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--> 00:01:37,100\n擔心漏油所以油的部分我們優先處理第二部分才是船體的處理那今天已經有這個作業人員已經上去這是一方面二方面我們很擔心說過幾天或者是今天下午或晚上之後會不會海象又不好所以我們同時也在進行一個方案就是我們有那個升降的平台船我們正在調我們希望升降平台船如果過來比較不會受到海象的影響所以跟委員報告我們第一時間希望能夠處理的是抽油\n\n5\n00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:58,323\n那今天還好已經上去有機會目前沒有漏油目前沒有漏油那第二件事情本來應該在發生擱淺之前12個小時之前航港局就已經發出可以讓他們離港的事情為什麼沒有離港我們當時有請他們離港也有給他離港的通知跟訊息為什麼沒有離港但他沒有離港\n\n6\n00:02:02,407 --> 00:02:14,779\n這個船他是因為康瑞颱風來襲那依照這個防颱的標準程序他必須要離港避風所以我記得在他離港前12個小時甚至更久就可以離港為什麼沒有離港\n\n7\n00:02:17,102 --> 00:02:30,962\n對什麼沒有離港?港務公司他為什麼不走啊?委員在問的意思是為什麼他不走?報告委員基隆港部分公司向你報告那個船基本上他是在28號他有提出申請那他因為他那個\n\n8\n00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:45,444\n他那個船的那個高度重心比較不穩那通常這個船是要離港去避台那28號他提出申請以後相關的程序那個符合為什麼拖了12個小時為什麼造成這次的災難\n\n9\n00:02:47,038 --> 00:03:07,930\n包委員雖然還沒有漏油不過已經造成現在很麻煩的事情了為什麼為什麼部長這個事情我希望你們去查清楚為什麼為什麼我堅持了12個小時才離港如果今天早12個小時離港就不會發生現在擱淺的事情不是嗎包委員那個有按照針對這個擱淺的事情我就想要下一個議題\n\n10\n00:03:09,198 --> 00:03:36,576\nKEDA、SOFIA還有洪聖88號甚至還有其他7艘我查到的貨輪都已經在因爲颱風期間在臺灣海域擱淺那這件事情可能未來還請外交部協助所以我認為有關船舶保險的制度應該要修正甚至這樣講港務公司也好、航港局也好全部都是比照當然如果你們老一輩都還記得都是比照PSA都是舉在新加坡港務公司新加坡港務集團設立的\n\n11\n00:03:38,378 --> 00:04:06,981\n可是我們的船舶保險制度並沒有跟新加坡並沒有達到國際的標準所以本席在這邊提出幾個事情尤其最重要的P&I所謂的船東強制責任險船東強制責任險上面來講未來所有進來台灣的船應該他們的insurancepolicy上面理賠條件應該要理賠全額的損失而船東致富額應該要比保險公司來得少得多\n\n12\n00:04:07,822 --> 00:04:34,921\n因為我們現在看到有太多的傳東出了事之後傳東就跑了跑了之後呢然後保險公司說我們沒有責任啊我們也不知道啊這個事情應該要杜絕像說我知道的狀況是一般來講傳東可能自付額可能到2萬到6萬美金可是90%都是給這個保險公司來付的這個我們不需要要求而包括客輪也需要要你的賠償金要能夠足夠\n\n13\n00:04:35,962 --> 