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00:01:34,403\n有關於這個跟司法院相關的是有6部那其中主責司法院主責的有兩部那剩下4部的話是本部跟司法院要一起來訂的所以基本上這6部的\n\n5\n00:01:36,344 --> 00:01:48,353\n因為牽扯到司法院我想部長部裡面這邊應該要跟司法院這邊來做好追蹤協調嘛不然你這個東西到時候實施了你有些又沒有跟上怎麼辦\n\n6\n00:01:50,694 --> 00:02:06,906\n我看到修法這個前後差異比較大的是我們精神患者回歸跟強制住院裁法官保留原則嘛對不對這兩個部分那嚴重的病人是由法院裁定強制住院那司法院遴選法官部分有什麼特殊要求嗎\n\n7\n00:02:09,472 --> 00:02:35,071\n還是什麼樣的法官都可以有關於這個法官的部分是由司法院這邊來訂定包含說在整個參審制裡面的這個參審的醫師跟參審的病權代表的相關的領選資格是由司法院來訂定的所以司法院來選擇就對了對好那我問你114年涉及司法院權責事項跟規定的部分要召開分區說明會我們預計要開幾場\n\n8\n00:02:40,952 --> 00:02:58,008\n跟委員報告因為司法院因應我們這個新法要上路其實已經規劃了12次的模擬法庭的這個我上個月是開辦在臺北嘛臺北地院其實他是有6個指定法院所以每一個法院會輪兩次總共要開12場現在開了幾場\n\n9\n00:03:02,574 --> 00:03:05,376\n我再請教我們心理衛生中心當初113年預估要有53處那10月底已經有52處了一個多月會達標嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:21,448 --> 00:03:48,040\n那精神病有多元社區生活方案發展計畫112年一共合定25家113年合定38家那114年到現在為止我們有提出幾家申請跟委員報告因為我們現在正在公開徵求當中所以還不確定有幾家會投進來但是因為我們的經費有增加我們預估補助的加數也會增加\n\n11\n00:03:49,871 --> 00:04:04,418\n我們針對未納入列管的經脹者肇事一再發生社會質疑資源沒有到位您認為針對精神障礙者的發現與照顧優化的資源有沒有到位?\n\n12\n00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:27,381\n部長你認為勒?我們一直在檢討沒有到你說完全到位當然有包括硬體軟體的一個還有人才的訓練我看了一下就是說這個全民心理健康這個韌性計畫是說訪視人力要由2021年的183位逐年補食至2025的1001位使負荷比\n\n13\n00:04:35,435 --> 00:04:36,475\n你什麼時候可以補助?\n\n14\n00:05:06,331 --> 00:05:32,363\n什麼時候可以補足那個一千零一位一千零一位的話是明年明年我們預計就是要全部都能達到對我們期待可以達到那我看到四年前這個我們本院提倡這個立成立司法精神病院那後來只用司法精神病房替代原本說好要在全台設置480床那目前只有高雄凱旋醫院只有30床\n\n15\n00:05:33,283 --> 00:05:49,661\n那所以我們5月從基隆某醫院介乎逃跑的那位思覺失調患者必須從基隆遠送高雄待執行那我請問衛福部為什麼司法精神病房其實沒有進度?到底遇到什麼困難?\n\n16\n00:05:51,356 --> 00:06:06,966\n跟委員報告其實司法精神醫療資源的部件我們都一直持續在進行那我們現在的規劃是在北中南東都要設置一家那司法精神病房部分會有180床那另外還會有這個司法精神醫療保安處分處所\n\n17\n00:06:12,609 --> 00:06:30,899\n我相信治療的追蹤目的都是希望我們患者能在穩定的情況下回歸社會但是我們也必須要承認是社會上的支持的系統還是需要努力的尤其是現在殺人犯都拿精神病來當擋箭牌我想這個部分\n\n18\n00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:33,820\n國小自殺通報6年來飆升10倍\n\n19\n00:06:59,148 --> 00:07:21,116\n111年14歲以下有19個孩子用自殺結束自己的生命那其中73.7%的個案自殺通報日就是死亡日這表示社會安全網沒有接觸這些孩子那14歲以下自殺的死亡人數110年大概有14人111年有19112年有24那我看到資料只有112年那113年現在有多少\n\n20\n00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:43,468\n因為我們的這個自殺通報跟死亡的數據都是我們都有在做一些關切但是死亡的數據的話要到明年大概5月底6月才會有最終的數字出來\n\n21\n00:07:44,945 --> 00:08:00,343\n市長,我這樣講,我不要把這個責任丟給教育部。