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00:00:50,560\n是很多人的一個期待因為臺灣四面環海相關的一些資源我們希望透過觀光來帶給我們的國民有更多的一個經濟各方面的一個收入那我們也看到我們賴總統競選的政策上面特別寫觀光立國世界台灣那時候我們知道我們部長也是重要的應該是發言人\n\n3\n00:00:52,461 --> 00:01:17,043\n那在這中間的當年的一個願景現在當選了520也上任了然後這個發言人也變成我們交通部部長主管觀光署的一個相關的一個督導這樣的一個業務那當然當時兩個目標嘛2030年希望讓我們觀光產業可能包括國旅能夠希望超過兆元的產業那去年600萬人有達到喔有達到喔\n\n4\n00:01:19,506 --> 00:01:32,002\n在不遠的將來我以為他講不遠將來是今年照這樣看還有一點距離能夠突破一千萬在這種情況之下我想這是不光是賴總統的一個期待\n\n5\n00:01:34,525 --> 00:02:00,601\n那也是我們這個國民的一個期待甚至觀光產業鏈上面很多的業界他已經苦等了他的等待那我在想齁這個值跟量都很重要到底有多少的旅客不管是國旅外來的一個旅客他的量要提升我們希望量增加的時候他的值能夠來這邊消費的也能夠提升那我在想\n\n6\n00:02:01,946 --> 00:02:24,002\n前一陣子聽到我們的部長說我們原本去年立的今年的外來觀光旅客要有1200萬人次然後在今年的4月1號前部長調到了1000萬那我在10月份你又調到了750萬但整體跟1200萬可以講\n\n7\n00:02:28,390 --> 00:02:50,002\n我目標還是不變我在委員會其實講了很多次不是750萬不是我說的是務實一定能達到的是750萬但是前線的同仁還在努力當中我作為部長不可以把目標往下修所以目標還是1000萬所以現在目標還是1000萬還是1000萬但是也就是跟明年你剛剛說的目標明年目標還是1000萬但是結果不太確定\n\n8\n00:02:50,882 --> 00:03:18,481\n如果今年達到一千萬我明年一定會再往上拉但今年如果沒有達到一千萬你覺得今年務實便大概最多大概750萬上下嘛按照你的說法好我們再看現在的一個問題因為剛剛看到我們部長簡報那觀光署長報告的時間比較久那我幫你們做一個結論現在觀光的一個整個一個台灣觀光產業的一個情況基本上我來簡單形容一下好了就是\n\n9\n00:03:19,602 --> 00:03:27,817\n不滿意但是應該國人就是現狀應該可以接受不滿意但可以接受第二個呢那有困難\n\n10\n00:03:29,315 --> 00:03:55,813\n大部分八成是其他人的一直跌啊其他的因素從疫情開始大概有一兩成一兩成也有自己的因素可是我是覺得尤其我們的署長因為我們觀光署當時成立的他的用心他的目的大家的期待到底是什麼我覺得你要不定的時間點你要反瞻從零開始那我們來看一下\n\n11\n00:03:56,926 --> 00:04:06,934\n我們的觀光產業到底發生了什麼樣的一個情況從數字上來看這大家都說了嘛在疫情前我們拿了3年106到108年平均都有1000萬大概接近1200萬的一個從\n\n12\n00:04:13,695 --> 00:04:20,677\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n\n13\n00:04:38,061 --> 00:04:59,974\n我是覺得來臺的人數並沒有跟世界差太多但到今年其實很意外今年對於很多的一個國家是一個大復甦觀光大跳躍復甦的一個情況那這個部分我先問一下署長好不好當然我這邊是講一到八月啦也許最後這個線條會到750萬最後會小的上揚但就現況來講497萬\n\n14\n00:05:05,871 --> 00:05:09,779\n那署長你也是這個觀光臺灣觀光協會你是在那什麼職務啊\n\n15\n00:05:12,758 --> 00:05:36,136\n鐵道觀光臺灣觀光協會之前是我們葉菊仁會長現在是簡會長你在裡面擔當什麼職務我們都有一些等於是指導你是民意董事啦續聘民意董事啦那很多的補助啊協助的經費都是觀光署的一個預算啦這我們都知道啦沒有問題大家一起做那可是\n\n16\n00:05:37,321 --> 00:06:03,987\n到底發生什麼事因為你們整個報告就在想我們怎麼樣不滿意好像還是可以接受你要跟世界比到底怎麼樣那就請教一下在台灣官方協會這個準政府的一個社團好不好辦政府的一個社團裡面你有沒有看到他現在他的網頁第一頁國際趨勢是什麼在今年度第一季全世界的旅遊他說恢復到大概97%全世界\n\n17\n00:06:06,207 --> 