00:05:00,382\n不然的話說真的未來還有一個船體險P&I是船東責任強制險可是只保第三方沒有找到如果說沉船的時候所以我們現在看到Kata我們現在看到Sophia還甚至如果未來宇宙號搞不好也是一樣狀況船沉在那邊我們保險公司沒有錢付啊我們不需要付這個錢啊所以我們就擱在那邊變成觀光景點多可笑\n\n14\n00:05:02,096 --> 00:05:20,893\n第二個保險公司其實也有不良保險公司保險公司應該有國際認證像QB1像全球獎十三大聯保不然的話應該重演審查我們也很清楚的知道有哪些保險公司是專門在賣證明的賣進來的證明這個應該要杜絕多少次有這個事情發生\n\n15\n00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:47,499\n不是說現在陳部長上任之後才有嗎之前好幾年就一直有這個事情發生這種事情導致說每次這些環境污染的成本都是我們自己都是我們自己台灣政府在吸收這個要杜絕而且要落實說真的這就是外交部要幫忙因為我們不是在國際組織裡面要落實針對保險公司資本額的審查所謂SMP的檢查\n\n16\n00:05:48,942 --> 00:06:15,120\n不然的話這個保險公司根本是個空頭公司然後這個保險公司賣了一個證明給我們的船船進來的發生事情的保險公司沒錢付不是只有無良船東也有無良保險公司這個事情需要去改善而且一旦發生任何災害先是保險公司要先第一時間出來理賠不是等到船東作業說我願意付錢之後保險公司才跑出來沒有這個道理\n\n17\n00:06:17,588 --> 00:06:45,504\n該付錢了造成污染了馬上就應該處理不是等到說誰的責任多對不起環境污染不等的KEDA我記得是KEDA在台南外海32個貨櫃在外面把整個海洋全部污染跟魚雷一樣那這個事情總是要有人來負責總是要有人來改善吧最後一個PSC也就是所謂我們的港口所在地的檢查人員我們知道每一個港口離開的時候我們檢查人員都會提出船上有些哪些\n\n18\n00:06:45,984 --> 00:07:07,643\n哪些缺失之處那麻煩如果下一次這PSC檢查人員必須落實船上說檢查船上缺失之處而且確認他們有沒有改善至少一計要一次不要得過且過得過且過最後如果要不配合船舶請麻煩拒絕入港不然每一次進來的時候都是倒楣是我們自己\n\n19\n00:07:08,715 --> 00:07:30,588\n部長這當然是您才上任不到半年但是這個事情與其說等到說您後面是怎麼樣再去改善到現在就開始現在就應該要落實了對要跟上國際因為這是我剛剛提的這些全部都是航港界拿新加坡港務公司的標準拿來要求我們那既然我們是國際商港我們就應該做到一樣事情部長認為嗎\n\n20\n00:07:31,465 --> 00:07:58,445\n我認為應該要這麼做那委員您剛剛所提到的保險的這個稽查的部分在兩年前已經有在落實了所以目前所發現的最近發生的這幾個案件我們跟保險公司之間的串接都還算順暢那賠償的部分也應該都做得到未來部長可能這邊也要請外交部幫忙因為我們不是這個正式國家但是外交部可以有幫忙去查到說這些保險公司資本到底是我們查證的部分也會拜託外交部協助好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5886\t20037\t也請陳部長跟航空局業局長還有港務公司的李董事長來李董事長好部長麻煩一下全國都在關心現在在野柳擱淺的豫州號貨輪請跟我們最新的狀況\n23650\t51355\t跟委員報告這個貨輪從擱淺的第一天我們就非常的在意也非常的緊張所以我本人也到野柳那個地方去看在颱風天的時候那從颱風過後的每一天我們其實都有派抽油船希望能夠靠過去抽油希望能靠過去抽油但是海浪只要超過2公尺大概就沒辦法那前兩天的