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00:02:12,402\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n8\n00:02:28,196 --> 00:02:37,843\n委員說我們是以官押民,這對我們來講實在是太沉重了。我們之所以採取司法的途徑,最主要就是要維護選舉機關的公正性,因為它是牽涉到國家社會重大的法益。\n\n9\n00:02:48,971 --> 00:02:51,814\n19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n10\n00:03:10,154 --> 00:03:12,417\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n\n11\n00:03:27,657 --> 00:03:28,017\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n12\n00:03:43,115 --> 00:03:44,817\n第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具\n\n13\n00:04:00,234 --> 00:04:03,637\n第三十條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n14\n00:04:20,592 --> 00:04:22,756\n全部一起還是量啊?這個部分我們覺得是說我們要審視審人的做事情才會不會影響到不管是人還是事誰決定\n\n15\n00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,801\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n16\n00:04:56,244 --> 00:05:02,270\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n17\n00:05:21,167 --> 00:05:27,649\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n18\n00:05:50,316 --> 00:05:54,300\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n19\n00:06:11,698 --> 00:06:18,107\n第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案\n\n20\n00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:28,060\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n21\n00:06:46,646 --> 00:07:05,707\n選務的宣導我們會再繼續努力努力要有方向要有目標不是每次在質詢都是努力努力要有結果有在做有在做每次選舉我們都有做選務的宣導再來就是說我們在電子連署已經拖到現在幾年了\n\n22\n00:07:07,114 --> 00:07:07,594\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n23\n00:07:22,706 --> 00:07:28,172\n對,沒有,但是已經在6年了嘛。所以我們希望說,像其他國家,美國、日本,連印尼,他們都是有電子的投票。但是我們台灣呢,我們都是跟世界講說我們AI最厲害,\n\n24\n00:07:39,785 --> 00:07:45,470\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n25\n00:08:04,272 --> 00:08:17,558\n不管是電子投票或其他方式的不在籍投票其實大院討論了很多也歷經很久的時間大家還有待進一步的凝聚共識這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題牽涉到各政黨各政治人物他們的考量的問題至少有一個共識選務人員的努力到最後是選務人員的心聲\n\n26\n00:08:31,764 --> 00:08:36,288\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。\n\n27\n00:09:01,907 --> 00:09:06,868\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n28\n00:09:27,526 --> 00:09:31,529\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n29\n00:09:55,167 --> 00:09:56,069\n第三十條條文修正草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n157\t3099\t第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員有請李主委。\n12469\t19091\t主委好選務問題本來就是我們民眾可以批評的事情可見就是我們監督公共議題中選會卻在2024年總統選舉的時候就是針對就是批評選務人員21名的提告\n34574\t42105\t最後還是全部不起訴。請問主委對於全部不起訴的結果是什麼看法?