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00:01:07,262\n跟委員報告目前應該已經超過620萬已經超過620萬人那到年底的話應該是620萬應該是很慚愧的說明所以我們現在就只有這個人數而已報告委員去年也差不多是600多萬那今年的數字已經比去年好但還是不夠還是不夠但是你不能跟去年比你要跟世界各國來比世界各國的國際旅客都已經恢復快到疫情之前的水準\n\n4\n00:01:07,702 --> 00:01:28,985\n我們沒有做好啊我們到現在只有六七成那當然你們不能把相關的理由說這是過去因為地震因為颱風或是相關主要觀光國日本的問題或是人力的問題這都不是理由啊是部長因為在之前部長的更換\n\n5\n00:01:30,271 --> 00:01:54,078\n那之前的李部長也離職你來緊急的擔任這樣的一個工作你必須在觀光旅客的這個部分提出具體的一個政策出來那我認為應該要給你半年的時間我們就看成績要給你嚴格的督促相關的觀光署的業務相關的政策\n\n6\n00:01:55,171 --> 00:02:20,843\n你現在有沒有一個基本的看法來簡單說明一下報告委員我們在行銷的部分當然大家很努力但是我認為重點是在於亮點台灣有哪些亮點可以讓世界看得到那過去大家習慣講日月潭講阿里山講太魯閣我覺得這樣亮點太少而且受到天災的改變我認為這個對國際影客是有損害的所以我希望亮點要增加我們要建立真正讓國際看得到的其他的亮點\n\n7\n00:02:21,503 --> 00:02:49,326\n那這個部分我們跟觀光署跟各縣市也正在盤聚焦聚焦幾個亮點大家來讓全世界看到這第一個第二個是行銷面向我覺得要更靈活啦以我的觀察我認為做大片很重要讓國際看得到很厲害的大片很重要但現在社會上或者是國際上比較流行的是用社群媒體社群媒體的行銷甚至是一些網紅的行銷年輕人的行銷方式因為就我本人\n\n8\n00:02:50,206 --> 00:03:15,360\n出國旅遊的經驗來講我都是看所謂的網路行銷的部分的介紹這個部分我覺得觀光署可以來加強行銷重要那相關的觀光資源的投注也是一個重要的方向那也必須在總預算的部分我們希望能夠能夠詳細的審查部長也必須提出詳細的一個說明另外也必須要跟行政院長\n\n9\n00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:33,990\n爭取更多的觀光資源來投注這才是一個重要的一個方向那我們是給你半年的時間我們要看你提出相關的這樣的一個政策來部長我請教一下你對明年的國際觀光的人數你心裡有沒有一個底\n\n10\n00:03:35,704 --> 00:03:52,445\n我覺得今年如果達到多少人數大概750萬到800萬我們一定是往上加嘛那我不希望過去提的數字有時候跟事實有些偏離啦我希望比較務實一點不過我覺得明年的目標應該可以達到今年沒達到的那一個目標\n\n11\n00:03:57,611 --> 00:04:19,566\n要有志氣一點部長要提出你的具體因為推動觀光旅遊就是要像你這樣一個年輕有魄力的部長來推動要更有信心你自己都講這麼沒有信心觀光旅遊業者會有信心民眾會有信心嗎今年沒有達到的一千萬我們明年最少要達到一千萬\n\n12\n00:04:23,012 --> 00:04:39,801\n提出更具體的一個數字跟相關的政策出來另外對於新旅航空JS871的這樣的一個重降落的事件那其實就讓我回想到2014年復興航空澎湖的空難\n\n13\n00:04:41,002 --> 00:05:06,986\n那當時啊也是颱風期間也因為啊市縣及相關的這個問題啊雖然在合乎相關的降落的規範但是因為啊這個當時啊澎湖機場沒有這種盲降的系統這是在事後我要求之後才做的可以對準跑道可以對準相關的角度以及距離的這個盲降系統是之後才設立的\n\n14\n00:05:07,566 --> 00:05:36,932\n那當然在這次的桃園機場重降落這個事件雖然桃園機場是沒有盲降系統它是有更好的移降系統那這樣的一個狀況那當初澎湖復興礦帶造成嚴重的傷亡也是因為它角度太低要重新起飛的時候重飛的時候角度太低已經爬不起來所以就嚴重的撞擊那\n\n15\n00:05:38,227 --> 00:05:59,111\n我們現在來進行相關的就是說我們班機的派遣標準航空公司的派遣標準就是我們美航局所說的簽派在那個簽派在颱風期間當然是要依據最新的這樣一個氣象報告飛航限度來進行相關的風險評估來做相關的派遣來那個局長簡單說明一下我們這樣那個標準\n\n16\n00:06:02,985 --> 00:06:18,272\n報告委員這個部分確實我們其實事前有要求航空公司要保守簽牌那從事後的一個轉將跟重飛來講確實這個保守的部分我們已經要求他檢討那三個檢討的重點就是一個就是不良天后的派遣\n\n17\n00:06:18,732 --> 00:06:35,032\n那這個就包含這個風向還有這個風速這個速限然後再加上剛剛講的能見度不過能見度在這一次反正這一次會檢討這三個那第二個還有包含所謂的重落地就剛剛講的新宇這個部長這個對於不良氣候相關的這樣一個\n\n18\n00:06:38,416 --> 00:06:42,278\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n19\n00:06:59,906 --> 00:07:24,175\n航空公司要不要派遣飛機有一定的規範它最重要的基礎是在於機場有沒有開放或者是關閉那機場如果是在合格的範圍之內它也會提供相關降落的服務因為有一些緊急降落必須要來做處理另外就是航空業者又不一樣的心態他也是希望在\n\n20\n00:07:24,935 --> 00:07:32,284\n相關的範圍之內盡量的不要取消班機或者是延後班機這會造成他們的一個虧損那相關的這樣的一個機場開放的關閉的標準來簡單說明一下在颱風期間\n\n21\n00:07:39,484 --> 