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00:02:37,807\n三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n9\n00:02:53,174 --> 00:03:13,373\n主委先問一些比較實際的問題相關的選務人員場地要增加多少你有沒有評估過如果要綁在一起大家馬上想到的就是2018噩夢重演很多人不敢來擔任我們的選務工作人員所以這是一個問題量大人遭不到那絕對是一場大災難\n\n10\n00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:34,352\n對阿其他在野黨的委員說阿你人數要增加阿你可能場地要增加阿你中選要增加問題是你找不到人找不到人場地也不好找我們場地在2018到2024年全國增加差不多2000個投開票所\n\n11\n00:03:34,932 --> 00:03:39,073\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n\n12\n00:04:02,318 --> 00:04:18,330\n三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n13\n00:04:33,554 --> 00:04:56,981\n這幾年以來,客觀的環境、客觀的條件並沒有什麼重大的變革。所以說當初這個決定,我相信它存在的理由還是持續的。我相信更大的理由是人民已經習慣認為我這一張投票投下去就是四年。\n\n14\n00:04:57,321 --> 00:05:14,487\n三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「\n\n15\n00:05:29,295 --> 00:05:56,362\n同時我也會放信用卡。為什麼我今天要拿出來?吳秉瑞委員的公投法第21條的提案,他雖然他已經測案,但是我還來說明一下,為什麼他的公投法裡面說明公投連署需要看身份,需要身份證的發證日,身份證我們會被直接寫。\n\n16\n00:05:57,779 --> 00:06:17,881\n我們要看發證日我們一定是會拿出來大部分的人都一樣會拿出來看一下我的發證日是106年7月3號我填下來我填一次我不會背起來我們現在在線上刷卡也會遇到一個問題我們的手機都已經把我們信用卡都記好了但是很煩啊\n\n17\n00:06:19,301 --> 00:06:21,463\n第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n18\n00:06:40,962 --> 00:06:59,753\n但是這個程序只是加嚴你當初你要刷這一筆費用的這個謹慎度也就跟吳秉瑞委員的提案一樣要你把身份證拿出來看一下填寫避免死亡連署避免大量的拿黨工的\n\n19\n00:07:00,333 --> 00:07:02,134\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n20\n00:07:17,322 --> 00:07:41,982\n以及看一下身份證的發證日期就跟你信用卡一樣只是比較嚴謹避免這些死亡連署不要把它混為一談在這邊也幫吳秉瑞委員做提案的原意雖然他已經撤案了我還是在這邊說明主委謝謝你今天的辛苦謝謝委員提醒主委\n\n21\n00:07:42,847 --> 00:08:04,286\n未來選務人員的這些招募所遇到的這些問題所真的如果萬一有公投綁大選的話大概需要增加多少人力大概需要增加多少場地臺灣有沒有辦法這樣負荷這個請中選會都要提出我們誠懇的呼籲千萬不要再走回頭路了謝謝好\n\n22\n00:08:10,919 --> 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--> 00:00.342\n第二條條文修正草案案。五、\n\n00:06.872 --> 00:31.885\n主委我們今天根據這個有委員提出公投法的修法的部分來做這些探討那主委中選會是獨立機關那其實我們每一次選舉其實包含中選會會邀請臺灣各政黨包含黨部提出相關選務人員的這些需求越來越難找\n\n00:33.430 --> 00:37.434\n尤其2018年以後越來越難找。從過去資格限制一直放寬,然後到後來我們相關的這個包含這個車馬費會加一些車馬費等等的,為什麼?\n\n00:52.086 --> 01:10.771\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。\n\n01:20.653 --> 01:38.138\n這個就是我又要你又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草然後我又要你加很多這個業務在你身上又要加很多責任在你身上這個其實就是我們今天也在討論的到底這個選票上面一次要印多個問題之後\n\n01:40.570 --> 02:08.023\n這個唱票人員的壓力拿出來是有多大?跟一張一張選票一張一張公投的題目內容都是相關的。主委,你是不是要表達這個?是的,我們每次的選舉都會去遇到工作人員請不上的困難,都是必須要一直緊緊到最後地方政府出面,協助我們才勉強可以應付過去。