那這樣子未來我們在編列相關的預算的時候才能夠確實的去符合我們OECD國家的一個水平\n好的,我們現在在相關的福利、保護以及教育跟發展這個方面我們都有所增加那是不是要增加其他更重要的款項目或者在四個項目當中我們更有能力以後考量我們財政的能力要做適度增加我會請衛福部把它列為很重要的一個考量的依據跟方向那跟委員也請教更多的專業意見\n我想這個因為其實我們都有做一些相關的研究啦衛福部過去都有做那我希望說我們跟OECD國家的相比這個差異點還是要持續的去做下去那再來就是說其實在統計資料因為剛剛院長其實也有提到就是說我們在跟我們的預算好像是逐年有在增加在各個面向上面但是我們來看一下我們在這個\n這是衛福部之前在1、2年的時候這是台灣大學中國信託慈善基金會他們在1、2年做的一些相關的研究他們其實有發現我們這6項權益低於OECD第一個就是低種生育率、低出生\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．張雅琳\n提升了20%但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%而我們的兒少人口是15%我們的兒少預算也只有8%所以這代表是說我們雖然在一些相關的領域我們是有編列了相關的預算但如果我們仔細的看下去我們仔細的看下去我們可能2023年跟2017年來相比我們的兒幼兒0到6歲的幼兒我們的預算成長了6倍\n六倍可是我們的少年預算呢卻減少了3000這就是剛剛說院長有提到說我們有增加但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利而我也認為這很重要但我也認為青少年的福利也應該要持續的來去增加因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢他們在城市裡的空間\n發言的機會相對來說都是缺乏的在2022年的兒少權利公約國際審查他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵就是他們關鍵到我們台灣的高自殺率青少年的自殺率\n他們有提到就是說可能家庭的部分我們家庭的壓力也很大然後我們的休憩時間跟空間都不足所以我只是在想就是說我們任務我想請教院長我們在少年的這一塊預算我們還有沒有一些可以努力的地方\n謝謝我的提醒回想起來我們的政策從0到2歲的專班0到6歲的國家一起養以及到高職的免學費到大學的這個私立大學的補助等等我們都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的一些政策倒是在義務教育這個部分我們除了現在的義務教育之外好像比較少去做這個地方的琢磨我認為這個地方可能就是\n會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況那以後我想我們會有比較周圍的考量把它補足起來好那院長我想要給個建議就是說因為其實休憩的空間還是蠻重要的啦所以我只是在希望說\n院長呢是不是可以邀請大家一起來去思考像是新興的運動空間啦、圖書館的少年友善規劃或者是說公共事務參與的培力等等或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等的喔是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及我們的文化部大家一起來努力呢在這個領域上面好的謝謝委員提醒教育部或是衛部有重要的意見或政策我們以後都跟委員來報告我們一起來討論\n因為我希望就是說因為這是每個人投分到的這個千元數12到18歲這一塊的確是持續的在下降的那再來就是說我們現在剛剛其實我感覺院長真的對我們這個兒少的相關的政策其實也非常的熟悉我們在兒少權力公約裡面的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康教育、保護等等的那我想請院長再來猜猜看\n教育答對了\n好對是教育那其次就是我們的福利啦健康發展等等的那這三年來我看到就行政院有配合這個少子化對策啊前瞻計畫建設因應少子化建設啊強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力我們的福利類其實增加了282億教育類增加了34億健康增加了25億保護類增加了7億但是發展類雖然也有增加\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n以及相關的文化全職職涯發展那在我們自己的這個衛福部列舉的項目其實是包含了像是兒童權利相關訓練、宣導、兒童及少年福利服務、文化休閒娛樂設施、活動、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級管理等等等等看起來有好多的項目\n但是我們實際上去看預算的時候我們發現主要的編列在於文化部的文化部長、原住民委員會兩項那其他是在地方的就是共同遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的新建或改善新少年的就業輔導與職業訓練還有一些文化活動所以我自己會在看這件事情的時候我會覺得我們對於發展預算項目類別似乎想像有限\n想像非常的線索但我也想要跟部長還有院長們來院長來談一件事情我們最近這幾年其實我們回到剛剛講的高自殺率的青少年的高自殺率的這個問題或是我們講的兒童的近視率過胖率這體重還有這些憂鬱症等等的這些身心的問題其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早的早期來去投入更多的資源來幫助他們好好的發展\n這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效。我想大家都知道一句話嘛,預防勝於治療。