00:08:05,716\n我想跟委員報告其實所謂的機場的一個應該是說機場的塔台它有一個測台的標準譬如說那個塔台的風向達到多少的時候我們塔台會測台那可是在這個標準之內其實塔台都會提供服務那最重要的還是回到航空公司的派遣這個派遣的部分譬如說在前兩次的颱風他們就有做到所謂的保守派遣那這一次我們從事後來看確實沒有所以我們才要逐步來檢討他們\n\n22\n00:08:06,836 --> 00:08:22,145\n所以會包含剛剛委員所講的風速風險還有包含這個這個這個超時主演可能也會有超時的情形那每一架次我們會去檢視他那檢視完以後會做一個可能會律定一個一個規範原則派錢的原則再給業者\n\n23\n00:08:25,107 --> 00:08:46,648\n這個部分我們會再來做檢討那目前的調查狀況我們看到這個是不是重落地它當然是一個嚴重的重落地因為機子已經是2.25已經超過這個機型的紅區那確定是重落地那目前飛機的狀況好像是還沒有放飛因為它程序的標準就是\n\n24\n00:08:48,450 --> 00:09:01,460\n必須針對飛機的狀況拍照傳到Airbus這種空中巴士的總公司讓他們來判斷是不是有相關的問題來做處理現在這個程序進行到怎樣\n\n25\n00:09:02,353 --> 00:09:20,867\n目前正在進行中這個部分我們會跟原廠還有包含我們調查完才會放飛這個部分會向委員講就是這個部分要經過原廠那駕駛的部分還是在停飛當中因為我們要調查它的操作的部分有沒有違反規定那如果一旦這個部分確實都違反規定的話那我們會以民航法來裁罰\n\n26\n00:09:22,088 --> 00:09:37,343\n這個必須要明確的處理那相關的我們看到這個航空公司的這個派遣的標準也必須要來做重新的一個檢視那我們民航局應該對航空業者在\n\n27\n00:09:38,424 --> 00:09:54,753\n臺風期間相關的派遣決策就是我們所說的簽派簽派的這樣的一個過程要提供明確的規範那星雲航空在6月有發生這樣重落地的事件應該更嚴格的來檢視相關的派遣流程來說明一下\n\n28\n00:09:56,301 --> 00:10:23,164\n新宇其實今年確實有發生幾次的重落地那每一次其實我們已經要求他相關組員的訓練等等這個部分我們已經都在要求那這一次在發生其實我們也會再要求尤其他的組員的訓練的部分看起來組員的訓練部分是要再加強因為如果在這個冊封標準或者是他的降落有問題的時候其實不應該有呈現像網路上這個這個他降落的情形\n\n29\n00:10:23,524 --> 00:10:32,238\n所以這部分我明記局長、部長6月已經是中落地10月31又再一次的嚴重的中落地不可以再發生了\n\n30\n00:10:33,188 --> 00:10:58,687\n他這個保守派遣要落實啦顯然新宇航空沒有落實保守派遣好相關的跑道管理跟風險的應對也都必須要去做處理我們看到跑道的積水當然它摩擦力不足就會造成這樣的一個重落地或是滑行的一個風險要強化這些道面的管理跟監督確保航機的安全另外最後的時間那我請教一下\n\n31\n00:10:59,875 --> 00:11:15,533\n民航局對於高雄的航線的恢復那當然現在目前大概是疫情之前是37條那疫情之後恢復到27條那11月要再加上一條馬來西亞亞幣機場的航線那我在這邊要爭取\n\n32\n00:11:19,798 --> 00:11:35,063\n高雄到神戶的航線因為關西、大阪跟神戶是三大機場關西地區的三大機場今年一到九月高雄往大阪機場的航線平均載客力都超過八成\n\n33\n00:11:36,467 --> 00:12:04,071\n神戶機場也是日本關係地方的三大機場之一那另外對於高雄跟雄本的這個航線那高雄雄本的航線高雄跟雄本本來就是姊妹市過去每週三班是一個熱門的航線那往雄本的航線今年1至9月我們台灣到雄本的這個載客率也超過八成希望高雄到雄本的航線也趕快能夠恢復來部長您說明一下\n\n34\n00:12:04,872 --> 00:12:21,535\n好我們到熊本的航線目前我們正在規劃當中也在跟日本那邊去溝通他們地勤的量能的問題如果這個問題神戶呢神戶的部分目前還沒有還在爭取當中但目前還沒有比較具體的進度不過熊本的部分可能會比較具體科技\n\n35\n00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:36,422\n熊本會比較快恢復航線比較快那爭取新的神戶的部分局長跟部長要努力了最後一個就是高雄郵輪來李協議董事長我們的高雄郵輪的母港狀況真的是\n\n36\n00:12:37,742 --> 00:13:01,988\n越來越嚴重業績越來越不好你看2023、2024、2025這個比較你看一下就知道然後我們看到這個旅客服務費在過去我們要求對旅客服務費要打折來吸引這種國際優等那旅客服務費5折的這個港口目前有基隆、高雄還有澎湖那旅客服務費它\n\n37\n00:13:02,828 --> 00:13:14,424\n五折它有一個啟動的條件就是說統一的國際輿輪累積達標後下一航次期旅客服務費五折\n\n38\n00:13:15,884 --> 00:13:34,551\n這個部分這是過去我要求的必須要有這樣的一個優惠那我們看到5則的啟動標準吉隆港、高雄港要10艘次我們跟高雄港是同一個標準澎湖港是5艘次但是我們看到這個2024年郵輪的這個扶惠優惠的啟動的狀況\n\n39\n00:13:39,226 --> 00:14:07,666\n高雄港是兩家而已10艘次佔了24%那基隆港有5家基隆港的發展不錯那有218艘次佔比63%那我具體要求調整高雄港服務費的減免機制兩階段的優惠第一階段第一艘期旅客的服務費就全面打7折第二階段母港3艘次期就免旅客的服務費那\n\n40\n00:14:08,487 --> 00:14:15,851\n有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司\n\n41\n00:14:33,779 --> 