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00:04:05,603\n所以剛剛有委員提到就是說我們這個青少年自殺或者是自殺率逐年在這個攀升當中或者是我們可能有一些這個像前陣子桃園的一個案例就是說這個在路上把一個女童這樣抓住的這種類似這樣的一個狀況也許她可能是一個這個精神疾病的患者或是其他的狀況那像這樣子的話\n\n11\n00:04:06,323 --> 00:04:06,443\n黃秀芳議員\n\n12\n00:04:27,543 --> 00:04:48,959\n一方面可能我們衛福部也要去討論一下為什麼這幾年的這個自殺率是這樣子逐年在攀升的那另外一方面可能我們每一次碰到事情之後可能這個在捷運上的殺人事件啊或者是在馬路上就可能被這個無緣無故就被殺或被刺啊類似這樣的一個狀況那怎麼樣做預防\n\n13\n00:05:10,517 --> 00:05:34,044\n前陣子那個桃園龜山那個強拉幼童的這個事件那我沒有聽到我也沒有看到就是衛福部針對這個事件後續我們要怎麼去做預防或者是你們有什麼樣的回應我是在網路上在媒體上我是完全沒有看到衛福部針對這件事情有做什麼樣的回應我是不是可以先請那個部長先做簡單的回答\n\n14\n00:05:35,253 --> 00:05:56,842\n因為第一個我們很小心在精神病的汙名化這件事情其實媒體有時候或警方所提出來的那個並不是實際上他的病況他應該不是屬於精神病他是和中度智能\n\n15\n00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:12,808\n所以我們也是擔心就會變成一個障礙的歧視所以我們就是很小心按照法律來處理當然我們一定是去請地方政府馬上啟動社工\n\n16\n00:06:15,829 --> 00:06:15,950\n其實我\n\n17\n00:06:31,047 --> 00:06:49,161\n每次這個事件發生之後比如是在立法院或在媒體上面我們看到會有一些很多的一個檢討的聲音那有時候立法院會因為一件事情發生之後就覺得說哪一個法還不完備然後就是又要啟動修法當然我們會認為就是說可能預防會更重要那其實\n\n18\n00:06:55,626 --> 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從早上到現在委員都非常的關心就是有關我們社區精神病患的照護優化的狀況我們在這幾年當中我們也修了一個精神衛生法強化了社會安全網\n首先我們非常感謝我們\n市長簡單簡要報告\n各位委員報告我們目前社區心理衛生中心全國設置合計是52點那我們的心衛中心會禁用各類的人力包含我們的心衛社工關懷訪視員還有這個心理師職能治療師跟護理師到目前為止52個點裡面我們禁用的專業人力大概1400多人\n我們預計到明年年底能夠補就是增加到2400多人所以大概還有1000人左右的差距那據點呢?據點52個據點其實根本是不夠的是,我們明年希望能夠增加到71點是,那你們現在有是各縣市就是由各縣市這邊還是由我們這個衛福部各縣市政府各縣市政府這邊自己提出來\n有沒有?\n跟委員報告因為我們社區心衛中心其實他是我們服務的對象不是只有精神病人其實他是一般民眾也有服務所以說我們是我們跟地方政府這邊我們是把我們的社區心衛中心當作類似像我們心理的衛生所的概念就是希望說民眾他可以就是走進去不會有任何的心理上面的一個負擔\n黃秀芳議員\n黃秀芳議員\n所以剛剛有委員提到就是說我們這個青少年自殺或者是自殺率逐年在這個攀升當中或者是我們可能有一些這個像前陣子桃園的一個案例就是說這個在路上把一個女童這樣抓住的這種類似這樣的一個狀況也許她可能是一個這個精神疾病的患者或是其他的狀況那像這樣子的話\n黃秀芳議員\n一方面可能我們衛福部也要去討論一下為什麼這幾年的這個自殺率是這樣子逐年在攀升的那另外一方面可能我們每一次碰到事情之後可能這個在捷運上的殺人事件啊或者是在馬路上就可能被這個無緣無故就被殺