所以我只是在想說我們是不是可以在這個領域上面如何的去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表役、遊戲、休憩等等的權利。如果以我們現在的預算項目,我們是不是還有改善的空間呢?\n是的,剛剛委員提出有6項比較重要的項目我現在回憶起來當中我們可能只對第2項那個低出生體重那個議題討論的比較少其他5項我們從人口政策從教育各方面我們都有約了討論那以後我們會把它做一個更有系統的規劃那另外就是在年齡層以及這種發展策略項目的一些不夠均衡的部分我們也一併把它做為重要的檢討\n我想因為發展的預算真的跟其他相比來說是非常非常少但是發展其實是可以幫助一個孩子長得更好更健康那我想也是為國家可以所用的人才都是在發展這個領域所以我還是希望就是未來我們可以有更多的想像在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們的兒少的遊戲權那其實我有發現就是我們公園修繕\n的一個10億元的經費其實已經編列以及執行完畢了那從明年開始之後我們工人就會面臨無費用可用的一個狀態所以希望院長可以來研議是不是請內政部來攜手地方政府一起來努力呢好的我會請內政部注意這個狀況謝謝謝謝院長那其實院長我想問一個問題就是從現在我們看的數據都是113年比112年或是都看過去的數據\n院長你會不會覺得很奇怪為什麼我都是拿113年來比為什麼我不是拿114年來比呢?你知道原因是什麼嗎?114年的預算你我共同還在努力中我們雖然我們共同還在努力中還有一個很重要的關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填製的所以並不是在預算編列的時候就會去匯編所以我們現在很難去看到一個兒少的整體的預算以114年來說我是看不到的\n所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要\n是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部\n好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行,那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來。\n我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來\n謝謝張委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.594 --> 00:36.895\n謝謝主席。有請院長。好,請左院長備詢。安委員好。院長好。《114年度中央政府總預算案》稅出3兆1325億元。如果我們從正式別來看,不加計特別預算及基金,市府支出其實來到了8310億元。\n\n00:40.089 --> 00:44.754\n教育、科學、文化支出也達到6,050億元,經濟發展支出達到5,386億元,國防支出達到4,674億元。同時,運動部明年要成立也先編列了相關的經費93億元,0-6歲國家養。\n\n00:54.963 --> 01:16.873\n的這個總預算也破千億元。那其實我們從這個預算可以看到就是國家就像院長今天早上說的國家正處於重要的發展的階段那我還是這邊要呼籲我們的朝野啦可以一起來以人民為優先一起來通過這個總預算案來照顧我們全體人民的福祉可以順利的推展那這邊是想要先謝謝院長的努力\n\n01:17.573 --> 01:41.943\n謝謝委員因為國人的努力跟產業的發展我們才有能力在這種稅數的狀況底下編這樣的稅數那我們會花在最需要的地方當然我希望在大院審查了之後也能用大院各位委員的意見經驗告訴我們用適度的調整讓我們能夠執行上更順暢這我表示非常的感謝對那接下來我想要跟院長來討論一個比較特別的預算就是兒少預算就是說在1989年\n\n01:45.901 --> 02:06.959\n1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任所以呢他就應該要像其他的年齡族群能夠去為了保障他能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求啊所以其實我們在第8條裡面有去規定說各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利所需要的經費應該要以財政狀況優先編列並且逐年實施\n\n02:12.725 --> 02:28.829\n那額上預算其實相關是涵蓋了像是政策、措施、計畫、公務、基金及特別預算但是我看了這三年來我們的各級政府的預算包含了中央政府跟地方政府我們的預算總預算從2021年的5062億元逐年提高到2023年的5417億元總共增加了355億元\n\n02:39.651 --> 03:00.924\n不過我們再來看看跟OECD的國家相比,OECD的總支出其實各國都會略有,因為體制上面會略有差異。不過以今年數據來說,各國的占比,OECD的國家占比是到6%,那您知道,院長您知道我們台灣兒少的占比,占GDP的多少嗎?\n\n03:02.489 --> 03:24.178\n如果照這樣的數字算起來,應該是2,百分之2左右吧。喔,院長數學非常好耶,就是沒錯,我們可以看到我們的GDP佔比大概只有2%,那院長再想請教您喔,您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比,為什麼我們的比例人家是6%,而我們卻是2%,這個差異之大的原因是什麼?