00:14:57,994\n賣碳卸掉有什麼停泊費、服務費高雄的演唱會經濟做得好是因為我們的私營主場館是以低廉的這樣的一個場地費用讓國內外的巨星到高雄來辦演唱會我們賺大錢的旅客觀光消費餐廳爭取旅客進來比較重要請這個董事長我們再跟你來討論相關的這樣的一個標準沒有問題謝謝委員\n\n42\n00:15:02,793 --> 00:15:04,251\n好謝謝李委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3352\t16484\t謝謝 召委 請一下陳世凱部長陳部長民進黨局何書平局長、觀光署周署長周局長、周署長機場公司楊董事長、港務公司李董事長李董\n21806\t40761\t部長您好委員好臺灣的社會大眾對於臺灣的國際旅遊的推動其實是很失望的我們在當初預計向我們的社會大眾說明我們今年要有1000萬人次的國際觀光旅客那現在成績如何簡單說明一下\n41281\t67262\t跟委員報告目前應該已經超過620萬已經超過620萬人那到年底的話應該是620萬應該是很慚愧的說明所以我們現在就只有這個人數而已報告委員去年也差不多是600多萬那今年的數字已經比去年好但還是不夠還是不夠但是你不能跟去年比你要跟世界各國來比世界各國的國際旅客都已經恢復快到疫情之前的水準\n67702\t88985\t我們沒有做好啊我們到現在只有六七成那當然你們不能把相關的理由說這是過去因為地震因為颱風或是相關主要觀光國日本的問題或是人力的問題這都不是理由啊是部長因為在之前部長的更換\n90271\t114078\t那之前的李部長也離職你來緊急的擔任這樣的一個工作你必須在觀光旅客的這個部分提出具體的一個政策出來那我認為應該要給你半年的時間我們就看成績要給你嚴格的督促相關的觀光署的業務相關的政策\n115171\t140843\t你現在有沒有一個基本的看法來簡單說明一下報告委員我們在行銷的部分當然大家很努力但是我認為重點是在於亮點台灣有哪些亮點可以讓世界看得到那過去大家習慣講日月潭講阿里山講太魯閣我覺得這樣亮點太少而且受到天災的改變我認為這個對國際影客是有損害的所以我希望亮點要增加我們要建立真正讓國際看得到的其他的亮點\n141503\t169326\t那這個部分我們跟觀光署跟各縣市也正在盤聚焦聚焦幾個亮點大家來讓全世界看到這第一個第二個是行銷面向我覺得要更靈活啦以我的觀察我認為做大片很重要讓國際看得到很厲害的大片很重要但現在社會上或者是國際上比較流行的是用社群媒體社群媒體的行銷甚至是一些網紅的行銷年輕人的行銷方式因為就我本人\n170206\t195360\t出國旅遊的經驗來講我都是看所謂的網路行銷的部分的介紹這個部分我覺得觀光署可以來加強行銷重要那相關的觀光資源的投注也是一個重要的方向那也必須在總預算的部分我們希望能夠能夠詳細的審查部長也必須提出詳細的一個說明另外也必須要跟行政院長\n196560\t213990\t爭取更多的觀光資源來投注這才是一個重要的一個方向那我們是給你半年的時間我們要看你提出相關的這樣的一個政策來部長我請教一下你對明年的國際觀光的人數你心裡有沒有一個底\n215704\t232445\t我覺得今年如果達到多少人數大概750萬到800萬我們一定是往上加嘛那我不希望過去提的數字有時候跟事實有些偏離啦我希望比較務實一點不過我覺得明年的目標應該可以達到今年沒達到的那一個目標\n237611\t259566\t要有志氣一點部長要提出你的具體因為推動觀光旅遊就是要像你這樣一個年輕有魄力的部長來推動要更有信心你自己都講這麼沒有信心觀光旅遊業者會有信心民眾會有信心嗎今年沒有達到的一千萬我們明年最少要達到一千萬\n263012\t279801\t提出更具體的一個數字跟相關的政策出來另外對於新旅航空JS871的這樣的一個重降落的事件那其實就讓我回想到2014年復興航空澎湖的空難\n281002\t306986\t那當時啊也是颱風期間也因為啊市縣及相關的這個問題啊雖然在合乎相關的降落的規範但是因為啊這個當時啊澎湖機場沒有這種盲降的系統這是在事後我要求之後才做的可以對準跑道可以對準相關的角度以及距離的這個盲降系統是之後才設立的\n307566\t336932\t那當然在這次的桃園機場重降落這個事件雖然桃園機場是沒有盲降系統它是有更好的移降系統那這樣的一個狀況那當初澎湖復興礦帶造成嚴重的傷亡也是因為它角度太低要重新起飛的時候重飛的時候角度太低已經爬不起來所以就嚴重的撞擊那\n338227\t359111\t我們現在來進行相關的就是說我們班機的派遣標準航空公司的派遣標準就是我們美航局所說的簽派在那個簽派在颱風期間當然是要依據最新的這樣一個氣象報告飛航限度來進行相關的風險評估來做相關的派遣來那個局長簡單說明一下我們這樣那個標準\n362985\t378272\t報告委員這個部分確實我們其實事前有要求航空公司要保守簽牌那從事後的一個轉將跟重飛來講確實這個保守的部分我們已經要求他檢討那三個檢討的重點就是一個就是不良天后的派遣\n378732\t395032\t那這個就包含這個風向還有這個風速這個速限然後再加上剛剛講的能見度不過能見度在這一次反正這一次會檢討這三個那第二個還有包含所謂的重落地就剛剛講的新宇這個部長這個對於不良氣候相關的這樣一個\n398416\t402278\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n419906\t444175\t航空公司要不要派遣飛機有一定的規範它最重要的基礎是在於機場有沒有開放或者是關閉那機場如果是在合格的範圍之內它也會提供相關降落的服務因為有一些緊急降落必須要來做處理另外就是航空業者又不一樣的心態他也是希望在\n444935\t452284\t相關的範圍之內盡量的不要取消班機或者是延後班機這會造成他們的一個虧損那相關的這樣的一個機場開放的關閉的標準來簡單說明一下在颱風期間\n459484\t485716\t我想跟委員報告其實所謂的機場的一個應該是說機場的塔台它有一個測台的標準譬如說那個塔台的風向達到多少的時候我們塔台會測台那可是