海浪都超過了4公尺所以我們的抽油船到了現場沒辦法作業不過今天這個海象的狀況有比較好\n51835\t67124\t所以我們的抽油船也到了現場那目前人員已經上到這個濫船濫船就是擱淺的這艘船上面去開始在作業那目前的作業是把他的這個通風口先把它堵住不要讓油漏掉因為第一步我們要處理的是\n68064\t97100\t擔心漏油所以油的部分我們優先處理第二部分才是船體的處理那今天已經有這個作業人員已經上去這是一方面二方面我們很擔心說過幾天或者是今天下午或晚上之後會不會海象又不好所以我們同時也在進行一個方案就是我們有那個升降的平台船我們正在調我們希望升降平台船如果過來比較不會受到海象的影響所以跟委員報告我們第一時間希望能夠處理的是抽油\n97580\t118323\t那今天還好已經上去有機會目前沒有漏油目前沒有漏油那第二件事情本來應該在發生擱淺之前12個小時之前航港局就已經發出可以讓他們離港的事情為什麼沒有離港我們當時有請他們離港也有給他離港的通知跟訊息為什麼沒有離港但他沒有離港\n122407\t134779\t這個船他是因為康瑞颱風來襲那依照這個防颱的標準程序他必須要離港避風所以我記得在他離港前12個小時甚至更久就可以離港為什麼沒有離港\n137102\t150962\t對什麼沒有離港?港務公司他為什麼不走啊?委員在問的意思是為什麼他不走?報告委員基隆港部分公司向你報告那個船基本上他是在28號他有提出申請那他因為他那個\n151943\t165444\t他那個船的那個高度重心比較不穩那通常這個船是要離港去避台那28號他提出申請以後相關的程序那個符合為什麼拖了12個小時為什麼造成這次的災難\n167038\t187930\t包委員雖然還沒有漏油不過已經造成現在很麻煩的事情了為什麼為什麼部長這個事情我希望你們去查清楚為什麼為什麼我堅持了12個小時才離港如果今天早12個小時離港就不會發生現在擱淺的事情不是嗎包委員那個有按照針對這個擱淺的事情我就想要下一個議題\n189198\t216576\tKEDA、SOFIA還有洪聖88號甚至還有其他7艘我查到的貨輪都已經在因爲颱風期間在臺灣海域擱淺那這件事情可能未來還請外交部協助所以我認為有關船舶保險的制度應該要修正甚至這樣講港務公司也好、航港局也好全部都是比照當然如果你們老一輩都還記得都是比照PSA都是舉在新加坡港務公司新加坡港務集團設立的\n218378\t246981\t可是我們的船舶保險制度並沒有跟新加坡並沒有達到國際的標準所以本席在這邊提出幾個事情尤其最重要的P&I所謂的船東強制責任險船東強制責任險上面來講未來所有進來台灣的船應該他們的insurance policy上面理賠條件應該要理賠全額的損失而船東致富額應該要比保險公司來得少得多\n247822\t274921\t因為我們現在看到有太多的傳東出了事之後傳東就跑了跑了之後呢然後保險公司說我們沒有責任啊我們也不知道啊這個事情應該要杜絕像說我知道的狀況是一般來講傳東可能自付額可能到2萬到6萬美金可是90%都是給這個保險公司來付的這個我們不需要要求而包括客輪也需要要你的賠償金要能夠足夠\n275962\t300382\t不然的話說真的未來還有一個船體險P&I是船東責任強制險可是只保第三方沒有找到如果說沉船的時候所以我們現在看到Kata我們現在看到Sophia還甚至如果未來宇宙號搞不好也是一樣狀況船沉在那邊我們保險公司沒有錢付啊我們不需要付這個錢啊所以我們就擱在那邊變成觀光景點多可笑\n302096\t320893\t第二個保險公司其實也有不良保險公司保險公司應該有國際認證像QB1像全球獎十三大聯保不然的話應該重演審查我們也很清楚的知道