\n\n03:25.317 --> 03:42.223\n這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的臺灣要成為一個更文明的國家我們對扶老吸幼的政策還要更落實徹底不過我們在每個兒少一個人能夠分配的金額來講預算來講是有約略的增加的那以後我們會持續的努力\n\n03:42.858 --> 03:59.036\n我想就是說這個部分我不知道可不可以要求就是院長責成衛福部來做一個好好的研議到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差呢那這樣子未來我們在編列相關的預算的時候才能夠確實的去符合我們OECD國家的一個水平\n\n03:59.718 --> 04:22.790\n好的,我們現在在相關的福利、保護以及教育跟發展這個方面我們都有所增加那是不是要增加其他更重要的款項目或者在四個項目當中我們更有能力以後考量我們財政的能力要做適度增加我會請衛福部把它列為很重要的一個考量的依據跟方向那跟委員也請教更多的專業意見\n\n04:23.783 --> 04:42.949\n我想這個因為其實我們都有做一些相關的研究啦衛福部過去都有做那我希望說我們跟OECD國家的相比這個差異點還是要持續的去做下去那再來就是說其實在統計資料因為剛剛院長其實也有提到就是說我們在跟我們的預算好像是逐年有在增加在各個面向上面但是我們來看一下我們在這個\n\n04:44.680 --> 04:59.101\n這是衛福部之前在1、2年的時候這是台灣大學中國信託慈善基金會他們在1、2年做的一些相關的研究他們其實有發現我們這6項權益低於OECD第一個就是低種生育率、低出生\n\n04:59.842 --> 05:00.443\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．張雅琳\n\n05:24.158 --> 05:53.218\n提升了20%但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%而我們的兒少人口是15%我們的兒少預算也只有8%所以這代表是說我們雖然在一些相關的領域我們是有編列了相關的預算但如果我們仔細的看下去我們仔細的看下去我們可能2023年跟2017年來相比我們的兒幼兒0到6歲的幼兒我們的預算成長了6倍\n\n05:54.861 --> 06:23.299\n六倍可是我們的少年預算呢卻減少了3000這就是剛剛說院長有提到說我們有增加但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利而我也認為這很重要但我也認為青少年的福利也應該要持續的來去增加因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢他們在城市裡的空間\n\n06:25.823 --> 06:39.640\n發言的機會相對來說都是缺乏的在2022年的兒少權利公約國際審查他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵就是他們關鍵到我們台灣的高自殺率青少年的自殺率\n\n06:40.899 --> 06:57.137\n他們有提到就是說可能家庭的部分我們家庭的壓力也很大然後我們的休憩時間跟空間都不足所以我只是在想就是說我們任務我想請教院長我們在少年的這一塊預算我們還有沒有一些可以努力的地方\n\n06:58.301 --> 07:24.100\n謝謝我的提醒回想起來我們的政策從0到2歲的專班0到6歲的國家一起養以及到高職的免學費到大學的這個私立大學的補助等等我們都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的一些政策倒是在義務教育這個部分我們除了現在的義務教育之外好像比較少去做這個地方的琢磨我認為這個地方可能就是\n\n07:25.041 --> 07:38.857\n會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況那以後我想我們會有比較周圍的考量把它補足起來好那院長我想要給個建議就是說因為其實休憩的空間還是蠻重要的啦所以我只是在希望說\n\n07:40.118 --> 08:05.586\n院長呢是不是可以邀請大家一起來去思考像是新興的運動空間啦、圖書館的少年友善規劃或者是說公共事務參與的培力等等或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等的喔是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及我們的文化部大家一起來努力呢在這個領域上面好的謝謝委員提醒教育部或是衛部有重要的意見或政策我們以後都跟委員來報告我們一起來討論\n\n08:07.291 --> 08:34.664\n因為我希望就是說因為這是每個人投分到的這個千元數12到18歲這一塊的確是持續的在下降的那再來就是說我們現在剛剛其實我感覺院長真的對我們這個兒少的相關的政策其實也非常的熟悉我們在兒少權力公約裡面的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康教育、保護等等的那我想請院長再來猜猜看\n\n08:35.384 --> 08:35.524\n教育答對了\n\n08:46.567 --> 09:15.216\n好對是教育那其次就是我們的福利啦健康發展等等的那這三年來我看到就行政院有配合這個少子化對策啊前瞻計畫建設因應少子化建設啊強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力我們的福利類其實增加了282億教育類增加了34億健康增加了25億保護類增加了7億但是發展類雖然也有增加\n\n09:15.776 --> 09:16.076\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n\n09:36.201 --> 