00:06:32,177\n他預估2024年預估全世界大概成長2%我覺得齁我不知道所以你現在覺得他這個數字是亂講的是要趕快拿掉在這個我們現在是檢疫院董事長嘛齁在他的網頁你覺得他說法是胡說八道還是講真的跟委員報告因為我沒有看那個實際的數字不過看起來聽起來是應該是原來的2030年的百筆書啦\n\n18\n00:06:34,859 --> 00:06:46,294\n政策白皮書的一些分析那其實跟委員報告這張圖表裡面其實也要特別報告一下0403的這個地震對我們的衝擊真的很大\n\n19\n00:06:47,923 --> 00:07:14,783\n原來還是第一季的時候我們還信心滿滿不過在4月的時候我們就全球都有一個安心宣言其實我們覺得因為大家分不清楚花蓮跟台灣是等號的所以我們就必須要講說除了花蓮以外其他其實還是很安心可以旅遊所以也必須要我們現在確實像部長講的我們第四季是一個蠻重要的我們還是往前衝\n\n20\n00:07:17,385 --> 00:07:30,898\n這個是直接的一個數字大家都知道的那當然我們覺得有幾個指標我覺得你們自己要真的要去注意這個問題的一個有沒有如果當有一些事情習慣習慣好像沒事產生結構性變化的時候是回不來的\n\n21\n00:07:31,559 --> 00:08:00,335\n你準備好也回不來的我們看到在疫情前的三年的平均一年可能不準三年的平均當然都是我們出國的人數會比較人次比較多然後從國外來台灣旅客的旅客人比較少在疫情前三年的平均大概出國人多1.47倍1.47倍但是在今年的一個情況上去年也差不多兩倍\n\n22\n00:08:01,155 --> 00:08:05,419\n今年到一到八月的就大家出國出國的一個\n\n23\n00:08:06,499 --> 00:08:34,474\n已經高達2.29倍就是我不是出國啦就是說我們出國的人數加上國外或者外來來臺灣旅遊的相比我覺得這個部分這個數字這個部長你清楚嗎是這個我清楚啦你覺得要不要我覺得逆差一直在擴大那是一個非常對本國來講我們的觀光業來講是一個很不健康的一個趨勢那這個部分我們當然要努力來改變\n\n24\n00:08:35,598 --> 00:09:00,531\n其實這個東西蠻危險的第一個是說我們都講說互相尊重平等我有來你有去大家互相努力大家一起努力日本、韓國或者美國、歐洲大家來來去去盡量透過那些協調有同樣的一個資源在觀光的產業裡面不要出現太多的一個逆差可是因為我發覺這樣的一個第一個逆差\n\n25\n00:09:01,371 --> 00:09:12,635\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n\n26\n00:09:26,904 --> 00:09:44,144\n現在已經很多的包括遊覽車因為很多路線都沒有了嘛司機也沒有他的車他也不開了會造成整個價格上升你等到再開放的時候台灣的環境成一個惡性的循環更貴然後大家更不來你會不會擔心這樣的一個情況\n\n27\n00:09:45,345 --> 00:10:04,325\n當然委員剛剛所提醒的這個惡性循環的狀況我們也在觀察那也非常擔心我們希望不要發生確實委員在講的遊覽車的部分缺工是個議題然後生意也是個議題那他們的這個數字如果起不來或者是下降對未來如果我們要爭取更多的旅客進來是不利的\n\n28\n00:10:04,998 --> 00:10:22,023\n跟委員報告下在戰略上來講我們跟韓國很像也就是出國大概就是會比來臺的數字大概會差1比2的概念所以台灣這是一個自由市場所以國旅是蠻重要的\n\n29\n00:10:22,503 --> 00:10:39,295\n所以怎麼樣支撐國旅那個旅次其實還是可以帶動因為我時間真的不夠了好吧那我就把我的一個想法講講因為準備這個資料也蠻花精神的那我還沒提到你先提到韓國嘛我們的韓國很像我現在真的希望我們跟韓國很像\n\n30\n00:10:40,916 --> 00:11:02,058\n除了這個比較之外我們來看看就對另外一指標來看那大家都復甦嘛我的想法說我們現在說我們降下來我們復甦多少不公平啊也許不公平啊其他國家都沒做到平常我們做到我們鄰近的國家跟我們類似的比我們更爛都有那坦白講那我還要給你數大拇指那到底發生什麼事的遠的我就不敢比了嘛好不好\n\n31\n00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:23,036\n那臺灣到目前為止都一樣前面8個月喔都前面8個月喔這不是一年對一年的喔那前面一個都是2019年全年的喔疫情前的在臺灣跟2019年以國外外國的旅客來臺的人數到目前為止前8個月跟那一年對比付出比例是42%韓國\n\n32\n00:11:26,343 --> 00:11:31,464\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園\n\n33\n00:11:50,930 --> 00:11:54,412\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n34\n00:12:16,867 --> 00:12:32,536\n問題是這樣嗎?