我想這個強化精神疾病或是自殺防治的服務,衛福部都是主責機關。我希望由衛福部來主導這個事情,把這個\n\n22\n00:08:02,722 --> 00:08:03,542\n衛福部可以要求我們速發部來封網嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:25,204 --> 00:08:41,655\n有關於這個在媒體上面去做一些監測的這個事情的話其實我們也有在委託這個臺北市的電腦商業同業工會來幫我們去做一些這個偵測那另外就是說如果民眾發現這個跟抒發部沒有關係是嗎他們不負責查報就對了或者是你們查報了請他處理也沒辦法\n\n24\n00:08:50,777 --> 00:09:19,060\n我們如果接到民眾的這個通報或是機關的通報你剛剛講你委託台北的那個什麼電腦公司啊台北的什麼?台北電腦商業同業公會他有權利去封網嗎?沒有,他只是說他只是通報而已啊所以我想說我們要有實際的作為啊不對嗎?其實這個我們衛福部很注重這個對啦注重我是說那到底是最後誰能夠解決這個事情能夠把這個東西拉下來\n\n25\n00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:20,979\n是,跟委員說明\n\n26\n00:09:44,149 --> 00:10:01,486\n繼而紹最佳利益他是違法行為自殺是一個犯罪行為是違法行為可以要求也就是網路防護機構他政府授權給他可以通知網路業者要移除下架不移除下架有裁罰\n\n27\n00:10:02,287 --> 00:10:03,949\n法務部已同意升級伊托米子為二級毒品\n\n28\n00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:36,615\n那我看到了就是說我們警政署也行文給食藥署希望食藥署盡快研擬依托米子類毒價的這個尿液檢驗這個預值以利毒價的檢驗請問什麼時候可以訂出來\n\n29\n00:10:41,574 --> 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可以訂出來\n跟委員報告,我們正在做科學資料收集,希望在年底以前可以開會,可以有公式的結論。以上報告。好,儘快啦,因為這個東西不能拖。因為改為二級毒品之後,我又發現一個問題,就是對醫護人員有沒有影響。就是說因為它是平常是在醫院做麻醉藥品的使用。\n那會不會影響我們這個辦案人員的辦案,或者讓我們的醫護人員不小心就成了持有毒品的嫌犯?謝謝委員關心這個,這是我們一直很注意的事情。在很多的藥,其實在醫療上是非常重要的。對啊,很多政策下來它是一體兩面的。我想這個部分,我希望部長不理面。其實這個部分應該是不會去\n謝謝部長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.820 --> 00:25.647\n主席好,我們一樣請邱部長。部長好,我想請問一下,我們精神衛生法最新修正的部分將在12月14日來開始實行,那總共有21項的法規命令跟6項的行政規則,你們預定是不是今年就要修完?\n\n00:31.571 --> 00:58.693\n我們有其中15部的一個執法規我們總共有21部15部將在一樣在11、13年的12月14日上路所以現在進度全部好了嗎我們將以在預計以11月到12月以行政程序辦理發布事宜都已經程序沒有問題了那我看其中第5章預計要到明年下半年才會適用\n\n01:00.595 --> 01:12.449\n因為另外有6部你剛講全部好了嘛沒有沒有21部裡面只有15部另外6部要由行政院跟司法院訂定施行日期那誰是主責的機關這個部分說6部在6部的話\n\n01:20.754 --> 01:34.403\n有關於這個跟司法院相關的是有6部那其中主責司法院主責的有兩部那剩下4部的話是本部跟司法院要一起來訂的所以基本上這6部的\n\n01:36.344 --> 01:48.353\n因為牽扯到司法院我想部長部裡面這邊應該要跟司法院這邊來做好追蹤協調嘛不然你這個東西到時候實施了你有些又沒有跟上怎麼辦\n\n01:50.694 --> 02:06.906\n我看到修法這個前後差異比較大的是我們精神患者回歸跟強制住院裁法官保留原則嘛對不對這兩個部分那嚴重的病人是由法院裁定強制住院那司法院遴選法官部分有什麼特殊要求嗎\n\n02:09.472 --> 02:35.071\n還是什麼樣的法官都可以有關於這個法官的部分是由司法院這邊來訂定包含說在整個參審制裡面的這個參審的醫師跟參審的病權代表的相關的領選資格是由司法院來訂定的所以司法院來選擇就對了對好那我問你114年涉及司法院權責事項跟規定的部分要召開分區說明會我們預計要開幾場\n\n02:40.952 --> 02:58.008\n跟委員報告因為司法院因應我們這個新法要上路其實已經規劃了12次的模擬法庭的這個我上個月是開辦在臺北嘛臺北地院其實他是有6個指定法院所以每一個法院會輪兩次總共要開12場現在開了幾場\n\n03:02.574 --> 03:05.376\n我再請教我們心理衛生中心當初113年預估要有53處那10月底已經有52處了一個多月會達標嗎?