有哪些保險公司是專門在賣證明的賣進來的證明這個應該要杜絕多少次有這個事情發生\n327130\t347499\t不是說現在陳部長上任之後才有嗎之前好幾年就一直有這個事情發生這種事情導致說每次這些環境污染的成本都是我們自己都是我們自己台灣政府在吸收這個要杜絕而且要落實說真的這就是外交部要幫忙因為我們不是在國際組織裡面要落實針對保險公司資本額的審查所謂SMP的檢查\n348942\t375120\t不然的話這個保險公司根本是個空頭公司然後這個保險公司賣了一個證明給我們的船船進來的發生事情的保險公司沒錢付不是只有無良船東也有無良保險公司這個事情需要去改善而且一旦發生任何災害先是保險公司要先第一時間出來理賠不是等到船東作業說我願意付錢之後保險公司才跑出來沒有這個道理\n377588\t405504\t該付錢了造成污染了馬上就應該處理不是等到說誰的責任多對不起環境污染不等的KEDA我記得是KEDA在台南外海32個貨櫃在外面把整個海洋全部污染跟魚雷一樣那這個事情總是要有人來負責總是要有人來改善吧最後一個PSC也就是所謂我們的港口所在地的檢查人員我們知道每一個港口離開的時候我們檢查人員都會提出船上有些哪些\n405984\t427643\t哪些缺失之處那麻煩如果下一次這PSC檢查人員必須落實船上說檢查船上缺失之處而且確認他們有沒有改善至少一計要一次不要得過且過得過且過最後如果要不配合船舶請麻煩拒絕入港不然每一次進來的時候都是倒楣是我們自己\n428715\t450588\t部長這當然是您才上任不到半年但是這個事情與其說等到說您後面是怎麼樣再去改善到現在就開始現在就應該要落實了對要跟上國際因為這是我剛剛提的這些全部都是航港界拿新加坡港務公司的標準拿來要求我們那既然我們是國際商港我們就應該做到一樣事情部長認為嗎\n451465\t478445\t我認為應該要這麼做那委員您剛剛所提到的保險的這個稽查的部分在兩年前已經有在落實了所以目前所發現的最近發生的這幾個案件我們跟保險公司之間的串接都還算順暢那賠償的部分也應該都做得到未來部長可能這邊也要請外交部幫忙因為我們不是這個正式國家但是外交部可以有幫忙去查到說這些保險公司資本到底是我們查證的部分也會拜託外交部協助好 謝謝\n","txt":"也請陳部長跟航空局業局長還有港務公司的李董事長來李董事長好部長麻煩一下全國都在關心現在在野柳擱淺的豫州號貨輪請跟我們最新的狀況\n跟委員報告這個貨輪從擱淺的第一天我們就非常的在意也非常的緊張所以我本人也到野柳那個地方去看在颱風天的時候那從颱風過後的每一天我們其實都有派抽油船希望能夠靠過去抽油希望能靠過去抽油但是海浪只要超過2公尺大概就沒辦法那前兩天的海浪都超過了4公尺所以我們的抽油船到了現場沒辦法作業不過今天這個海象的狀況有比較好\n所以我們的抽油船也到了現場那目前人員已經上到這個濫船濫船就是擱淺的這艘船上面去開始在作業那目前的作業是把他的這個通風口先把它堵住不要讓油漏掉因為第一步我們要處理的是\n擔心漏油所以油的部分我們優先處理第二部分才是船體的處理那今天已經有這個作業人員已經上去這是一方面二方面我們很擔心說過幾天或者是今天下午或晚上之後會不會海象又不好所以我們同時也在進行一個方案就是我們有那個升降的平台船我們正在調我們希望升降平台船如果過來比較不會受到海象的影響所以跟委員報告我們第一時間希望能夠處理的是抽油\n那今天還好已經上去有機會目前沒有漏油目前沒有漏油那第二件事情本來應該在發生擱淺之前12個小時之前航港局就已經發出可以讓他們離港的事情為什麼沒有離港我們當時有請他們離港也有給他離港的通知跟訊息為什麼沒有離港但他沒有離港\n這個船他是因為康瑞颱風來襲那依照這個防颱的標準程序他必須要離港避風所以我記得在他離港前12個小時甚至更久就可以離港為什麼沒有離港\n對什麼沒有離港?