問題不是啦因為我們今天不是要講大陸啦跟港澳啦那我們都知道少很多啦以前8個月來比較大陸、港澳來台的人數少了67%這個不談嘛因為這個你們沒辦法主導的不談這個可是我們覺得日本\n\n35\n00:12:33,594 --> 00:12:49,444\n你們說匯率嘛日本也比同期2019年同期少了40%韓國也比同期少了13.7%整個歐洲歐洲來台的旅客也整體少了10%我想這樣的\n\n36\n00:12:54,676 --> 00:12:55,918\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n37\n00:13:09,636 --> 00:13:10,977\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n38\n00:13:26,149 --> 00:13:48,817\n如果找藉口是真的比較簡單只要噴口水在原地不動所以我在這邊拜託你們今天提的一個報告我們希望你們在私下多找一些是屬於我們自己可以改善的理由也許不用報告給我們聽我們真的希望在明年能夠快速的追上您有沒有信心好我們努力會有信心好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5570\t14375\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n29068\t50560\t是很多人的一個期待因為臺灣四面環海相關的一些資源我們希望透過觀光來帶給我們的國民有更多的一個經濟各方面的一個收入那我們也看到我們賴總統競選的政策上面特別寫觀光立國世界台灣那時候我們知道我們部長也是重要的應該是發言人\n52461\t77043\t那在這中間的當年的一個願景現在當選了520也上任了然後這個發言人也變成我們交通部部長主管觀光署的一個相關的一個督導這樣的一個業務那當然當時兩個目標嘛2030年希望讓我們觀光產業可能包括國旅能夠希望超過兆元的產業那去年600萬人有達到喔 有達到喔\n79506\t92002\t在不遠的將來我以為他講不遠將來是今年照這樣看還有一點距離能夠突破一千萬在這種情況之下我想這是不光是賴總統的一個期待\n94525\t120601\t那也是我們這個國民的一個期待甚至觀光產業鏈上面很多的業界他已經苦等了他的等待那我在想齁這個值跟量都很重要到底有多少的旅客不管是國旅外來的一個旅客他的量要提升我們希望量增加的時候他的值能夠來這邊消費的也能夠提升那我在想\n121946\t144002\t前一陣子聽到我們的部長說我們原本去年立的今年的外來觀光旅客要有1200萬人次然後在今年的4月1號前部長調到了1000萬那我在10月份你又調到了750萬但整體跟1200萬可以講\n148390\t170002\t我目標還是不變我在委員會其實講了很多次不是750萬不是我說的是務實一定能達到的是750萬但是前線的同仁還在努力當中我作為部長不可以把目標往下修所以目標還是1000萬所以現在目標還是1000萬還是1000萬但是也就是跟明年你剛剛說的目標明年目標還是1000萬但是結果不太確定\n170882\t198481\t如果今年達到一千萬我明年一定會再往上拉但今年如果沒有達到一千萬你覺得今年務實便大概最多大概750萬上下嘛按照你的說法好我們再看現在的一個問題因為剛剛看到我們部長簡報那觀光署長報告的時間比較久那我幫你們做一個結論現在觀光的一個整個一個台灣觀光產業的一個情況基本上我來簡單形容一下好了就是\n199602\t207817\t不滿意但是應該國人就是現狀應該可以接受不滿意但可以接受第二個呢那有困難\n209315\t235813\t大部分八成是其他人的一直跌啊其他的因素從疫情開始大概有一兩成一兩成也有自己的因素可是我是覺得尤其我們的署長因為我們觀光署當時成立的他的用心他的目的大家的期待到底是什麼我覺得你要不定的時間點你要反瞻從零開始那我們來看一下\n236926\t246934\t我們的觀光產業到底發生了什麼樣的一個情況從數字上來看這大家都說了嘛在疫情前我們拿了3年106到108年平均都有1000萬大概接近1200萬的一個從\n253695\t260677\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n278061\t299974\t我是覺得來臺的人數並沒有跟世界差太多但到今年其實很意外今年對於很多的一個國家是一個大復甦觀光大跳躍復甦的一個情況那這個部分我先問一下署長好不好當然我這邊是講一到八月啦也許最後這個線條會到750