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00:00:06,601\n謝謝各位我們請陳部長還有周署長、觀光署周署長\n\n2\n00:00:13,117 --> 00:00:34,419\n部長好今天短短的時間但是我三個問題所以我們就趕快請你要盡速的來回應我來幫忙我第一個霧峰納入33國家風景處那我們從110年提案在這個過程我跟林靜儀委員還有其他在地的委員議員大家一起在\n\n3\n00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:53,899\n推動也開了好幾次會也帶著我們交通委員會去考察過前部長承諾行政院也支持所以在10月底上個禮拜史哲政委已經有簽合接下來我想請教一下公告時間\n\n4\n00:00:55,476 --> 00:01:23,256\n報告委員目前那個政委那邊也已經簽合那目前是在國發會那這個部分我們回去催促我們希望在今年今年底之前看可不可以趕快來公布這件事我希望是這個月這個月好我們來努力這個月我們來努力這個月所以國發會那邊行政院那邊我也會再幫忙也希望部長這邊能夠多積極然後呢一旦到我們交通部觀光署也請署長馬上好不好\n\n5\n00:01:23,556 --> 00:01:31,440\n這個我們一定加速沒有問題對對因為霧峰這個核心群納入我覺得是對我們屯區的這個觀光是有帶動的效果而且我們的民主義正園區也在那裡霧峰林家花園、光復新村這個就如同剛剛部長在回答其他委員臺中有很多很多的亮點是可以打動國際遊客進來臺灣觀光的那這個必須要有什麼觀光品牌\n\n6\n00:01:49,850 --> 00:02:17,772\n那我們物風是一個觀光品牌是一個值得政府大量資源投入來支持的一個品牌屯區需要你支持好不好這個我們一定會納入對所以呢那接下來就有兩個問題要拜託部長第一個因為呢如果改在11月我們可以公告的話那明年度的預算我們來不及編列第一個那我們啊如果要即刻的啟動的話一年大概2000萬的管理維護\n\n7\n00:02:18,673 --> 00:02:44,177\n的費用是不是可以請部長支持那第二個專案的籌設霧峰遊客中心那我們的可行性研究是不是也可以先上路好這個部分我們可以先來走沒有問題我們未來會有一個站然後四個同仁會在那個地方那這個部分我們的原額已經先想辦法控出來了那委員在講的這個預算我們當然也會支持但是我們讓觀光署這邊來調配來調配好那是不是可以同步\n\n8\n00:02:44,617 --> 00:03:03,525\n在現在準備公告之前同步來趕快把前置作業先做好我們年度預算如果有過的話年度預算過了我們就馬上把前置作業我們請所有在野的委員支持這是為了台中地方也為了中部地區大家共同來支持總預算那請部長也支持署長一定要承諾做到第二個問題我們來署長請回我們請高鐵\n\n9\n00:03:09,687 --> 00:03:24,321\n高鐵我們今天在談觀光談觀光不管是國際旅客來台灣或者是國人、國旅的觀光這個軌道運輸是最重要的大眾運輸系統那除了台鐵就是高鐵\n\n10\n00:03:25,021 --> 00:03:38,040\n高鐵我現在看到不管是我們這個產業的商務課或者是國際的觀光課甚至我們自己國人的這個使用率越來越高尤其我上次跟董事長總經理都提過我們的高鐵的台中\n\n11\n00:03:41,845 --> 00:04:08,236\n這個運量是非常大的我這樣每天上上下下我看到我們的行李放置的區域真的嚴重不足過去高鐵跟我說2021年我們已經有處理過一次有增設了這個行李放置區從45個增加到61個雖然我畫了一個問號我存疑現在高鐵的每一個列車有到61個行李存放的空間嗎\n\n12\n00:04:10,069 --> 00:04:27,877\n就我個人看大家可以上高鐵列車看看也可以問國人旅客看看目前一列的高鐵列車你說它的行李放置區可以放到61個不可能啦我不知道你這是怎麼算的啦我也不知道2021那時候是如何改裝的\n\n13\n00:04:29,297 --> 00:04:51,757\n現在就是嚴重的不足嘛不管是大行李我還看到什麼嬰幼兒車這個非常不友善我們年輕家庭要搭高鐵嬰幼兒車第一個沒有空間放那行人的通道被擋那所以旅客的權也受到影響寵物車也沒有地方放欸到目前為止還是沒有辦法解決啊來\n\n14\n00:04:53,198 --> 00:05:02,366\n報告委員我們上個禮拜陳彥博次長有特別為了這件事召開一次協調的會議那台鐵也有提出來一個具體的改變的方案是不是我請總經理來是\n\n15\n00:05:07,591 --> 00:05:29,171\n我先跟委員好謝謝您的指導那我先回答你剛才那個部長講的那個方案我們現在是最現有的車輛的部分的話我們打算在有15區一個列車裡面有15區做成兩層那每一層的話大概可以增加三個28吋的這個行李廂所以就多增45個換句話說從現在的61個就會增加15個加大概70\n\n16\n00:05:33,055 --> 00:05:57,653\n董事長我跟你講現在沒有61個啦你再回去算我會跟著你來算現在的列車哪裡可以放到61個的大型行李我跟委員報告齁這個61個是這樣啦我們原來就有45個那後來我們把這個一組車12節裡面有4節齁車廂我們拆掉椅子然後放成一個多一個行李區一個行李區我們可以放4個那4個的話就是1、2、3、4那\n\n17\n00:06:02,737 --> 00:06:15,017\n所以是多了16個這是你的想像跟你們的預估啦覺得說可以放到61個啦但是你現場去看放不到61個啦而且最重要的是什麼我們的嬰幼兒車、寵物車\n\n18\n00:06:17,921 --> 00:06:35,551\n你完全沒有友善空間可以讓它放置所以我建議大家互相參考因為我們是找到問題要解決問題嘛我們國內外很多的列車也配置雙層層架那甚至立體化而且重新盤點你們車廂內的空間有一些閒置空間沒你使用的你可以改裝嘛\n\n19\n00:06:45,470 --> 00:07:04,519\n對不對我自己時常搭乘裡面有電話亭我也覺得電話亭對嘛你跟部長自己就講啦電話亭是受自殺幹什麼你這個照片所提醒的剛好現在要改善的方案也是讓它立體化啦變成兩層三層這樣可以使用是是是是委員報告我們就是朝這個方向在做那能夠應用的空間我們盡量用\n\n20\n00:07:05,219 --> 00:07:10,143\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n21\n00:07:24,654 --> 00:07:51,288\n拉行李下來還要好拉不然你把高處拉行李有些女孩子女性甚至媽媽她是勾不到的或者是她是力氣不夠大的所以這個我覺得都要從人為本的思考點去思考如何讓這個行李的一個空間立體化、安全、好使用我覺得還包括當年你講的列車的結構安全問題嘛所以來最後那改善的期程呢\n\n22\n00:07:52,881 --> 00:07:56,446\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n23\n00:08:11,366 --> 00:08:32,467\n做完的期程給我一份書面報告好不好那你們未來2026要交車陸續交車的新世代列車一定要先把這個考量行李空間的考量要納入你的設計好不好還來得及做的要做好不好已經納入這個規劃設計而且呢這個新的行李廂的容量比現在多一倍以上\n\n24\n00:08:33,291 --> 00:08:53,723\n一倍以上你還要預估喔旅客人數像剛剛我們部長承諾的喔未來的國際旅客要達到一千萬次以上喔你要先預估這個人流啊那個量你要量體要能夠預估啊你不要到時候兩年後我又來問你說阿為什麼行李又放不下了\n\n25\n00:08:54,423 --> 00:09:20,270\n好不好最後30秒我們部長來自臺中兩件事臺中的空港我們需要開發更多的國際航線東北亞、東南亞都是重點部長你承諾過的民航局局長也希望跟各國內或是非國應該說國內的航空公司跟國際非國籍的航空公司大家一起來努力嘛國籍跟外國籍一起努力\n\n26\n00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:42,190\n是我覺得臺中機場空港真的需要部長大力支持那接著就是海港臺中的海港郵輪我們呢之前都掛鈴終於今年年底聽說要破蛋有一艘郵輪要進來我們希望交通部主動跟地方政府好好的把這一個第一個臺中港的郵輪\n\n27\n00:09:43,671 --> 00:10:02,403\n12月18號的這一艘郵輪靠港所有的該準備的項目所有該開發的這個地方的旅遊套裝行程所有該配合的我們是把它準備好我們希望未來能夠有更多的郵輪可以來停靠台中港好不好好政府會跟地方政府來溝通好再拜託我們主動謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2874\t6601\t謝謝各位 我們請陳部長還有周署長、觀光署周署長\n13117\t34419\t部長好今天短短的時間但是我三個問題所以我們就趕快請你要盡速的來回應我來幫忙我第一個霧峰納入33國家風景處那我們從110年提案在這個過程我跟林靜儀委員還有其他在地的委員議員大家一起在\n35160\t53899\t推動也開了好幾次會也帶著我們交通委員會去考察過前部長承諾行政院也支持所以在10月底上個禮拜史哲政委已經有簽合接下來我想請教一下公告時間\n55476\t83256\t報告委員目前那個政委那邊也已經簽合那目前是在國發會那這個部分我們回去催促我們希望在今年今年底之前看可不可以趕快來公布這件事我希望是這個月這個月好我們來努力這個月我們來努力這個月所以國發會那邊行政院那邊我也會再幫忙也希望部長這邊能夠多積極然後呢一旦到我們交通部觀光署也請署長馬上好不好\n83556\t91440\t這個我們一定加速沒有問題對對因為霧峰這個核心群納入我覺得是對我們屯區的這個觀光是有帶動的效果而且我們的民主義正園區也在那裡霧峰林家花園、光復新村這個就如同剛剛部長在回答其他委員臺中有很多很多的亮點是可以打動國際遊客進來臺灣觀光的那這個必須要有什麼觀光品牌\n109850\t137772\t那我們物風是一個觀光品牌是一個值得政府大量資源投入來支持的一個品牌屯區需要你支持好不好這個我們一定會納入對所以呢那接下來就有兩個問題要拜託部長第一個因為呢如果改在11月我們可以公告的話那明年度的預算我們來不及編列第一個那我們啊如果要即刻的啟動的話一年大概2000萬的管理維護\n138673\t164177\t的費用是不是可以請部長支持那第二個專案的籌設霧峰遊客中心那我們的可行性研究是不是也可以先上路好這個部分我們可以先來走沒有問題我們未來會有一個站然後四個同仁會在那個地方那這個部分我們的原額已經先想辦法控出來了那委員在講的這個預算我們當然也會支持但是我們讓觀光署這邊來調配來調配好那是不是可以同步\n164617\t183525\t在現在準備公告之前同步來趕快把前置作業先做好我們年度預算如果有過的話年度預算過了我們就馬上把前置作業我們請所有在野的委員支持這是為了台中地方也為了中部地區大家共同來支持總預算那請部長也支持署長一定要承諾做到第二個問題我們來署長請回我們請高鐵\n189687\t204321\t高鐵我們今天在談觀光談觀光不管是國際旅客來台灣或者是國人、國旅的觀光這個軌道運輸是最重要的大眾運輸系統那除了台鐵就是高鐵\n205021\t218040\t高鐵我現在看到不管是我們這個產業的商務課或者是國際的觀光課甚至我們自己國人的這個使用率越來越高尤其我上次跟董事長總經理都提過我們的高鐵的台中\n221845\t248236\t這個運量是非常大的我這樣每天上上下下我看到我們的行李放置的區域真的嚴重不足過去高鐵跟我說2021年我們已經有處理過一次有增設了這個行李放置區從45個增加到61個雖然我畫了一個問號我存疑現在高鐵的每一個列車有到61個行李存放的空間嗎\n250069\t267877\t就我個人看大家可以上高鐵列車看看也可以問國人旅客看看目前一列的高鐵列車你說它的行李放置區可以放到61個不可能啦我不知道你這是怎麼算的啦我也不知道2021那時候是如何改裝的\n269297\t291757\t現在就是嚴重的不足嘛不管是大行李我還看到什麼嬰幼兒車這個非常不友善我們年輕家庭要搭高鐵嬰幼兒車第一個沒有空間放那行人的通道被擋那所以旅客的權也受到影響寵物車也沒有地方放欸到目前為止還是沒有辦法解決啊來\n293198\t302366\t報告委員我們上個禮拜陳彥博次長有特別為了這件事召開一次協調的會議那台鐵也有提出來一個具體的改變的方案是不是我請總經理來是\n307591\t329171