\n\n03:21.448 --> 03:48.040\n那精神病有多元社區生活方案發展計畫112年一共合定25家113年合定38家那114年到現在為止我們有提出幾家申請跟委員報告因為我們現在正在公開徵求當中所以還不確定有幾家會投進來但是因為我們的經費有增加我們預估補助的加數也會增加\n\n03:49.871 --> 04:04.418\n我們針對未納入列管的經脹者肇事一再發生社會質疑資源沒有到位您認為針對精神障礙者的發現與照顧優化的資源有沒有到位?\n\n04:06.704 --> 04:27.381\n部長你認為勒?我們一直在檢討沒有到你說完全到位當然有包括硬體軟體的一個還有人才的訓練我看了一下就是說這個全民心理健康這個韌性計畫是說訪視人力要由2021年的183位逐年補食至2025的1001位使負荷比\n\n04:35.435 --> 04:36.475\n你什麼時候可以補助?\n\n05:06.331 --> 05:32.363\n什麼時候可以補足那個一千零一位一千零一位的話是明年明年我們預計就是要全部都能達到對我們期待可以達到那我看到四年前這個我們本院提倡這個立成立司法精神病院那後來只用司法精神病房替代原本說好要在全台設置480床那目前只有高雄凱旋醫院只有30床\n\n05:33.283 --> 05:49.661\n那所以我們5月從基隆某醫院介乎逃跑的那位思覺失調患者必須從基隆遠送高雄待執行那我請問衛福部為什麼司法精神病房其實沒有進度?到底遇到什麼困難?\n\n05:51.356 --> 06:06.966\n跟委員報告其實司法精神醫療資源的部件我們都一直持續在進行那我們現在的規劃是在北中南東都要設置一家那司法精神病房部分會有180床那另外還會有這個司法精神醫療保安處分處所\n\n06:12.609 --> 06:30.899\n我相信治療的追蹤目的都是希望我們患者能在穩定的情況下回歸社會但是我們也必須要承認是社會上的支持的系統還是需要努力的尤其是現在殺人犯都拿精神病來當擋箭牌我想這個部分\n\n06:33.280 --> 06:33.820\n國小自殺通報6年來飆升10倍\n\n06:59.148 --> 07:21.116\n111年14歲以下有19個孩子用自殺結束自己的生命那其中73.7%的個案自殺通報日就是死亡日這表示社會安全網沒有接觸這些孩子那14歲以下自殺的死亡人數110年大概有14人111年有19112年有24那我看到資料只有112年那113年現在有多少\n\n07:29.589 --> 07:43.468\n因為我們的這個自殺通報跟死亡的數據都是我們都有在做一些關切但是死亡的數據的話要到明年大概5月底6月才會有最終的數字出來\n\n07:44.945 --> 08:00.343\n市長,我這樣講,我不要把這個責任丟給教育部。我想這個強化精神疾病或是自殺防治的服務,衛福部都是主責機關。我希望由衛福部來主導這個事情,把這個\n\n08:02.722 --> 08:03.542\n衛福部可以要求我們速發部來封網嗎?\n\n08:25.204 --> 08:41.655\n有關於這個在媒體上面去做一些監測的這個事情的話其實我們也有在委託這個臺北市的電腦商業同業工會來幫我們去做一些這個偵測那另外就是說如果民眾發現這個跟抒發部沒有關係是嗎他們不負責查報就對了或者是你們查報了請他處理也沒辦法\n\n08:50.777 --> 09:19.060\n我們如果接到民眾的這個通報或是機關的通報你剛剛講你委託台北的那個什麼電腦公司啊台北的什麼?台北電腦商業同業公會他有權利去封網嗎?沒有,他只是說他只是通報而已啊所以我想說我們要有實際的作為啊不對嗎?其實這個我們衛福部很注重這個對啦注重我是說那到底是最後誰能夠解決這個事情能夠把這個東西拉下來\n\n09:20.759 --> 09:20.979\n是,跟委員說明\n\n09:44.149 --> 10:01.486\n繼而紹最佳利益他是違法行為自殺是一個犯罪行為是違法行為可以要求也就是網路防護機構他政府授權給他可以通知網路業者要移除下架不移除下架有裁罰\n\n10:02.287 --> 10:03.949\n法務部已同意升級伊托米子為二級毒品\n\n10:21.380 --> 10:36.615\n那我看到了就是說我們警政署也行文給食藥署希望食藥署盡快研擬依托米子類毒價的這個尿液檢驗這個預值以利毒價的檢驗請問什麼時候可以訂出來\n\n10:41.574 --> 11:03.070\n跟委員報告,我們正在做科學資料收集,希望在年底以前可以開會,可以有公式的結論。以上報告。好,儘快啦,因為這個東西不能拖。因為改為二級毒品之後,我又發現一個問題,就是對醫護人員有沒有影響。就是說因為它是平常是在醫院做麻醉藥品的使用。