萬最後會小的上揚但就現況來講497萬\n305871\t309779\t那署長你也是這個觀光臺灣觀光協會你是在那什麼職務啊\n312758\t336136\t鐵道觀光臺灣觀光協會之前是我們葉菊仁會長現在是簡會長你在裡面擔當什麼職務我們都有一些等於是指導你是民意董事啦續聘民意董事啦那很多的補助啊協助的經費都是觀光署的一個預算啦這我們都知道啦沒有問題大家一起做那可是\n337321\t363987\t到底發生什麼事因為你們整個報告就在想我們怎麼樣不滿意好像還是可以接受你要跟世界比到底怎麼樣那就請教一下在台灣官方協會這個準政府的一個社團好不好辦政府的一個社團裡面你有沒有看到他現在他的網頁第一頁國際趨勢是什麼在今年度第一季全世界的旅遊他說恢復到大概97%全世界\n366207\t392177\t他預估2024年預估全世界大概成長2%我覺得齁我不知道所以你現在覺得他這個數字是亂講的是要趕快拿掉在這個我們現在是檢疫院董事長嘛齁在他的網頁你覺得他說法是胡說八道還是講真的跟委員報告因為我沒有看那個實際的數字不過看起來聽起來是應該是原來的2030年的百筆書啦\n394859\t406294\t政策白皮書的一些分析那其實跟委員報告這張圖表裡面其實也要特別報告一下0403的這個地震對我們的衝擊真的很大\n407923\t434783\t原來還是第一季的時候我們還信心滿滿不過在4月的時候我們就全球都有一個安心宣言其實我們覺得因為大家分不清楚花蓮跟台灣是等號的所以我們就必須要講說除了花蓮以外其他其實還是很安心可以旅遊所以也必須要我們現在確實像部長講的我們第四季是一個蠻重要的我們還是往前衝\n437385\t450898\t這個是直接的一個數字大家都知道的那當然我們覺得有幾個指標我覺得你們自己要真的要去注意這個問題的一個有沒有如果當有一些事情習慣習慣好像沒事產生結構性變化的時候是回不來的\n451559\t480335\t你準備好也回不來的我們看到在疫情前的三年的平均一年可能不準三年的平均當然都是我們出國的人數會比較人次比較多然後從國外來台灣旅客的旅客人比較少在疫情前三年的平均大概出國人多1.47倍1.47倍但是在今年的一個情況上去年也差不多兩倍\n481155\t485419\t今年到一到八月的就大家出國出國的一個\n486499\t514474\t已經高達2.29倍就是我不是出國啦就是說我們出國的人數加上國外或者外來來臺灣旅遊的相比我覺得這個部分這個數字這個部長你清楚嗎是這個我清楚啦你覺得要不要我覺得逆差一直在擴大那是一個非常對本國來講我們的觀光業來講是一個很不健康的一個趨勢那這個部分我們當然要努力來改變\n515598\t540531\t其實這個東西蠻危險的第一個是說我們都講說互相尊重平等我有來你有去大家互相努力大家一起努力日本、韓國或者美國、歐洲大家來來去去盡量透過那些協調有同樣的一個資源在觀光的產業裡面不要出現太多的一個逆差可是因為我發覺這樣的一個第一個逆差\n541371\t552635\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n566904\t584144\t現在已經很多的包括遊覽車因為很多路線都沒有了嘛司機也沒有他的車他也不開了會造成整個價格上升你等到再開放的時候台灣的環境成一個惡性的循環更貴然後大家更不來你會不會擔心這樣的一個情況\n585345\t604325\t當然委員剛剛所提醒的這個惡性循環的狀況我們也在觀察那也非常擔心我們希望不要發生確實委員在講的遊覽車的部分缺工是個議題然後生意也是個議題那他們的這個數字如果起不來或者是下降對未來如果我們要爭取更多的旅客進來是不利的\n604998\t622023\t跟委員報告下在戰略上來講我們跟韓國很像也就是出國大概就是會比來臺的數字大概會差1比2的概念所以台灣這是一個自由市場所以國旅是蠻重要的\n622503\t639295\t所以怎麼樣支撐國旅那個旅次其實還是可以帶動因為我時間真的不夠了好吧那我就把我的一個想法講講因為準備這個資料也蠻花精神的那我還沒提到你先提到韓國嘛我們的韓國很像我現在真的希望我們跟韓國很像\n640916\t662058\t除了這個比較之外我們來看看就對另外一指標來看那大家都復甦嘛我的想法說我們現在說我們降下來我們復甦多少不公平啊也許不公平啊其他國家都沒做到平常我們做到我們鄰近的國家跟我們類似的比我們更爛都有那坦白講那我還要給你數大拇指那到底發生什麼事的遠的我就不敢比了嘛好不好\n662679\t683036\t那臺灣到目前為止都一樣前面8個月喔都前面8個月喔這不是一年對一年的喔那前面一個都是2019年全年的喔疫情前的在臺灣跟2019年以國外外國的旅客來臺的人數到目前為止前8個月跟那一年對比付出比例是42%韓國\n686343\t691464\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園\n710930\t714412\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n736867\t752536\t問題是這樣嗎?