在這個標準之內其實塔台都會提供服務那最重要的還是回到航空公司的派遣這個派遣的部分譬如說在前兩次的颱風他們就有做到所謂的保守派遣那這一次我們從事後來看確實沒有所以我們才要逐步來檢討他們\n486836\t502145\t所以會包含剛剛委員所講的風速風險還有包含這個這個這個超時主演可能也會有超時的情形那每一架次我們會去檢視他那檢視完以後會做一個可能會律定一個一個規範原則派錢的原則再給業者\n505107\t526648\t這個部分我們會再來做檢討那目前的調查狀況我們看到這個是不是重落地它當然是一個嚴重的重落地因為機子已經是2.25已經超過這個機型的紅區那確定是重落地那目前飛機的狀況好像是還沒有放飛因為它程序的標準就是\n528450\t541460\t必須針對飛機的狀況拍照傳到Airbus這種空中巴士的總公司讓他們來判斷是不是有相關的問題來做處理現在這個程序進行到怎樣\n542353\t560867\t目前正在進行中這個部分我們會跟原廠還有包含我們調查完才會放飛這個部分會向委員講就是這個部分要經過原廠那駕駛的部分還是在停飛當中因為我們要調查它的操作的部分有沒有違反規定那如果一旦這個部分確實都違反規定的話那我們會以民航法來裁罰\n562088\t577343\t這個必須要明確的處理那相關的我們看到這個航空公司的這個派遣的標準也必須要來做重新的一個檢視那我們民航局應該對航空業者在\n578424\t594753\t臺風期間相關的派遣決策就是我們所說的簽派簽派的這樣的一個過程要提供明確的規範那星雲航空在6月有發生這樣重落地的事件應該更嚴格的來檢視相關的派遣流程來說明一下\n596301\t623164\t新宇其實今年確實有發生幾次的重落地那每一次其實我們已經要求他相關組員的訓練等等這個部分我們已經都在要求那這一次在發生其實我們也會再要求尤其他的組員的訓練的部分看起來組員的訓練部分是要再加強因為如果在這個冊封標準或者是他的降落有問題的時候其實不應該有呈現像網路上這個這個他降落的情形\n623524\t632238\t所以這部分我明記 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相關的跑道管理跟風險的應對也都必須要去做處理我們看到跑道的積水當然它摩擦力不足就會造成這樣的一個重落地或是滑行的一個風險要強化這些道面的管理跟監督確保航機的安全另外最後的時間那我請教一下\n659875\t675533\t民航局對於高雄的航線的恢復那當然現在目前大概是疫情之前是37條那疫情之後恢復到27條那11月要再加上一條馬來西亞亞幣機場的航線那我在這邊要爭取\n679798\t695063\t高雄到神戶的航線因為關西、大阪跟神戶是三大機場關西地區的三大機場今年一到九月高雄往大阪機場的航線平均載客力都超過八成\n696467\t724071\t神戶機場也是日本關係地方的三大機場之一那另外對於高雄跟雄本的這個航線那高雄雄本的航線高雄跟雄本本來就是姊妹市過去每週三班是一個熱門的航線那往雄本的航線今年1至9月我們台灣到雄本的這個載客率也超過八成希望高雄到雄本的航線也趕快能夠恢復來部長您說明一下\n724872\t741535\t好我們到熊本的航線目前我們正在規劃當中也在跟日本那邊去溝通他們地勤的量能的問題如果這個問題神戶呢神戶的部分目前還沒有還在爭取當中但目前還沒有比較具體的進度不過熊本的部分可能會比較具體科技\n741775\t756422\t熊本會比較快恢復航線比較快那爭取新的神戶的部分局長跟部長要努力了最後一個就是高雄郵輪來李協議董事長我們的高雄郵輪的母港狀況真的是\n757742\t781988\t越來越嚴重業績越來越不好你看2023、2024、2025這個比較你看一下就知道然後我們看到這個旅客服務費在過去我們要求對旅客服務費要打折來吸引這種國際優等那旅客服務費5折的這個港口目前有基隆、高雄還有澎湖那旅客服務費它\n782828\t794424\t五折它有一個啟動的條件就是說統一的國際輿輪累積達標後下一航次期旅客服務費五折\n795884\t814551\t這個部分這是過去我要求的必須要有這樣的一個優惠那我們看到5則的啟動標準吉隆港、高雄港要10艘次我們跟高雄港是同一個標準澎湖港是5艘次但是我們看到這個2024年郵輪的這個扶惠優惠的啟動的狀況\n819226\t847666\t高雄港是兩家而已10艘次佔了24%那基隆港有5家基隆港的發展不錯那有218艘次佔比63%那我具體要求調整高雄港服務費的減免機制兩階段的優惠第一階段第一艘期旅客的服務費就全面打7折第二階段母港3艘次期就免旅客的服務費那\n848487\t855851\t有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司\n873779\t897994\t賣碳卸掉有什麼停泊費、服務費高雄的演唱會經濟做得好是因為我們的私營主場館是以低廉的這樣的一個場地費用讓國內外的巨星到高雄來辦演唱會我們賺大錢的旅客觀光消費餐廳爭取旅客進來比較重要請這個董事長我們再跟你來討論相關的這樣的一個標準沒有問題 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請一下陳世凱部長陳部長民進黨局何書平局長、觀光署周署長周局長、周署長機場公司楊董事長、港務公司李董事長李董\n部長您好委員好臺灣的社會大眾對於臺灣的國際旅遊的推動其實是很失望的我們在當初預計向我們的社會大眾說明我們今年要有1000萬人次的國際觀光旅客那現在成績如何簡單說明一下\n跟委員報告目前應該已經超過620萬已經超過620萬人那到年底的話應該是620萬應該是很慚愧的說明所以我們現在就只有這個人數而已報告委員去年也差不多是600多萬那今年的數字已經比去年好但還是不夠還是不夠但是你不能跟去年比你要跟世界各國來比世界各國的國際旅客都已經恢復快到疫情之前的水準\n我們沒有做好啊我們到現在只有六七成那當然你們不能把相關的理由說這是過去因為地震因為颱風或是相關主要觀光國日本的問題或是人力的問題這都不是理由啊是部長