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00:01:52,207\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司\n\n7\n00:02:12,093 --> 00:02:21,158\n部長剛才您特別講事實上我們的觀光目標人數今年本來1200萬然後現在降到1000萬一度講到750萬但是我剛才看你你又講到800萬\n\n8\n00:02:27,722 --> 00:02:34,026\n那我覺得這個目標變得非常浮動目標還是在一千萬沒有變過好那我請問一下你剛才講那一千萬如果沒有達到的話因為你當時到了年底你這個部長的時間也當很久了不會像之前你剛當部長我們給你一點這個學習的時間喔那麼如果在今年年底沒有達到一千萬的話請問一下部長你如何自處\n\n9\n00:02:55,657 --> 00:03:06,163\n報告委員第4屆我們的狀況會好一些那當然之前所定下來的目標我們全力在衝刺本來就該衝刺啊所以部長或者署長沒有達1000萬你們該怎麼辦我要講的是現在觀光業苦哈哈\n\n10\n00:03:13,487 --> 00:03:20,209\n你們這個目標自己隨便定隨便調到不到沒有辦法達到就把它變成一千萬然後又變七百五十萬現在好一點把它放到八百萬所以我要問的是你今天如果你在民間的公司你有KPI啊如果好那我問你年底達不到一千萬你自己或者是觀光署署長要不要費負政治責任嗎我們當然要檢討我們當然要檢討你們檢討是怎麼檢討法\n\n11\n00:03:40,458 --> 00:03:55,447\n哪裡做不好就檢討哪裡我要講的是像以前瞻前瞻有很多的觀光計畫的預算我們來看一到四期就是執行到今年年年底\n\n12\n00:03:56,243 --> 00:04:08,635\n你們的執行率都很高喔執行率都很高所以錢都花完了到整個10年到114年度前瞻觀光的建設計費65億以上所以\n\n13\n00:04:11,858 --> 00:04:15,581\n你今天不能告訴我觀光預算花光光然後旅客不來心慌慌啊現在不是我們官員也心慌慌這個數字條來條去然後我們所有的觀光業者心慌慌啊旅客到底在哪裡我只是講務實能達到的狀況我要跟大家報告真實的狀況\n\n14\n00:04:32,856 --> 00:04:36,237\n因為當你喊出1200萬的時候部長啊所以你今天是怪你前面的部長啊訂了1200萬太高了嗎政府當你訂1200萬的時候民間的觀光業者會認為你會全力達到所以不管我的投資不管我的設備甚至我用人\n\n15\n00:04:55,104 --> 00:05:10,352\n結果呢一下變成750萬我算一算變成少4成欸然後說現在啊年底再把它衝一下我要講的就是不要變成錢出去人不來我們現在的觀光部就變這樣嗎錢出去人不來我們要的是人出去錢進來啊對不對\n\n16\n00:05:19,492 --> 00:05:40,912\n現在你這樣的一個整個觀光產業現在要死不活你坐在這邊你可能辛苦的是回答我們這個民意代表的質詢可是很多觀光業者他是生死存亡之戰他可能年底他就要決定他今天要不要結束營業了\n\n17\n00:05:42,413 --> 00:06:04,839\n所以當你的這個目標數字是一再浮動然後沒有任何人可以被檢討啊那我另外請問你們對觀光業者本來來臺灣一個人補助五千塊這個錢是不是已經花光了因為有人已經已經有觀光業者在問我是不是花完了這不是補助五千塊它是一個活動\n\n18\n00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:30,810\n那麼這個預算也是到114年現在是113年還在執行嗎還在執行中而這個所謂的前瞻計畫其實超過80%是硬體設施就像房子舊了老了你要更新就是需要用這個前瞻計畫來做所以啊政府也給你錢立法院也給你錢我剛剛講嘛錢全部都下去了執行階加進百分之百結果呢人不來\n\n19\n00:06:32,151 --> 00:06:34,434\n我要特別提到我們現在臺灣真的應該變成觀光大國我們過去也以觀光為非常非常主要的這麼多的服務業產業是來自於觀光我剛才特別講的現在的觀光產業真的太慘了\n\n20\n00:06:49,551 --> 00:07:13,178\n如果你們可以苦民所苦的話今天就不是在玩這樣的數字遊戲啦好不好所以呢我們會盯到年底喔部長請讓你們大家皮繃緊一點喔大家都在努力對不要以為說答不成算了齁那我們都努力過了不行我覺得如果答不成的話一定要有人負政治責任好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1445\t9034\t好 謝謝主席 我請我們交通部長還有民航局局長請陳部長跟民航局局長好 部長好 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你又講到800萬\n147722\t154026\t那我覺得這個目標變得非常浮動目標還是在一千萬沒有變過好那我請問一下你剛才講那一千萬如果沒有達到的話因為你當時到了年底你這個部長的時間也當很久了不會像之前你剛當部長我們給你一點這個學習的時間喔那麼如果在今年年底沒有達到一千萬的話請問一下部長你如何自處\n175657\t186163\t報告委員第4屆我們的狀況會好一些那當然之前所定下來的目標我們全力在衝刺本來就該衝刺啊所以部長或者署長沒有達1000萬你們該怎麼辦我要講的是現在觀光業苦哈哈\n193487\t200209\t你們這個目標自己隨便定隨便調到不到沒有辦法達到就把它變成一千萬然後又變七百五十萬現在好一點把它放到八百萬所以我要問的是你今天如果你在民間的公司你有KPI啊如果好那我問你年底達不到一千萬你自己或者是觀光署署長要不要費負政治責任嗎我們當然要檢討我們當然要檢討你們檢討是怎麼檢討法\n220458\t235447\t哪裡做不好就檢討哪裡我要講的是像以前瞻前瞻有很多的觀光計畫的預算我們來看一到四期就是執行到今年年年底\n236243\t248635\t你們的執行率都很高喔執行率都很高所以錢都花完了到整個10年到114年度前瞻觀光的建設計費65億以上所以\n251858\t255581\t你今天不能告訴我觀光預算花光光然後旅客不來心慌慌啊現在不是我們官員也心慌慌這個數字條來條去然後我們所有的觀光業者心慌慌啊旅客到底在哪裡我只是講務實能達到的狀況我要跟大家報告真實的狀況\n272856\t276237\t因為當你喊出1200萬的時候部長啊所以你今天是怪你前面的部長啊訂了1200萬太高了嗎政府當你訂1200萬的時候民間的觀光業者會認為你會全力達到所以不管我的投資不管我的設備甚至我用人\n295104\t310352\t結果呢 一下變成750萬 我算一算 變成少4成欸然後說現在啊 年底再把它衝一下我要講的就是 不要變成錢出去人不來我們現在的觀光部就變這樣嗎 錢出去人不來我們要的是 人出去錢進來啊 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