問題不是啦因為我們今天不是要講大陸啦跟港澳啦那我們都知道少很多啦以前8個月來比較大陸、港澳來台的人數少了67%這個不談嘛因為這個你們沒辦法主導的不談這個可是我們覺得日本\n753594\t769444\t你們說匯率嘛日本也比同期2019年同期少了40%韓國也比同期少了13.7%整個歐洲歐洲來台的旅客也整體少了10%我想這樣的\n774676\t775918\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n789636\t790977\t有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n806149\t828817\t如果找藉口是真的比較簡單只要噴口水在原地不動所以我在這邊拜託你們今天提的一個報告我們希望你們在私下多找一些是屬於我們自己可以改善的理由也許不用報告給我們聽我們真的希望在明年能夠快速的追上您有沒有信心好 我們努力會有信心好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n是很多人的一個期待因為臺灣四面環海相關的一些資源我們希望透過觀光來帶給我們的國民有更多的一個經濟各方面的一個收入那我們也看到我們賴總統競選的政策上面特別寫觀光立國世界台灣那時候我們知道我們部長也是重要的應該是發言人\n那在這中間的當年的一個願景現在當選了520也上任了然後這個發言人也變成我們交通部部長主管觀光署的一個相關的一個督導這樣的一個業務那當然當時兩個目標嘛2030年希望讓我們觀光產業可能包括國旅能夠希望超過兆元的產業那去年600萬人有達到喔 有達到喔\n在不遠的將來我以為他講不遠將來是今年照這樣看還有一點距離能夠突破一千萬在這種情況之下我想這是不光是賴總統的一個期待\n那也是我們這個國民的一個期待甚至觀光產業鏈上面很多的業界他已經苦等了他的等待那我在想齁這個值跟量都很重要到底有多少的旅客不管是國旅外來的一個旅客他的量要提升我們希望量增加的時候他的值能夠來這邊消費的也能夠提升那我在想\n前一陣子聽到我們的部長說我們原本去年立的今年的外來觀光旅客要有1200萬人次然後在今年的4月1號前部長調到了1000萬那我在10月份你又調到了750萬但整體跟1200萬可以講\n我目標還是不變我在委員會其實講了很多次不是750萬不是我說的是務實一定能達到的是750萬但是前線的同仁還在努力當中我作為部長不可以把目標往下修所以目標還是1000萬所以現在目標還是1000萬還是1000萬但是也就是跟明年你剛剛說的目標明年目標還是1000萬但是結果不太確定\n如果今年達到一千萬我明年一定會再往上拉但今年如果沒有達到一千萬你覺得今年務實便大概最多大概750萬上下嘛按照你的說法好我們再看現在的一個問題因為剛剛看到我們部長簡報那觀光署長報告的時間比較久那我幫你們做一個結論現在觀光的一個整個一個台灣觀光產業的一個情況基本上我來簡單形容一下好了就是\n不滿意但是應該國人就是現狀應該可以接受不滿意但可以接受第二個呢那有困難\n大部分八成是其他人的一直跌啊其他的因素從疫情開始大概有一兩成一兩成也有自己的因素可是我是覺得尤其我們的署長因為我們觀光署當時成立的他的用心他的目的大家的期待到底是什麼我覺得你要不定的時間點你要反瞻從零開始那我們來看一下\n我們的觀光產業到底發生了什麼樣的一個情況從數字上來看這大家都說了嘛在疫情前我們拿了3年106到108年平均都有1000萬大概接近1200萬的一個從\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n我是覺得來臺的人數並沒有跟世界差太多但到今年其實很意外今年對於很多的一個國家是一個大復甦觀光大跳躍復甦的一個情況那這個部分我先問一下署長好不好當然我這邊是講一到八月啦也許最後這個線條會到750萬最後會小的上揚但就現況來講497萬\n那署長你也是這個觀光臺灣觀光協會你是在那什麼職務啊\n鐵道觀光臺灣觀光協會之前是我們葉菊仁會長現在是簡會長你在裡面擔當什麼職務我們都有一些等於是指導你是民意董事啦續聘民意董事啦那很多的補助啊協助的經費都是觀光署的一個預算啦這我們都知道啦沒有問題大家一起做那可是\n到底發生什麼事因為你們整個報告就在想我們怎麼樣不滿意好像還是可以接受你要跟世界比到底怎麼樣那就請教一下在台灣官方協會這個準政府的一個社團好不好辦政府的一個社團裡面你有沒有看到他現在他的網頁第一頁國際趨勢是什麼在今年度第一季全世界的旅遊他說恢復到大概97%全世界\n他預估2024年預估全世界大概成長2%我覺得齁我不知道所以你現在覺得他這個數字是亂講的是要趕快拿掉在這個