因為在之前部長的更換\n那之前的李部長也離職你來緊急的擔任這樣的一個工作你必須在觀光旅客的這個部分提出具體的一個政策出來那我認為應該要給你半年的時間我們就看成績要給你嚴格的督促相關的觀光署的業務相關的政策\n你現在有沒有一個基本的看法來簡單說明一下報告委員我們在行銷的部分當然大家很努力但是我認為重點是在於亮點台灣有哪些亮點可以讓世界看得到那過去大家習慣講日月潭講阿里山講太魯閣我覺得這樣亮點太少而且受到天災的改變我認為這個對國際影客是有損害的所以我希望亮點要增加我們要建立真正讓國際看得到的其他的亮點\n那這個部分我們跟觀光署跟各縣市也正在盤聚焦聚焦幾個亮點大家來讓全世界看到這第一個第二個是行銷面向我覺得要更靈活啦以我的觀察我認為做大片很重要讓國際看得到很厲害的大片很重要但現在社會上或者是國際上比較流行的是用社群媒體社群媒體的行銷甚至是一些網紅的行銷年輕人的行銷方式因為就我本人\n出國旅遊的經驗來講我都是看所謂的網路行銷的部分的介紹這個部分我覺得觀光署可以來加強行銷重要那相關的觀光資源的投注也是一個重要的方向那也必須在總預算的部分我們希望能夠能夠詳細的審查部長也必須提出詳細的一個說明另外也必須要跟行政院長\n爭取更多的觀光資源來投注這才是一個重要的一個方向那我們是給你半年的時間我們要看你提出相關的這樣的一個政策來部長我請教一下你對明年的國際觀光的人數你心裡有沒有一個底\n我覺得今年如果達到多少人數大概750萬到800萬我們一定是往上加嘛那我不希望過去提的數字有時候跟事實有些偏離啦我希望比較務實一點不過我覺得明年的目標應該可以達到今年沒達到的那一個目標\n要有志氣一點部長要提出你的具體因為推動觀光旅遊就是要像你這樣一個年輕有魄力的部長來推動要更有信心你自己都講這麼沒有信心觀光旅遊業者會有信心民眾會有信心嗎今年沒有達到的一千萬我們明年最少要達到一千萬\n提出更具體的一個數字跟相關的政策出來另外對於新旅航空JS871的這樣的一個重降落的事件那其實就讓我回想到2014年復興航空澎湖的空難\n那當時啊也是颱風期間也因為啊市縣及相關的這個問題啊雖然在合乎相關的降落的規範但是因為啊這個當時啊澎湖機場沒有這種盲降的系統這是在事後我要求之後才做的可以對準跑道可以對準相關的角度以及距離的這個盲降系統是之後才設立的\n那當然在這次的桃園機場重降落這個事件雖然桃園機場是沒有盲降系統它是有更好的移降系統那這樣的一個狀況那當初澎湖復興礦帶造成嚴重的傷亡也是因為它角度太低要重新起飛的時候重飛的時候角度太低已經爬不起來所以就嚴重的撞擊那\n我們現在來進行相關的就是說我們班機的派遣標準航空公司的派遣標準就是我們美航局所說的簽派在那個簽派在颱風期間當然是要依據最新的這樣一個氣象報告飛航限度來進行相關的風險評估來做相關的派遣來那個局長簡單說明一下我們這樣那個標準\n報告委員這個部分確實我們其實事前有要求航空公司要保守簽牌那從事後的一個轉將跟重飛來講確實這個保守的部分我們已經要求他檢討那三個檢討的重點就是一個就是不良天后的派遣\n那這個就包含這個風向還有這個風速這個速限然後再加上剛剛講的能見度不過能見度在這一次反正這一次會檢討這三個那第二個還有包含所謂的重落地就剛剛講的新宇這個部長這個對於不良氣候相關的這樣一個\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n航空公司要不要派遣飛機有一定的規範它最重要的基礎是在於機場有沒有開放或者是關閉那機場如果是在合格的範圍之內它也會提供相關降落的服務因為有一些緊急降落必須要來做處理另外就是航空業者又不一樣的心態他也是希望在\n相關的範圍之內盡量的不要取消班機或者是延後班機這會造成他們的一個虧損那相關的這樣的一個機場開放的關閉的標準來簡單說明一下在颱風期間\n我想跟委員報告其實所謂的機場的一個應該是說機場的塔台它有一個測台的標準譬如說那個塔台的風向達到多少的時候我們塔台會測台那可是在這個標準之內其實塔台都會提供服務那最重要的還是回到航空公司的派遣這個派遣的部分譬如說在前兩次的颱風他們就有做到所謂的保守派遣那這一次我們從事後來看確實沒有所以我們才要逐步來檢討他們\n所以會包含剛剛委員所講的風速風險還有包含這個這個這個超時主演可能也會有超時的情形那每一架次我們會去檢視他那檢視完以後會做一個可能會律定一個一個規範原則派錢的原則再給業者\n這個部分我們會再來做檢討那目前的調查狀況我們看到這個是不是重落地它當然是一個嚴重的重落地因為機子已經是2.25已經超過這個機型的紅區那確定是重落地那目前飛機的狀況好像是還沒有放飛因為它程序的標準就是\n必須針對飛機的狀況拍照傳到Airbus這種空中巴士的總公司讓他們來判斷是不是有相關的問題來做處理現在這個程序進行到怎樣\n目前正在進行中這個部分我們會跟原廠還有包含我們調查完才會放飛這個部分會向委員講就是這個部分要經過原廠那駕駛的部分還是在停飛當中因為我們要調查它的操作的部分有沒有違反規定那如果一旦這個部分確實都違反規定的話那我們會以民航法來裁罰\n這個必須要明確的處理那相關的我們看到這個航空公司的這個派遣的標準也必須要來做重新的一個檢視那我們民航局應該對航空業者在\n臺風期間相關的派遣決策就是我們所說的簽派簽派的這樣的一個過程要提供明確的規範那星雲航空在6月有發生這樣重落地的事件應該更嚴格的來檢視相關的派遣流程來說明一下\n新宇其實今年確實有發生幾次的重落地那每一次其實我們已經要求他相關組員的訓練等等這個部分我們已經都在要求那這一次在發生其實我們也會再要求尤其他的組員的訓練的部分看起來組員的訓練部分是要再加強因為如果在這個冊封標準或者是他的降落有問題的時候其實不應該有呈現像網路上這個這個他降落的情形\n所以這部分我明記 局長、部長6月已經是中落地10月31又再一次的嚴重的中落地不可以再發生了\n他這個保守派遣要落實啦顯然新宇航空沒有落實保守派遣好 