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00:00:56,633\n那這個也是創下了首次首長要這個這個交通部首次要求縣市來報告改善作為這個都好但是呢我們來討論一個計價的這個計算的方式計算的方式那麼交通部的數據\n\n4\n00:00:58,555 --> 00:01:04,880\n沒有依照內政部內政部的方式是以10萬人為計算基礎導致道路交通事故的結果它會掩蓋掉我們不分哪一個政黨\n\n5\n00:01:14,847 --> 00:01:32,237\n掩蓋掉其中有限市其實如果以內政部的10萬人為基礎呢他是以民進黨執政的臺南他才是真正的六都當中交通死亡的第一情況所以本席要在這邊請教部長\n\n6\n00:01:33,738 --> 00:01:48,473\n也就是我們不希望任何一個縣市有升高也有這樣的現象而且這不分藍綠但是很明顯的我們看出我們深怕的如果以你目前的計算方式跟內政部的計算方式我們怕會有漏網之魚\n\n7\n00:01:51,156 --> 00:02:19,890\n會有落網之魚也就是如果以內政部10萬人為基準的計算方式那台南市會是最嚴肅的那所以本席要強調的就是說這個不分藍綠但是我深怕會跑掉了落網之魚的一個改善期所以本席具體建議是不是全國統一制內政部的方式是以10萬人為基準那請教部長是不是\n\n8\n00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:46,716\n可以去研討我們目前那個交通部所公布的數字是兩個都有您在說的交通部的數字也有那您在說的這個10萬人的數字也有我們是兩邊綜合評估而且我們這兩個數字其實都一樣上網公告在網路上面的公告這兩個數字都有都一樣都會公告所以本期要跟你討論的也就是說如果以10萬人為基礎來做計算那麼台中市它不是最嚴肅的\n\n9\n00:02:47,856 --> 00:02:49,177\n有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署\n\n10\n00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:31,350\n所以我們用的數字會比較側重在行人、道安的部分哪一個方式都是我們重要的所以本席要具體給你建議你是不是應該你交通部跟內政部你們的計算方式你不要讓人民去模糊不一樣你的計算方式是之一那人家內政部公布的方式跟你公布的方式是不一那人民會無所謂所以我具體給你建議你們是不是去討論\n\n11\n00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:46,526\n你們是不是依照像你現在已經在用那麼是不是依照內政部的方式去檢討或許你還有更佳的方式藉著這個機會好好的專案去研討好不好好不好多久時間告訴本席\n\n12\n00:03:51,782 --> 00:03:55,705\n我們一個月以內來討論因為有提出這樣子的意見我們必須要去檢討制度面最重要好不好一個月內來研討本期跟你討論觀光的問題我們截至8月份我們只有496.9萬國際觀光客來臺\n\n13\n00:04:11,898 --> 00:04:40,277\n但是國人出境的是1138.8萬人次所以你的差距是將近2.3倍2.3倍那大家你們也提出觀光署也提出一個什麼呢臺灣觀光100亮點100亮點你的目標是什麼觀光署長你自己講你的目標是什麼你自己講我們就是希望能夠活絡你多少人次你的目標我們的多少人次當然我們國旅的部分是1.9億人次\n\n14\n00:04:43,039 --> 00:04:48,543\n1.9億就將近2億人次你希望創造國際旅客創造出多少的觀光產值\n\n15\n00:04:50,143 --> 00:05:18,197\n是我們希望透過你希望創造多少你的KPI對我們的產值是當時的設定方式是大概記得是700億人次700億你加計光國際旅客部長你聽創造出要8000億以上的觀光產值我已經給你openbook了你自己都講不清楚不好意思我以為你在提什麼不好意思\n\n16\n00:05:18,757 --> 00:05:46,695\n百大亮點的部分部長啊你這個是苦笑啊我告訴你你現在你現在你現在要怎麼樣脫困因為我們國內有一句話說我出來國外比較兇你怎麼協助我們國內的產業你怎麼協助這是嚴肅的議題啊你自己設定的KPI落差那麼大出國跟來我們台灣玩的差了2.3倍那是怎麼辦\n\n17\n00:05:47,899 --> 00:06:06,817\n差距那麼多這個目標還是持續在走啊因為產值的部分是有包括兩個部分一個是旅行業、旅館業跟遊樂區業當然第二個部分才是相關產業包括我們石塑油構型的相關產業包括航空業你當任一級主管你要針對你的結果論去討論現在面對的問題\n\n18\n00:06:12,668 --> 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