09:57.257\n以及相關的文化全職職涯發展那在我們自己的這個衛福部列舉的項目其實是包含了像是兒童權利相關訓練、宣導、兒童及少年福利服務、文化休閒娛樂設施、活動、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級管理等等等等看起來有好多的項目\n\n09:58.118 --> 10:22.704\n但是我們實際上去看預算的時候我們發現主要的編列在於文化部的文化部長、原住民委員會兩項那其他是在地方的就是共同遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的新建或改善新少年的就業輔導與職業訓練還有一些文化活動所以我自己會在看這件事情的時候我會覺得我們對於發展預算項目類別似乎想像有限\n\n10:24.130 --> 10:51.865\n想像非常的線索但我也想要跟部長還有院長們來院長來談一件事情我們最近這幾年其實我們回到剛剛講的高自殺率的青少年的高自殺率的這個問題或是我們講的兒童的近視率過胖率這體重還有這些憂鬱症等等的這些身心的問題其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早的早期來去投入更多的資源來幫助他們好好的發展\n\n10:53.165 --> 11:16.875\n這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效。我想大家都知道一句話嘛,預防勝於治療。所以我只是在想說我們是不是可以在這個領域上面如何的去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表役、遊戲、休憩等等的權利。如果以我們現在的預算項目,我們是不是還有改善的空間呢?\n\n11:17.535 --> 11:44.312\n是的,剛剛委員提出有6項比較重要的項目我現在回憶起來當中我們可能只對第2項那個低出生體重那個議題討論的比較少其他5項我們從人口政策從教育各方面我們都有約了討論那以後我們會把它做一個更有系統的規劃那另外就是在年齡層以及這種發展策略項目的一些不夠均衡的部分我們也一併把它做為重要的檢討\n\n11:45.080 --> 12:09.081\n我想因為發展的預算真的跟其他相比來說是非常非常少但是發展其實是可以幫助一個孩子長得更好更健康那我想也是為國家可以所用的人才都是在發展這個領域所以我還是希望就是未來我們可以有更多的想像在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們的兒少的遊戲權那其實我有發現就是我們公園修繕\n\n12:10.680 --> 12:36.665\n的一個10億元的經費其實已經編列以及執行完畢了那從明年開始之後我們工人就會面臨無費用可用的一個狀態所以希望院長可以來研議是不是請內政部來攜手地方政府一起來努力呢好的我會請內政部注意這個狀況謝謝謝謝院長那其實院長我想問一個問題就是從現在我們看的數據都是113年比112年或是都看過去的數據\n\n12:38.311 --> 13:05.169\n院長你會不會覺得很奇怪為什麼我都是拿113年來比為什麼我不是拿114年來比呢?你知道原因是什麼嗎?114年的預算你我共同還在努力中我們雖然我們共同還在努力中還有一個很重要的關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填製的所以並不是在預算編列的時候就會去匯編所以我們現在很難去看到一個兒少的整體的預算以114年來說我是看不到的\n\n13:06.590 --> 13:17.905\n所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要\n\n13:20.092 --> 13:47.185\n是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部\n\n13:48.052 --> 13:56.944\n好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行,那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來。\n\n13:57.680 --> 14:24.702\n我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁\n\n14:25.522 --> 14:26.383\n二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間\n\n14:44.756 --> 14:55.538\n但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來\n\n15:11.502 --> 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在很難去看到一個兒少的整體的預算以114年來說我是看不到的"},{"start":786.59,"end":797.905,"text":"所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要"},{"start":800.092,"end":827.185,"text":"是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部"},{"start":828.052,"end":836.944,"text":"好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行,那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來。"