\n43543\t69069\t第一點當然對於法院司法機關的一個裁決我們是予以尊重但是對於這個個案做如此的一個決定我們也覺得非常的遺憾那我們最重要的一個遺憾點在什麼地方就是說每一個國民對於關係到國家社會重大法議的這種議題的時候應該要負更多的責任\n70029\t94360\t也就是說像選舉如此重大的一個民主的活動他牽涉到的是國家整個的根基你要對他批評不是說不行是可以的但是你要負比較高的責任要去做調查要去做了解然後去做適當的一個評論這樣才是公道的才是符合文明社會應該要有的態度\n96616\t106346\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n120040\t132402\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n148196\t157843\t委員說我們是以官押民,這對我們來講實在是太沉重了。我們之所以採取司法的途徑,最主要就是要維護選舉機關的公正性,因為它是牽涉到國家社會重大的法益。\n168971\t171814\t19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n190154\t192417\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n207657\t208017\t第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n223115\t224817\t第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具\n240234\t243637\t第三十條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n260592\t262756\t全部一起還是量啊?這個部分我們覺得是說我們要審視審人的做事情才會不會影響到不管是人還是事誰決定\n273920\t274801\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n296244\t302270\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n321167\t327649\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n350316\t354300\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n371698\t378107\t第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案\n386900\t388060\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n406646\t425707\t選務的宣導我們會再繼續努力努力要有方向要有目標不是每次在質詢都是努力努力要有結果有在做有在做每次選舉我們都有做選務的宣導再來就是說我們在電子連署已經拖到現在幾年了\n427114\t427594\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n442706\t448172\t對,沒有,但是已經在6年了嘛。所以我們希望說,像其他國家,美國、日本,連印尼,他們都是有電子的投票。但是我們台灣呢,我們都是跟世界講說我們AI最厲害,\n459785\t465470\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n484272\t497558\t不管是電子投票或其他方式的不在籍投票其實大院討論了很多也歷經很久的時間大家還有待進一步的凝聚共識這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題牽涉到各政黨各政治人物他們的考量的問題至少有一個共識選務人員的努力到最後是選務人員的心聲\n511764\t516288\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。\n541907\t546868\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n567526\t571529\t三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n595167\t596069\t第三十條條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員有請李主委。\n主委好選務問題本來就是我們民眾可以批評的事情可見就是我們監督公共議題中選會卻在2024年總統選舉的時候就是針對就是批評選務人員21名的提告\n最後還是全部不起訴。請問主委對於全部不起訴的結果是什麼看法?\n第一點當然對於法院司法機關的一個裁決我們是予以尊重但是對於這個個案做如此的一個決定我們也覺得非常的遺憾那我們最重要的一個遺憾點在什麼地方就是說每一個國民對於關係到國家社會重大法議的這種議題的時候應該要負更多的責任\n也就是說像選舉如此重大的一個民主的活動他牽涉到的是國家整個的根基你要對他批評不是說不行是可以的但是你要負比較高的責任要去做調查要去做了解然後去做適當的一個評論這樣才是公道的才是符合文明社會應該要有的態度\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n委員說我們是以官押民,這對我們來講實在是太沉重了。我們之所以採取司法的途徑,最主要就是要維護選舉機關的公正性,因為它是牽涉到國家社會重大的法益。\n19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具\n第三十條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n全部一起還是量啊?這個部分我們覺得是說我們要審視審人的做事情才會不會影響到不管是人還是事誰決定\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n選務的宣導我們會再繼續努力努力要有方向要有目標不是每次在質詢都是努力努力要有結果有在做有在做每次選舉我們都有做選務的宣導再來就是說我們在電子連署已經拖到現在幾年了\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n對,沒有,但是已經在6年了嘛。