\n\n02:09.944 --> 02:11.566\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n02:26.184 --> 02:37.807\n三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n02:53.174 --> 03:13.373\n主委先問一些比較實際的問題相關的選務人員場地要增加多少你有沒有評估過如果要綁在一起大家馬上想到的就是2018噩夢重演很多人不敢來擔任我們的選務工作人員所以這是一個問題量大人遭不到那絕對是一場大災難\n\n03:15.154 --> 03:34.352\n對阿其他在野黨的委員說阿你人數要增加阿你可能場地要增加阿你中選要增加問題是你找不到人找不到人場地也不好找我們場地在2018到2024年全國增加差不多2000個投開票所\n\n03:34.932 --> 03:39.073\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。\n\n04:02.318 --> 04:18.330\n三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n04:33.554 --> 04:56.981\n這幾年以來,客觀的環境、客觀的條件並沒有什麼重大的變革。所以說當初這個決定,我相信它存在的理由還是持續的。我相信更大的理由是人民已經習慣認為我這一張投票投下去就是四年。\n\n04:57.321 --> 05:14.487\n三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「\n\n05:29.295 --> 05:56.362\n同時我也會放信用卡。為什麼我今天要拿出來?吳秉瑞委員的公投法第21條的提案,他雖然他已經測案,但是我還來說明一下,為什麼他的公投法裡面說明公投連署需要看身份,需要身份證的發證日,身份證我們會被直接寫。\n\n05:57.779 --> 06:17.881\n我們要看發證日我們一定是會拿出來大部分的人都一樣會拿出來看一下我的發證日是106年7月3號我填下來我填一次我不會背起來我們現在在線上刷卡也會遇到一個問題我們的手機都已經把我們信用卡都記好了但是很煩啊\n\n06:19.301 --> 06:21.463\n第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n06:40.962 --> 06:59.753\n但是這個程序只是加嚴你當初你要刷這一筆費用的這個謹慎度也就跟吳秉瑞委員的提案一樣要你把身份證拿出來看一下填寫避免死亡連署避免大量的拿黨工的\n\n07:00.333 --> 07:02.134\n第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具\n\n07:17.322 --> 07:41.982\n以及看一下身份證的發證日期就跟你信用卡一樣只是比較嚴謹避免這些死亡連署不要把它混為一談在這邊也幫吳秉瑞委員做提案的原意雖然他已經撤案了我還是在這邊說明主委謝謝你今天的辛苦謝謝委員提醒主委\n\n07:42.847 --> 08:04.286\n未來選務人員的這些招募所遇到的這些問題所真的如果萬一有公投綁大選的話大概需要增加多少人力大概需要增加多少場地臺灣有沒有辦法這樣負荷這個請中選會都要提出我們誠懇的呼籲千萬不要再走回頭路了謝謝好\n\n08:10.919 --> 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跟選委會，也跟國人說明，是不一樣的東西。身分證影印連署以及看一下身分證的發證日期，就跟信用卡一樣，只是比較嚴謹，避免這些死亡連署，不要把它混為一談，在這邊也幫吳秉叡委員說明這個提案的原意。雖然他已經撤案了，我還是在這邊說明。主委，謝謝你今天的辛苦。"],["李主任委員進勇：謝謝委員。"],["李委員柏毅：提醒主委，未來選務人員招募所遇到的這些問題，萬一真的有公投綁大選，大概需要增加多少人力、大概需要多增加多少場地、臺灣有沒有辦法這樣負荷，請中選會都要提出具體……"],["李主任委員進勇：我們誠懇呼籲，千萬不要再走回頭路。"],["李委員柏毅：謝謝。"],["李主任委員進勇：謝謝。"],["主席：接下來請黃捷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-7","speakers":["徐欣瑩","羅智強","麥玉珍","賴士葆","張宏陸","李柏毅","鍾佳濱","牛煦庭","王美惠","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","黃建賓","吳琪銘","丁學忠","楊瓊瓔","黃國昌","翁曉玲","高金素梅"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬\n具「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公民投票法部分\n條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員羅智強等 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