相關的跑道管理跟風險的應對也都必須要去做處理我們看到跑道的積水當然它摩擦力不足就會造成這樣的一個重落地或是滑行的一個風險要強化這些道面的管理跟監督確保航機的安全另外最後的時間那我請教一下\n民航局對於高雄的航線的恢復那當然現在目前大概是疫情之前是37條那疫情之後恢復到27條那11月要再加上一條馬來西亞亞幣機場的航線那我在這邊要爭取\n高雄到神戶的航線因為關西、大阪跟神戶是三大機場關西地區的三大機場今年一到九月高雄往大阪機場的航線平均載客力都超過八成\n神戶機場也是日本關係地方的三大機場之一那另外對於高雄跟雄本的這個航線那高雄雄本的航線高雄跟雄本本來就是姊妹市過去每週三班是一個熱門的航線那往雄本的航線今年1至9月我們台灣到雄本的這個載客率也超過八成希望高雄到雄本的航線也趕快能夠恢復來部長您說明一下\n好我們到熊本的航線目前我們正在規劃當中也在跟日本那邊去溝通他們地勤的量能的問題如果這個問題神戶呢神戶的部分目前還沒有還在爭取當中但目前還沒有比較具體的進度不過熊本的部分可能會比較具體科技\n熊本會比較快恢復航線比較快那爭取新的神戶的部分局長跟部長要努力了最後一個就是高雄郵輪來李協議董事長我們的高雄郵輪的母港狀況真的是\n越來越嚴重業績越來越不好你看2023、2024、2025這個比較你看一下就知道然後我們看到這個旅客服務費在過去我們要求對旅客服務費要打折來吸引這種國際優等那旅客服務費5折的這個港口目前有基隆、高雄還有澎湖那旅客服務費它\n五折它有一個啟動的條件就是說統一的國際輿輪累積達標後下一航次期旅客服務費五折\n這個部分這是過去我要求的必須要有這樣的一個優惠那我們看到5則的啟動標準吉隆港、高雄港要10艘次我們跟高雄港是同一個標準澎湖港是5艘次但是我們看到這個2024年郵輪的這個扶惠優惠的啟動的狀況\n高雄港是兩家而已10艘次佔了24%那基隆港有5家基隆港的發展不錯那有218艘次佔比63%那我具體要求調整高雄港服務費的減免機制兩階段的優惠第一階段第一艘期旅客的服務費就全面打7折第二階段母港3艘次期就免旅客的服務費那\n有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司\n賣碳卸掉有什麼停泊費、服務費高雄的演唱會經濟做得好是因為我們的私營主場館是以低廉的這樣的一個場地費用讓國內外的巨星到高雄來辦演唱會我們賺大錢的旅客觀光消費餐廳爭取旅客進來比較重要請這個董事長我們再跟你來討論相關的這樣的一個標準沒有問題 謝謝委員\n好 謝謝李委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.352 --> 00:16.484\n謝謝召委請一下陳世凱部長陳部長民進黨局何書平局長、觀光署周署長周局長、周署長機場公司楊董事長、港務公司李董事長李董\n\n00:21.806 --> 00:40.761\n部長您好委員好臺灣的社會大眾對於臺灣的國際旅遊的推動其實是很失望的我們在當初預計向我們的社會大眾說明我們今年要有1000萬人次的國際觀光旅客那現在成績如何簡單說明一下\n\n00:41.281 --> 01:07.262\n跟委員報告目前應該已經超過620萬已經超過620萬人那到年底的話應該是620萬應該是很慚愧的說明所以我們現在就只有這個人數而已報告委員去年也差不多是600多萬那今年的數字已經比去年好但還是不夠還是不夠但是你不能跟去年比你要跟世界各國來比世界各國的國際旅客都已經恢復快到疫情之前的水準\n\n01:07.702 --> 01:28.985\n我們沒有做好啊我們到現在只有六七成那當然你們不能把相關的理由說這是過去因為地震因為颱風或是相關主要觀光國日本的問題或是人力的問題這都不是理由啊是部長因為在之前部長的更換\n\n01:30.271 --> 01:54.078\n那之前的李部長也離職你來緊急的擔任這樣的一個工作你必須在觀光旅客的這個部分提出具體的一個政策出來那我認為應該要給你半年的時間我們就看成績要給你嚴格的督促相關的觀光署的業務相關的政策\n\n01:55.171 --> 02:20.843\n你現在有沒有一個基本的看法來簡單說明一下報告委員我們在行銷的部分當然大家很努力但是我認為重點是在於亮點台灣有哪些亮點可以讓世界看得到那過去大家習慣講日月潭講阿里山講太魯閣我覺得這樣亮點太少而且受到天災的改變我認為這個對國際影客是有損害的所以我希望亮點要增加我們要建立真正讓國際看得到的其他的亮點\n\n02:21.503 --> 02:49.326\n那這個部分我們跟觀光署跟各縣市也正在盤聚焦聚焦幾個亮點大家來讓全世界看到這第一個第二個是行銷面向我覺得要更靈活啦以我的觀察我認為做大片很重要讓國際看得到很厲害的大片很重要但現在社會上或者是國際上比較流行的是用社群媒體社群媒體的行銷甚至是一些網紅的行銷年輕人的行銷方式因為就我本人\n\n02:50.206 --> 03:15.360\n出國旅遊的經驗來講我都是看所謂的網路行銷的部分的介紹這個部分我覺得觀光署可以來加強行銷重要那相關的觀光資源的投注也是一個重要的方向那也必須在總預算的部分我們希望能夠能夠詳細的審查部長也必須提出詳細的一個說明另外也必須要跟行政院長\n\n03:16.560 --> 03:33.990\n爭取更多的觀光資源來投注這才是一個重要的一個方向那我們是給你半年的時間我們要看你提出相關的這樣的一個政策來部長我請教一下你對明年的國際觀光的人數你心裡有沒有一個底\n\n03:35.704 --> 03:52.445\n我覺得今年如果達到多少人數大概750萬到800萬我們一定是往上加嘛那我不希望過去提的數字有時候跟事實有些偏離啦我希望比較務實一點不過我覺得明年的目標應該可以達到今年沒達到的那一個目標\n\n03:57.611 --> 04:19.566\n要有志氣一點部長要提出你的具體因為推動觀光旅遊就是要像你這樣一個年輕有魄力的部長來推動要更有信心你自己都講這麼沒有信心觀光旅遊業者會有信心民眾會有信心嗎今年沒有達到的一千萬我們明年最少要達到一千萬\n\n04:23.012 --> 04:39.801\n提出更具體的一個數字跟相關的政策出來另外對於新旅航空JS871的這樣的一個重降落的事件那其實就讓我回想到2014年復興航空澎湖的空難\n\n04:41.002 --> 