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00:02:17,368\n以上報告。\n\n9\n00:02:34,565 --> 00:03:02,150\n好那薑黃粉的話現在國內其實運用的蠻普遍的喔特別是在咖哩那咖哩的那個產品又非常的多你們現在發現的是從印度進來的這一批那請問我們薑黃粉有沒有從其他國家進口的只有印度嗎會不會又有漏網之魚因為之前你們查辣椒粉的時候逐批檢驗是對岸中國大陸那現在又出來薑黃粉\n\n10\n00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:20,280\n有蘇丹紅是從印度但是只有印度這個國家嗎那你們現在採取的措施是要逐批檢驗嗎來自印度的那其他國家會不會有別的薑黃粉流入你們現在掌握到的從其他國家進來的薑黃粉還有哪些國家\n\n11\n00:03:22,162 --> 00:03:22,662\n所以表示有漏網之魚流入市場嗎?對不對?\n\n12\n00:03:47,839 --> 00:03:56,609\n到底我問你一個問題蘇丹紅他可以衍生的添加的到底有哪一些的調味粉之前說是辣椒粉現在連薑黃粉也可以到底還有什麼種類\n\n13\n00:04:00,575 --> 00:04:29,217\n各位委員報告目前國際警訊上面有的我們都已經設了包括辣椒粉、咖哩粉這些都有我們是把過去10年國際上曾經有檢出疑似有蘇丹色素違規的項目在邊境都設立查驗那當然一開始是百分之百那驗了大概半年多以後結果都沒有發現有的我們就會回歸到風險的管理那這一次\n\n14\n00:04:29,957 --> 00:04:58,266\n印度確實是當時在年初的時候因為國內都沒發現國際也沒有所以我們是沒有拉到最高的百分之百那這一次在後市場發現我們回饋到邊境從明天開始就會百分之百明天開始百分之百的抽驗那我問你現在已經在市場上面的你還有繼續去抽樣嗎我高度懷疑的是之前流進來的因為之前沒有百分之百嘛\n\n15\n00:04:58,706 --> 00:04:59,006\n王育敏議員\n\n16\n00:05:15,831 --> 00:05:31,084\n各位報告只要確定是薑黃粉的話我們就會比照今年年初的做法會去全面清查只要是在後市場還在校期內的我們就會去清查會比照年初的做法你們多久會完成這項工作\n\n17\n00:05:32,789 --> 00:05:51,619\n跟我們報告其實蘇丹社是今年發生以來我們邊境是由食藥署負責後市場跟衛生局都沒有停都是持續在查持續在查對都沒有停所以才會發現有這一批但是但是代表說也沒有斷就是說你們的查算沒有停你們當時信誓旦旦是說\n\n18\n00:05:52,719 --> 00:06:16,050\n整個市場都很乾淨了然後外面也阻絕於境外結果就是破工現在看起來就不是這麼回事所以我要求這個食藥署在這件事情上面你們查緝的力道其實還是要很強的包括你們抽菸的比例其實還要增加因為這關乎食安要不然你們的保證大家就沒有信心了你們上半年信誓旦旦的保證現在又爆出而且這個數量還是蠻龐大的你說五千多件\n\n19\n00:06:20,852 --> 00:06:22,473\n我們今年的主結是應該是完全主結的那就是可能\n\n20\n00:06:49,232 --> 00:06:49,932\n接下來我問是今天的有關於\n\n21\n00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:06,620\n王育敏議員\n\n22\n00:07:28,210 --> 00:07:56,193\n兩千七百一十八人服務率只有兩趴多那像嘉義縣這種資源比較高度匱乏的地方他連一家在地的協會都沒有還是靠嘉義市的那這樣子的一個情況底下你說你所有的服務要回歸社區然後要做得很好怎麼做你你基本的服務量能就完全不夠啊而且你還有這個縣市資源落差的問題像嘉義縣這樣的一個地方連協會都沒有啊\n\n23\n00:07:56,974 --> 00:08:20,791\n那請問要怎麼提供服務謝謝委員關切就是說我們社區的這個精神病人服務的資源相對不足這一帶那其實我們除了我們爭取經費來補助民間團體可以來增加精神病人社區支持資源之外其實我們也在關切能夠提供這樣的服務的團體並不多\n\n24\n00:08:22,332 --> 00:08:45,347\n所以我們透過公財回饋這邊我們有一個團體的一個培力計畫我們希望能夠有一些團體目前沒有在提供精神病人的社區支持服務我們希望能夠來培力他可以提供這種服務所以我們是同步在進行一方面那你們目前響應的有多少人你們有沒有針對資源匱乏就像我講的嘉義縣連一家都沒有有在你們重點的培養嗎\n\n25\n00:08:46,668 --> 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通通都清完畢了沒想到現在蘇丹紅食安風暴又再起而且又是同一家公司寄生公司請問你們查到目前為止你們查到的真相到底是什麼為什麼現在咖哩粉裡面又有蘇丹紅又爆發出來了\n63180\t80104\t我先解釋一下,這個我們當時就阻絕於境外。對,逐批查驗。阻絕境外怎麼還會流進來?據我了解是因為原來在阻絕之前的原料。是不是我們請副署長。好,來副署長。跟委員報告,這一次\n87662\t94877\t就是我們食藥署跟地方衛生局持續在後市場都沒有停的在查核那查核的\n96272\t117415\t結果這一次是寄生的特調咖哩粉那他做的產品5000多盒現在回收了1700多盒那基本上原物料目前都在我們食藥署的國家實驗室做再次的確認那初步懷疑是他的其中一個原料\n118436\t119056\t王育敏\n137088\t137368\t以上報告。\n154565\t182150\t好那薑黃粉的話現在國內其實運用的蠻普遍的喔特別是在咖哩那咖哩的那個產品又非常的多你們現在發現的是從印度進來的這一批那請問我們薑黃粉有沒有從其他國家進口的只有印度嗎會不會又有漏網之魚因為之前你們查辣椒粉的時候逐批檢驗是對岸中國大陸那現在又出來薑黃粉\n183850\t200280\t有蘇丹紅是從印度但是只有印度這個國家嗎那你們現在採取的措施是要逐批檢驗嗎來自印度的那其他國家會不會有別的薑黃粉流入你們現在掌握到的從其他國家進來的薑黃粉還有哪些國家\n202162\t202662\t所以表示有漏網之魚流入市場嗎?對不對?\n227839\t236609\t到底我問你一個問題蘇丹紅他可以衍生的添加的到底有哪一些的調味粉之前說是辣椒粉現在連薑黃粉也可以到底還有什麼種類\n240575\t269217\t各位委員報告目前國際警訊上面有的我們都已經設了包括辣椒粉、咖哩粉這些都有我們是把過去10年國際上曾經有檢出疑似有蘇丹色素違規的項目在邊境都設立查驗那當然一開始是百分之百那驗了大概半年多以後結果都沒有發現有的我們就會回歸到風險的管理那這一次\n269957\t298266\t印度確實是當時在年初的時候因為國內都沒發現國際也沒有所以我們是沒有拉到最高的百分之百那這一次在後市場發現我們回饋到邊境從明天開始就會百分之百明天開始百分之百的抽驗那我問你現在已經在市場上面的你還有繼續去抽樣嗎我高度懷疑的是之前流進來的因為之前沒有百分之百嘛\n298706\t299006\t王育敏議員\n315831\t331084\t各位報告只要確定是薑黃粉的話我們就會比照今年年初的做法會去全面清查只要是在後市場還在校期內的我們就會去清查會比照年初的做法你們多久會完成這項工作\n332789\t351619\t跟我們報告其實蘇丹社是今年發生以來我們邊境是由食藥署負責後市場跟衛生局都沒有停都是持續在查持續在查對都沒有停所以才會發現有這一批但是但是代表說也沒有斷就是說你們的查算沒有停你們當時信誓旦