},{"start":837.68,"end":864.702,"text":"我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁"},{"start":865.522,"end":866.383,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":884.756,"end":895.538,"text":"但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來"},{"start":911.502,"end":911.522,"text":"謝謝張委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":500,"blocks":[["張委員雅琳：（16時20分）謝謝主席，有請院長。"],["主席：請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：張委員好。"],["張委員雅琳：院長好。114年度中央政府總預算案歲出3兆1,325億元，如果我們從政事別來看，不加計特別預算及基金，社福支出其實來到了8,310億元，教育、科學、文化支出也達到了6,050億元，經濟發展支出達到了5,386億元，國防支出達到了4,674億元；同時，我們的運動部明年要成立，也先編列了相關的經費93億元，「零到六歲國家養」的這個總預算也破千億元。","我們從這個預算可以看到，就像院長今天早上說的，國家正處於重要的發展階段，我這邊還是要呼籲我們朝野可以以人民為優先，一起通過這個總預算案，照顧全體人民的福祉可以順利地推展，我在這邊想先謝謝院長的努力。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。因為國人的努力跟產業的發展，我們才有能力在這種歲入的狀況底下編這樣的歲出，我們會花在最需要的地方。當然，我希望大院在審查的時候，大院也能夠用各位委員的意見、經驗告訴我們，若適度地調整讓我們在執行上能夠更順暢，我表示非常的感謝。"],["張委員雅琳：接下來，我想跟院長討論一個比較特別的預算，就是兒少預算。在1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約，要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任，所以它就應該像其他的年齡族群，為了保障它能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求，其實我們在第八條裡面有規定，「各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利規定所需之經費，應依財政狀況優先編列逐步實施」。","兒少相關的預算其實涵蓋了像是政策、措施、機關計畫之公務基金及特別預算，但是我看了這3年來我們各級政府的預算，包含了中央政府跟地方政府，我們的預算、總預算從2021年的5,062億元，逐年提高到2023年的5,417億元，總共增加了355億元。","不過再來看看跟OECD的國家相比，OECD的總支出其實各國在體制上面都略有差異，以近年數據來說，OECD國家各國的占比是到6%，院長您知道我們臺灣兒少占比是占GDP的多少嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果照這樣的數字算起來，應該是2%左右。"],["張委員雅琳：院長數學非常好，沒錯，我們可以看到在GDP的占比中大概只有2%。院長，我想再請教您，您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比，為什麼我們的比例人家是6%，而我們卻是2%？這個差異之大的原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的，臺灣要成為一個更文明的國家，我們對扶老攜幼的政策還要更落實、澈底。不過，我們以每個兒少本人（一個人）能夠分配的預算金額來講是有約略增加的，以後我們會持續地努力。"],["張委員雅琳：我想這個部分不知道可不可以要求院長責成衛福部好好地做個研議，到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差的？這樣我們未來在編列相關預算的時候，才能夠確實地符合OECD國家的一個水平。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，我們現在在相關的福利、保護、教育跟發展，這些方面都有所增加。"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：那是不是要增加其他更重要的項目，或者在四個項目當中，以後考量我們的財政能力，做適度的增加，我會請衛福部把它列為一個很重要的考量依據及方向，也跟委員請教更多的專業意見。"],["張委員雅琳：好，這個其實我們都有做一些相關的研究，衛福部過去都有做，我希望我們跟OECD國家相比的差異點還是要持續的做下去。","再來，在統計資料，剛剛院長其實也有提到，就是我們的預算好像在各個面向上面逐年有在增加，但是我們來看一下，這是臺灣大學中國信託慈善基金會在112年做的一些相關研究，他們其實有發現我們在六項權益低於OECD，第一個就是低總生育率，還有低出生體重率、高青少年自殺死亡率，以及低政府家庭福利支出占比、低各級教育支出占比，還有未臻完善的親職假制度，我想這都提供了一個方向，讓我們在未來可以持續的去努力，來編列相關的預算。","同時我們也有看見，雖然我們112年的總預算