05:06.986\n那當時啊也是颱風期間也因為啊市縣及相關的這個問題啊雖然在合乎相關的降落的規範但是因為啊這個當時啊澎湖機場沒有這種盲降的系統這是在事後我要求之後才做的可以對準跑道可以對準相關的角度以及距離的這個盲降系統是之後才設立的\n\n05:07.566 --> 05:36.932\n那當然在這次的桃園機場重降落這個事件雖然桃園機場是沒有盲降系統它是有更好的移降系統那這樣的一個狀況那當初澎湖復興礦帶造成嚴重的傷亡也是因為它角度太低要重新起飛的時候重飛的時候角度太低已經爬不起來所以就嚴重的撞擊那\n\n05:38.227 --> 05:59.111\n我們現在來進行相關的就是說我們班機的派遣標準航空公司的派遣標準就是我們美航局所說的簽派在那個簽派在颱風期間當然是要依據最新的這樣一個氣象報告飛航限度來進行相關的風險評估來做相關的派遣來那個局長簡單說明一下我們這樣那個標準\n\n06:02.985 --> 06:18.272\n報告委員這個部分確實我們其實事前有要求航空公司要保守簽牌那從事後的一個轉將跟重飛來講確實這個保守的部分我們已經要求他檢討那三個檢討的重點就是一個就是不良天后的派遣\n\n06:18.732 --> 06:35.032\n那這個就包含這個風向還有這個風速這個速限然後再加上剛剛講的能見度不過能見度在這一次反正這一次會檢討這三個那第二個還有包含所謂的重落地就剛剛講的新宇這個部長這個對於不良氣候相關的這樣一個\n\n06:38.416 --> 06:42.278\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n06:59.906 --> 07:24.175\n航空公司要不要派遣飛機有一定的規範它最重要的基礎是在於機場有沒有開放或者是關閉那機場如果是在合格的範圍之內它也會提供相關降落的服務因為有一些緊急降落必須要來做處理另外就是航空業者又不一樣的心態他也是希望在\n\n07:24.935 --> 07:32.284\n相關的範圍之內盡量的不要取消班機或者是延後班機這會造成他們的一個虧損那相關的這樣的一個機場開放的關閉的標準來簡單說明一下在颱風期間\n\n07:39.484 --> 08:05.716\n我想跟委員報告其實所謂的機場的一個應該是說機場的塔台它有一個測台的標準譬如說那個塔台的風向達到多少的時候我們塔台會測台那可是在這個標準之內其實塔台都會提供服務那最重要的還是回到航空公司的派遣這個派遣的部分譬如說在前兩次的颱風他們就有做到所謂的保守派遣那這一次我們從事後來看確實沒有所以我們才要逐步來檢討他們\n\n08:06.836 --> 08:22.145\n所以會包含剛剛委員所講的風速風險還有包含這個這個這個超時主演可能也會有超時的情形那每一架次我們會去檢視他那檢視完以後會做一個可能會律定一個一個規範原則派錢的原則再給業者\n\n08:25.107 --> 08:46.648\n這個部分我們會再來做檢討那目前的調查狀況我們看到這個是不是重落地它當然是一個嚴重的重落地因為機子已經是2.25已經超過這個機型的紅區那確定是重落地那目前飛機的狀況好像是還沒有放飛因為它程序的標準就是\n\n08:48.450 --> 09:01.460\n必須針對飛機的狀況拍照傳到Airbus這種空中巴士的總公司讓他們來判斷是不是有相關的問題來做處理現在這個程序進行到怎樣\n\n09:02.353 --> 09:20.867\n目前正在進行中這個部分我們會跟原廠還有包含我們調查完才會放飛這個部分會向委員講就是這個部分要經過原廠那駕駛的部分還是在停飛當中因為我們要調查它的操作的部分有沒有違反規定那如果一旦這個部分確實都違反規定的話那我們會以民航法來裁罰\n\n09:22.088 --> 09:37.343\n這個必須要明確的處理那相關的我們看到這個航空公司的這個派遣的標準也必須要來做重新的一個檢視那我們民航局應該對航空業者在\n\n09:38.424 --> 09:54.753\n臺風期間相關的派遣決策就是我們所說的簽派簽派的這樣的一個過程要提供明確的規範那星雲航空在6月有發生這樣重落地的事件應該更嚴格的來檢視相關的派遣流程來說明一下\n\n09:56.301 --> 10:23.164\n新宇其實今年確實有發生幾次的重落地那每一次其實我們已經要求他相關組員的訓練等等這個部分我們已經都在要求那這一次在發生其實我們也會再要求尤其他的組員的訓練的部分看起來組員的訓練部分是要再加強因為如果在這個冊封標準或者是他的降落有問題的時候其實不應該有呈現像網路上這個這個他降落的情形\n\n10:23.524 --> 10:32.238\n所以這部分我明記局長、部長6月已經是中落地10月31又再一次的嚴重的中落地不可以再發生了\n\n10:33.188 --> 10:58.687\n他這個保守派遣要落實啦顯然新宇航空沒有落實保守派遣好相關的跑道管理跟風險的應對也都必須要去做處理我們看到跑道的積水當然它摩擦力不足就會造成這樣的一個重落地或是滑行的一個風險要強化這些道面的管理跟監督確保航機的安全另外最後的時間那我請教一下\n\n10:59.875 --> 11:15.533\n民航局對於高雄的航線的恢復那當然現在目前大概是疫情之前是37條那疫情之後恢復到27條那11月要再加上一條馬來西亞亞幣機場的航線那我在這邊要爭取\n\n11:19.798 --> 11:35.063\n高雄到神戶的航線因為關西、大阪跟神戶是三大機場關西地區的三大機場今年一到九月高雄往大阪機場的航線平均載客力都超過八成\n\n11:36.467 --> 12:04.071\n神戶機場也是日本關係地方的三大機場之一那另外對於高雄跟雄本的這個航線那高雄雄本的航線高雄跟雄本本來就是姊妹市過去每週三班是一個熱門的航線那往雄本的航線今年1至9月我們台灣到雄本的這個載客率也超過八成希望高雄到雄本的航線也趕快能夠恢復來部長您說明一下\n\n12:04.872 --> 