港務公司他為什麼不走啊?委員在問的意思是為什麼他不走?報告委員基隆港部分公司向你報告那個船基本上他是在28號他有提出申請那他因為他那個\n他那個船的那個高度重心比較不穩那通常這個船是要離港去避台那28號他提出申請以後相關的程序那個符合為什麼拖了12個小時為什麼造成這次的災難\n包委員雖然還沒有漏油不過已經造成現在很麻煩的事情了為什麼為什麼部長這個事情我希望你們去查清楚為什麼為什麼我堅持了12個小時才離港如果今天早12個小時離港就不會發生現在擱淺的事情不是嗎包委員那個有按照針對這個擱淺的事情我就想要下一個議題\nKEDA、SOFIA還有洪聖88號甚至還有其他7艘我查到的貨輪都已經在因爲颱風期間在臺灣海域擱淺那這件事情可能未來還請外交部協助所以我認為有關船舶保險的制度應該要修正甚至這樣講港務公司也好、航港局也好全部都是比照當然如果你們老一輩都還記得都是比照PSA都是舉在新加坡港務公司新加坡港務集團設立的\n可是我們的船舶保險制度並沒有跟新加坡並沒有達到國際的標準所以本席在這邊提出幾個事情尤其最重要的P&I所謂的船東強制責任險船東強制責任險上面來講未來所有進來台灣的船應該他們的insurance policy上面理賠條件應該要理賠全額的損失而船東致富額應該要比保險公司來得少得多\n因為我們現在看到有太多的傳東出了事之後傳東就跑了跑了之後呢然後保險公司說我們沒有責任啊我們也不知道啊這個事情應該要杜絕像說我知道的狀況是一般來講傳東可能自付額可能到2萬到6萬美金可是90%都是給這個保險公司來付的這個我們不需要要求而包括客輪也需要要你的賠償金要能夠足夠\n不然的話說真的未來還有一個船體險P&I是船東責任強制險可是只保第三方沒有找到如果說沉船的時候所以我們現在看到Kata我們現在看到Sophia還甚至如果未來宇宙號搞不好也是一樣狀況船沉在那邊我們保險公司沒有錢付啊我們不需要付這個錢啊所以我們就擱在那邊變成觀光景點多可笑\n第二個保險公司其實也有不良保險公司保險公司應該有國際認證像QB1像全球獎十三大聯保不然的話應該重演審查我們也很清楚的知道有哪些保險公司是專門在賣證明的賣進來的證明這個應該要杜絕多少次有這個事情發生\n不是說現在陳部長上任之後才有嗎之前好幾年就一直有這個事情發生這種事情導致說每次這些環境污染的成本都是我們自己都是我們自己台灣政府在吸收這個要杜絕而且要落實說真的這就是外交部要幫忙因為我們不是在國際組織裡面要落實針對保險公司資本額的審查所謂SMP的檢查\n不然的話這個保險公司根本是個空頭公司然後這個保險公司賣了一個證明給我們的船船進來的發生事情的保險公司沒錢付不是只有無良船東也有無良保險公司這個事情需要去改善而且一旦發生任何災害先是保險公司要先第一時間出來理賠不是等到船東作業說我願意付錢之後保險公司才跑出來沒有這個道理\n該付錢了造成污染了馬上就應該處理不是等到說誰的責任多對不起環境污染不等的KEDA我記得是KEDA在台南外海32個貨櫃在外面把整個海洋全部污染跟魚雷一樣那這個事情總是要有人來負責總是要有人來改善吧最後一個PSC也就是所謂我們的港口所在地的檢查人員我們知道每一個港口離開的時候我們檢查人員都會提出船上有些哪些\n哪些缺失之處那麻煩如果下一次這PSC檢查人員必須落實船上說檢查船上缺失之處而且確認他們有沒有改善至少一計要一次不要得過且過得過且過最後如果要不配合船舶請麻煩拒絕入港不然每一次進來的時候都是倒楣是我們自己\n部長這當然是您才上任不到半年但是這個事情與其說等到說您後面是怎麼樣再去改善到現