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我都死兩三次\n不過它很像裡面的那個計算的那個補償金的那個規劃的部分有它的一定的公式所以速度才會這麼慢是不是請局長先回答說這個不用回答我已經給你看公式了我們公式我們都知道但我們現在要的是檢討就是說你現在是用17塊乘以最大起重量然後加95塊乘以起飛量減7載這我是知道的但我們希望得到的是一個檢討\n就是說既然已經有補助金然後告訴大家了那就不能用這麼慢的補助方式補助給大家這是我們交通部應該需要檢討的那是不是能夠給我們一個具體的方案來解決這個問題部長能不能夠承諾\n報告委員他目前是針對這個航班的部分航班多班次多他的收取的費用就多然後發給居民的速度就快但是現在航班不是說能夠增加就增加不過計算的公式或許我們可以來檢討一下我們來檢討說計算的公式怎麼樣可以讓他速度再更快一些這個部分我們來討論一下\n好那最後我要問一下這個臺中國際機場的部分那其實像現在剛才很多人都在關心說臺灣的這個旅客數那其實如果說像是臺中國際機場能夠有更多固定的班次跟航班不是用包機的情況的話那或許呢可以提升很多中部的觀光\n像是我對於這個清淨農場非常的在意因為那是我們在國防部這個退伏費的土地那呢南投他們清淨農場在疫情之後他的整個觀光旅客數下降很多所以台中離南投相對近如果能夠有持續的這個包機不是用包機的方式是用定期的定期航班的方式的話可能就可以增加一些旅客尤其我們其實像去年好了我們在國外的這個展覽就有推廣清淨農場\n可是有沒有推廣清淨農場之後他從桃園機場下來要到清淨農場其實老實說對於這一些旅客來說是非常麻煩的所以成效不彰我在國防外交委員會有問過同樣的問題所以我想要拜託因為時間不夠的關係我也想要拜託說未來在這個振興整個台中相關中南部的經濟上面台中機場的航線如果能夠增加更多定期的這個\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.574 --> 00:04.259\n謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長有請陳部長\n\n00:12.028 --> 00:31.487\n部長我先前在擔任市議員的時候是松山區跟新義區的市議員當然在選區劃分上面到立法委員的時期北松山也就是松山機場這一塊劃分出來當然我們還是很關心在整個臺北市裡面包含我過去的選區的問題\n\n00:33.929 --> 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