12:21.535\n好我們到熊本的航線目前我們正在規劃當中也在跟日本那邊去溝通他們地勤的量能的問題如果這個問題神戶呢神戶的部分目前還沒有還在爭取當中但目前還沒有比較具體的進度不過熊本的部分可能會比較具體科技\n\n12:21.775 --> 12:36.422\n熊本會比較快恢復航線比較快那爭取新的神戶的部分局長跟部長要努力了最後一個就是高雄郵輪來李協議董事長我們的高雄郵輪的母港狀況真的是\n\n12:37.742 --> 13:01.988\n越來越嚴重業績越來越不好你看2023、2024、2025這個比較你看一下就知道然後我們看到這個旅客服務費在過去我們要求對旅客服務費要打折來吸引這種國際優等那旅客服務費5折的這個港口目前有基隆、高雄還有澎湖那旅客服務費它\n\n13:02.828 --> 13:14.424\n五折它有一個啟動的條件就是說統一的國際輿輪累積達標後下一航次期旅客服務費五折\n\n13:15.884 --> 13:34.551\n這個部分這是過去我要求的必須要有這樣的一個優惠那我們看到5則的啟動標準吉隆港、高雄港要10艘次我們跟高雄港是同一個標準澎湖港是5艘次但是我們看到這個2024年郵輪的這個扶惠優惠的啟動的狀況\n\n13:39.226 --> 14:07.666\n高雄港是兩家而已10艘次佔了24%那基隆港有5家基隆港的發展不錯那有218艘次佔比63%那我具體要求調整高雄港服務費的減免機制兩階段的優惠第一階段第一艘期旅客的服務費就全面打7折第二階段母港3艘次期就免旅客的服務費那\n\n14:08.487 --> 14:15.851\n有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司\n\n14:33.779 --> 14:57.994\n賣碳卸掉有什麼停泊費、服務費高雄的演唱會經濟做得好是因為我們的私營主場館是以低廉的這樣的一個場地費用讓國內外的巨星到高雄來辦演唱會我們賺大錢的旅客觀光消費餐廳爭取旅客進來比較重要請這個董事長我們再跟你來討論相關的這樣的一個標準沒有問題謝謝委員\n\n15:02.793 --> 15:04.251\n好謝謝李委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.352,"end":16.484,"text":"謝謝 召委 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相關的跑道管理跟風險的應對也都必須要去做處理我們看到跑道的積水當然它摩擦力不足就會造成這樣的一個重落地或是滑行的一個風險要強化這些道面的管理跟監督確保航機的安全另外最後的時間那我請教一下"},{"start":659.875,"end":675.533,"text":"民航局對於高雄的航線的恢復那當然現在目前大概是疫情之前是37條那疫情之後恢復到27條那11月要再加上一條馬來西亞亞幣機場的航線那我在這邊要爭取"},{"start":679.798,"end":695.063,"text":"高雄到神戶的航線因為關西、大阪跟神戶是三大機場關西地區的三大機場今年一到九月高雄往大阪機場的航線平均載客力都超過八成"},{"start":696.467,"end":724.071,"text":"神戶機場也是日本關係地方的三大機場之一那另外對於高雄跟雄本的這個航線那高雄雄本的航線高雄跟雄本本來就是姊妹市過去每週三班是一個熱門的航線那往雄本的航線今年1至9月我們台灣到雄本的這個載客率也超過八成希望高雄到雄本的航線也趕快能夠恢復來部長您說明一下"},{"start":724.872,"end":741.535,"text":"好我們到熊本的航線目前我們正在規劃當中也在跟日本那邊去溝通他們地勤的量能的問題如果這個問題神戶呢神戶的部分目前還沒有還在爭取當中但目前還沒有比較具體的進度不過熊本的部分可能會比較具體科技"},{"start":741.775,"end":756.422,"text":"熊本會比較快恢復航線比較快那爭取新的神戶的部分局長跟部長要努力了最後一個就是高雄郵輪來李協議董事長我們的高雄郵輪的母港狀況真的是"},{"start":757.742,"end":781.988,"text":"越來越嚴重業績越來越不好你看2023、2024、2025這個比較你看一下就知道然後我們看到這個旅客服務費在過去我們要求對旅客服務費要打折來吸引這種國際優等那旅客服務費5折的這個港口目前有基隆、高雄還有澎湖那旅客服務費它"},{"start":782.828,"end":794.424,"text":"五折它有一個啟動的條件就是說統一的國際輿輪累積達標後下一航次期旅客服務費五折"},{"start":795.884,"end":814.551,"text":"這個部分這是過去我要求的必須要有這樣的一個優惠那我們看到5則的啟動標準吉隆港、高雄港要10艘次我們跟高雄港是同一個標準澎湖港是5艘次但是我們看到這個2024年郵輪的這個扶惠優惠的啟動的狀況"},{"start":819.226,"end":847.666,"text":"高雄港是兩家而已10艘次佔了24%那基隆港有5家基隆港的發展不錯那有218艘次佔比63%那我具體要求調整高雄港服務費的減免機制兩階段的優惠第一階段第一艘期旅客的服務費就全面打7折第二階段母港3艘次期就免旅客的服務費那"},{"start":848.487,"end":855.851,"text":"有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司"},{"start":873.779,"end":897.994,"text":"賣碳卸掉有什麼停泊費、服務費高雄的演唱會經濟做得好是因為我們的私營主場館是以低廉的這樣的一個場地費用讓國內外的巨星到高雄來辦演唱會我們賺大錢的旅客觀光消費餐廳爭取旅客進來比較重要請這個董事長我們再跟你來討論相關的這樣的一個標準沒有問題 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