旦是說\n352719\t376050\t整個市場都很乾淨了然後外面也阻絕於境外結果就是破工現在看起來就不是這麼回事所以我要求這個食藥署在這件事情上面你們查緝的力道其實還是要很強的包括你們抽菸的比例其實還要增加因為這關乎食安要不然你們的保證大家就沒有信心了你們上半年信誓旦旦的保證現在又爆出而且這個數量還是蠻龐大的你說五千多件\n380852\t382473\t我們今年的主結是應該是完全主結的那就是可能\n409232\t409932\t接下來我問是今天的有關於\n426480\t426620\t王育敏議員\n448210\t476193\t兩千七百一十八人服務率只有兩趴多那像嘉義縣這種資源比較高度匱乏的地方他連一家在地的協會都沒有還是靠嘉義市的那這樣子的一個情況底下你說你所有的服務要回歸社區然後要做得很好怎麼做你你基本的服務量能就完全不夠啊而且你還有這個縣市資源落差的問題像嘉義縣這樣的一個地方連協會都沒有啊\n476974\t500791\t那請問要怎麼提供服務謝謝委員關切就是說我們社區的這個精神病人服務的資源相對不足這一帶那其實我們除了我們爭取經費來補助民間團體可以來增加精神病人社區支持資源之外其實我們也在關切能夠提供這樣的服務的團體並不多\n502332\t525347\t所以我們透過公財回饋這邊我們有一個團體的一個培力計畫我們希望能夠有一些團體目前沒有在提供精神病人的社區支持服務我們希望能夠來培力他可以提供這種服務所以我們是同步在進行一方面那你們目前響應的有多少人你們有沒有針對資源匱乏就像我講的嘉義縣連一家都沒有有在你們重點的培養嗎\n526668\t544564\t有的,因為我們目前...他目前培養出幾家嘉義縣?嘉義縣目前有兩家,一個是...都是嘉義市康復自由協會,但是是提供兩個方案,但是我們會持續的來做其他...這樣的量能是顯然不夠的啊,嘉義縣就有超過萬名的精神病友耶。是,是。\n545885\t571334\t那這樣子極度匱乏的區域我要知道是說那你們的強化措施是什麼要不然這個其實縣市資源充足的比如說首都這麼多的團體這麼多的資源那他會得到很好的照顧那像嘉義縣資源這麼匱乏的地方那他就顯得他可能有需求但是沒有人可以來服務啊你們要怎麼去平衡那個城鄉的落差這個可能是重點嗎\n572034\t595926\t是沒有錯齁其實我們做團體的一個賠利齁我們並不是說只有補助給團體請他們來做這件事情我們有一個專門的團隊去輔導我們的團體因為時間的關係喔部長我要求齁這個衛福部必須去盤點我今天已經具體指出來了像嘉義縣它就是嚴重資源匱乏的地方連一家的服務的協會都沒有你們要去盤點那你們如果說有輔導的計畫\n601129\t601189\t王育敏\n","txt":"法定人數不足\n蘇丹紅時安風暴再起,到目前為止有查清楚是什麼原因了嗎?我這邊有列出來,當時上半年的時候發生蘇丹紅事件,你們在3月13號的時候已經宣布邊境管制的措施而且要阻絕於境外。\n之前你們也說這個後市場通通都清乾淨了 通通都清完畢了沒想到現在蘇丹紅食安風暴又再起而且又是同一家公司寄生公司請問你們查到目前為止你們查到的真相到底是什麼為什麼現在咖哩粉裡面又有蘇丹紅又爆發出來了\n我先解釋一下,這個我們當時就阻絕於境外。對,逐批查驗。阻絕境外怎麼還會流進來?據我了解是因為原來在阻絕之前的原料。是不是我們請副署長。好,來副署長。跟委員報告,這一次\n就是我們食藥署跟地方衛生局持續在後市場都沒有停的在查核那查核的\n結果這一次是寄生的特調咖哩粉那他做的產品5000多盒現在回收了1700多盒那基本上原物料目前都在我們食藥署的國家實驗室做再次的確認那初步懷疑是他的其中一個原料\n王育敏\n以上報告。\n好那薑黃粉的話現在國內其實運用的蠻普遍的喔特別是在咖哩那咖哩的那個產品又非常的多你們現在發現的是從印度進來的這一批那請問我們薑黃粉有沒有從其他國家進口的只有印度嗎會不會又有漏網之魚因為之前你們查辣椒粉的時候逐批檢驗是對岸中國大陸那現在又出來薑黃粉\n有蘇丹紅是從印度但是只有印度這個國家嗎那你們現在採取的措施是要逐批檢驗嗎來自印度的那其他國家會不會有別的薑黃粉流入你們現在掌握到的從其他國家進來的薑黃粉還有哪些國家\n所以表示有漏網之魚流入市場嗎?