我們現在是檢疫院董事長嘛齁在他的網頁你覺得他說法是胡說八道還是講真的跟委員報告因為我沒有看那個實際的數字不過看起來聽起來是應該是原來的2030年的百筆書啦\n政策白皮書的一些分析那其實跟委員報告這張圖表裡面其實也要特別報告一下0403的這個地震對我們的衝擊真的很大\n原來還是第一季的時候我們還信心滿滿不過在4月的時候我們就全球都有一個安心宣言其實我們覺得因為大家分不清楚花蓮跟台灣是等號的所以我們就必須要講說除了花蓮以外其他其實還是很安心可以旅遊所以也必須要我們現在確實像部長講的我們第四季是一個蠻重要的我們還是往前衝\n這個是直接的一個數字大家都知道的那當然我們覺得有幾個指標我覺得你們自己要真的要去注意這個問題的一個有沒有如果當有一些事情習慣習慣好像沒事產生結構性變化的時候是回不來的\n你準備好也回不來的我們看到在疫情前的三年的平均一年可能不準三年的平均當然都是我們出國的人數會比較人次比較多然後從國外來台灣旅客的旅客人比較少在疫情前三年的平均大概出國人多1.47倍1.47倍但是在今年的一個情況上去年也差不多兩倍\n今年到一到八月的就大家出國出國的一個\n已經高達2.29倍就是我不是出國啦就是說我們出國的人數加上國外或者外來來臺灣旅遊的相比我覺得這個部分這個數字這個部長你清楚嗎是這個我清楚啦你覺得要不要我覺得逆差一直在擴大那是一個非常對本國來講我們的觀光業來講是一個很不健康的一個趨勢那這個部分我們當然要努力來改變\n其實這個東西蠻危險的第一個是說我們都講說互相尊重平等我有來你有去大家互相努力大家一起努力日本、韓國或者美國、歐洲大家來來去去盡量透過那些協調有同樣的一個資源在觀光的產業裡面不要出現太多的一個逆差可是因為我發覺這樣的一個第一個逆差\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n現在已經很多的包括遊覽車因為很多路線都沒有了嘛司機也沒有他的車他也不開了會造成整個價格上升你等到再開放的時候台灣的環境成一個惡性的循環更貴然後大家更不來你會不會擔心這樣的一個情況\n當然委員剛剛所提醒的這個惡性循環的狀況我們也在觀察那也非常擔心我們希望不要發生確實委員在講的遊覽車的部分缺工是個議題然後生意也是個議題那他們的這個數字如果起不來或者是下降對未來如果我們要爭取更多的旅客進來是不利的\n跟委員報告下在戰略上來講我們跟韓國很像也就是出國大概就是會比來臺的數字大概會差1比2的概念所以台灣這是一個自由市場所以國旅是蠻重要的\n所以怎麼樣支撐國旅那個旅次其實還是可以帶動因為我時間真的不夠了好吧那我就把我的一個想法講講因為準備這個資料也蠻花精神的那我還沒提到你先提到韓國嘛我們的韓國很像我現在真的希望我們跟韓國很像\n除了這個比較之外我們來看看就對另外一指標來看那大家都復甦嘛我的想法說我們現在說我們降下來我們復甦多少不公平啊也許不公平啊其他國家都沒做到平常我們做到我們鄰近的國家跟我們類似的比我們更爛都有那坦白講那我還要給你數大拇指那到底發生什麼事的遠的我就不敢比了嘛好不好\n那臺灣到目前為止都一樣前面8個月喔都前面8個月喔這不是一年對一年的喔那前面一個都是2019年全年的喔疫情前的在臺灣跟2019年以國外外國的旅客來臺的人數到目前為止前8個月跟那一年對比付出比例是42%韓國\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n問題是這樣嗎?問題不是啦因為我們今天不是要講大陸啦跟港澳啦那我們都知道少很多啦以前8個月來比較大陸、港澳來台的人數少了67%這個不談嘛因為這個你們沒辦法主導的不談這個可是我們覺得日本\n你們說匯率嘛日本也比同期2019年同期少了40%韓國也比同期少了13.7%整個歐洲歐洲來台的旅客也整體少了10%我想這樣的\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n如果找藉口是真的比較簡單只要噴口水在原地不動所以我在這邊拜託你們今天提的一個報告我們希望你們在私下多找一些是屬於我們自己可以改善的理由也許不用報告給我們聽我們真的希望在明年能夠快速的追上您有沒有信心好 我們努力會有信心好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.570 --> 00:14.375\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n00:29.068 --> 00:50.560\n是很多人的一個期待因為臺灣四面環海相關的一些資源我們希望透過觀光來帶給我們的國民有更多的一個經濟各方面的一個收入那我們也看到我們賴總統競選的政策上面特別寫觀光立國世界台灣那時候我們知道我們部長也是重要的應該是發言人\n\n00:52.461 --> 