所以我們希望說,像其他國家,美國、日本,連印尼,他們都是有電子的投票。但是我們台灣呢,我們都是跟世界講說我們AI最厲害,\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n不管是電子投票或其他方式的不在籍投票其實大院討論了很多也歷經很久的時間大家還有待進一步的凝聚共識這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題牽涉到各政黨各政治人物他們的考量的問題至少有一個共識選務人員的努力到最後是選務人員的心聲\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n第三十條條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.157 --> 00:03.099\n第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員有請李主委。\n\n00:12.469 --> 00:19.091\n主委好選務問題本來就是我們民眾可以批評的事情可見就是我們監督公共議題中選會卻在2024年總統選舉的時候就是針對就是批評選務人員21名的提告\n\n00:34.574 --> 00:42.105\n最後還是全部不起訴。請問主委對於全部不起訴的結果是什麼看法?\n\n00:43.543 --> 01:09.069\n第一點當然對於法院司法機關的一個裁決我們是予以尊重但是對於這個個案做如此的一個決定我們也覺得非常的遺憾那我們最重要的一個遺憾點在什麼地方就是說每一個國民對於關係到國家社會重大法議的這種議題的時候應該要負更多的責任\n\n01:10.029 --> 01:34.360\n也就是說像選舉如此重大的一個民主的活動他牽涉到的是國家整個的根基你要對他批評不是說不行是可以的但是你要負比較高的責任要去做調查要去做了解然後去做適當的一個評論這樣才是公道的才是符合文明社會應該要有的態度\n\n01:36.616 --> 01:46.346\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n02:00.040 --> 02:12.402\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n02:28.196 --> 02:37.843\n委員說我們是以官押民,這對我們來講實在是太沉重了。我們之所以採取司法的途徑,最主要就是要維護選舉機關的公正性,因為它是牽涉到國家社會重大的法益。\n\n02:48.971 --> 02:51.814\n19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n03:10.154 --> 03:12.417\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n\n03:27.657 --> 03:28.017\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n03:43.115 --> 03:44.817\n第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具\n\n04:00.234 --> 04:03.637\n第三十條條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n04:20.592 --> 04:22.756\n全部一起還是量啊?這個部分我們覺得是說我們要審視審人的做事情才會不會影響到不管是人還是事誰決定\n\n04:33.920 --> 04:34.801\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n04:56.244 --> 05:02.270\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n05:21.167 --> 05:27.649\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n05:50.316 --> 05:54.300\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n06:11.698 --> 06:18.107\n第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案\n\n06:26.900 --> 06:28.060\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n06:46.646 --> 07:05.707\n選務的宣導我們會再繼續努力努力要有方向要有目標不是每次在質詢都是努力努力要有結果有在做有在做每次選舉我們都有做選務的宣導再來就是說我們在電子連署已經拖到現在幾年了\n\n07:07.114 --> 07:07.594\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n07:22.706 --> 07:28.172\n對,沒有,但是已經在6年了嘛。所以我們希望說,像其他國家,美國、日本,連印尼,他們都是有電子的投票。但是我們台灣呢,我們都是跟世界講說我們AI最厲害,\n\n07:39.785 --> 07:45.470\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n08:04.272 --> 08:17.558\n不管是電子投票或其他方式的不在籍投票其實大院討論了很多也歷經很久的時間大家還有待進一步的凝聚共識這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題牽涉到各政黨各政治人物他們的考量的問題至少有一個共識選務人員的努力到最後是選務人員的心聲\n\n08:31.764 --> 08:36.288\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法案》案。