\n\n11:03.951 --> 11:24.858\n那會不會影響我們這個辦案人員的辦案,或者讓我們的醫護人員不小心就成了持有毒品的嫌犯?謝謝委員關心這個,這是我們一直很注意的事情。在很多的藥,其實在醫療上是非常重要的。對啊,很多政策下來它是一體兩面的。我想這個部分,我希望部長不理面。其實這個部分應該是不會去\n\n11:26.223 --> 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鎮軍：我看了一下，全民心理健康韌性計畫中，訪視人力要由2021年的183位逐年補實至2025年的1,001位，使負荷比自1比190降至1比35，但是去年就只有598位，請問今年關懷訪視的人員到底有多少？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：跟委員報告，我們對於關懷訪視員的進用是逐年補助到位，因為一下子給太多員額，其實地方政府也沒有辦法一下子聘那麼多。今年到目前為止，我們在社區關懷訪視員的部分……"],["邱委員鎮軍：不是，你什麼時候可以補足？什麼時候可以補足1,001位。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：1,001位的話是明年，明年我們預計就是要達到1,001位。"],["邱委員鎮軍：全部都能達到？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：對，我們期待可以達到。"],["邱委員鎮軍：4年前本院提倡成立司法精神病院，後來只用司法精神病房替代。原本說好要在全臺設置480床，目前只有高雄凱旋醫院有30床，所以5月從基隆某醫院戒護逃跑的那位思覺失調患者，必須從基隆遠送高雄代執行。我請問衛福部，為什麼司法精神病房遲遲沒有進度、到底遇到什麼困難？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：跟委員報告，其實司法精神醫療資源的布建我們都一直持續在進行。我們現在的規劃是在北、中、南、東，都要設置1家，司法精神病房的部分會有180床，另外還會有司法精神醫療保安處分處所是300床，所以合計是480床，這些床數我們都預估在明年年底可以做滿……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我這樣講，我相信治療追蹤目的都是希望患者能在穩定的情況下回歸社會，但我們也必須承認，社會上的支持系統還是需要努力。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：尤其現在殺人犯都拿精神病當擋箭牌，我想這個部分在社會大眾看來是非常反感的。此外，這麼多的配套措施我們遲遲沒有辦法到位，凸顯政府的速度確實要加快，請衛福部落實相關配套機制，讓社會安全網不再漏接，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：是。政府很重視，但是行政各單位一定要全力以赴。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我再請教，國小自殺通報6年來飆升10倍，111年14歲以下有19個孩子用自殺結束自己的生命，其中73.7%的個案自殺通報日就是死亡日，這表示社會安全網沒有接住這些孩子。而14歲以下自殺的死亡人數110年大概有14人、111年有19人、112年有24人，我看到資料只到112年，那現在113年有多少？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：自殺通報跟死亡的數據我們都有在做一些關切，但是死亡的數據的話，要到明年大概5月底、6月才會有最終的數字出來。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我這樣講，不要把這個責任丟給教育部，我想強化有關精神疾病或自殺防治的服務，衛福部都是主責機關，我希望由衛福部來主導這個事情，讓學生的自殺率降低。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：其實學生受網路的影響是非常大的，如果未來出現引誘、鼓勵自殺或自殘的網站或網頁，衛福部可以要求數發部去封網嗎？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：有關於在媒體上面做一些監測的這個事情的話，其實我們也有委託臺北市的電腦商業同業公會幫我們做一些偵測。另外，如果民眾發現也跟……"],["邱委員鎮軍：這個跟數發部沒有關係是嗎？他們不負責查報就對了？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：其實不是……"],["邱委員鎮軍：或者是你們查報了請它處理，也沒辦法？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：如果接到民眾的通報或是機關的通報，我們都會做處理。