\t我先跟委員好謝謝您的指導那我先回答你剛才那個部長講的那個方案我們現在是最現有的車輛的部分的話我們打算在有15區一個列車裡面有15區做成兩層那每一層的話大概可以增加三個28吋的這個行李廂所以就多增45個換句話說從現在的61個就會增加15個加大概70\n333055\t357653\t董事長我跟你講現在沒有61個啦你再回去算我會跟著你來算現在的列車哪裡可以放到61個的大型行李我跟委員報告齁這個61個是這樣啦我們原來就有45個那後來我們把這個一組車12節裡面有4節齁車廂我們拆掉椅子然後放成一個多一個行李區一個行李區我們可以放4個那4個的話就是1、2、3、4那\n362737\t375017\t所以是多了16個這是你的想像跟你們的預估啦覺得說可以放到61個啦但是你現場去看放不到61個啦而且最重要的是什麼我們的嬰幼兒車、寵物車\n377921\t395551\t你完全沒有友善空間可以讓它放置所以我建議大家互相參考因為我們是找到問題要解決問題嘛我們國內外很多的列車也配置雙層層架那甚至立體化而且重新盤點你們車廂內的空間有一些閒置空間沒你使用的你可以改裝嘛\n405470\t424519\t對不對我自己時常搭乘 裡面有電話亭我也覺得電話亭對嘛 你跟部長自己就講啦電話亭是受自殺幹什麼你這個照片所提醒的剛好現在要改善的方案也是讓它立體化啦變成兩層三層這樣可以使用是是是是委員報告我們就是朝這個方向在做那能夠應用的空間我們盡量用\n425219\t430143\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n444654\t471288\t拉行李下來還要好拉不然你把高處拉行李有些女孩子女性甚至媽媽她是勾不到的或者是她是力氣不夠大的所以這個我覺得都要從人為本的思考點去思考如何讓這個行李的一個空間立體化、安全、好使用我覺得還包括當年你講的列車的結構安全問題嘛所以來最後那改善的期程呢\n472881\t476446\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n491366\t512467\t做完的期程給我一份書面報告好不好那你們未來2026要交車陸續交車的新世代列車一定要先把這個考量行李空間的考量要納入你的設計好不好還來得及做的要做好不好已經納入這個規劃設計而且呢這個新的行李廂的容量比現在多一倍以上\n513291\t533723\t一倍以上你還要預估喔旅客人數像剛剛我們部長承諾的喔未來的國際旅客要達到一千萬次以上喔你要先預估這個人流啊那個量你要量體要能夠預估啊你不要到時候兩年後我又來問你說阿為什麼行李又放不下了\n534423\t560270\t好不好最後30秒我們部長來自臺中兩件事臺中的空港我們需要開發更多的國際航線東北亞、東南亞都是重點部長你承諾過的民航局局長也希望跟各國內或是非國應該說國內的航空公司跟國際非國籍的航空公司大家一起來努力嘛國籍跟外國籍一起努力\n561310\t582190\t是我覺得臺中機場空港真的需要部長大力支持那接著就是海港臺中的海港郵輪我們呢之前都掛鈴終於今年年底聽說要破蛋有一艘郵輪要進來我們希望交通部主動跟地方政府好好的把這一個第一個臺中港的郵輪\n583671\t602403\t12月18號的這一艘郵輪靠港所有的該準備的項目所有該開發的這個地方的旅遊套裝行程所有該配合的我們是把它準備好我們希望未來能夠有更多的郵輪可以來停靠台中港好不好好 政府會跟地方政府來溝通好 再拜託我們主動謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝各位 