01:17.043\n那在這中間的當年的一個願景現在當選了520也上任了然後這個發言人也變成我們交通部部長主管觀光署的一個相關的一個督導這樣的一個業務那當然當時兩個目標嘛2030年希望讓我們觀光產業可能包括國旅能夠希望超過兆元的產業那去年600萬人有達到喔有達到喔\n\n01:19.506 --> 01:32.002\n在不遠的將來我以為他講不遠將來是今年照這樣看還有一點距離能夠突破一千萬在這種情況之下我想這是不光是賴總統的一個期待\n\n01:34.525 --> 02:00.601\n那也是我們這個國民的一個期待甚至觀光產業鏈上面很多的業界他已經苦等了他的等待那我在想齁這個值跟量都很重要到底有多少的旅客不管是國旅外來的一個旅客他的量要提升我們希望量增加的時候他的值能夠來這邊消費的也能夠提升那我在想\n\n02:01.946 --> 02:24.002\n前一陣子聽到我們的部長說我們原本去年立的今年的外來觀光旅客要有1200萬人次然後在今年的4月1號前部長調到了1000萬那我在10月份你又調到了750萬但整體跟1200萬可以講\n\n02:28.390 --> 02:50.002\n我目標還是不變我在委員會其實講了很多次不是750萬不是我說的是務實一定能達到的是750萬但是前線的同仁還在努力當中我作為部長不可以把目標往下修所以目標還是1000萬所以現在目標還是1000萬還是1000萬但是也就是跟明年你剛剛說的目標明年目標還是1000萬但是結果不太確定\n\n02:50.882 --> 03:18.481\n如果今年達到一千萬我明年一定會再往上拉但今年如果沒有達到一千萬你覺得今年務實便大概最多大概750萬上下嘛按照你的說法好我們再看現在的一個問題因為剛剛看到我們部長簡報那觀光署長報告的時間比較久那我幫你們做一個結論現在觀光的一個整個一個台灣觀光產業的一個情況基本上我來簡單形容一下好了就是\n\n03:19.602 --> 03:27.817\n不滿意但是應該國人就是現狀應該可以接受不滿意但可以接受第二個呢那有困難\n\n03:29.315 --> 03:55.813\n大部分八成是其他人的一直跌啊其他的因素從疫情開始大概有一兩成一兩成也有自己的因素可是我是覺得尤其我們的署長因為我們觀光署當時成立的他的用心他的目的大家的期待到底是什麼我覺得你要不定的時間點你要反瞻從零開始那我們來看一下\n\n03:56.926 --> 04:06.934\n我們的觀光產業到底發生了什麼樣的一個情況從數字上來看這大家都說了嘛在疫情前我們拿了3年106到108年平均都有1000萬大概接近1200萬的一個從\n\n04:13.695 --> 04:20.677\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n\n04:38.061 --> 04:59.974\n我是覺得來臺的人數並沒有跟世界差太多但到今年其實很意外今年對於很多的一個國家是一個大復甦觀光大跳躍復甦的一個情況那這個部分我先問一下署長好不好當然我這邊是講一到八月啦也許最後這個線條會到750萬最後會小的上揚但就現況來講497萬\n\n05:05.871 --> 05:09.779\n那署長你也是這個觀光臺灣觀光協會你是在那什麼職務啊\n\n05:12.758 --> 05:36.136\n鐵道觀光臺灣觀光協會之前是我們葉菊仁會長現在是簡會長你在裡面擔當什麼職務我們都有一些等於是指導你是民意董事啦續聘民意董事啦那很多的補助啊協助的經費都是觀光署的一個預算啦這我們都知道啦沒有問題大家一起做那可是\n\n05:37.321 --> 06:03.987\n到底發生什麼事因為你們整個報告就在想我們怎麼樣不滿意好像還是可以接受你要跟世界比到底怎麼樣那就請教一下在台灣官方協會這個準政府的一個社團好不好辦政府的一個社團裡面你有沒有看到他現在他的網頁第一頁國際趨勢是什麼在今年度第一季全世界的旅遊他說恢復到大概97%全世界\n\n06:06.207 --> 06:32.177\n他預估2024年預估全世界大概成長2%我覺得齁我不知道所以你現在覺得他這個數字是亂講的是要趕快拿掉在這個我們現在是檢疫院董事長嘛齁在他的網頁你覺得他說法是胡說八道還是講真的跟委員報告因為我沒有看那個實際的數字不過看起來聽起來是應該是原來的2030年的百筆書啦\n\n06:34.859 --> 06:46.294\n政策白皮書的一些分析那其實跟委員報告這張圖表裡面其實也要特別報告一下0403的這個地震對我們的衝擊真的很大\n\n06:47.923 --> 07:14.783\n原來還是第一季的時候我們還信心滿滿不過在4月的時候我們就全球都有一個安心宣言其實我們覺得因為大家分不清楚花蓮跟台灣是等號的所以我們就必須要講說除了花蓮以外其他其實還是很安心可以旅遊所以也必須要我們現在確實像部長講的我們第四季是一個蠻重要的我們還是往前衝\n\n07:17.385 --> 