對不對?\n到底我問你一個問題蘇丹紅他可以衍生的添加的到底有哪一些的調味粉之前說是辣椒粉現在連薑黃粉也可以到底還有什麼種類\n各位委員報告目前國際警訊上面有的我們都已經設了包括辣椒粉、咖哩粉這些都有我們是把過去10年國際上曾經有檢出疑似有蘇丹色素違規的項目在邊境都設立查驗那當然一開始是百分之百那驗了大概半年多以後結果都沒有發現有的我們就會回歸到風險的管理那這一次\n印度確實是當時在年初的時候因為國內都沒發現國際也沒有所以我們是沒有拉到最高的百分之百那這一次在後市場發現我們回饋到邊境從明天開始就會百分之百明天開始百分之百的抽驗那我問你現在已經在市場上面的你還有繼續去抽樣嗎我高度懷疑的是之前流進來的因為之前沒有百分之百嘛\n王育敏議員\n各位報告只要確定是薑黃粉的話我們就會比照今年年初的做法會去全面清查只要是在後市場還在校期內的我們就會去清查會比照年初的做法你們多久會完成這項工作\n跟我們報告其實蘇丹社是今年發生以來我們邊境是由食藥署負責後市場跟衛生局都沒有停都是持續在查持續在查對都沒有停所以才會發現有這一批但是但是代表說也沒有斷就是說你們的查算沒有停你們當時信誓旦旦是說\n整個市場都很乾淨了然後外面也阻絕於境外結果就是破工現在看起來就不是這麼回事所以我要求這個食藥署在這件事情上面你們查緝的力道其實還是要很強的包括你們抽菸的比例其實還要增加因為這關乎食安要不然你們的保證大家就沒有信心了你們上半年信誓旦旦的保證現在又爆出而且這個數量還是蠻龐大的你說五千多件\n我們今年的主結是應該是完全主結的那就是可能\n接下來我問是今天的有關於\n王育敏議員\n兩千七百一十八人服務率只有兩趴多那像嘉義縣這種資源比較高度匱乏的地方他連一家在地的協會都沒有還是靠嘉義市的那這樣子的一個情況底下你說你所有的服務要回歸社區然後要做得很好怎麼做你你基本的服務量能就完全不夠啊而且你還有這個縣市資源落差的問題像嘉義縣這樣的一個地方連協會都沒有啊\n那請問要怎麼提供服務謝謝委員關切就是說我們社區的這個精神病人服務的資源相對不足這一帶那其實我們除了我們爭取經費來補助民間團體可以來增加精神病人社區支持資源之外其實我們也在關切能夠提供這樣的服務的團體並不多\n所以我們透過公財回饋這邊我們有一個團體的一個培力計畫我們希望能夠有一些團體目前沒有在提供精神病人的社區支持服務我們希望能夠來培力他可以提供這種服務所以我們是同步在進行一方面那你們目前響應的有多少人你們有沒有針對資源匱乏就像我講的嘉義縣連一家都沒有有在你們重點的培養嗎\n有的,因為我們目前...他目前培養出幾家嘉義縣?嘉義縣目前有兩家,一個是...都是嘉義市康復自由協會,但是是提供兩個方案,但是我們會持續的來做其他...這樣的量能是顯然不夠的啊,嘉義縣就有超過萬名的精神病友耶。是,是。\n那這樣子極度匱乏的區域我要知道是說那你們的強化措施是什麼要不然這個其實縣市資源充足的比如說首都這麼多的團體這麼多的資源那他會得到很好的照顧那像嘉義縣資源這麼匱乏的地方那他就顯得他可能有需求但是沒有人可以來服務啊你們要怎麼去平衡那個城鄉的落差這個可能是重點嗎\n是沒有錯齁其實我們做團體的一個賠利齁我們並不是說只有補助給團體請他們來做這件事情我們有一個專門的團隊去輔導我們的團體因為時間的關係喔部長我要求齁這個衛福部必須去盤點我今天已經具體指出來了像嘉義縣它就是嚴重資源匱乏的地方連一家的服務的協會都沒有你們要去盤點那你們如果說有輔導的計畫\n王育敏\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.297 --> 00:06.798\n法定人數不足\n\n00:16.306 --> 00:35.784\n蘇丹紅時安風暴再起,到目前為止有查清楚是什麼原因了嗎?