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00:03:36,951\n那這個部分要落實下去做因為坦白說我認為疫情之後到現在臺灣的這個觀光的恢復的速度確實是不夠快那也確實數字上我們不夠滿意那這個部分確實要做改進那委員您剛剛有提到說長期的規劃我們到2025年之前有做一個中期規劃2030年也有做一個中長期的規劃但我認為內容或許不夠好我們可以再繼續討論好啦部長\n\n10\n00:03:39,372 --> 00:04:07,943\n你當然有這種規劃是最好的那我不希望我不希望我們的交通政策由部長來規劃的時候其實我坦白講有很多事情要行政院支持也不是一個觀光署啊就可以解決的問題當初我們期待觀光局變成觀光署的時候會有所作為我看起來除了人員增加、預算增加以外也沒有什麼作為啊所以這些東西我要提醒部長是\n\n11\n00:04:08,723 --> 00:04:32,071\n一千兩百人問題在哪邊要找出來你講的只有講對一題有沒有可能政策性的開放一千兩百人以上是因為兩岸和平有大陸的觀光客來台灣其實我坦白跟你講阿里山也好啦日夜潭也好啊太魯閣也好我坦白講\n\n12\n00:04:33,351 --> 00:04:51,193\n世界各國他不懂什麼但是對岸就會觀光個就會把它當成是一個神奇的地方所以以前有1200萬現在沒有所以這個當然是牽涉到政策部長有時候站在台灣觀光利益的立場\n\n13\n00:04:53,155 --> 00:05:16,076\n這個兩岸的開放也是有必要報告委員我認為這一塊也非常重要所以我上任的第一天就已經呼籲希望對岸能夠開放他們的觀光客來到台灣那目前很可惜他們目前是對台灣是不開放的我還是希望對岸可以開放我還是希望這些東西有必要你提供意見的時候把它站在\n\n14\n00:05:17,397 --> 00:05:36,293\n營利的立場跟宣導的立場只要政策一開放1200人就不會有立委一直在罵你說你們達不到啦所以這個提醒給部長去做參考也都不要在那邊拐彎抹角問題這個也可以去納入另外\n\n15\n00:05:37,054 --> 00:05:51,599\n我們就要來討論一下高雄李映中心也就是剛才所討論的油潤不髒的問題為什麼為什麼來那個那個李李董事長為什麼會這樣\n\n16\n00:05:55,087 --> 00:06:23,674\n跟那個不要講太多理由你找出理由就好了現在就是為什麼主要是郵輪不來就是那個在COVID-19的時候不要講那個COVID-19啦人家香港的不影響來啦我跟你講啦董事長你講這個我都知道啦這個也不是你一個可以決定為什麼每況愈下郵輪不來高雄一直去香港\n\n17\n00:06:24,474 --> 00:06:52,366\n我坦白講我們這些要去檢討所以我時間的關係我也不要去問你你們很認真做我也知道但是每況一下是事實不要把高雄禮運中心阿花了那麼多錢蓋了那麼好的東西但是沒有去發揮我坦白跟你講這是非常冤枉政府民脂民膏這個部分欸現在就是高雄內地齁\n\n18\n00:06:53,627 --> 00:07:15,075\n高雄裏面的部長我告訴你成為豪華文職館就是我們的高雄理應中心這個我想我們也不要變事實就是這樣那我希望這個部分可能部長要督促然後我們這個董事長這裡可能也要去了解一下來\n\n19\n00:07:16,235 --> 00:07:32,877\n那其實真正的問題我必須要提醒給董事長做參考為什麼大家都要到香港去不到高雄來為什麼這個你們去找答案真的要了解我給你提供意見好不好好那個另外一個啊就是來楊董事長\n\n20\n00:07:38,515 --> 00:07:53,367\n機場為什麼最近都會出包像上次那個飛機起降發生這個問題你一再我特別帶人去做考察我們也不指責也不責罵希望你們以後不要再換來\n\n21\n00:07:56,723 --> 