07:30.898\n這個是直接的一個數字大家都知道的那當然我們覺得有幾個指標我覺得你們自己要真的要去注意這個問題的一個有沒有如果當有一些事情習慣習慣好像沒事產生結構性變化的時候是回不來的\n\n07:31.559 --> 08:00.335\n你準備好也回不來的我們看到在疫情前的三年的平均一年可能不準三年的平均當然都是我們出國的人數會比較人次比較多然後從國外來台灣旅客的旅客人比較少在疫情前三年的平均大概出國人多1.47倍1.47倍但是在今年的一個情況上去年也差不多兩倍\n\n08:01.155 --> 08:05.419\n今年到一到八月的就大家出國出國的一個\n\n08:06.499 --> 08:34.474\n已經高達2.29倍就是我不是出國啦就是說我們出國的人數加上國外或者外來來臺灣旅遊的相比我覺得這個部分這個數字這個部長你清楚嗎是這個我清楚啦你覺得要不要我覺得逆差一直在擴大那是一個非常對本國來講我們的觀光業來講是一個很不健康的一個趨勢那這個部分我們當然要努力來改變\n\n08:35.598 --> 09:00.531\n其實這個東西蠻危險的第一個是說我們都講說互相尊重平等我有來你有去大家互相努力大家一起努力日本、韓國或者美國、歐洲大家來來去去盡量透過那些協調有同樣的一個資源在觀光的產業裡面不要出現太多的一個逆差可是因為我發覺這樣的一個第一個逆差\n\n09:01.371 --> 09:12.635\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n\n09:26.904 --> 09:44.144\n現在已經很多的包括遊覽車因為很多路線都沒有了嘛司機也沒有他的車他也不開了會造成整個價格上升你等到再開放的時候台灣的環境成一個惡性的循環更貴然後大家更不來你會不會擔心這樣的一個情況\n\n09:45.345 --> 10:04.325\n當然委員剛剛所提醒的這個惡性循環的狀況我們也在觀察那也非常擔心我們希望不要發生確實委員在講的遊覽車的部分缺工是個議題然後生意也是個議題那他們的這個數字如果起不來或者是下降對未來如果我們要爭取更多的旅客進來是不利的\n\n10:04.998 --> 10:22.023\n跟委員報告下在戰略上來講我們跟韓國很像也就是出國大概就是會比來臺的數字大概會差1比2的概念所以台灣這是一個自由市場所以國旅是蠻重要的\n\n10:22.503 --> 10:39.295\n所以怎麼樣支撐國旅那個旅次其實還是可以帶動因為我時間真的不夠了好吧那我就把我的一個想法講講因為準備這個資料也蠻花精神的那我還沒提到你先提到韓國嘛我們的韓國很像我現在真的希望我們跟韓國很像\n\n10:40.916 --> 11:02.058\n除了這個比較之外我們來看看就對另外一指標來看那大家都復甦嘛我的想法說我們現在說我們降下來我們復甦多少不公平啊也許不公平啊其他國家都沒做到平常我們做到我們鄰近的國家跟我們類似的比我們更爛都有那坦白講那我還要給你數大拇指那到底發生什麼事的遠的我就不敢比了嘛好不好\n\n11:02.679 --> 11:23.036\n那臺灣到目前為止都一樣前面8個月喔都前面8個月喔這不是一年對一年的喔那前面一個都是2019年全年的喔疫情前的在臺灣跟2019年以國外外國的旅客來臺的人數到目前為止前8個月跟那一年對比付出比例是42%韓國\n\n11:26.343 --> 11:31.464\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園\n\n11:50.930 --> 11:54.412\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n12:16.867 --> 12:32.536\n問題是這樣嗎?問題不是啦因為我們今天不是要講大陸啦跟港澳啦那我們都知道少很多啦以前8個月來比較大陸、港澳來台的人數少了67%這個不談嘛因為這個你們沒辦法主導的不談這個可是我們覺得日本\n\n12:33.594 --> 12:49.444\n你們說匯率嘛日本也比同期2019年同期少了40%韓國也比同期少了13.7%整個歐洲歐洲來台的旅客也整體少了10%我想這樣的\n\n12:54.676 --> 12:55.918\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n13:09.636 --> 13:10.977\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n13:26.149 --> 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我們努力會有信心好 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