或被刺啊類似這樣的一個狀況那怎麼樣做預防\n響鐘響鐘\n前陣子那個桃園龜山那個強拉幼童的這個事件那我沒有聽到我也沒有看到就是衛福部針對這個事件後續我們要怎麼去做預防或者是你們有什麼樣的回應我是在網路上在媒體上我是完全沒有看到衛福部針對這件事情有做什麼樣的回應我是不是可以先請那個部長先做簡單的回答\n因為第一個我們很小心在精神病的汙名化這件事情其實媒體有時候或警方所提出來的那個並不是實際上他的病況他應該不是屬於精神病他是和中度智能\n所以我們也是擔心就會變成一個障礙的歧視所以我們就是很小心按照法律來處理當然我們一定是去請地方政府馬上啟動社工\n其實我\n每次這個事件發生之後比如是在立法院或在媒體上面我們看到會有一些很多的一個檢討的聲音那有時候立法院會因為一件事情發生之後就覺得說哪一個法還不完備然後就是又要啟動修法當然我們會認為就是說可能預防會更重要那其實\n法律的在完整在完備其實還是有它一些不足的地方或者是隨時要發生事情也是沒辦法去就是有時候是很難去預防那當然就是我們要怎麼從這個預防的角度或者是從這個家庭教育的這個角度然後去切入我覺得有時候我們看到這個發生事情\n黃秀芳\n我更認為就是說也許在這個家庭教育或者是在這個教育上面可能也是要著重蠻多的所以我也希望就是說衛福部針對這一部分可能也還需要結合我們這個地方政府結合這個教育單位大家一起來努力什麼讓這個事情不要發生或者是萬一如果不幸發生之後那後續要怎麼去做檢討怎麼去做\n是,了解。我們\n本部將會同教育部從學校跟社會教育層面那個強化心理的健康提升民眾的心理韌性這個在健康台灣裡面也會列為一個很重要的SEL的一個\n黃秀芳\n謝謝黃委員 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.131 --> 00:05.032\n謝謝主席我們請部長部長好從早上到現在委員都非常的關心就是有關我們社區精神病患的照護優化的狀況我們在這幾年當中我們也修了一個精神衛生法強化了社會安全網\n\n00:29.747 --> 00:30.327\n首先我們非常感謝我們\n\n00:56.252 --> 00:56.572\n市長簡單簡要報告\n\n01:15.666 --> 01:26.711\n各位委員報告我們目前社區心理衛生中心全國設置合計是52點那我們的心衛中心會禁用各類的人力包含我們的心衛社工關懷訪視員還有這個心理師職能治療師跟護理師到目前為止52個點裡面我們禁用的專業人力大概1400多人\n\n01:35.655 --> 02:00.137\n我們預計到明年年底能夠補就是增加到2400多人所以大概還有1000人左右的差距那據點呢?據點52個據點其實根本是不夠的是,我們明年希望能夠增加到71點是,那你們現在有是各縣市就是由各縣市這邊還是由我們這個衛福部各縣市政府各縣市政府這邊自己提出來\n\n02:01.158 --> 02:01.558\n有沒有?\n\n02:30.669 --> 02:53.738\n跟委員報告因為我們社區心衛中心其實他是我們服務的對象不是只有精神病人其實他是一般民眾也有服務所以說我們是我們跟地方政府這邊我們是把我們的社區心衛中心當作類似像我們心理的衛生所的概念就是希望說民眾他可以就是走進去不會有任何的心理上面的一個負擔\n\n02:54.138 --> 02:54.178\n黃秀芳議員\n\n03:09.978 --> 03:10.158\n黃秀芳議員\n\n03:39.958 --> 04:05.603\n所以剛剛有委員提到就是說我們這個青少年自殺或者是自殺率逐年在這個攀升當中或者是我們可能有一些這個像前陣子桃園的一個案例就是說這個在路上把一個女童這樣抓住的這種類似這樣的一個狀況也許她可能是一個這個精神疾病的患者或是其他的狀況那像這樣子的話\n\n04:06.323 --> 04:06.443\n黃秀芳議員\n\n04:27.543 --> 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