00:08:14,171\n楊總來第一個油罐車怎麼會去撞飛機第二個民眾怎麼會爬到你們的通道去把他墜落在大廳另外一個行李處為什麼會失火你可以不可以簡單告訴人家為什麼會這樣\n\n22\n00:08:15,883 --> 00:08:37,651\n第一個是在空車的部分那個是中油公司油罐車在地勤作業的時候他們的駕駛不小心去撞到了飛機的尾翼那這個案子是目前已經做了處理就是這個駕駛他必須要再重新他的駕照等等那些都已經做暫時的取消我們會去要求他們改進那第二個跟第三個呢事實上是機場公司本身管理上有缺口\n\n23\n00:08:39,191 --> 00:09:01,443\n這點我們都承認那民眾跑上通道的部分是因為我們在夜間那是在晚上3點多的時候我們夜間的維修工作是在半夜進行進行完以後工班要出來的時候這個民眾趁他交班進去了出來的時候他鑽進去了那我們的工作夥伴沒有發現那這些外包的這個廠商我們也特別的要求目前改善措施都已經做了\n\n24\n00:09:02,484 --> 00:09:09,489\n這是外人喔不是外包工人喔這個是外人喔這代表什麼管理不嚴謹所有人都要負責哪有一個機場可以跑進去隨便可以墜樓又墜在什麼那個大廳欸不管是那個那個是很殘忍的事這是我跟你講這個董事長真的這個要加緊嚴謹柏柏你針對這個你有什麼看法\n\n25\n00:09:30,704 --> 00:09:48,284\n這個部分我覺得機場的管理裡面確實是有問題才會出現這樣的狀況不是只有有問題是非常有問題是是是你知道非常有問題那楊董剛剛的說法我認為也有看到問題這個部分我們就是大膽下去改革該把問題補起來就把它補起來\n\n26\n00:09:49,946 --> 00:10:17,605\n好了我不希望這樣因為我為什麼這麼氣概因為上一次發生這個事情我們帶所有的委員去考察你們一再保證不會因為有小問題以後就有大問題啊所以這個部長你要督促一下來最後一個主席借給我一分鐘現在世界各國發生到一個問題就是電動行李車\n\n27\n00:10:18,925 --> 00:10:36,792\n因為它電動行李車它是有鋰電池它才會動電動行李車這個電動行李車說實在話是有危險的但是它是可以在機場裡面電動一按它就行李車\n\n28\n00:10:38,211 --> 00:10:53,125\n行李車他可以坐上去他不要走路他就可以用按的可是這個一存在的問題是鋁電池他因為很大所以行李車一上去是有危險的第二個在我們的\n\n29\n00:10:53,826 --> 00:11:07,535\n人行也就是我們機場裡面他一按他行李車他就可以去走路這些東西好世界各國現在有些國家發現問題都已經開始管理了請問部長\n\n30\n00:11:09,276 --> 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現在就是高雄內地齁\n413627\t435075\t高雄裏面的部長我告訴你成為豪華文職館就是我們的高雄理應中心這個我想我們也不要變事實就是這樣那我希望這個部分可能部長要督促然後我們這個董事長這裡可能也要去了解一下來\n436235\t452877\t那其實真正的問題我必須要提醒給董事長做參考為什麼大家都要到香港去不到高雄來為什麼這個你們去找答案真的要了解我給你提供意見好不好好那個另外一個啊就是來楊董事長\n458515\t473367\t機場為什麼最近都會出包像上次那個飛機起降發生這個問題你一再我特別帶人去做考察我們也不指責也不責罵希望你們以後不要再換來\n476723\t494171\t楊總來第一個油罐車怎麼會去撞飛機第二個民眾怎麼會爬到你們的通道去把他墜落在大廳另外一個行李處為什麼會失火你可以不可以簡單告訴人家為什麼會這樣\n495883\t517651\t第一個是在空車的部分那個是中油公司油罐車在地勤作業的時候他們的駕駛不小心去撞到了飛機的尾翼那這個案子是目前已經做了處理就是這個駕駛他必須要再重新他的駕照等等那些都已經做暫時的取消我們會去要求他們改進那第二個跟第三個呢事實上是機場公司本身管理上有缺口\n519191\t541443\t這點我們都承認那民眾跑上通道的部分是因為我們在夜間那是在晚上3點多的時候我們夜間的維修工作是在半夜進行進行完以後工班要出來的時候這個民眾趁他交班進去了出來的時候他鑽進去了那我們的工作夥伴沒有發現那這些外包的這個廠商我們也特別的要求目前改善措施都已經做了\n542484\t549489\t這是外人喔 