跟前一年相比提升了20%，但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%，我們的兒少人口是15%，我們的兒少預算也只有8%，這代表我們雖然在一些相關的領域有編列相關的預算，但如果我們仔細的看下去，以2023年跟2017年相比，我們0到6歲幼兒的預算成長了6倍，可是我們少年的預算卻減少了3,000，這就是剛剛說的，院長有提到我們有增加，但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜，我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利，我也認為這很重要，但我認為青少年的福利也應該要持續增加，因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢，他們在城市裡的空間、在發言的機會其實相對來說都是缺乏的。在2022年兒少權利公約的國際審查，他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵，就是他們關注到我們臺灣青少年的高自殺率，他們有提到家庭的部分，可能我們家庭的壓力很大、我們的休憩時間與空間都不足，所以我想請教院長，我們在少年的這一塊預算還有沒有一些可以努力的地方？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的提醒。我回想起來，我們的政策從0到2歲的專班、0到6歲的國家一起養，以及到高職的免學費、到私立大學的補助等等都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的政策，倒是在義務教育這個部分，除了現在的義務教育之外，我們好像比較少去做這個地方的著墨，我認為這個地方會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況，以後我想我們會有比較周延的考量，把它補足起來。"],["張委員雅琳：好，院長，我想要給個建議，因為休憩的空間還是滿重要的，所以我只是希望院長是不是可以邀請大家一起來思考，像是新興的運動空間、圖書館的少年友善規劃，或者是公共事務參與的培力等等，或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等，是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及文化部，在這個領域上面，大家一起來努力？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝委員提醒，教育部或是衛福部有重要的意見或政策，我們以後都跟委員報告，我們一起來討論。"],["張委員雅琳：對，因為這是每個人頭分到的千元數，12到18歲這一塊的確是持續在下降的。","再來，其實我感覺院長真的對我們兒少的相關政策也非常熟悉，我們在兒少權利公約的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目，就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康、教育、保護等等，我想請院長再來猜猜看，我們在哪一個項目的預算占比歷年來的平均是最高的？"],["卓院長榮泰：最高的？"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：教育。"],["張委員雅琳：教育，答對了！對，是教育，其次就是福利、健康、發展等等。這三年來我看到行政院配合少子化對策有前瞻計畫建設之因應少子化建設、強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力，我們的福利類其實增加了282億，教育類增加了34億，健康增加了25億，保護類增加了7億，發展類雖然也有增加，但是只有增加6億元。","如同我剛剛講的，在整個類別裡面，我們在發展的這個領域是相對的弱勢、相對的少，而發展的類別其實就是促進我們兒少的參與權、表意權、休憩權、遊戲權以及相關的文化權及職涯發展。衛福部自己列舉的項目其實是包含兒童權利相關訓練宣導、兒童及少年福利服務、文化與休閒育樂活動、遊樂設施、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級與管理等等，看起來有好多的項目，但是我們實際上去看預算的時候，我們發現主要編列在這三項，分別是文化部一項、原住民族委員會兩項，其他是在地方的共融遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的興建或改善、青少年的就業輔導與職業訓練，還有一些文化活動。所以我自己在看這件事情的時候，我會覺得我們對於發展的預算項目類別似乎想像有限，想像非常的限縮。","但我也想要跟部長還有院長來談一件事情，最近這幾年，回到剛剛講的青少年高自殺率的這個問題，或是我們講的兒童的近視率、過胖率，還有憂鬱症等等這些身心的問題，其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早期去投入更多的資源，來幫助他們好好的發展？這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效，我想大家都知道一句話，預防勝於治療，所以我只是在想，我們是不是可以在這個領域上面，如何去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表意、遊戲、休憩等等的權利，如果以我們現在的預算項目，是不是還有改善的空間呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的，剛剛委員有提出6項比較重要的項目，我現在回憶起來，當中我們可能只對第二項低出生體重的議題討論的比較少，其他五項，我們從人口政策、從教育各方面都有約略討論，以後我們會把它做更有系統的規劃。