我這邊有列出來,當時上半年的時候發生蘇丹紅事件,你們在3月13號的時候已經宣布邊境管制的措施而且要阻絕於境外。\n\n00:36.545 --> 01:01.161\n之前你們也說這個後市場通通都清乾淨了通通都清完畢了沒想到現在蘇丹紅食安風暴又再起而且又是同一家公司寄生公司請問你們查到目前為止你們查到的真相到底是什麼為什麼現在咖哩粉裡面又有蘇丹紅又爆發出來了\n\n01:03.180 --> 01:20.104\n我先解釋一下,這個我們當時就阻絕於境外。對,逐批查驗。阻絕境外怎麼還會流進來?據我了解是因為原來在阻絕之前的原料。是不是我們請副署長。好,來副署長。跟委員報告,這一次\n\n01:27.662 --> 01:34.877\n就是我們食藥署跟地方衛生局持續在後市場都沒有停的在查核那查核的\n\n01:36.272 --> 01:57.415\n結果這一次是寄生的特調咖哩粉那他做的產品5000多盒現在回收了1700多盒那基本上原物料目前都在我們食藥署的國家實驗室做再次的確認那初步懷疑是他的其中一個原料\n\n01:58.436 --> 01:59.056\n王育敏\n\n02:17.088 --> 02:17.368\n以上報告。\n\n02:34.565 --> 03:02.150\n好那薑黃粉的話現在國內其實運用的蠻普遍的喔特別是在咖哩那咖哩的那個產品又非常的多你們現在發現的是從印度進來的這一批那請問我們薑黃粉有沒有從其他國家進口的只有印度嗎會不會又有漏網之魚因為之前你們查辣椒粉的時候逐批檢驗是對岸中國大陸那現在又出來薑黃粉\n\n03:03.850 --> 03:20.280\n有蘇丹紅是從印度但是只有印度這個國家嗎那你們現在採取的措施是要逐批檢驗嗎來自印度的那其他國家會不會有別的薑黃粉流入你們現在掌握到的從其他國家進來的薑黃粉還有哪些國家\n\n03:22.162 --> 03:22.662\n所以表示有漏網之魚流入市場嗎?對不對?\n\n03:47.839 --> 03:56.609\n到底我問你一個問題蘇丹紅他可以衍生的添加的到底有哪一些的調味粉之前說是辣椒粉現在連薑黃粉也可以到底還有什麼種類\n\n04:00.575 --> 04:29.217\n各位委員報告目前國際警訊上面有的我們都已經設了包括辣椒粉、咖哩粉這些都有我們是把過去10年國際上曾經有檢出疑似有蘇丹色素違規的項目在邊境都設立查驗那當然一開始是百分之百那驗了大概半年多以後結果都沒有發現有的我們就會回歸到風險的管理那這一次\n\n04:29.957 --> 04:58.266\n印度確實是當時在年初的時候因為國內都沒發現國際也沒有所以我們是沒有拉到最高的百分之百那這一次在後市場發現我們回饋到邊境從明天開始就會百分之百明天開始百分之百的抽驗那我問你現在已經在市場上面的你還有繼續去抽樣嗎我高度懷疑的是之前流進來的因為之前沒有百分之百嘛\n\n04:58.706 --> 04:59.006\n王育敏議員\n\n05:15.831 --> 05:31.084\n各位報告只要確定是薑黃粉的話我們就會比照今年年初的做法會去全面清查只要是在後市場還在校期內的我們就會去清查會比照年初的做法你們多久會完成這項工作\n\n05:32.789 --> 05:51.619\n跟我們報告其實蘇丹社是今年發生以來我們邊境是由食藥署負責後市場跟衛生局都沒有停都是持續在查持續在查對都沒有停所以才會發現有這一批但是但是代表說也沒有斷就是說你們的查算沒有停你們當時信誓旦旦是說\n\n05:52.719 --> 06:16.050\n整個市場都很乾淨了然後外面也阻絕於境外結果就是破工現在看起來就不是這麼回事所以我要求這個食藥署在這件事情上面你們查緝的力道其實還是要很強的包括你們抽菸的比例其實還要增加因為這關乎食安要不然你們的保證大家就沒有信心了你們上半年信誓旦旦的保證現在又爆出而且這個數量還是蠻龐大的你說五千多件\n\n06:20.852 --> 06:22.473\n我們今年的主結是應該是完全主結的那就是可能\n\n06:49.232 --> 06:49.932\n接下來我問是今天的有關於\n\n07:06.480 --> 07:06.620\n王育敏議員\n\n07:28.210 --> 07:56.193\n兩千七百一十八人服務率只有兩趴多那像嘉義縣這種資源比較高度匱乏的地方他連一家在地的協會都沒有還是靠嘉義市的那這樣子的一個情況底下你說你所有的服務要回歸社區然後要做得很好怎麼做你你基本的服務量能就完全不夠啊而且你還有這個縣市資源落差的問題像嘉義縣這樣的一個地方連協會都沒有啊\n\n07:56.974 --> 08:20.791\n那請問要怎麼提供服務謝謝委員關切就是說我們社區的這個精神病人服務的資源相對不足這一帶那其實我們除了我們爭取經費來補助民間團體可以來增加精神病人社區支持資源之外其實我們也在關切能夠提供這樣的服務的團體並不多\n\n08:22.332 --> 08:45.347\n所以我們透過公財回饋這邊我們有一個團體的一個培力計畫我們希望能夠有一些團體目前沒有在提供精神病人的社區支持服務我們希望能夠來培力他可以提供這種服務所以我們是同步在進行一方面那你們目前響應的有多少人你們有沒有針對資源匱乏就像我講的嘉義縣連一家都沒有有在你們重點的培養嗎\n\n08:46.668 --> 09:04.564\n有的,因為我們目前...他目前培養出幾家嘉義縣?嘉義縣目前有兩家,一個是...都是嘉義市康復自由協會,但是是提供兩個方案,但是我們會持續的來做其他...這樣的量能是顯然不夠的啊,嘉義縣就有超過萬名的精神病友耶。是,是。\n\n09:05.885 --> 09:31.334\n那這樣子極度匱乏的區域我要知道是說那你們的強化措施是什麼要不然這個其實縣市資源充足的比如說首都這麼多的團體這麼多的資源那他會得到很好的照顧那像嘉義縣資源這麼匱乏的地方那他就顯得他可能有需求但是沒有人可以來服務啊你們要怎麼去平衡那個城鄉的落差這個可能是重點嗎\n\n09:32.034 --> 09:55.926\n是沒有錯齁其實我們做團體的一個賠利齁我們並不是說只有補助給團體請他們來做這件事情我們有一個專門的團隊去輔導我們的團體因為時間的關係喔部長我要求齁這個衛福部必須去盤點我今天已經具體指出來了像嘉義縣它就是嚴重資源匱乏的地方連一家的服務的協會都沒有你們要去盤點那你們如果說有輔導的計畫\n\n10:01.129 --> 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完全阻絕了，那就是可能……"],["林副署長金富：邊境都百分之百有阻絕住，沒有進來，這一批是去年進來的。"],["王委員育敏：漏網之魚嘛！代表你們說市場要清空，其實是沒有完全清空，這是食安問題，這個部分我要求你們要好好徹查，好不好？","接下來我要問的是有關於精神病患相關資源量能的問題。部長你看一下，現在領有精障手冊者總共有11萬餘人，你們說要讓病友回歸社區，這很好，但是看看整體服務量能，你們現在才服務了2,718人，服務率只有2%多，像嘉義縣這種資源高度匱乏的地方，連一家在地協會都沒有，還要靠嘉義市協助，在這樣的情況下，你說所有的服務要回歸社區，然後要做得很好，請問怎麼做？你們基本的服務量能完全不夠，而且還有縣市資源落差的問題，像嘉義縣這樣地方連協會都沒有，請問要怎麼提供服務？"],["邱部長泰源：請司長回答。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：謝謝委員關切，有關社區精神病人服務資源相對不足這一塊，其實我們除了爭取經費補助民間團體，以增加精神病人社區支持資源之外，也關切到能夠提供這樣服務的團體並不多，所以透過公彩回饋金，我們有一個團體培力計畫，針對一些目前沒有提供精神病人社區支持服務的團體，希望藉由我們的培力，讓他們也可以提供這種服務，所以我們是同步在進行，一方面培力……"],["王委員育敏：目前響應的有多少人？