在就開始現在就應該要落實了對要跟上國際因為這是我剛剛提的這些全部都是航港界拿新加坡港務公司的標準拿來要求我們那既然我們是國際商港我們就應該做到一樣事情部長認為嗎\n我認為應該要這麼做那委員您剛剛所提到的保險的這個稽查的部分在兩年前已經有在落實了所以目前所發現的最近發生的這幾個案件我們跟保險公司之間的串接都還算順暢那賠償的部分也應該都做得到未來部長可能這邊也要請外交部幫忙因為我們不是這個正式國家但是外交部可以有幫忙去查到說這些保險公司資本到底是我們查證的部分也會拜託外交部協助好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.886 --> 00:20.037\n也請陳部長跟航空局業局長還有港務公司的李董事長來李董事長好部長麻煩一下全國都在關心現在在野柳擱淺的豫州號貨輪請跟我們最新的狀況\n\n00:23.650 --> 00:51.355\n跟委員報告這個貨輪從擱淺的第一天我們就非常的在意也非常的緊張所以我本人也到野柳那個地方去看在颱風天的時候那從颱風過後的每一天我們其實都有派抽油船希望能夠靠過去抽油希望能靠過去抽油但是海浪只要超過2公尺大概就沒辦法那前兩天的海浪都超過了4公尺所以我們的抽油船到了現場沒辦法作業不過今天這個海象的狀況有比較好\n\n00:51.835 --> 01:07.124\n所以我們的抽油船也到了現場那目前人員已經上到這個濫船濫船就是擱淺的這艘船上面去開始在作業那目前的作業是把他的這個通風口先把它堵住不要讓油漏掉因為第一步我們要處理的是\n\n01:08.064 --> 01:37.100\n擔心漏油所以油的部分我們優先處理第二部分才是船體的處理那今天已經有這個作業人員已經上去這是一方面二方面我們很擔心說過幾天或者是今天下午或晚上之後會不會海象又不好所以我們同時也在進行一個方案就是我們有那個升降的平台船我們正在調我們希望升降平台船如果過來比較不會受到海象的影響所以跟委員報告我們第一時間希望能夠處理的是抽油\n\n01:37.580 --> 01:58.323\n那今天還好已經上去有機會目前沒有漏油目前沒有漏油那第二件事情本來應該在發生擱淺之前12個小時之前航港局就已經發出可以讓他們離港的事情為什麼沒有離港我們當時有請他們離港也有給他離港的通知跟訊息為什麼沒有離港但他沒有離港\n\n02:02.407 --> 02:14.779\n這個船他是因為康瑞颱風來襲那依照這個防颱的標準程序他必須要離港避風所以我記得在他離港前12個小時甚至更久就可以離港為什麼沒有離港\n\n02:17.102 --> 02:30.962\n對什麼沒有離港?港務公司他為什麼不走啊?委員在問的意思是為什麼他不走?報告委員基隆港部分公司向你報告那個船基本上他是在28號他有提出申請那他因為他那個\n\n02:31.943 --> 02:45.444\n他那個船的那個高度重心比較不穩那通常這個船是要離港去避台那28號他提出申請以後相關的程序那個符合為什麼拖了12個小時為什麼造成這次的災難\n\n02:47.038 --> 03:07.930\n包委員雖然還沒有漏油不過已經造成現在很麻煩的事情了為什麼為什麼部長這個事情我希望你們去查清楚為什麼為什麼我堅持了12個小時才離港如果今天早12個小時離港就不會發生現在擱淺的事情不是嗎包委員那個有按照針對這個擱淺的事情我就想要下一個議題\n\n03:09.198 --> 