\n\n09:01.907 --> 09:06.868\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n09:27.526 --> 09:31.529\n三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n09:55.167 --> 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如果沒有關係的話，為什麼順序會亂呢？為什麼公投綁大選的順序會讓大家覺得要排隊呢？如果這件事情到現在還沒有解決的方式，就表示你都沒有去做改進，也沒有做檢討，也沒有要怎麼樣去……"],["李主任委員進勇：我剛剛可能沒有說得很完整，讓委員可以清楚地瞭解，是不是現在可以讓我再說明一下？"],["麥委員玉珍：好。"],["李主任委員進勇：我主要的說明之點在於，我們如果有多案的公投票，而且把它列在一張的話，因為我們是採取人工開票的方式，人工開票我們就必須當場把這個票亮給大家看……"],["麥委員玉珍：一張票、一個案就不用亮嗎？"],["李主任委員進勇：要、要、要。"],["麥委員玉珍：要嘛！一樣啦！同樣……"],["李主任委員進勇：那不會發生混亂、那不會發生混亂。"],["麥委員玉珍：同樣一起亮是省很多事情啦！"],["李主任委員進勇：但是不會發生混亂啊！"],["麥委員玉珍：所以也增加很多選務人員的工作嘛！對不對？"],["李主任委員進勇：但是一張票如果有十幾個案子，到底是在亮哪一個案子都不知道……"],["麥委員玉珍：十幾個案子就亮十幾次，一個案子一張就亮一次……"],["李主任委員進勇：所以這樣就會亂掉。"],["麥委員玉珍：怎麼亂？是怎麼亂？是中選會你們工作的亂，不是我們選民的亂……"],["李主任委員進勇：我再一個報告……"],["麥委員玉珍：但是你每一張一個案，就變成選民的亂，到最後沒有結果……"],["李主任委員進勇：不對啦！不對啦！不是這樣子，委員，你要讓我講……"],["麥委員玉珍：怎麼不對？我講得對，你做到現在竟然說不對！"],["李主任委員進勇：你要讓我說明一下嘛！我剛剛有提到外國的立法例，在澳洲……"],["麥委員玉珍：好，這個部分你們去研議看看要怎麼做。","目前我們是要讓年輕人出來投票，但是歷年來的投票率卻越來越低，我們的年輕人沒有出來投票，不管是地區因素、交通因素還是工作的關係，投票率為什麼越來越低？這個部分是要去檢討的。要如何讓更多年輕人出來投票？這才是……"],["李主任委員進勇：選務的宣導我們會繼續努力，我們有在做……"],["麥委員玉珍：努力要有方向、要有目標，不是每次質詢，你們都說努力，但是努力要有結果才算努力。"],["李主任委員進勇：有在做、有在做，每次選舉我們都有做選務的宣導。"],["麥委員玉珍：再來就是電子連署拖到現在已經幾年了？"],["李主任委員進勇：今年已經上線了，公投的部分已經上線了。"],["麥委員玉珍：拖了6年才上線，但是還沒有實施，對不對？"],["李主任委員進勇：有、有、有。"],["麥委員玉珍：所以也還沒有看到結果！"],["李主任委員進勇：還沒有成案進行連署。"],["麥委員玉珍：對，沒有，但是到現在已經6年了嘛！其他國家像美國、日本，連印尼都有電子投票，我們臺灣都跟世界講說我們AI最厲害、我們的半導體最厲害，電子投票可以節省人力和選務人員的壓力，為什麼我們沒有要採行？公民投票和大選也可以採用電子投票，讓全國都有這個參與的權利啊！"],["李主任委員進勇：不管是電子投票或是其他方式的不在籍投票，其實大院討論了很多，也歷經很久的時間，大家還有待進一步凝聚共識，這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題，還牽涉到各政黨、各政治人物他們的考量。至少有一個共識，就是……"],["麥委員玉珍：但是你都強調選務人員的辛苦、選務人員的努力，到最後是選務人員的心聲，所以我們希望……"],["李主任委員進勇：不在籍投票的部分……"],["麥委員玉珍：我們希望民眾的聲音要讓你聽一聽，我們民眾要便利，還有，現在是AI或者是半導體的時代，現在是電子的時代……"],["李主任委員進勇：這個也要讓中選會說明一下，這不只是我們選務機關的問題，也同時是政黨的問題、是政治人物的問題、是社會大眾的問題……"],["麥委員玉珍：沒錯，但是你反映的問題就是你們對選務工作的努力還有你們的需求，而我們講的是民眾的需求，希望選務人員和你這邊設法去改善，也減少選務人員的壓力和他們的工作……"],["李主任委員進勇：公投的不在籍投票法已經送到大院來了，我們希望這個不在籍投票法能夠儘速進行審議的程序。"],["麥委員玉珍：是，我們是支持，所以我們今天才站在這裡……"],["李主任委員進勇：那就拜託委員！"],["麥委員玉珍：希望電子投票不管是公投還是大選、綁大選，我們覺得這個是最好、最快、最有效率，可以讓更多民眾一起參與，不用請假那麼多次，浪費那麼多時間，也不用浪費選務人員的時間。一起投，這樣最有效！謝謝！"],["李主任委員進勇：我們第一步先跨出去，請委員能夠多多支持，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。現在休息5分鐘。","休息（10時41分）","繼續開會（10時48分）"],["主席：現在繼續開會。接下來請張宏陸召委。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-7","speakers":["徐欣瑩","羅智強","麥玉珍","賴士葆","張宏陸","李柏毅","鍾佳濱","牛煦庭","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","黃建賓","吳琪銘","丁學忠","楊瓊瓔","黃國昌","翁曉玲","高金素梅"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬\n具「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公民投票法部分\n條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員羅智強等 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