你們有沒有針對資源匱乏區，像我舉例的連一家都沒有的嘉義縣，你們有重點培養嗎？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：有的，因為我們目前……"],["王委員育敏：嘉義縣目前培養出幾家？"],["鄭代理司長淑心：嘉義縣目前有兩家，都是嘉義市康復之友協會提供的兩個方案，但是我們會持續來做其他的……"],["王委員育敏：這樣的量能顯然是不夠的，嘉義縣就有超過萬名的精神病友。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：是，是，的確是不夠。"],["王委員育敏：針對這種極度匱乏的區域，我要知道你們的強化措施是什麼？其實有一些資源充足的縣市，譬如首都就有很多團體、很多資源，他們就可以得到很好的照顧；但像嘉義縣資源這麼匱乏的地方，顯然就是有需求，但卻沒有人可以來服務，你們要怎麼去平衡這樣的城鄉落差？這個可能是重點。"],["鄭代理司長淑心：是，沒有錯，其實我們做團體培力並不是只是補助經費給團體、請他們來做這件事情，我們有一個專門的團隊去輔導這些團體來做這樣的服務。"],["王委員育敏：好，因為時間的關係，部長，我要求衛福部必須去盤點，我今天已經把問題具體指出來了，像嘉義縣就是嚴重資源匱乏的地方，連一家服務的協會都沒有……"],["邱部長泰源：是，這的確是要加強，要加強。"],["王委員育敏：對，你們要去盤點，你說你們有輔導計畫，我要求要看到輔導的成效，而且服務的量能要有效的成長跟提供，要不然我覺得對於在嘉義縣的這些精神病友而言，是非常不公平的，你們計畫寫得很好看，但他們卻得不到資源，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：瞭解。"],["王委員育敏：一個月之後，可不可以把你們具體想要改善的計畫給本席，好不好？怎麼樣去提升？"],["邱部長泰源：可以。"],["王委員育敏：可以？好，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝王委員，謝謝部長。","繼續我們請劉建國委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":272,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-7","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","廖偉翔","邱鎮軍","涂權吉","王正旭","鍾佳濱","林國成","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","賴士葆","黃秀芳","陳雪生","王育敏","劉建國","牛煦庭","楊曜","陳瑩","黃國昌","盧縣一"],"page_start":199,"meetingDate":["2024-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1139301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139301_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案1案；二、邀\n請衛生福利部部長針對「社區精神病患照護優化」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139301_00003"}}}