我們請陳部長還有周署長、觀光署周署長\n部長好今天短短的時間但是我三個問題所以我們就趕快請你要盡速的來回應我來幫忙我第一個霧峰納入33國家風景處那我們從110年提案在這個過程我跟林靜儀委員還有其他在地的委員議員大家一起在\n推動也開了好幾次會也帶著我們交通委員會去考察過前部長承諾行政院也支持所以在10月底上個禮拜史哲政委已經有簽合接下來我想請教一下公告時間\n報告委員目前那個政委那邊也已經簽合那目前是在國發會那這個部分我們回去催促我們希望在今年今年底之前看可不可以趕快來公布這件事我希望是這個月這個月好我們來努力這個月我們來努力這個月所以國發會那邊行政院那邊我也會再幫忙也希望部長這邊能夠多積極然後呢一旦到我們交通部觀光署也請署長馬上好不好\n這個我們一定加速沒有問題對對因為霧峰這個核心群納入我覺得是對我們屯區的這個觀光是有帶動的效果而且我們的民主義正園區也在那裡霧峰林家花園、光復新村這個就如同剛剛部長在回答其他委員臺中有很多很多的亮點是可以打動國際遊客進來臺灣觀光的那這個必須要有什麼觀光品牌\n那我們物風是一個觀光品牌是一個值得政府大量資源投入來支持的一個品牌屯區需要你支持好不好這個我們一定會納入對所以呢那接下來就有兩個問題要拜託部長第一個因為呢如果改在11月我們可以公告的話那明年度的預算我們來不及編列第一個那我們啊如果要即刻的啟動的話一年大概2000萬的管理維護\n的費用是不是可以請部長支持那第二個專案的籌設霧峰遊客中心那我們的可行性研究是不是也可以先上路好這個部分我們可以先來走沒有問題我們未來會有一個站然後四個同仁會在那個地方那這個部分我們的原額已經先想辦法控出來了那委員在講的這個預算我們當然也會支持但是我們讓觀光署這邊來調配來調配好那是不是可以同步\n在現在準備公告之前同步來趕快把前置作業先做好我們年度預算如果有過的話年度預算過了我們就馬上把前置作業我們請所有在野的委員支持這是為了台中地方也為了中部地區大家共同來支持總預算那請部長也支持署長一定要承諾做到第二個問題我們來署長請回我們請高鐵\n高鐵我們今天在談觀光談觀光不管是國際旅客來台灣或者是國人、國旅的觀光這個軌道運輸是最重要的大眾運輸系統那除了台鐵就是高鐵\n高鐵我現在看到不管是我們這個產業的商務課或者是國際的觀光課甚至我們自己國人的這個使用率越來越高尤其我上次跟董事長總經理都提過我們的高鐵的台中\n這個運量是非常大的我這樣每天上上下下我看到我們的行李放置的區域真的嚴重不足過去高鐵跟我說2021年我們已經有處理過一次有增設了這個行李放置區從45個增加到61個雖然我畫了一個問號我存疑現在高鐵的每一個列車有到61個行李存放的空間嗎\n就我個人看大家可以上高鐵列車看看也可以問國人旅客看看目前一列的高鐵列車你說它的行李放置區可以放到61個不可能啦我不知道你這是怎麼算的啦我也不知道2021那時候是如何改裝的\n現在就是嚴重的不足嘛不管是大行李我還看到什麼嬰幼兒車這個非常不友善我們年輕家庭要搭高鐵嬰幼兒車第一個沒有空間放那行人的通道被擋那所以旅客的權也受到影響寵物車也沒有地方放欸到目前為止還是沒有辦法解決啊來\n報告委員我們上個禮拜陳彥博次長有特別為了這件事召開一次協調的會議那台鐵也有提出來一個具體的改變的方案是不是我請總經理來是\n我先跟委員好謝謝您的指導那我先回答你剛才那個部長講的那個方案我們現在是最現有的車輛的部分的話我們打算在有15區一個列車裡面有15區做成兩層那每一層的話大概可以增加三個28吋的這個行李廂所以就多增45個換句話說從現在的61個就會增加15個加大概70\n董事長我跟你講現在沒有61個啦你再回去算我會跟著你來算現在的列車哪裡可以放到61個的大型行李我跟委員報告齁這個61個是這樣啦我們原來就有45個那後來我們把這個一組車12節裡面有4節齁車廂我們拆掉椅子然後放成一個多一個行李區一個行李區我們可以放4個那4個的話就是1、2、3、4那\n所以是多了16個這是你的想像跟你們的預估啦覺得說可以放到61個啦但是你現場去看放不到61個啦而且最重要的是什麼我們的嬰幼兒車、寵物車\n你完全沒有友善空間可以讓它放置所以我建議大家互相參考因為我們是找到問題要解決問題嘛我們國內外很多的列車也配置雙層層架那甚至立體化而且重新盤點你們車廂內的空間有一些閒置空間沒你使用的你可以改裝嘛\n對不對我自己時常搭乘 裡面有電話亭我也覺得電話亭對嘛 