03:36.576\nKEDA、SOFIA還有洪聖88號甚至還有其他7艘我查到的貨輪都已經在因爲颱風期間在臺灣海域擱淺那這件事情可能未來還請外交部協助所以我認為有關船舶保險的制度應該要修正甚至這樣講港務公司也好、航港局也好全部都是比照當然如果你們老一輩都還記得都是比照PSA都是舉在新加坡港務公司新加坡港務集團設立的\n\n03:38.378 --> 04:06.981\n可是我們的船舶保險制度並沒有跟新加坡並沒有達到國際的標準所以本席在這邊提出幾個事情尤其最重要的P&I所謂的船東強制責任險船東強制責任險上面來講未來所有進來台灣的船應該他們的insurancepolicy上面理賠條件應該要理賠全額的損失而船東致富額應該要比保險公司來得少得多\n\n04:07.822 --> 04:34.921\n因為我們現在看到有太多的傳東出了事之後傳東就跑了跑了之後呢然後保險公司說我們沒有責任啊我們也不知道啊這個事情應該要杜絕像說我知道的狀況是一般來講傳東可能自付額可能到2萬到6萬美金可是90%都是給這個保險公司來付的這個我們不需要要求而包括客輪也需要要你的賠償金要能夠足夠\n\n04:35.962 --> 05:00.382\n不然的話說真的未來還有一個船體險P&I是船東責任強制險可是只保第三方沒有找到如果說沉船的時候所以我們現在看到Kata我們現在看到Sophia還甚至如果未來宇宙號搞不好也是一樣狀況船沉在那邊我們保險公司沒有錢付啊我們不需要付這個錢啊所以我們就擱在那邊變成觀光景點多可笑\n\n05:02.096 --> 05:20.893\n第二個保險公司其實也有不良保險公司保險公司應該有國際認證像QB1像全球獎十三大聯保不然的話應該重演審查我們也很清楚的知道有哪些保險公司是專門在賣證明的賣進來的證明這個應該要杜絕多少次有這個事情發生\n\n05:27.130 --> 05:47.499\n不是說現在陳部長上任之後才有嗎之前好幾年就一直有這個事情發生這種事情導致說每次這些環境污染的成本都是我們自己都是我們自己台灣政府在吸收這個要杜絕而且要落實說真的這就是外交部要幫忙因為我們不是在國際組織裡面要落實針對保險公司資本額的審查所謂SMP的檢查\n\n05:48.942 --> 06:15.120\n不然的話這個保險公司根本是個空頭公司然後這個保險公司賣了一個證明給我們的船船進來的發生事情的保險公司沒錢付不是只有無良船東也有無良保險公司這個事情需要去改善而且一旦發生任何災害先是保險公司要先第一時間出來理賠不是等到船東作業說我願意付錢之後保險公司才跑出來沒有這個道理\n\n06:17.588 --> 06:45.504\n該付錢了造成污染了馬上就應該處理不是等到說誰的責任多對不起環境污染不等的KEDA我記得是KEDA在台南外海32個貨櫃在外面把整個海洋全部污染跟魚雷一樣那這個事情總是要有人來負責總是要有人來改善吧最後一個PSC也就是所謂我們的港口所在地的檢查人員我們知道每一個港口離開的時候我們檢查人員都會提出船上有些哪些\n\n06:45.984 --> 07:07.643\n哪些缺失之處那麻煩如果下一次這PSC檢查人員必須落實船上說檢查船上缺失之處而且確認他們有沒有改善至少一計要一次不要得過且過得過且過最後如果要不配合船舶請麻煩拒絕入港不然每一次進來的時候都是倒楣是我們自己\n\n07:08.715 --> 07:30.588\n部長這當然是您才上任不到半年但是這個事情與其說等到說您後面是怎麼樣再去改善到現在就開始現在就應該要落實了對要跟上國際因為這是我剛剛提的這些全部都是航港界拿新加坡港務公司的標準拿來要求我們那既然我們是國際商港我們就應該做到一樣事情部長認為嗎\n\n07:31.465 --> 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