不是外包工人喔這個是外人喔 這代表什麼管理不嚴謹 所有人都要負責哪有一個機場可以跑進去 隨便可以墜樓又墜在什麼 那個大廳欸不管是那個 那個是很殘忍的事這是我跟你講 這個董事長 真的 這個要加緊嚴謹柏柏 你針對這個你有什麼看法\n570704\t588284\t這個部分我覺得機場的管理裡面確實是有問題才會出現這樣的狀況不是只有有問題是非常有問題是是是你知道非常有問題那楊董剛剛的說法我認為也有看到問題這個部分我們就是大膽下去改革該把問題補起來就把它補起來\n589946\t617605\t好了我不希望這樣因為我為什麼這麼氣概因為上一次發生這個事情我們帶所有的委員去考察你們一再保證不會因為有小問題以後就有大問題啊所以這個部長你要督促一下來最後一個主席借給我一分鐘現在世界各國發生到一個問題就是電動行李車\n618925\t636792\t因為它電動行李車它是有鋰電池它才會動電動行李車這個電動行李車說實在話是有危險的但是它是可以在機場裡面電動一按它就行李車\n638211\t653125\t行李車他可以坐上去他不要走路他就可以用按的可是這個一存在的問題是鋁電池他因為很大所以行李車一上去是有危險的第二個在我們的\n653826\t667535\t人行也就是我們機場裡面他一按他行李車他就可以去走路這些東西好世界各國現在有些國家發現問題都已經開始管理了請問部長\n669276\t687924\t這個我們什麼時候倫敦、香港、日本、大阪、日本、名古屋現在都禁止用這些東西請問一下這是一個新問題喔博定不要當成發生事情以後你們再來管理所以本席啊特別提出這個問題讓你們去做思考\n690905\t711053\t要如何管理如何去做規範這些東西非常重要這只要飛機一上去離電池的問題如果燒起來飛機那是不堪設想啊所以管理就包括安全旅客的安全跟老百姓的安全是非常重要的所以部長這個\n712153\t735130\t我提醒你你們如何做了以後希望私底下給我一個你們如何因應的給我一個還給我們委員會一個報告好不好好這個以上這些我要特別勉勵楊董事長現在的管理真的非常重要還有部長你要督促一下好不好好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝林委員接下來有請\n","txt":"好謝謝主席請陳部長陳部長觀光署周署長還有我們機場公司楊董事長好楊董事長\n好來部長委員好每一個委員都認為應該要讓你半年的時間但是我在這裡特別要提醒部長一下我們也知道交通部管轄之多啦那事情之突然\n有限公司董事長、臺灣港務股份有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n說明一下從我們的觀光政策即使我坦白跟你講我從當議員到現在當立委我從頭看起來台灣觀光政策根本就是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳不像國外\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n我在想國內的促進觀光你們是有做但是國外到台灣來這個賴總統跟卓院長不是要讓人家看到台灣嗎可是你們規劃出來的政策完全沒有長期規劃的這些計畫部長你想一想1200萬人到現在600多柏定你認為問題出在哪邊\n報告委員當然我們要講國際因素大家不會接受如果要講天災的因素大家也不會接受雖然我們真的有遇到地震也遇到好幾個颱風大家不會接受我認為台灣目前的觀光的問題是在於說我們有很多的亮點\n但是我們永遠都凸顯固定那幾個亮點所以這一次當我們太魯閣受損之後整個國際觀光的形象也受損了所以我認為台灣還有其他的亮點要去開發這是第一個第