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你剛剛講你委託臺北的那個什麼電腦公司啊？臺北的什麼……"],["鄭代理司長淑心：臺北電腦商業同業公會。"],["邱委員鎮軍：它有權力去封網嗎？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：沒有，它只是幫我們……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啊！只是通報而已。所以我想我們要有實際的作為，不對嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：其實衛福部很注重這個。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啦！注重。我是說，那到底最後誰能夠解決這個事情，能夠把這個東西拉下來？"],["邱部長泰源：因為議題相當多，如果有些議題是不對的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我講的是不對的。"],["邱部長泰源：大概主責機關都會去跟網路平臺業者做溝通，一般……"],["邱委員鎮軍：只是做溝通啊？我們沒有辦法拿出一點強有力的作法嗎？"],["張司長秀鴛：跟委員說明，基於兒少法、兒少最佳利益，它是違法行為，自殺是一個犯罪行為。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對。"],["張司長秀鴛：是違法行為。iWIN網路內容防護機構，政府授權給它可以通知網路業者要移除下架，不移除下架有裁罰。"],["邱委員鎮軍：那就好，這個就是我要問的，我希望部長也要掌握這樣的資訊。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：在下達指令的時候才不會出現錯誤，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：最後一個，我們上次講到法務部已經同意升級依托咪酯為二級毒品。我看到警政署也行文給食藥署，希望食藥署儘快研擬依托咪酯類毒駕的尿液檢驗閾值，以利毒駕的檢驗，請問什麼時候可以訂出來？"],["邱部長泰源：食藥署來回答。"],["林副署長金富：跟委員報告，這個我們正在做科學資料蒐集，希望在年底以前可以開會、可以有共識的結論，以上報告。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，儘快，這個東西不能拖。因為改為二級毒品之後，我又發現一個問題，就是對醫護人員有沒有影響？因為他平常在醫院做麻醉藥品的使用，那會不會影響辦案人員的辦案，或者讓醫護人員不小心就成了持有毒品的嫌犯？"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員關心這個，這是我們一直很注意的事情，很多藥其實在醫療上是非常重要的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，很多政策下來，它是一體兩面，我希望部長，部裡面……"],["邱部長泰源：其實這個部分應該是不會影響到醫療的用途。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好啦！最好是這樣子，都能夠面面俱到，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：謝謝部長。"],["邱部長泰源：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席（涂委員權吉代）：謝謝邱鎮軍委員。我們請下一位蘇清泉委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":272,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-7","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","廖偉翔","邱鎮軍","涂權吉","王正旭","鍾佳濱","林國成","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","賴士葆","黃秀芳","陳雪生","王育敏","劉建國","牛煦庭","楊曜","陳瑩","黃國昌","盧縣一"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案1案；二、邀\n請衛生福利部部長針對「社區精神病患照護優化」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139301_00003"}}}