另外，在年齡層以及發展策略項目一些不夠均衡的部分，我們也一併把它作為重要的檢討。"],["張委員雅琳：因為發展的預算跟其他相比真的是非常非常少，但是發展其實可以幫助一個孩子長得更好、更健康，可以為國家所用的人才也都是在發展這個領域，所以我還是希望未來我們可以有更多的想像，在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們兒少的遊戲權。我有發現我們公園修繕10億元的經費已經編列，也執行完畢了，從明年開始之後，我們公園就會面臨無費用可用的狀態，所以希望院長可以來研議，是不是請內政部攜手地方政府一起來努力呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，我會請內政部注意這個狀況。"],["張委員雅琳：謝謝院長。院長，我想問一個問題，現在我們看的數據都是用113年與112年相比，或是都是看過去的數據，院長，你會不會覺得很奇怪，為什麼我都是拿113年來比，為什麼不是拿114年來比呢？你知道原因是什麼嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為114年的預算，你我共同還在努力中。"],["張委員雅琳：我們知道我們共同還在努力中，還有一個很重要關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填制，並不是在預算編列的時候就會去彙編，所以我們現在很難看到一個兒少的整體預算，以114年來說，我是看不到的，所以我們其實非常難即時去掌握兒少預算的編列情況，也很難事先去知道有沒有要調整的地方。所以我是否可以請院長責成相關的政委，針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用，統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平臺，集中散落在各部會的相關數據，這樣我們才能夠確實去追蹤各項相關的進度，這部分是不是可以請院長幫我們責成政委或者是衛福部呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行，我們會請政委一併協同，協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周延的規劃跟制度出來。"],["張委員雅琳：對，我希望我們可以在預算彙編的時候就有一些彙整，讓我們更清楚地知道到底哪裡還有不足，在未來，我們還可以在當年的時候知道該怎麼去調整，而不是等到事後整個年度都結束了，我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情，我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們相關的一些政策要執行的話，都會有更好的掌握。"],["邱部長泰源：我想兒童是未來的主人翁，我們在不管是健康的照顧或是福利的照顧都有具前瞻性，不是只有data出來，那都是後面。其實我們在編健保也都是這樣，都會預期可能會面臨到哪些醫療、防疫各方面的議題，在青少年方面，我們絕對是從預防還有他發展的過程當中，每一個階段應該做哪些任務、做哪些照顧，都會前瞻性的來編列，如果有做得……"],["張委員雅琳：但是我們現在是看不到……"],["邱部長泰源：做得還不夠的話，我們會把這個部分再來加強。"],["張委員雅琳：但是我現在的要求是希望可以彙編起來，因為彙編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡，如果我們都是等整年結束了之後，那一年其實已經來不及了，所以我希望的是我們可以提前先彙編起來，這部分再請院長責成政委跟衛福部一起來努力。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝。"],["張委員雅琳：謝謝。整個編列的過程之中，我希望大家都可以一起來為我們的不管是兒童也好，青少年也好，來著想，每一個孩子對我們來說都很重要，每一個孩子我們都希望他可以好好長大，希望大家都可以成為兒少最佳的守護者，謝謝大家。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝張委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請張嘉郡委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":124,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","陳昭姿","李坤城","林思銘","林國成","陳冠廷","洪孟楷","張雅琳","張嘉郡","陳培瑜","林德福","王正旭","鄭天財Sra Kacaw"],"page_start":22,"meetingDate":["2024-11-01"],"gazette_id":"1138801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138801_00002","1138801_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年\n度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─\n進行質詢 ─","agenda_id":"1138801_00003"}}}