二個我剛也有報告過就是國際行銷的部分我覺得新的時代要有新的方法過去的方法當然可以繼續做不過新的方法大家要來想辦法\n那這個部分要落實下去做因為坦白說我認為疫情之後到現在臺灣的這個觀光的恢復的速度確實是不夠快那也確實數字上我們不夠滿意那這個部分確實要做改進那委員您剛剛有提到說長期的規劃我們到2025年之前有做一個中期規劃2030年也有做一個中長期的規劃但我認為內容或許不夠好我們可以再繼續討論好啦部長\n你當然有這種規劃是最好的那我不希望我不希望我們的交通政策由部長來規劃的時候其實我坦白講有很多事情要行政院支持也不是一個觀光署啊就可以解決的問題當初我們期待觀光局變成觀光署的時候會有所作為我看起來除了人員增加、預算增加以外也沒有什麼作為啊所以這些東西我要提醒部長是\n一千兩百人問題在哪邊要找出來你講的只有講對一題有沒有可能政策性的開放一千兩百人以上是因為兩岸和平有大陸的觀光客來台灣其實我坦白跟你講阿里山也好啦日夜潭也好啊太魯閣也好我坦白講\n世界各國他不懂什麼但是對岸就會觀光個就會把它當成是一個神奇的地方所以以前有1200萬現在沒有所以這個當然是牽涉到政策部長有時候站在台灣觀光利益的立場\n這個兩岸的開放也是有必要報告委員我認為這一塊也非常重要所以我上任的第一天就已經呼籲希望對岸能夠開放他們的觀光客來到台灣那目前很可惜他們目前是對台灣是不開放的我還是希望對岸可以開放我還是希望這些東西有必要你提供意見的時候把它站在\n營利的立場跟宣導的立場只要政策一開放1200人就不會有立委一直在罵你說你們達不到啦所以這個提醒給部長去做參考也都不要在那邊拐彎抹角問題這個也可以去納入另外\n我們就要來討論一下高雄李映中心也就是剛才所討論的油潤不髒的問題為什麼為什麼來那個那個李李董事長為什麼會這樣\n跟那個不要講太多理由你找出理由就好了現在就是為什麼主要是郵輪不來就是那個在COVID-19的時候不要講那個COVID-19啦人家香港的不影響來啦我跟你講啦董事長你講這個我都知道啦這個也不是你一個可以決定為什麼每況愈下郵輪不來高雄一直去香港\n我坦白講我們這些要去檢討所以我時間的關係我也不要去問你你們很認真做我也知道但是每況一下是事實不要把高雄禮運中心阿花了那麼多錢蓋了那麼好的東西但是沒有去發揮我坦白跟你講這是非常冤枉政府民脂民膏這個部分欸 現在就是高雄內地齁\n高雄裏面的部長我告訴你成為豪華文職館就是我們的高雄理應中心這個我想我們也不要變事實就是這樣那我希望這個部分可能部長要督促然後我們這個董事長這裡可能也要去了解一下來\n那其實真正的問題我必須要提醒給董事長做參考為什麼大家都要到香港去不到高雄來為什麼這個你們去找答案真的要了解我給你提供意見好不好好那個另外一個啊就是來楊董事長\n機場為什麼最近都會出包像上次那個飛機起降發生這個問題你一再我特別帶人去做考察我們也不指責也不責罵希望你們以後不要再換來\n楊總來第一個油罐車怎麼會去撞飛機第二個民眾怎麼會爬到你們的通道去把他墜落在大廳另外一個行李處為什麼會失火你可以不可以簡單告訴人家為什麼會這樣\n第一個是在空車的部分那個是中油公司油罐車在地勤作業的時候他們的駕駛不小心去撞到了飛機的尾翼那這個案子是目前已經做了處理就是這個駕駛他必須要再重新他的駕照等等那些都已經做暫時的取消我們會去要求他們改進那第二個跟第三個呢事實上是機場公司本身管理上有缺口\n這點我們都承認那民眾跑上通道的部分是因為我們在夜間那是在晚上3點多的時候我們夜間的維修工作是在半夜進行進行完以後工班要出來的時候這個民眾趁他交班進去了出來的時候他鑽進去了那我們的工作夥伴沒有發現那這些外包的這個廠商我們也特別的要求目前改善措施都已經做了\n這是外人喔 不是外包工人喔這個是外人喔 這代表什麼管理不嚴謹 所有人都要負責哪有一個機場可以跑進去 隨便可以墜樓又墜在什麼 那個大廳欸不管是那個 那個是很殘忍的事這是我跟你講 這個董事長 真的 這個要加緊嚴謹柏柏 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