你跟部長自己就講啦電話亭是受自殺幹什麼你這個照片所提醒的剛好現在要改善的方案也是讓它立體化啦變成兩層三層這樣可以使用是是是是委員報告我們就是朝這個方向在做那能夠應用的空間我們盡量用\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n拉行李下來還要好拉不然你把高處拉行李有些女孩子女性甚至媽媽她是勾不到的或者是她是力氣不夠大的所以這個我覺得都要從人為本的思考點去思考如何讓這個行李的一個空間立體化、安全、好使用我覺得還包括當年你講的列車的結構安全問題嘛所以來最後那改善的期程呢\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n做完的期程給我一份書面報告好不好那你們未來2026要交車陸續交車的新世代列車一定要先把這個考量行李空間的考量要納入你的設計好不好還來得及做的要做好不好已經納入這個規劃設計而且呢這個新的行李廂的容量比現在多一倍以上\n一倍以上你還要預估喔旅客人數像剛剛我們部長承諾的喔未來的國際旅客要達到一千萬次以上喔你要先預估這個人流啊那個量你要量體要能夠預估啊你不要到時候兩年後我又來問你說阿為什麼行李又放不下了\n好不好最後30秒我們部長來自臺中兩件事臺中的空港我們需要開發更多的國際航線東北亞、東南亞都是重點部長你承諾過的民航局局長也希望跟各國內或是非國應該說國內的航空公司跟國際非國籍的航空公司大家一起來努力嘛國籍跟外國籍一起努力\n是我覺得臺中機場空港真的需要部長大力支持那接著就是海港臺中的海港郵輪我們呢之前都掛鈴終於今年年底聽說要破蛋有一艘郵輪要進來我們希望交通部主動跟地方政府好好的把這一個第一個臺中港的郵輪\n12月18號的這一艘郵輪靠港所有的該準備的項目所有該開發的這個地方的旅遊套裝行程所有該配合的我們是把它準備好我們希望未來能夠有更多的郵輪可以來停靠台中港好不好好 政府會跟地方政府來溝通好 再拜託我們主動謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.874 --> 00:06.601\n謝謝各位我們請陳部長還有周署長、觀光署周署長\n\n00:13.117 --> 00:34.419\n部長好今天短短的時間但是我三個問題所以我們就趕快請你要盡速的來回應我來幫忙我第一個霧峰納入33國家風景處那我們從110年提案在這個過程我跟林靜儀委員還有其他在地的委員議員大家一起在\n\n00:35.160 --> 00:53.899\n推動也開了好幾次會也帶著我們交通委員會去考察過前部長承諾行政院也支持所以在10月底上個禮拜史哲政委已經有簽合接下來我想請教一下公告時間\n\n00:55.476 --> 01:23.256\n報告委員目前那個政委那邊也已經簽合那目前是在國發會那這個部分我們回去催促我們希望在今年今年底之前看可不可以趕快來公布這件事我希望是這個月這個月好我們來努力這個月我們來努力這個月所以國發會那邊行政院那邊我也會再幫忙也希望部長這邊能夠多積極然後呢一旦到我們交通部觀光署也請署長馬上好不好\n\n01:23.556 --> 01:31.440\n這個我們一定加速沒有問題對對因為霧峰這個核心群納入我覺得是對我們屯區的這個觀光是有帶動的效果而且我們的民主義正園區也在那裡霧峰林家花園、光復新村這個就如同剛剛部長在回答其他委員臺中有很多很多的亮點是可以打動國際遊客進來臺灣觀光的那這個必須要有什麼觀光品牌\n\n01:49.850 --> 02:17.772\n那我們物風是一個觀光品牌是一個值得政府大量資源投入來支持的一個品牌屯區需要你支持好不好這個我們一定會納入對所以呢那接下來就有兩個問題要拜託部長第一個因為呢如果改在11月我們可以公告的話那明年度的預算我們來不及編列第一個那我們啊如果要即刻的啟動的話一年大概2000萬的管理維護\n\n02:18.673 --> 02:44.177\n的費用是不是可以請部長支持那第二個專案的籌設霧峰遊客中心那我們的可行性研究是不是也可以先上路好這個部分我們可以先來走沒有問題我們未來會有一個站然後四個同仁會在那個地方那這個部分我們的原額已經先想辦法控出來了那委員在講的這個預算我們當然也會支持但是我們讓觀光署這邊來調配來調配好那是不是可以同步\n\n02:44.617 --> 03:03.525\n在現在準備公告之前同步來趕快把前置作業先做好我們年度預算如果有過的話年度預算過了我們就馬上把前置作業我們請所有在野的委員支持這是為了台中地方也為了中部地區大家共同來支持總預算那請部長也支持署長一定要承諾做到第二個問題我們來署長請回我們請高鐵\n\n03:09.687 --> 03:24.321\n高鐵我們今天在談觀光談觀光不管是國際旅客來台灣或者是國人、國旅的觀光這個軌道運輸是最重要的大眾運輸系統那除了台鐵就是高鐵\n\n03:25.021 --> 03:38.040\n高鐵我現在看到不管是我們這個產業的商務課或者是國際的觀光課甚至我們自己國人的這個使用率越來越高尤其我上次跟董事長總經理都提過我們的高鐵的台中\n\n03:41.845 --> 04:08.236\n這個運量是非常大的我這樣每天上上下下我看到我們的行李放置的區域真的嚴重不足過去高鐵跟我說2021年我們已經有處理過一次有增設了這個行李放置區從45個增加到61個雖然我畫了一個問號我存疑現在高鐵的每一個列車有到61個行李存放的空間嗎\n\n04:10.069 --> 04:27.877\n就我個人看大家可以上高鐵列車看看也可以問國人旅客看看目前一列的高鐵列車你說它的行李放置區可以放到61個不可能啦我不知道你這是怎麼算的啦我也不知道2021那時候是如何改裝的\n\n04:29.297 --> 04:51.757\n現在就是嚴重的不足嘛不管是大行李我還看到什麼嬰幼兒車這個非常不友善我們年輕家庭要搭高鐵嬰幼兒車第一個沒有空間放那行人的通道被擋那所以旅客的權也受到影響寵物車也沒有地方放欸到目前為止還是沒有辦法解決啊來\n\n04:53.198 --> 05:02.366\n報告委員我們上個禮拜陳彥博次長有特別為了這件事召開一次協調的會議那台鐵也有提出來一個具體的改變的方案是不是我請總經理來是\n\n05:07.591 --> 05:29.171\n我先跟委員好謝謝您的指導那我先回答你剛才那個部長講的那個方案我們現在是最現有的車輛的部分的話我們打算在有15區一個列車裡面有15區做成兩層那每一層的話大概可以增加三個28吋的這個行李廂所以就多增45個換句話說從現在的61個就會增加15個加大概70\n\n05:33.055 --> 05:57.653\n董事長我跟你講現在沒有61個啦你再回去算我會跟著你來算現在的列車哪裡可以放到61個的大型行李我跟委員報告齁這個61個是這樣啦我們原來就有45個那後來我們把這個一組車12節裡面有4節齁車廂我們拆掉椅子然後放成一個多一個行李區一個行李區我們可以放4個那4個的話就是1、2、3、4那\n\n06:02.737 --> 06:15.017\n所以是多了16個這是你的想像跟你們的預估啦覺得說可以放到61個啦但是你現場去看放不到61個啦而且最重要的是什麼我們的嬰幼兒車、寵物車\n\n06:17.921 --> 06:35.551\n你完全沒有友善空間可以讓它放置所以我建議大家互相參考因為我們是找到問題要解決問題嘛我們國內外很多的列車也配置雙層層架那甚至立體化而且重新盤點你們車廂內的空間有一些閒置空間沒你使用的你可以改裝嘛\n\n06:45.470 --> 07:04.519\n對不對我自己時常搭乘裡面有電話亭我也覺得電話亭對嘛你跟部長自己就講啦電話亭是受自殺幹什麼你這個照片所提醒的剛好現在要改善的方案也是讓它立體化啦變成兩層三層這樣可以使用是是是是委員報告我們就是朝這個方向在做那能夠應用的空間我們盡量用\n\n07:05.219 --> 07:10.143\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n07:24.654 --> 07:51.288\n拉行李下來還要好拉不然你把高處拉行李有些女孩子女性甚至媽媽她是勾不到的或者是她是力氣不夠大的所以這個我覺得都要從人為本的思考點去思考如何讓這個行李的一個空間立體化、安全、好使用我覺得還包括當年你講的列車的結構安全問題嘛所以來最後那改善的期程呢\n\n07:52.881 --> 07:56.446\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n08:11.366 --> 08:32.467\n做完的期程給我一份書面報告好不好那你們未來2026要交車陸續交車的新世代列車一定要先把這個考量行李空間的考量要納入你的設計好不好還來得及做的要做好不好已經納入這個規劃設計而且呢這個新的行李廂的容量比現在多一倍以上\n\n08:33.291 --> 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